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it was another fast-moving newsweek. and here are some of the conversations you just might have missed. m >> it is hard to believe donald trump was elected in the senate, when i was -8 years old. that is true. president biden was elected when i was -8 years old. i'm going to get myself in trouble. >> yeah, you are, because they are both old. oh well. republican congressman, ryan style, in his opening act with donald trump off the rally his f thoughts on tuesday, how did go for you? totally botching an about a joke about president biden a. but by mistake totally making m fun of donald trump's age. we are one week away from the first presidential debate and donald trump appears to be lowering expectations and making excuses. during his rally in wisconsin on tuesday, he pushed the

conspiracy that biden could only perform well if he is pumped up on drugs. >> is anyone going to watch the debate? he's going to be so pumped up, he is going to be pumped up, you know all of that stuff that was missing about a month ago from the white house? what happened? who left it? somebody left it. i wonder, somebody left the laptop in the office of the gentleman who was supposed to fix the laptop from hell, he never picked it up and 70 didn't pick up hundreds of 't thousands of dollars worth of cocaine. i wonder who that might be. i don't know. actually i think it was joe. >> trump also told his followers to be suspicious of the whole debate enterprise. although his campaign negotiated the terms of his participation and agreed. he added that he will be up

against multiple adversaries at once, not just biden, but both of cnn's moderators, who trump's that are incapable of treating them fairly. really? and when it comes to trump's debate preparations he has reportedly been meeting with policy experts and other allies, rather than holding mock debates. republican senators, marco rubio and jd vance have also been in involved in these meetings, great. meanwhile, president biden will be in camp david, according to politico biden's longtime advisor and first chief of stash, ron clean is involved in the sessions. the biden campaign put out a memo claiming the president will go on the offensive and pushed trump to talk about how his three appointees to the supreme court helped to overturn roe v wade and how he could further undermine abortion rights. in a second term. ed loose, your new pieces

entitled the mother of all u.s. presidential debates. what are you expecting? set the scene for us. >> well, the important thing, i think, is that the terms and rules of next week's debate and the ones biden requested, which trump of course needs and feedsu off of, so, that is bad for trump. once the mic gets turned off , ditto. and those commercial breaks, you can see, bathroom breaks. but the interesting thing here is, i think this is going to be one of the few presidential debates, this and the one scheduled for september could sway an election. there has really only been three first budget in 1960 which had a huge impact for those who watched on tv, as opposed to

listening to it on the radio in a very close election. then there's two, when and 76 and one in ford where he got partly from your father's advice and coaching to say there was no soviet control of poland or hungary or czechoslovakia and alienated tons of voters of east european origin in the midwest states. and again, a very close election and finally, losing to reagan, a when all reagan needed to do isd basically turn up and show that he wasn't insane, he wasn't going to start a nuclear war. he did that and he defeated carter. i think this debate, between biden and trump in what is an equally close election to those first two is hugely consequential and skyhigh importance. and there are really sort of two parameters. one is we want not to be talking.

biden once people not to be talking about his age, and he wants people to be talking about trump's character. that is really the goal here. >> so, it is so interesting, sam stein sought donald trump on stage, suggesting that president biden will be on cocaine. to back of the n point i will make here, this individual, this candidate, this convicted felon plays dirty. di he plays ugly, he has done it many times in the past. we could spend the next three and half hours listing his lies. we wouldn't get rsthrough them. he lies like a rock. and gas lights people, and i actually think this could be a very fraught territory for president biden, who-- or any other candidate, who once to have an equal playing field and really debate the issues, and on top of that, this former

president has a number of so- called news networks that will amplify and back up his conspiracies, his gas lighting and his lies. how fraught a territory do you think this is for president biden to step into? >> i guess it just depends on how much cocaine he has. i think it is very fraught in a way that people don't quite appreciate. it is not just because biden himself is facing a lot of critical views on his age and performance, although that, in a way could lower the bar for him, but historically speaking incumbent president who are debating for the first time ba tend to perform poorly. ed is right about consequential debates, historically, but i would add one into the mix that almost was historical in nature and that was barack obama's first debate, mid-romney, where barack d-came out and fell on h face. it gave an incredible amount of momentum to romney's campaign that romney used accountable the polls it could've ended up

very differently, potentially. joe biden, this will be his first debate, he has not sat for that many adversarial interviews, which are good prep work for a debate. he will have intensive debate situations. they are not used to it. he doesn't set for that many adversarial debates, but this is different for biden. that being said, this being parallel is when the two of them met last cycle, in 2020. and that first debate for trump was a disaster. he talked all over biden, he talked over the moderator. he seemed genuinely crazed in the moment. i believe he had covid, which was not great. it is possible simply clears a very low bar set by trump. we

were wrong about the issues of age and stamina. >> that is not great. the diagnosis did not come for a couple more days though. let's bring in this conversation, special correspondent of vanity fair and host of the best politics podcast, she is an and msnbc political analyst. i want you to take us where we can go. it is true, incumbent presidents often struggle, a, they don't have any debates against members of their own party, and they are rarely challenged in the white house ch and oval office, so that is usually an advantage to the challenger. however, in this case, donald trump also sat out the primary process, he didn't do any debates. he doesn't set for adversarial interviews, so he is not going to be sharp either. so this might be too frankly rusty competitors a week from tonight. >> yeah. look.

one of the things donald trump loves to do and has been doing this since he has been running against joe biden's think that joe biden is informed that he is this and he is that and spreads these untruths about joe biden's mental state and then, when he gets up there and gives the state of the union, trump has no answer for that right? because he gives these state of the union addresses, and-- or the last when he gave people were like oh my god, all of the things that donald trump has been saying about him are untrue. so-- and that is why he's trying to lay the groundwork with this idea that he is on cocaine. i mean, this idea is completely crazy, and i think that it just doesn't-- you know, i don't know where it comes from, and i think biden ultimately does benefit from it. >> well, for the first time since october, the latest fox news survey finds biden ahead of trump. 50%-48% among registered voters. although, that two point difference is within the polls margin of error. the new survey marks a three

point swing toward biden from last month at a seven point swing from march. the changes being driven, in large part, by independence who now say the back biden, by nine points, after trump held a two point lead, with the group last month. as for the issues motivating voters, 68% say the future of democracy is quote, extremely important , in deciding who the vote for. that is two points ahead of the economy, which ranks second. the separate noon pool, this ol one, from npr, cbs news and marist college also shows president, joe biden, flipping the script with independent voters, and this survey, biden leads donald trump by two points with independence, 50%-48% after he trailed by 12 points just last month. despite that makeshift, the poll finds the two candidates po tied in the overall race that 49% each, which is essentially the same as last month. that is because, although bideni has made inroads with independence, trump has s expanded his lead with white

voters. but the polls aside, i feel like there are snapshots that people who win the moments. kind of a recent example i can think of is the meeting that donald trump had with ceos. where, maybe they are busy, they are ceos, they are traveling the world, they are tr going on their yachts, you know, and then they sit down with trump, someone they are probably going to vote for and they are like a towel, he is-- that is not even the trump i remembered. that is crazier than i remember. some of them walked away a little unsure they will vote for him. and i just wonder, if you look at this debate the same way, as sort of a reset. i think it will get a large audience. i think people will tune in. could be wrong. but if they do, it could be interesting, because it could be a real first look at trump's brain, and whether it works. whether he knows the issues.

whether he remembers history. whether he can behave in a regulated way. maybe on both of them, but i would say this could be a forced look at trump or a forced new look at trump for a lot of people who may be planning to vote for him. >> yeah. if you get anything like the numbers, the viewership numbers you got for the last debate between biden and trump in 2027, 73 million. this is way higher than the state of the union, by the way. this is by an order of magnitude a way higher exposure. than this election has yet had, it is an enormous number. i am very interested-- i think i am right in saying, certainly the first polls, the first time i have seen voters carrying about the future of democracy being number one on their list of priorities, even above the economy. that suggests independence are really beginning to pay more attention. whether that is

because of the new york case and the publicity that came with that, or just because the calendar-- the clock is ticking, i don't know. but i do feel the more attention that people pay to trump, the harder it is going to be for trump to sustain this lead or even polling. we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break short break deep down, i knew something was wrong. since my fatigue and light-headedness would come and go, i figured it wasn't a big deal.

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>> yeah. well he said he won it before, so that is what donald trump says. i remind folks that joe biden can close to a win in texas. with that being said folks are still trying to make up their mind. i think what donald trump is talking about winning we are actually preparing of the biden administration is investing heavily on officers on the ground the democratic farmer and labor party as well are organized and i am just going to note with your only state in 19 some due to that voted for a democratic candidate every single year. that will happen again this year, but it won't work. so i am really pleased to see the biden voters taking it seriously. wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania are a big piece of it, we will do our job and get it done. but joe biden brings jobs and decency he leaves us for bills to take hold. >> let's talk about something you went through the critical block of tackling here.

what are some of the issues that matter the most to constituents in our state? whether that is things like abortion rights, defense of democracy and also stubbornly high inflation? >> yeah, well i also saw last week the supreme court those decisions do matter, like public safety matters to folks, the idea that they already are banning those things, but inflation are starting to see consumer confidence in that space, we are seeing more construction jobs in minnesota than we have ever seen, we are seeing a re-shoring of mitt minnesota. we have seen investment that we have never seen in decades starting to come in high-tech manufacturing. those things are starting to increase people's psychology about the economy, and i think that is a big piece of it. they just need to keep pounding that i'm that is where i think governors have a big role. we have to deal with weather 12 fires in new mexico are making those drop numbers stay up.

we are the ones benefiting from the biden era's administration, meaning we have the tools finally. i keep hearing that ridiculous comparison, we will be better off. no, we were shacking people and you halls, because of donald trump's incompetency. i think talking about what the incompetent partner looks like at the federal government. >> governor, you recently had a viral moment where you are feeding kids free breakfast. will you talk about the federal expansion there? when it comes to free food for hungry children? >> well, we know that it makes a difference. you know? two decade schoolteacher, we know that they make better learners. but you see the contrast with a democratic governor and democratic governor. when you have free breakfast and lunch, those are policies that the biden-harris government is talking about going nationally, which makes a huge difference. we learned about the pandemic in the child tax credit. we already have one of the lowest numbers. those are things that make a

real difference in people's lives. money back in the pockets of middle-class, policies that are making a difference in our schools. that is a big conference, what you hear from the trump administration rather than grievance and retribution? look. you know? esteemed epidemiologist, donald trump, did nothing during covid, now he is going to solve the middle east crisis and climate change all on the first day? immigration? not going to happen. >> right. >> and members of congress spending time and money to show up in his criminal trial. it is all just so productive isn't it? minnesota's democratic governor, tim walz thank you. we really appreciate it. coming up, there's a new push by the surgeon general to include tobacco style warning labels on social media. it begins. you will join us next on morning joe. we will be right back. back. you uncomfortable? good. when you've got type 2 diabetes like me, you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack or worse death. even when meeting your a1c goal.

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are one step closer to banning cell phones. nbc news correspondent, kalie heart a reports. >> reporter: this morning, one of the nation's largest school district joining a growing upward, nationwide, to ban cell phones on campus. >> it passes. >> reporter: board members in the los angeles unified school district passed a resolution, tuesday, that will prevent students from using phones during the entire school day and limit social media use at school for educational purposes only. according to the resolution, excessive cell phone use can increase anxiety and depression among students. stifle meaningful in person interaction, and enable cyber bullying. school board member, will be spearheading the efforts. >> they will be more present, not just with teachers but one another as well. >> the policy would take effect in january, if details on how it will be implemented can be worked out. >> age-appropriate enforcement differentiated by grade level, soap on storage, like locked pouches or lockers command

using technology to block access to social media platforms. high school music teacher, amy louis, says she is skeptical about the potential ban, calling it a drastic shift, not just for students, but teachers as well. >> as long as we have any will any mobile devices, students will always be using it in ways that we might not necessarily want them to. >> reporter: parents reaction? mixed. >> socialize more, like hung out with friends, i don't see that that often anymore. >> reporter: it is different, especially these days now, what is going on. >> reporter: across the country 77% of schools prohibit cell phones at school from nonacademic use. florida became the first state to make public schools phone free. now, at least half a dozen other states are pushing similar legislation. u.s. surgeon general, murphy, calling for congressional action against social media earlier this week. >> a warning label would help parents to understand these risks. >> reporter: now, with los angeles one step closer to the

school policies, students are facing the possibility of schools becoming a phone free zone. >> boy, it makes sense, jean- paul mary, this seems like a no- brainer. kids will say, oh, if i don't like my phone, my parents would be able to get in touch with me in case of emergency. yeah, they will. there's still a phone in the office, there is still a school intercom, you can still be called out of class. again, this is a no-brainer. if you are at school, be at school. don't be on your phone. >> i heard the story and i'm like, this is the best thing to come out of l.a. in decades. it's just like, we all got through it, not for us to see mold, but we all got through school, found out what we needed to know, was able to focus as best we could without phones, like, yeah, he totally seems like a no-brainer. >> all right. and let's bring in right now the u.s. surgeon general, dr. d- back murphy. thank you so much for being

with us. with anxiety, depression, suicidal ideations, and instream cases suicide being connected to cell phone use, smart phone use for our children. talk about the importance of the warning labels that you would put on social media. >> well, thanks so much, joe, it is good to be with you and jen as well. my concern about social media dates back several years now to the conversations we are having around the country with parents and with kids, and the most common question i was getting was about social media. parents wanted to know is this a for my kids? and last year, when i issued an advisory on this topic i concluded two things. one, that social media does not have enough evidence behind it to say that it is safe. so, that question parents are asking, is that safe? the data does not support that

it is, and instead what we are seeing was growing evidence that there were harms, mental health harms associated with social media and are lessened. so, the bottom line is, we have got to do what is ultimately making social media safer and that is why i called congress to take a number of measures to protect kids from harmful content, that is violent and sexual content, bullying, harassment online, but also protect them from features that would seek to manipulate their developing brains into excessive use. you know, right now the average amount of use per day among adolescents is 4.8 hours of social media, and we see in the data that adolescents who are using three hours more per day face a doubling of risk, when it comes to anxiety and depression symptoms. the warning label, which i called for earlier this week, would help warn parents about the risks that we see while we are waiting on congress to really make these platforms safer. >> just like mr. surgeon general, just like people that were working inside the tobacco industry in the 1950s

understood the risks and try to keep it from the public, we have very clear examples of, like for instance, in the study a few years ago, that got leaked that showed that people at facebook understood that instagram, in particular, did cause anxiety-- added anxiety, added depression, suicidal ideations, especially for younger girls and women who used it. you can talk to people in silicon valley who limit their children's screen time, because they understand that it is sort of scrambling their brain or rewires their brain, shortens their attention span, adds anxiety and all of these other things. i mean, the industry seems to understand this do they not? >> well, this is a good question, and to really understand what the industry knows would require data transparency, and the problem

right now is that researchers are telling us that they have not been able to get access to all of the information that the companies have about the mental health impact of their product on their kids. i will say this joe, and as a parent myself, i would never want to feel that the products that my children are using, that there is data about their safety being hidden from me. on the question i wonder about, why is it that we are so fastidious, stringent and conscientious about having safety data on the product our kids use, whether it is when they are older, car seats, the food that they eat, the medications that they take, yet when it comes to social media, a product which, by the way, 95 percent of kids are using, we have not required the kind of safety audits and independent studies that are needed to assess safety. so, i do think that is a problem, one of the reasons i have called on congress to require that kind of data

transparency. that is why i think public audits are really important, because look, i would love to believe with the companies are saying about the safety of the product is true, but we need proof, just like we demand other products that kids use. >> surgeon general, al sharpton, one of the things that comes to mind that i have had to deal with is that, when you use cell phones in schools, you find that a lot of the fighting, the gangs, all of that use cell phones and do a lot of violent acts, aside from the health issues in terms of the labeling is the fact that we could take the cell phones out of the schools. doesn't that bring down, in some areas that many of us have to work with in terms of young people? it actually will stop a lot of the violence and a lot of the back-and-forth that leads to kind of combating students. >> well, i am glad you asked

that, reverend, because if you talk to teachers, in schools, as i have, they will often tell you about what they are seeing which is that using social media in schools not only contributes to bullying and harassment and in some cases the violence, but it also distracts kids from learning. it impairs their ability to connect with one another and build relationships. i was bit visiting a school in lincoln, nebraska, a school that had put in place a policy to restrict the use of phones during classroom time. i asked the kids, how did you feel about that? initially some of them were uncertain about what the impact would be, but afterward they said that they all really enjoyed getting to talk to one another and know one another. some of them had been in school for a year or more together, but they had actually built a relationship with one another. when you create an environment, where people can be without the distraction of social media all the time, what takes over is a natural instinct for us to

connect with one another and keep this in mind, if we listen to parents and young people on this issue, with the young people and parents are telling us is that they are concerned about the mental health impact. nearly half of all adolescents are saying using social media makes them feel worse about their body image. this is what kids are telling us, a third of them say they feel addicted to social media. a third are saying they are staying up to midnight or later on weeknights on their devices and all around the country kids say they can't get off of these devices. it is not by mistake, it is not because they don't have willpower, it is because the platforms are designed to maximize how much time they are spending on them, so the bottom line-- this is a kids issue. we have got to put our kid's health and well-being first. that means taking action to make social media safer, and warn parents and kids about the social harms. >> right. it is-- it is actually a bit like casinos. they are designed to keep people on their. you talk to mental health counselors, they will tell you

the more tired you are the more likely you are to stay on these social media sites, and we need to let you go, but i just had to really quickly tie this to something else that you-- and really toward an issue that you talked about and that is the epidemic of loneliness and isolation that is gripping america. you can't talk about that without talking about social media, without talking about technology, without talking about the things that are supposed to connect us, but as you have just said, pull us apart. >> joe, i will just very quickly say on that point, i finished a college tour recently, talking about loneliness and isolation. the most common question they asked me, which is so disturbing is, how are we supposed to build relationships with one another with the culture is no longer for people to talk to one another in person. this is partly the result of the social media culture that

we have. we have got to rebuild social connection with young people and in person relationships are different from online relationships. they are richer. we need to cultivate them, and right now our kids are telling us they need help in doing so. so, addressing the harms of social media we would be one step in the right direction. next, former white house attorney, bob bauer joins us to talk about his new book that talks about america's current and environment that has warning for democrats the upcoming election. upcoming election. for people who feel limited by the unpredictability of generalized myasthenia gravis

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you go to california we have 100,000 people show up, they say where he was in california? why would we lose it? it is so corrupt, the whole election process. it is a rigged deal, we have a rigged country, we have recollections. the radical left democrats rigged the presidential election in 2020 and we are not going to allow them to rig the presidential election in 2024. >> former president, donald trump in that speech in detroit on saturday. still claiming the last election and the whole country are rigged against him. joining me know, longtime democratic legal advisor and former president, barack obama's election, bob bauer. he is the author of a new book, titled the unraveling, reflections and politics without ethics for democracy in crisis. >> i hope this doesn't-- i hope

you don't take this wrong. we are both kind of old. and we have seen a lot, been around a lot and i remember when i first came to washington, d.c. i watched him on meet the press that he would be interviewing i guy that you work for and while the cameras were rolling those guys it was a thrill in vanilla. and afterwards as you know, very well they were friends, and they would go-- they would talk about how they got things done. talk about and i want to put focus on this the damage to the scar tissue that we have both seen over the past 30, 3540 years. >> yes, joe i will not dispute your point about my age, but let's just say we are getting on, not getting old, but getting on. >> getting on. absolutely. i would call when i was younger a vigorous fight reported in the paper between hubert humphrey and barry goldwater

and when it was over they walked out of the senate chamber with their arms around each other. arm in arm. and that tolerance for the other side the disputes are resolved, citizens of the same country is absolutely critical to the flourishing of this democracy to the protection of democratic values. and what i'm attempting to do is show that at bottom a democratic and ethical democratic politics has a difference. i noticed in your last discussion of lies it noticed a difference between truth and falsehood parties do argue their case is strenuously and sometimes they find exaggerations in the view advanced by others, but at the end of the day they respect the voters and they respect the fundamental importance of conveying truthful information in support of their positions. when that starts to collapse

democracy is strained and the book i wrote is about how those of us who have a role in politics and government have an ethical responsibility and choices they are made every day. >> i am all too. so i remember those days but windows the unraveling begin, you trace it to a moment i figure? a person when did this change happen imagine republican and democrat working off of the senate floor today, with their own strategy, when did this happen? >> i have observed over the course of my career a striking difference, i got into a graduated from law school and at that time there were still

debates for that sort of dialogue and a deep belief that this was a necessity and that those in public life owed the voters and that has disappeared . and i understand there are just different points of view on how that happened. the key thing is we have to get back to an appreciation of the ethical dimension of politics and these traces that are made every day to lie or not to lie. to respect her not to respect an adversary. to respect her not respect the law. to respect the difference between the public and private public office is a public trust and not an opportunity for private political or other gain these are critical tenants that underlie the flourishing of the democracy. got to get back to that. but i understand there are significant disagreements about how we got to the point where we are today. >> yeah, you know, michael, we can't even figure out both sides can't even figure out like what began the great divide

. if you talk to most conservatives, i'm sure you and me in the past we love 1987 and the so-called borking of robert bork and the complete destruction of his character before he even got out to have hearings. you talk to a lot of democrats with newt gingrich hyper partisan, personalized things, still, still engaging in just a great exaggeration to get his points through. so, even what caused the great divide is still debatable, but those are two good places to start aren't they? >> yeah, they are. in fact this has been a fascinating space for me for a while to try to contextualize this moment that we see with the unraveling of the republican party. the unraveling of our national

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i know a lot of voters are exhausted, you know who else is exhausted?

every single player at halftime at the super bowl. every one of them is still exhausted. and what do they do? they go out there and they do it again. this is halftime in the biden- trump contest for the future. and there is a second half coming up and yeah. you have to play in both halves. a brand-new play with a unique twist is happening off broadway. tomorrow night at the connelly theater is entitled to a pre- existing condition. the players a controlled explore the struggle of escaping an abusive relationship and the powerful journey of making it to the other side. it features a star-studded, rotating cast, with an alternating group of actors in the leading role during its run. so, interesting. joining us now, one of the show's producers, academy award

nominated actor, jesse eisenberg, and actress, teddy given some, among a rotating cast of women who play the lead role in the play, and i want to ask about the rotations in just a moment, but first, jesse, take us beyond the title and tell us more about this play. >> thank you so much thank you for having us on and nico, this play is just this incredible story of this woman who is getting out of an abusive relationship and reintegrating back into her life and it is just this amazing collection of things that paints this portrait of a woman just trying to reintegrate after a strange thing has happened, and a terrible thing has happened. and so, the play is not just about this but it is about humor and her attempts to regain herself, and something more people can relate to a than unfortunately people should be able to relate to. >> i think one of the things when you read the background of the play, it makes me want to go see it.

you taught me how to center myself just now. exercise here in the studio, so i appreciate it. is that, it is rarely talked about people coming out of life altering experiences. so, it may not even be an abusive relationship, there's any number of life altering experiences. is that what you hope, when you are in the play, and then what jesse is trying to project, and people can't recover from life altering experiences? >> oh, definitely. i think one thing that drew me to this play was that it is really not about the spectacle of dating violence, it is really about the afterlife of it, and how this character kind of carries it and how it ripples out and affects her community, and how she is ultimately able to find healing and support, even when the path to legal accountability is full of, you know, different barriers for a lot of people. so i hope that lots of different people, i don't hope, but i also hope people will

have different ways of relating to it >> can you talk to us about the rotating cast docs but aspect? that is pretty new i think? >> yeah. so, by different doctors, including myself share the lead role. we go for about two weeks at a time, and it is-- i think, a very creative choice on the part of the show, because instead of choosing one woman to be the kind of avatar for this story, i think it gestures to the sense of, that this experience can happen to a lot of people, it does happen to different people and as an actor i felt like i got to step into this kind of support group of people who have already done it, and i get to see the other actors go on first and audience members could maybe see it multiple times. >> yeah. so interesting, jesse, i wonder where did you get this idea if this was you? because also, these women could also learn from each other and to develop that character, and

what else you hope the audience will take away from this? >> well, it was absolutely not my idea, i'm so thrilled to be a part of it, but the playwright is marie ireland, probably one of the most beloved women in new york theater. so, she wrote this incredible play, and i really hope audiences can like, find and just understand the nuance, with the play does so wonderfully is it kind of presents just the nuance of kind of coming back from a bad experience, and specifically intimate partner violence, and it just shows like, the way it kind of presents itself to you, if you are a person who has experienced this. the way the world is kind of constantly reminding you in weird, passive-aggressive, sometimes on help, sometimes maybe unhelpful accidentally ways, orienting yourself back into the world. >> pre-existing condition opens tomorrow at manhattan's connelly theater and runs

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welcome back to a new hour of morning joe weekend. let's pick up where we left off with some important stories we

discussed over the past week. >> now less than a week away from the first presidential debate and we now know who will have the last word. according to cnn, biden's campaign won the coin flip and opted for the right hand podium which means he'll be on the right side of your screen. trump's team chose to deliver the final statement of the debate. president biden's reelection campaign allied committees and pacs and the dnc say they together raised $85 million in the last month. that figure is far short though of the $141 million that trump's campaign allied groups and the rnc say they jointly raised. it's worth noting one figure the trump campaign has not reported this much how much cash it has on hand. trump's war chest was $60 million smaller than biden's back in april. the largest federal individual campaign contribution so far this election cycle now belongs

to businessman timothy mellon who donated $50 million to a super pac supporting trump's bid on the final day of may. tweeting earlier, that in any other country $50 million individual donation to a candidate would be un-- would probably be illegal. but it would be extraordinary news. i mean it's a massive sum for one person to give and you have to think what do you get in return. >> yeah, it's all in the aftermath of the citizens united supreme court decision. we should note news broke that mike bloomberg billionaire, one time presidential candidate made a significant gift to those groups supporting president biden. certainly a chance for more there as well. this is a race that is awash in cash. after trump was convicted in new york city, this hush money trial, his team said they expected the money to roll in

and it did. president biden and his team had a strong month. $85million but it was dwarfed by what trump and the republicans did. he's managed to close the gap in what had once been a major advantage for biden. >> i frankly was shocked by just how much trump raised in the 48 hours after the conviction because his team had predicted is something like around $52 million and it ended up being closer to 70. just in the 48 hours after the conviction. biden had such -- there was such a huge gulf between the two candidates. you would hear from the trump campaign primary's over, we're going to make up this and they really did. he always has be able to operate a relatively lean operation. now he's even more well funded going into the summer cycle. >> we don't know how much money he has on hand and of course some of the money he does raise is going for his legal bills an issue that president biden does not have. the latest episode of the

podcast in politic, john spoke with biden campaign chief. here's what she had to say about the upcoming presidential debate. >> joe biden's going to stand on that stage and he's going to show what he showed in 2020 that he is in this for all the right reasons. he's focused on delivering for the american people. him standing next to donald trump is the best way to show that. do i think rules are going to protect the american people from whatever donald trump might say? of course not. but i do think, you know, having this really be serious is what the american people want. i think that, you know, joe biden every day is doing the job of being president. this is a great opportunity earlier in the cycle than ever before for the two of them to stand together and for him to talk about what he's done and what he's fighting for. and not having an audience, not having distractions, not having to worry about covid. i think all those things are better for the american people. joe biden's going to have a

great debate. >> john has decided to join us now. partner and chief political columnist at puck. so john -- >> my snark-dar is very dulled there. he's decided to join us now. just a little edge there. unnecessary. >> you were a few minutes late. we're glad you're here. that's a newsy interview with someone who doesn't do a lot of them. it's not -- a signature moment for any cycle's campaign. but this one really seems like it's going to matter. >> i think it's going to matter. you're right. jenna o'malley dillon has not done an extended on the record interview since she started running the campaign. we had about an hour long conversation. they understand the stakes. we talked about how much the state of the union is the right analogy in some ways.

it's the next beat of giant exposure to lots of people who don't normally pay attention to politics. those people in that small sliver of voters that matter at this point. and there is even in the face of it this is something we also talked about. even in the face of the fact that biden has over the course of six months. unmistakable that biden has polling has improved on the national level. trump's peak was in january. polling had him up by 4. biden is now a little bit ahead in the 538 average and right neck and neck with trump in the real average. in the face of that there is a lot of democratic bedwetting happening again. people see some of these videos. many of them are deceptively edited but the notion of biden is freezing on camera has a lot of people in the donor world and officials and other people who are staunch democrats

worried about biden the same way before the state of the union. obviously with the biden campaign is trying to do is do the same thing. exceed expectations. but these new rules are no man's land. we've never been there before. >> and the biden debate prep begins really in earnest today. he's at camp david. he's going to be holed up there for several days. let's get you to weigh in on what you're hearing from democrats. they kept pointing to the significant financial advantage the biden team had. they've spent a lot of money. to what you just said, the polls have narrowed a little bit. biden is ahead by a little. >> all margin of error. but there's just a little bit of a trend. that's clear over six months and after the trial. >> trend lines matter. the battleground states mostly it's trump up by a little but biden has closed the gap. this is a very close race. what's the level of concern though from democrats that now trump has pulled even in the financial game? >> i think not as -- not nearly

as great as the questions around that for democrats around what biden -- whether biden looks like he's up to the job. voters don't care about the financial stuff. the biden campaign is going to have all the resources it needs. that's the way you think. you think about do we have the money we need to reach the voters we need to reach. they are confident witness that all the fundraising stuff they've done including that recent fundraiser in hollywood, they're not going to be cash strapped. would they have preferred to have a giant fund raising advantage? yes. did anybody walk into the race thinking that would make the difference? people in the biden campaign, did she think trump's going to be cash poor. no. what they thought was we're going to have enough money to get done what we need to get done. we can't control what happens with donald trump. they kind of expected at some point that the republican billionaire class would rally around trump. >> this is getting into the

nitty gritty, but did you hear anything from the biden campaign about why the decision to choose the podium on the right versus final statement? >> i do not. i have not. i wish i had an answer for that question. in fact, it's kind of in the weeds. it's an interesting question. i don't know the answer to it. and i think that's one of those things we'll read about in a great book about this afterwards. the big lie part two. >> the bigger lie. >> i can't tell you how interesting it is. jenna o'malley dillon is a legendary field organizer. eventually ran the battleground states for obama. she -- she talks in detail about the difference between 2020 and this race. everybody says hey, it's a rerun. same two candidates all the same. they do not see it that way.

they think the 2020 campaign was a national campaign. it was the middle of covid. you couldn't run a battleground state race really in 2020. in 2024 they think of this not as a national race. they think of this as these six states plus she argues very strongly north carolina is a state they're going to -- they think they can tip. she admits florida is not a state they can tip. those six or seven states and a very small number of voters. they're running state by state campaigns. new organizing model. new advertising model. >> still ahead, democratic congressman jim clyburn of south carolina is going to join our conversation. our conversation. add to the st. today, it's possible to go from struggle to cholesterol success with leqvio. with a statin, leqvio is proven to lower bad cholesterol by 50% and keep it low with 2 doses a year. common side effects were injection site reaction, joint pain, and chest cold.

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i don't think he needs to do anything but what he's doing. i think joe biden is doing exactly what he needs to do to win reelection. i think the polling has taken place.

something there's amiss with the polling. i call your attention to the recent polls over in maryland. the african american woman running for the united states senate nomination, the sunday before the election one poll had her five down. other poll had her seven down. and she won by 13. how do you explain that? that's 20 points. >> yeah. >> so i have no idea what's going on with polling these days. but i do know this, the polls did not have ossoff, nor warnock winning georgia and both of them won. polls did not have mcbeth getting 87% in that district but she did. anybody who believes that

donald trump will get 30% of the black male vote or 12% of the black female vote, i got a bridge down there on johns island i'll sell you. >> let's bring out democratic congressman jim clyburn. he's a national cochair for the biden campaign. that reminds me of two things. one is when a person running trump's campaign in 2020 tried to tell me he was going to get 20% of the black vote in 2020. i said no, he isn't. other thing that reminds me of when i got elected at 30, 31, i had a lot of people coming in saying okay, how did you win and what do i need to do to win and they start talking about these republicans, these white republicans start talking about how they're the ones who are going to crack the code and they're going to get 30, 40% of the black vote. before it came out i said no, you're not. you're going to get 5% and if you work really hard you can get those numbers up.

but the trump people i mean, the trump people are doing it again. we're going to get 30%. talk about how you hear this year in and year out and it never comes to fruition for republicans. >> first of all, thank you very much for having me, joe. you know, i don't understand why these platitudes that get thrown out there trump and others, especially some of the events these people who really carry a message that we all know where it emanates from. why they seem to think that that's viable. that that is what is going to happen. the fact of the matter is people know what their conditions are, they watch these candidates, they listen to their rhetoric and then you say i've done more for african americans than any president since abraham lincoln, then you have one of your supporters out there saying that all of a

sudden things are going good during jim crow and lbj comes along. lyndon johnson and because of his programs things got bad for the black family. what were his programs? number one, the 1964 civil rights act. the 1965 voting rights act. the 1968 fair housing law. getting rid of red lining, keeping the black families in slum conditions. that is a problem? and you're telling me that your guy proposing that we get rid of these kinds of programs. and now healthcare. remember, president trump big problem with john mccain was that he cast the deciding vote

that made the affordable care act continue to exist. now you're telling me that black families are going to reward him for that? i just saw -- i have been saying for weeks, even months now to my friends, that joe biden has a quiet constituency that nobody is looking at, nobody's listening to, but it's showing up in these polls. so i don't know what the people are saying to the pollsters. but i know what they say to me when i walk through airports. i just came in from san diego and i spent a lot of time in charlotte airport. charlotte airport in the last several days and people are coming up to me very quietly saying keep doing what you're

doing. things are going to be fine come november. there's a quiet constituency that joe biden has and it will show up big time come november. >> reverend al is with us and he has a question for you, jim. rev. >> congressman, happy juneteenth day. before you went to congress you and your wife came out of the civil rights movement that really helped us to gain in your very young years the voting rights act. and a lot of this race, i spoke last night in florida. a lot of this race is not about two older white men fighting in a retirement home about who's the best. it's not whose side we're on but who is on our side. i think what you can outline to our viewers is the difference, the contrast in what trump has stood for. we lost affirmative action under him. voting rights has been hurt.

and what biden has been able to do. people don't vote for who's side they're on. it's who's on their side. >> yes. two words that can sum up both sides of this issue. joe biden offers freedom. freedom to vote. freedom of reproductive rights. the kinds of freedom that people hold dear. the other side offer favor. you vote for me and i will favor you in this way, that way or the other. what are you going to do for my communities, my family, me personally. that is something the other side has failed to put forth. i'm telling you, this campaign is about freedom versus favor. >> i agree this idea that the

trump campaign is going to get 30% of the black vote doesn't make any sense. these numbers that they're touting doesn't make any sense. are you concerned about turnout? when i travel around the country and i'm talking with young people there is not a lot of excitement out there are you worried not so much about voting for donald trump but folk not turning out in the numbers that produced a warnock and an ossoff. >> that's what the other side is all about, yes. i am worried about that. the reason i'm worried about that, not because i don't think the interest is there and we are going to be able to turn people out based upon our platform. what i worry about the misinformation, the disinformation. the stuff happening on social media that people repeat and the mainstream media rather than report it as it is, and

the repeat. it's one thing to report. it's something else to repeat. you keep repeating to us rather than explaining what's happening that could depress turnout. the other side that's why they keep saying these ridiculous things because they believe if they get it repeated often enough people will be depressed and then the vote will be suppressed. >> always great to see you. >> thank you very much. more morning joe weekend after a quick break. k break.

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a group of senate democrats is setting its sights on a bill from the 1870s as the next possible way to protect reproductive rights. the act which has not been

actively enforced for decades bans mailing lewd, obscene, or abortion-producing materials. the lawmakers say it could be used to stop the distribution of the abortion pill mifepristone. tina smith of minnesota wrote now that trump has overturned roe a future administration could police apply this 150- year-old comstock law to deny women their rights. but unlike other reproductive rights efforts, not all democrats are backing this one. reportedly fearing that shining a light on the law would legitimize the idea of using it, senator majority leader chuck schumer dodged the question when asked last week if he supported the measure. >> whether democrats move next now that you've done ivf and birth control, will you move next on the comstock act and should it be amended?

>> we move forward last week on contraception. this week on ivf. you'll be hearing more from us on reproductive rights in the near future. >> the biden administration also does not view the law as a threat. the justice department wrote in 2022 that the comstock act would not prohibit the mailing of abortion bills. the idea that there is something that democrats should be protecting but not talking about because then republicans might notice it just seems a little fanciful for me. i mean this is a world in which everybody is looking at every possible tool they can use to achieve their ends. the idea that the comstock act has gone under the radar doesn't seem to fly to me. >> yeah, i don't really get that. it's pretty clear to me that the extreme movement of the republican party around this issue is not going anywhere.

they have huge part of the republican party has been the overturning of roe and that energy and those networks aren't stopping now. they're not going to stop until they get a nationwide ban. i don't think they'll stop until they really wipe out ivf. they clearly in my state the law is written would in fact say that anybody who is using ivf and an egg that had been fertilized was destroyed that in fact would be unlawful in my state because there's no exceptions and life begins with conception. we're a personhood state. so they're not stopping. and i think it's probably a good idea to highlight that even this arcane law that i agree probably wouldn't apply, but that doesn't mean they won't try. and it doesn't mean that we shouldn't pay attention to. everyone needs to realize this

threat is not going anywhere. i think it's important for this election cycle for people to think oh, done and dusted it's over it's legal in my state. >> on the issue of reproductive rights this monday will be the two year anniversary of the dobbs decision and on that day vice president kamala harris will be our guest on morning joe sitting down with mika for an exclusive interview. you won't want to miss that. that's monday. as we talk about this election day in and day out. it's helpful to remind ourselves that even if it's not part of the daily conversation abortion rights, reproductive rights, abortion healthcare is a massive issue this time around. and one that has been undefeated since the dobbs decision. democrats have won time and again vowing to try to protect those reproductive rights. what should the messaging be? how front and center should it be? >> it should be center pip like this think it have as prongs

under an overall umbrella. if you sell safety. safety for a woman to protect her reproductive rights. safety against the killing of democracy. safety against taking your healthcare away. abortion is one of the prongs to set up biden as the safe choice versus a dangerous choice. donald trump is dangerous to you if you look to protect your reproductive rights. it's dangerous to you if you're worried about democracy. it's dangerous if you're worried about bringing back the insurrection act and having the military turn against you. primely make it about danger versus safety and abortion is one of the leading prongs in that. >> if some candidates, glenn youngkin. there is a tie in here. we watch what happened to glenn youngkin. he was the guy that everybody wanted to run. and then abortion played in to that defeat in the midterms in virginia in those special elections and they lost the legislature over it. >> a lot of youngkin's appeal

as a late entry into the presidential race last year was in fact based on the legislative races in virginia and the idea of can this candidate model an approach on abortion for the republican party to address an issue that's been really hurting at the ballot box. obviously it didn't go well last november and by then it was probably moot anyways because trump was obviously surging and was untouchable in the race. but yeah, i mean youngkin is the latest example of a republican trying to figure out a way to address the issue by coming to a 15 week restriction and it wasn't that effective. it wasn't effective enough to help him safe control of their majority. >> interesting politician i saw campaigning during the midterm elections and he was playing this double game of going out and endorsing kari lake in arizona so flirting with the maga crowd but trying to win the suburbs of northern virginia. do you think he's somebody who

is still has a political future? >> well, that's the price of admission in today's republican party. even for somebody, glenn youngkin would be much more comfortable in the pretrump version of the party. he's got to live in the party that's today if he has aspirations. that's been a real challenge for him. a sort of blue, purple state of virginia. try to retain and govern a state. that's where i think he struggle. he is a charming guy. that can be helpful with politics to that have ability. i think he does still have a real future. we'll see if he would get a gig in a trump administration if trump wins and then beyond that. where is the gop in 28? in 32. what kind of party is this going to be post trump. a party that's opening for a guy like youngkin or not?

that will shape his fortunes. >> big picture, what state are you watching in this election? what state do you see as the must win for whoever gets the. the city? >> well, can i give you two? >> go on. we're generous. >> i don't want to pick my favorites. wisconsin and michigan are two states i come back to time and time again. they're the closest states to dead center on the political map and they're the states that biden needs and can't win the election if he doesn't have those two states. they have i think at least so much of the broader american electorate. suburban identities who used to be republicans. disaffected college students who were down on biden. working class votes. white and black alike who obviously are going to be really hotly pursued.

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let's bring in senior business analyst and the host of the 11th hour stephanie rhule. as americans cope with higher temperatures across the country, the economy is feeling the impact as well. tell us about it. >> it certainly is, mika. it's all about worker productivity. the u.s. could be losing up to $100 billion a year as we're facing these temperatures going up and up. we could be losing half a percentage point of productivity. think about outdoor jobs. utility jobs. construction jobs. people can't go out and do those jobs in this extreme heat. then there's agriculture. we know that the federal government has paid out in the last 20 years over a billion dollars especially to places like california in crop insurance because of failed crops because of the heat and the last thing to think about

is us the consumer. one of the most important parts about our economy we've got a consumer-based economy. we're simply not going out and spending. you're seeing theme parks. this is the height of theme park season in places like texas consider limiting their houses or shutting down because people are saying i cannot go out in this unbearable heat. in some places they're saying i'm heading north. i'm heading anywhere where it's not that brutal. >> whether it's governments or private corporations are taking to try to mitigate this knowing the extreme heat seems to only be increasing summer by summer. how are they trying to counteract this? >> yes, and no. climate change has become extremely political. though it shouldn't; right? you should look at it in a different way. you are seeing certain states. you have california where you see over the summer rolling blackouts to start to address the power grid. texas in the winter also gets the ore extreme what we've seen when they have extreme cold and the power grid shutting down there. it's not being addressed

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175,000 marijuana convictions. and makes maryland the first state in america to issue mass pardons on cannabis paraphernalia-related charges. maryland's legalized recreational marijuana back in 2023 after the state legislature passed a constitutional amendment on that. and maryland governor wes moore joins us now. he's also a member of the biden- harris campaign's national advisory board. thank you so much for joining us. this is historic. tell us first of all about the mass pardons. who is this going to impact and why you did it. >> we did it because this is about both moral justice and economic justice. and the reason i bring up both of those two things is maryland voted that we should have a recreational cannabis market. we voted by a 70% margin that we were going to have a recreational cannabis market. my administration has been

rolling out what many believe to be the most equitable and the smoothest rollout we've seen of a cannabis rollout inside of our state. we have 174 new social equity licenses. people who have the ability to sell legally cannabis but also we know -- which is, again, a historic number. but at the same time we know this. you cannot talk about the benefits of legalization if you're not willing to wrestle with the consequences of criminalization. that we still had tens of thousands, over 100,000 people who still had cannabis charges. so when we say from a moral perspective you cannot continue to have people who have records for something that is now legal and a multibillion dollar industry having an ability to get jobs. having an ability to go to school. an ability to get a home and at the same time it's an economic imperative. i was with someone yesterday who for years has had a misdemeanor cannabis charge that has not allowed him to keep steady work. he got one job and he was fired

on the second day because he didn't pass a back ground check because of a misdemeanor cannabis charge. something that is now legal. this was really important not just economically for the state. it was important for the individuals who received the pardon. this was really important when it came to a moral course for how maryland was going to operate and lead. >> i was going to ask you about maggie rogers. i saw the video but we'll stay on topic for the point today. obviously -- >> she's a good maryland girl. >> yeah, she is. eastern shore. what you're doing in maryland on marijuana is to a degree something that the biden administration has tried to do nationally which is essentially lower the temperature around it, get rid of the harsh penalties for use of cannabis. but i'm wondering as you take

these proactive steps to normalize cannabis use, is there more the feds can and should be doing on that front as well? not just decriminalization but looking more towards the legalization elements. >> yes. and i applaud the biden-harris administration. they've been able to do things that have been really important to this cause like moving dan that business from a schedule 1 to a schedule 3 drug. no reason that something like cannabis should have the same classification as heroin. and other synthetic drugs. that was an important step about the way society looks at it. urging governors to take this look. the thing i would continue to tell people is if you're wondering whether or not you should do this, if you're wondering whether or not this should happen in your states i would say this. listen to your people. listen to what they're telling you. keep your ear close to the ground. that's exactly what we did in the state of maryland. when we put it up for a referendum we saw overwhelmingly that the people of our state wanted this done. when we were pulling together

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steve carell, kristen wiig and will ferrell for this seriously unserious interview. >> thank you all. really appreciate you being with us. steve, this is, you know, despicable me franchise is perhaps the biggest animated series of all time. it's theme parks. it's halloween costumes. nbc comcast universal employee it's my 401k. so thank you. why do you think this franchise now a decade so on why does it resinate with people so much? >> i have no idea. [ laughter ] >> i mean the short answer, we did the first one. i thought it was great. i thought it was funny and it was heart warming. it it was all of those things. and it felt like a real movie. it felt like the relationships meant something. but you never know how people are going to take to something.

but they did. but i give all the credit to the writers who have been able to expand the world over these past three, four movies. >> so my wife and i watched this with our kids the other day. they're ages 12 and 9 and my youngest as a baby resembled a minion. fuzzy hair, kind of jaundiced. you all have kids who have grown up with it. is it in your home? >> they love -- >> were you jaundiced by any chance? >> no. >> that's good. >> but yes, minion everything as much as i can get. but they've only seen the first one because they're still quite young. but they know this one is coming out and they're really excited. it's the minion movie to them. >> of course they're excited. >> how can you not love a minion? >> lucy, you're a hair stylist at an upscale salon. >> a hair stylist! yes. >> will, you're the new kid on the block. >> pressure's on.

>> joining the franchise. was this the easiest decision you had to make or did your arm have to get twisted? >> i've been begging for years. decades. >> yeah. >> and these guys would just laugh and then change the subject. so finally i got a shot. and this is my shot. i hope i didn't blow. >> how much creative lee way did you have to input that character and that accent? >> well, that was kind of what was pitched to me that maxine would be this flamboyant guy with this french accent and i was like i'm in. having been said, you're given a ton of creative freedom to try whatever you want. different reads. different fluctuations. however you want to do it. that's not allowed all the time. so this was great. this was great to do that. >> what now? >> we're low on fuel. >> it's always something. i can never focus on just being

evil. >> you all have real improv history, of course. how do you take that with you, does that help inform something like this or there are some limitations and challenges to the animation too? >> i mean they pretty much encourage us to bring our own take to it. definitely get what's scripted and what's great about this as opposed to shooting something live it's not like oh can i try that again and it's a setup and you have to wait and cut. oh, you can just. >> they said we have to move on a lot with me. at 6:00 a.m. eastern for a brand new week of morning joe. until then, have a great day. good morning. it is sunday,