i can never focus on just being evil. >> you all have real improv history, of course. how do you take that with you, does that help inform something like this or there are some limitations and challenges to the animation too? >> i mean they pretty much encourage us to bring our own take to it. definitely get what's scripted and what's great about this as opposed to shooting something live it's not like oh can i try that again and it's a setup and you have to wait and cut. oh, you can just. >> they said we have to move on a lot with me. at 6:00 a.m. eastern for a brand new week of morning joe. until then, have a great day. good morning. it is sunday, june 23.

ahead, count down to debate day. new details on how president biden is preparing for the high stakes moment and contrast he is drawing with an increasingly unhinged opponent. setting the stage for a major week at the supreme court. >> now sounds from the exclusive conversation with vice president kamala harris. her message two years after fall of roe. grab your coffee and settle in. welcome to the weekend. get ready for a blockbuster week in american politics. it's a week that could change the landscape of the 2024 presidential election. wednesday, supreme court is set to release a new round of opinions. there are 14 cases left to decide including donald trump's

immunity claim to get him out of legal trouble for trying to steal an election. thursday president biden and trump will meet for first presidential debate of the 2020 race -- 2024 race. it feels like daja vu. for a lot of voters it is. tomorrow also marks two years since supreme court gutted right for women to make choices about their own bodies. joining us to discuss it is democratic congress woman of delaware, cochair of the biden harris campaign. good morning. >> good morning. it's great to have you at the table on a sunday morning. count down to debate and really i think in some sense the official kick off of this campaign season. i think voters even at the beach are going to tune in a little bit. >> i think so but let's not go into competition between the beaches. we know who is best.

>> throwing down early. >> maryland corner is getting out of hand today because it done met delaware, okay. >> this is how it is. i would like to begin the conversation a little bit about trump taking credit for what he's done for our community, hispanic community. let's take a listen to him in philadelphia on saturday. >> i will tell you that taking african american jobs and hispanic american jobs, you know who else they're really affecting, unions. i have to tell you we have a lot of teamsters here. do we have a lot of teamsters? we have teamsters and i think we are doing 89% or something with the teamsters. >> make heads or tails of that for us. it's always a word salad and taking credit for things that he has nothing to do with, saying he's got support from communities he does not.

how do you, you know, deal with that? how do we position this at the beginning of the selection? >> well, you know, i think first of all it is clear that joe biden and kamala harris have been historic in the efforts they make for the country as a whole. but also when you look at black americans in this country, we have seen investments in hbcus we have never seen before, $16 e billion. we have seen focus on maternal mortality particularly when we know we are most impacted. as black women we are three times more likely to die because of maternal mortality. when you look at the growth in black businesses, latino businesses, on almost every single indicator, this administration has delivered. and i think, you know, when you think about what donald trump says and who he focuses on, it isn't all of us.

it's some of us. i mean, from day one. as someone who has served under both presidents, i know the difference. i've seen the difference. i have seen the difference in what they've done and how they do it. i mean, we have been demonized by the former president. and so to me i think it's maybe politically expeditious to say these things. but where the rubber hits the road, we know who has fought for issues. even student debt relief. that is a big one. i talk sometimes -- as i was coming into the capitol one day, you know, a black gentleman, capitol police officer, knocked on my window, k had me roll down the window. i thought he would need to see my id. he said i want you to know my wife has been a teacher for decades now. we could not get from under the

student loan debt. he said i want you to tell joe -- he didn't say the president -- i want you to tell joe i said thank you. >> her student loan debt was forgiven, his wife's. >> exactly. there are a lot of polls out there but what i am hearing is this is a president who has been transformational in their lives. even environmental justice, an issue i work on, we have seen a real focus on it this administration. i think there is a song you might remember from back in the day by black sheep "you can get with this or you can get with that." you can get with the one that's delivered. that's joe biden. >> if only we rehad clearance f that as our music for the way out. jazz up the show. i think what will be interesting about thursday is being able to see them side by

side. in the absence, i want you to listen to two things that have happened. first is donald trump yesterday in philadelphia talking about how he believes there should be a ufc migrant fight and then contrast that with what we heard from president biden at the white house talking about immigrants who already live in this country. >> i said dana, dana, i have an idea for you to make a lot of money. you are going to go and start a new migrant fight league. only migrants. then at the end of the year, the champion migrant is going to fight your champion. i hate to tell you, i think the migrant might win. that's how tough they are. this is not a normal situation. this is not always oh these wonderful people. >> the statue of liberty is not some relic of american history. it still stands for who we are. we can secure the border and

provide legal pathways to citizenship. we have to acknowledge that the patience and goodwill of the american people is being tested by fears at the border. they don't understand a lot of it. these are fears my predecessor is trying to play on when he says immigrants, immigrants. his words are poison the blood of the country. >> it's not like living in two countries. it's like living on two planets. it is obvious. republicans, donald trump, they know providing protections for immigrants who have been in the country for grover a decade, married to u.s. citizens, is incredibly politically popular across the ibpolitical spectrum they don't want to talk about that. he wants to talk about cage fighting which is cruel and insane and a million other things. but his purpose is to distract. >> totally. back to what i said about demonizing people, making caricatures of people. joe biden is a person of good character and is uplifting all

the american people. even the subject amthat he talk about, joe biden looks at real practical ways to deal with immigration, to deal with securing our border while you have the former president who again, it's a joke. for so many people in this country right now, this is no time for joking. this is serious business. there is also an issue of humanity. you know, you wonder where is donald trump's humanity in all of this? i mean, i think about immigration reform. i think about the fact that we as democrats put forward real proposals and if republicans are serious, because we know this historically has been bipartisan issue, then they would come together and do something. ultimately it truly is a contrast of what is donald trump administration and what is a joe biden administration, who cares for some of the people and who cares for all

the people. >> the campaign is out with a memo by michael tyler that makes that point, talks about th in the lead up to the debate this week that the campaign will be putting a magnifying g glass on the contrast between the two candidates. there is a lot happening. we mentioned it, donald trump may pick his vice president this week, we might know who it is. he told nbc news at a campaign stop, he was asked at a philadelphia campaign stop whether he decided. he responded in my mind, yeah. maybe he will let you know. most likely it will be at thursday's debate against joe biden where it will be announced. last time there was an election where a democratic candidate had to pick the vice president, you were on the selection committee. so many issues on the forefront congress woman, what are you hoping to see in this debate on wednesday understanding that this is also the week of the

anniversary of roe verses wade. are you concerned that there is anybody that will be able to go toe to toe with vice president harris. >> first i don't think anybody will be able to go toe to toe with vice president harris. she's an incredible part of this legacy of the administration. her focus on making sure, she did opportunity tour, some of the real opportunities that we have in the country and highlighting opportunities for economic growth and development. she's focused on our reproductive freedoms. i am very excited to see what she does as we get closer to maybe potential debates on vp piece. i think the reality is again you've got two different visions for this country. one is to take us backwards. the other is to move us forward. so what i think you will see on

the debate stage is a president, joe biden, who will talk about historic things we have been able to do. whether it is environment, our infrastructure, building safer communities, protecting , socia security and medicare. then you will see somebody who wants to cut taxes for the wealthy. on day one roll back all the advances we have made on climate. on day one, be ada dictator. these are his own words. i think in this debate, what you will see is what joe biden and kamala harris have done but also what we can together do to move this ogcountry in the future. >> i suppose we are going to talk a will a little bit about what that looks like. stick around for that. we want to get into more about the upcoming two year anniversary of the fall of roe verses wade. in the next hour, congress woman delbene will join us to

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tomorrow marks two years since roe verses wade was overturned by supreme court. the biden administration is sending officials out across the country to mark the day including vice president harris who will hold events in

maryland and arizona. meanwhile, donald trump is acknowledging his role in overturning the federal constitutional right to abortion. here he is speaking yesterday to a christian conservative group. >> i want to thank the six supreme court justices, thomas, alito, amy coney barrett for the courage they've shown on this long time contentious issue. it's been a long time. getting it back to the states puts the question where it belongs with vote of the people and over time it will work out. it's working out right now. >> delaware congress woman is back with us. >> as if the shout outs from the stage were not proof enough, i want you to listen to a spirited exchange simone had yesterday with kevin roberts, one of the architects of

project 2025. >> we believe imminently in women's rights and particularly women's rights in the womb. the real question you should be asking. >> if i may. i do ask the questions. >> supporting that abortion can happen until three days after the person is born. >> that is absurd. as a person with a womb, that does not happen. dr. roberts, does heritage and project 2025 believe a woman should be able to have an abortion if her doctor says she needs one? yes or no. >> abortion is not healthcare. >> so that is no? >> abortion is murder of a human. >> i don't know what it means to have an abortion three days after a baby is born. he said it. he does not think abortion is healthcare. if a woman shows up saying i am about to die, he wants medical professionals to say i am

sorry, can't help you. >> you know, this blows my mind that we are even having this conversation. the fact that a constitutional right was taken away from us, the fact that women are having to travel across state lines to get the healthcare access that they need or that doctors are potentially criminalized, over 20 states in this country have these bans, and we know that ultimately the goal, and it is in project 2025, is to have a nationwide ban on abortion. what the slippery slope of that is, i mean, we already know the conversations about contraception, the thought about taking away ivf. for me, this isn't just a policy issue or a political issue. i think for people across the country, they feel this way. it is personal. it is personal. i literally am a grandmother

today because of ivf. so for me, it's one of the reasons why i am running for the senate. i want to make sure we protect our reproductive freedoms. they're saying this is not even the quiet out loud. this is on full display in what they have written and what they have said and what they're doing. it is incumbent upon us to use our vote and our power. we have already been doing it at the polls. i think you are going to see it happen in november as well. we are going to show our power. >> these are not theoretical -- that wasn't a theoretical question that i asked dr. roberts. >> it was a real question. >> very practical. he is not a medical doctor. he is a phd, not md. i don't know if that makes it better or worse. the supreme court right now, we are waiting, one of the 14 decisions we are waiting on is a case out of idaho about

emergency medical treatment and act of labor act, it is a law congress passed that requires people to get stabilizing medical care if they show up at an emergency room. basically idaho is saying, and not just idaho, idaho is at the supreme court but other states and attorney generals feel this way, i believe. look, if a pregnant woman shows up as noted we shouldn't have to save her. need to save the baby. you can't perform an abortion. this is not a drill. i am wondering as you are traveling throughout delaware and across the country, are you hearing more stories like these? the woman in the parking lot, women at emergency rooms. are you hearing the stories? >> yes. simone, this is life or death. i shared a little bit about my

children, my son and my daughter-in-law going through ivf. all these shots, all this work to bring my beautiful granddaughter into this world. two years ago on christmas day into the pregnancy my daughter- in-law's water broke. she presented into an emergency room. that hospital could not, would not do what needed to be done medically to save her life. so for me again, i carry not just my family's story, i am carrying stories from around my state and around the country. i have had democrats, republicans, and independents say i voted for you because of this, this issue, making sure that we strengthen. just because it is safe in your state, the goal is a nationwide abortion. the goal is to attack contraception and now we are talking about ivf. it is truly life or death.

the republicans own this. they own this. >> to that point, congress woman, and i would love to get your thinking on this aspect of it, i have always thought since the fall of roe, the very gross miscalculation of the bi fur indicated messages, one as we heard donald trump saying return it to the states. then lindsey graham literally a couple days, 24 hours after roe falls saying we want a national ban. in the context of the story you told are stories of a lot of republican women. we saw that narrative in kansas, ohio. we are about out of time but i just want to get your sense of how that story is not just a story of democratic women. >> right. >> but it is the story of all women. i know a lot of prolife women who stand in the breach going this is a breach too far for

me, my daughter, my granddaughter. >> i mean, again, i think this is the moment where we have to use our power and say you will not control us. you will not tell me when, if, how to have a family. i have heard it from democrats, republicans, independents, women and men. men also are concerned about this issue. i think it's going to be demonstrated at the ballot box. for me this is why the supreme court, who sits on the court is important and why senate is important, why i am running for the senate. if people care about even our movement go to lisabluntrochester.com. help find out about what we are trying to fight for. i am doing this not just for today, i am doing this for my granddaughter, for the women, the ones speaking out across the country. it affects all of us. and we are going to show it at the ballot box. >> we'll be watching because in less than four months people

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it really doesn't matter. if there is a woman who is in the reproductive age, then her life is at stake during this election. it does not matter if you have never voted democrat in your life, you know, get off your high horse because women, we don't get to choose, you know, a whole lot. you at least can choose who you vote for. there is a lot of things that need to be worked on. and we can't get it all done. but at the least we can get out of women's business when it involves their healthcare. i said i am pro minding your own business. live your religion, live it loudly but don't expect your religion to make the laws. >> madam vice president two years to the day row was overturned, what's at stake in the election? >> i agree. everything is at stake.

fundamentally on this issue, it is about freedom. and every person of whatever gender should understand that if such a fundamental freedom such as right to make decisions about your on body can be taken, be aware of what other freedoms may be at stake. >> the small percentage of the country that is prolife because predominantly numbers show that people support abortion across the board nationally, can you explain that abortion is not just for people who are pregnant? this is healthcare. >> it is healthcare. >> dr. harris. >> exactly. correct. you are right in that this issue really does present a healthcare crisis in america including the fact that i am as it turns out the first vice president, no president has

visited a reproductive care clinic. >> right. >> one of the reasons i went to the clinic was to highlight that in the clinics that are trusted in the community, you can get a pap, breast cancer screening, hiv screening. the things that people want to be able to walk into a healthcare facility and be treated with dignity and without judgment so they can address their healthcare concerns. that's what these clinics do. in states where they've passed the trump abortion bans, the clinics are closing which means there is a reduction of essential healthcare across the board for a lot of people. >> if you are wondering why she's referencing 9-year-olds, 12-year-olds it's because she became a reproductive advocate after being raped by her step father as a child. she miscarried. this issue is very personal to her and a lot of american women.

>> and i would say it is no small thing that the vice president of the united states of america is using her time and bully pulpit of the vice president see to see this to hadly, to elevate her story, to validate, underscore and support what she's saying. it is remarkable. frankly, i caught it. she said i don't care if you voted for a democrat before, hadly is like look now, talking to republican ladies out there. >> that's i think that's an important aspect that gets sort of washed over by a lot of folks particularly on the republican side of the isle. they believe that everyone is sort of lock step on this and they're not. a lot of republican women have been repulsed by aggressive attack on women's bodies, wombs, their choices, criminalizing their behavior. they know as do honestly a number of the congressmen and senators who supported this crazy as well as state

representatives that their own families are probably giving them an ear full but they're caught up in the political moment. this is an important message by hadly on that aspect of it. >> absolutely. watch more on monday, folks. next, an nbc presidential historian will help us set the stage for the debate. follow our show on social media. our handle is@theweekendmsnbc. . thankfully, tide's the answer to almost all of them. why do we even buy napkins? —use tide. —can cold water clean white socks? it can with tide. do i need to pretreat guacamole? not with tide. this is chocolate, right? —just use... —tide... yeah. no matter who's doing it, on what cycle, or in what temperature, tide works. so i can focus on all the other questions. —do crabs have eyebrows? —ahh... for all of life's laundry questions...

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donald trump is making more excuses ahead of thursday's high stakes presidential debate. last night in philadelphia trump baselessly claimed friend would be, quote, jacked up on performance enhancing cruz during the debate. okay. well, that comes as "new york

times" reports after spending months questioning biden's ability to endure a 90 minute debate let alone at peak level, trump has himself to reset higher expectations. >> michael, it's good to see you. debates are always sort of a mixed moment in the pathway to the presidency. my experience and i know simone has had a lot of direct experience in this space. >> for sure. >> there is a lot of preparation, a lot that gets said. it boils down to the two individuals on the stage. contextualize for us, i think this debate at least takes me back to nixon and kennedy on a stage with two men, no audience, a journalist asking the question and the nation

watching. very different from what we have seen in the last 35 years. >> totally agree. if you have donald trump for instance who thinks he is not getting enough attention, he can't scream during joe biden's response or appeal to an audience of his people who will predictably clap, that's noise that will not be here. i love your comparison to 1960 because i would say there have been three debates that counted. 1960. john kennedy went in as a senator from massachusetts. nixon had been two terms and world famousment people said kennedy seems like nixon's equal but he really did better in many parts of the debate. number two would be in 1976, second debate between gerald ford and jimmy carter. ford was president and was

saying jimmy carter is this one term governor of georgia. we are fighting a cold war, serious problems. ers not up to it. that was the debate in which gerald ford says there is no soviet domination of eastern europe and never will be under ford administration. he meant something different but sounded as if he didn't know what he was talking about and it took his advantage away. point three and i will stop. ronald reagan verses jimmy carter ten days before the election. reagan's polls showed a lot of undecided voters, especially women and moderates who were ready to vote for reagan but thought he would be too likely to get into a war and was too extreme. reagan goes in and makes a studied effort to say how much he hates war, has grandsons, is moderate in temperament. overwhelmingly the undecided in the last ten days shifted from undecided to reagan and he won

in a near landslide. >> this is highly unusual because we are talking about a june debate between two general election candidates. another way in which this is unusual we had exclusive nbc reporting, donald trump telling one of our reporters his vp pick is likely to be at the debate, will not tell us who it is, but likely to attend. the fact that the conversation is being had. the fact that the names being floated as the narrow list advances, maybe marco rubio, people that will carry his water on authoritarianism, not challenge him, is the tell. >> that's the safe bet. he wants to be a detectiver and the number two better play ball. i wonder what this will be like in this new format. are they going to roll in a box and vp nominee will jump out like a jack in the box. >> the birthday cake, love

that. >> absolutely. i won't quite go there. the point i am making is that under the old format with the audience, you could do it. in a studio, could you imagine kennedy verses nixon and some vice presidential candidate comes rolling into the room and tries to take the attention away. it's getting more weird. >> they would all jump in the box. >> i think it sounds to me like donald trump is looking for or yet the reporting is dictating he is looking for moments that can detract from what is going to happen on the stage, michael. that can speak to other pieces. we have seen donald trump in rallies, looking at him in local interviews. the through line is not necessarily there. it is kind of all over the place. is there any historical -- this

is just crazy. is there anything history can tell us about what is going to happen thursday? are we in for a history making debate? >> if it works for joe biden, we are. the best thing he can do is get voters who are undecided right now. and this is not a biden voter or trump voter or partisan party member. these are people who are on the fence. if he can go to them an convey, i understand why people voted for donald trump. there were a lot of problems in 2016 and he was a different person. but this is eight years later. you have seen how he performed during the pandemic. he has been convicted of multiple felonies. he is not what he was and he is not up to the job of being president. if people watch that for 90 minutes and undecided voters conclude that trump doesn't make it to the group who can be likely and effective next president, joe biden will have

done his job. >> the man who gives us the history, michael, thank you so much. appreciate you being on. >> wonderful to see you as always. urgent ex tent to extend the gag order as threats against manhattan d.a. bragg and colleagues get worse. that's next on the weekend. ken (vo) sail through the heart of historic cities

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manhattan d.a. is urging the judge to extend the gag order in the new york criminal case. a new filing from d.a. alvin bragg sites 56 actionable threats logged by nypd against bragg, family, employees since april directly connected to trump's rhetoric. here are a few of the threats, quote, we will kill you all. you are dead. your life is done. one post even showed sniper cross hairs on people involved in the case. trump and congressional allies have yet to condemn any of the threats. joining us is former fbi general counsel, nyu law professor, cohost of the prosecuting donald trump podcast, and nyu law professor melissa murray, co-authors of the number one "new york times"

best selling back, trump indictments, charging documents with commentary. >> i was like yes! as he was reading. okay. look, i was very struck by the fact that the da's office has argued it should be in place for d.a. staff, for family members and that it should remain for jurors but not for the witnesses. given what we now know about the threats and real danger frankly that a number of the folks have been put in, where do you think this is going to come down, andrew, just given the stakes here. they're just very high. they not high for the witnesses? the people that took great personal risk to themselves to testify against the ex president, brought him to the conviction in the first place.

>> i think that is a really fair comment because though you can worry about obviously the witnesses during the trial, if you say that any future witnesses, we'll protect you during the trial but after trial, you are on your own. that will have an effect on them in terms of willingness to come forward and do their duty. remember usually they're subpoenaed to testify and shouldn't have to suffer repercussions. i think what d.a. bragg was doing here was really trying to balance various interests including first amendment interest that people have to speak and to hear the former president. they do pointedly note there are other avenues for witnesses to vindicate their rights not just in civil suits. let's remember that the statements that michael read,

those threatening statements if made to witnesses or anyone else are criminal acts. if you threaten to kill somebody, that can be prosecuted under new york law. so one of the ways you can protect witnesses, jurors, da staff, is to be vigilant about bringing the cases. we have seen that at the state and federal level. i think we need to see it happen more if we will try and deter this behavior. behavior emanating from the former president of the united states. >> let's talk about that behavior because i want to read from the da's memo on why it should be denied. people note that defendant's motion once again includes a number of categorically false accusations. defendant claims that the district attorney is acting in concert with defendants electorial opponent and unspecified cast of associates in effort to restrict speech at up comingment chalcedony

debate. defendant offers no factual basis and there is none. the claim is a lie. this is echos in the florida case. the idea that there is some government working to the to suppress donald trump's right to free speech. it is bogus and important that it is called out. >> i think it is important that it's called out. one is a matter of civic education. donald trump keeps talking as though it is orchestrated through biden white house when we know that the manhattan da is a local prosecutor and federalism call for between the federal administration of the president and what happens at the local level. by itself it's an educated moment which is good. but there is a balancing going on. the judge has to take into account donald trump's right to campaign and vigorously represent himself but not to the point where he is allowed to lie on the campaign trail. that can't be protected.

this is a good opportunity to educate the public and make clear to the judge who will be sentencing donald trump that all this has to be taken into account when you think about how to weigh the conviction and what comes after. >> andrew, i want to sort of pivot off of melissa's point back to your assessment of this. i agree with you that when you send a threatening note, you will kill someone, or send a sniper's cross hairs visual to someone and threaten them the way a lot of witnesses and others have been threatened, you would think the system would do something. but here we are again. it's a little bit tiring right now. you get to the point where it's like what's the point? you've got this criminal defendant who seemingly can flap his lips about anything. but then have that reinforced

by phalanx of mindless zombies who also carry forward those threats. why aren't we seeing more aggressive -- if you don't want to shut the man up by putting his behind in jail which i have called for for about six months now, then why aren't we seeing more aggressive prosecution of those that make the threats to send the message that it is serious and, b, we play hard to. we are coming to be sure that the rule of law is not intimidated by your threats. >> that is a great point. i agree that this is an area if i were in the da's office, if i were the attorney general, i would make a priority of prosecuting these threats in the same way that they made a priority of prosecuting january 6 cases that you have to deter this kind of behavior. the one sort of positive is that we do have a sentencing

coming up of the former president. as melissa noted rightly, all of this is sag that can be brought up and factored into the sentence that judge marshon imposes. you noted at the out set if you want to have a sense of donald trump's intent here, if he is not thinking this is a good thing, then why on god's green earth has none of his enablers and accolades are they saying a word to say there shouldn't be this conduct, these threatening statements. it's like the january 6 case where the inaction tells you what donald trump's intent is here, that he wants to see this kind of threatening behavior. if i am the da, that is one of the leading points i make in terms of the sentence here that is about to be imposed in a

couple weeks. >> we've got about 30 seconds. through a legal lens given the context of the gag order, what are you watching for on thursday night? >> i am watching for whatever donald trump says. he's obviously got a bully pulpit that night and he will be doing the most as he always does but i think i will be looking for whether or not he is making outlandish claims, making veil and maybe not say veil threats about prosecutors, courtroom staff, all the people, the jurors who played a part in actually doing the work of the people hearing the case. >> you are sticking with us, kicking off our next hour with a preview of the big week ahead. also joining us is biden harris campaign director and congress woman belvane.

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