okay. here's a question that you don't normally hear a candidate it asked at one of his final campaign stops before a presidential debate. that's a fair question. after all, the debate is on thursday, and trump's sentencing for 34 felony convictions is exactly 2 weeks after that.

>> it doesn't bother me. we have a corrupt group of people. and you know what? it's really working out the other way. we just got the highest poll numbers we've ever had. they cheat so much, it helps us in the end. because if we don't win, our country is finished. >> allow me to finish. if we don't win, that i'm worried about going to prison. and he kind of should be worried. because as serious as the new york convictions are, the much more serious charges are still hanging out there. and for all of his talk about a corrupt system, he is sure getting a lot of help on that front right now. just take a look at exhibit a in the new york times this week. after trump appointed judge eileen cannon was assigned to the classified documents case

last june, two of her more experienced colleagues on the bench urged her to pass it up and headed off to another judge. judge cannon refused. they handled pretrial motion slowly. it's almost as if those judges who encouraged her to decline this case you how all of this would play out. judge cannon has proved to be so biased in trump's favor, she is effectively putting the prosecution on trial on friday. claiming that special counsel jack smith's appointment was, get this, unconstitutional. and if that argument sounds far- fetched to you, you would not be wrong. as many legal experts will tell you, it's a kind of longshot challenge that would be thrown

out by any other judge. it is without basis in law, it is without precedent, and it has been shot down by, okay, similar judges in many other cases. but apparently, judge cannon just had to have a hearing about it. it's the last delay tactic for a judge was wasted countless months on frivolous motions. she has all but refused to allow trump's case to go to trial, and still -- still -- hasn't even set a date for the trial to begin. when it comes to the help that trump is giving from the bench right now, that is exhibit a. but then there is exhibit b, which of course, is the supreme court. it has been two months since the court heard oral arguments on trump's ridiculous claim of presidential immunity. and now there is just one week left before the end of their term, and there is still no decision. sure, they have a lot on their

docket. we understand that. but they have a pretty straightforward question in front of them. is a president above the law? and it's a question they have answered before. in 1974, president richard nixon made a similar argument at the height of the watergate scandal. he didn't want to turn in those secret white house papers he had, but a judge told him he had to. when the issue made its way to the supreme court, the justices set a rapid timeline. they gave each party 21 days to file their briefs and 10 days to respond. the court then scheduled oral arguments for one week later. and then they issue their unanimous decision against the president just 16 days after that. folks, that is a total of 54 days. less than half the time that this current bench has taken since agreeing to hear trump's appeal. and we are still waiting.

so now, not only have judge eileen cannon and the justices on the supreme court lost the benefit, the american people have all but certainly lost the ability to see these cases go to trial before the november election. so that they can make an informed decision when they go to vote. and remember, trump is a guy who claims the system is rigged against him. starting us off today, former general counsel at the fbi, andrew weissman, and msnbc correspondent lisa rubin. welcome to you both. andrew, let's just start with you and the judge cannon and the new reporting from the times. i don't think i've heard anyone really kind of answer this aspect of this case. how unusual is it for a judge to ask another judge to give up a case? in this case, two judges weighed in and said, eileen,

stand down. >> is extremely unusual to have judges ask a coordinate judge to stand down. here, the reporting is that the chief judge of that district who would have that kind of responsibility would feel that sort of obligation. and it wouldn't be for political reasons. it would be the fact that the judge is, you know, quite inexperienced for a case of this nature. and of course, her inexperience shows, because she was reversed not once, but twice by the 11th circuit in the investigator phase. that inexperience is showing. even if you thought there was no bias, which i think there is lots of evidence four. even if you just thought of it in terms of inexperience, she has more pretrial motions backed up. we are in the height of the summer. a good way to think of this is,

this is like laguardia airport on a holiday weekend with planes stacked up on the tarmac waiting to take off. she has so many pretrial motions pending that she has not gotten to. and instead of saying, i really need help doing this, i could get a magistrate to help, i could get other judges to give me advice on how to handle it -- she is not doing and into that. she's keeping everything on her docket, and then says the reason i can't schedule a trial is because i haven't gotten to all of that work. >> it is absolutely amazing to me, lisa, in the sense that you got judge cannon, who seemingly is spending a lot of time scrutinizing everyone else in every other aspect of this campaign, of this trial. except the defendant himself,

who is accused of retaining illegally classified documents. what are we missing here? >> i don't think you're missing very much at all. in fact, one of the things that has folks like me scratching our heads is that in terms of how she is allocating her time to that backlog of motions that andrew was just discussing, she, for example, gave almost two full days of to the question of whether or not jack smith was lawfully appointed. when jack smith went to her and said, we need to modify trump's veil conditions because his speech is threatening the safety of people involved in the investigation. judge cannon said, literally, you can have two hours this coming tuesday. so the fact that she is allocating her time in the way that she is, given the gravity of the situation, jack's smith office just told her the other day, we need you to modify these conditions because there was a real threat aimed at an fbi official on june 11.

this is not speculative or conjectural. this is eminent and real. how is judge cannon spending her time? thinking about whether jack smith was lawfully appointed in ways that the supreme court and two circuit courts in recent years have already considered and rejected. it is just baffling, michael. >> baffling is an understatement when it comes to the actions of this particular judge, andrew, as lisa mentioned. there's also a hearing tomorrow that is going to deal with jack smith's request for a gag order on trump. given the fact that trump has been making these false claims that the fbi was out to kill him during the search of mar-a- lago, help us understand exactly what this is that we are watching unfold here. in his words, it sounds like there was something else going on here. a posse of, you know, significant and eminent

foreseeable danger to law enforcement is his argument, while donald trump is saying, no, they were coming to get me. how can judge cannon not justify taking action on this aspect of it ? >> i think here, she is playing with fire. there are two motions pending here having to do with donald trump's statements that can lead to sort of imminent danger. one is in new york related to the gag order there, the other is before judge cannon. and this one, as lisa pointed out, the judge has been so cavalier in the way that she has handled this, the timing of it, delaying actually having a hearing, initially even rejecting the filing was made on the ground that there wasn't sufficient conferral with the other side. that is the kind of sort of actions that i think if she rejects this, this application,

it will be something that i think jack smith will feel obligated to take to the 11th circuit. remember, that circuit has already ruled judge cannon twice in scathing language. if she does this again here, she has to know that that kind of behavior and that sort of disrespect for safety of law enforcement is precisely the kind of thing that jack smith will feel obligated to take up on appeal, and that is the kind of thing that could really get her, depending on the panel, the judges sitting on the matter in the 11th circuit, could really get hurt in hot water. and it could not be more serious. and it's the reason you see judges like judge merchan in new york taking such serious steps to make sure that the former president of the united states is not endangering people who are just doing their jobs. >> lisa, the final point to you.

there's a lot of frustration across the country with all of this. we are watching judge cannon slow roll this trial. you are watching the supreme court slow roll his decision on presidential immunity. a lot of americans feel that there is no recourse. we are sitting back, just watching this thing play out. with that in context for us, if you can. you have done some excellent reporting and coverage on this from the very, very beginning. i since have a feel for how this is translating for a lot of the american people outside of the bubble of either side. you know, the trump maga world and those who want to see it go down. real people are concerned about how this is playing out. >> i think one of the things, michael, that real people are seeing is that the late is the decision in some cases. that the delay, occasioned by,

for example, the supreme court not taking jack smith's invitation to have an appeal directly on presidential immunity, but instead hold off until the d.c. circuit ended, and really taking their time with the case. or judge cannon, slow walking all of the issues that continue to pile up before her. that in and of itself constitutes a real decision that folks are concerned about. i think the other thing that folks are concerned about is these people have lifetime tenure there is no recourse for delay. you can't appeal delay, nor can you ask for a recusal based on delay alone. the 11th circuit has recently been inundated with complaints from people in the public who said, you should remove judge cannon from this case based on the fact that she is failing to take action. and in a very short order, bill pryor said, look -- delay is not under our rules a basis for giving somebody out of -- you know, giving someone off a case.

i think the american people, if they are concerned about these types of delay, they are the ones who can take action. only their choices at the ballot box can start to reverse some of what we see as delay actually resulting in almost a decision in the former president's favor. the only way to reverse this is for people to take action themselves and elect a president who will appoint judges who will consider the rule of law and take it seriously. >> yeah. we are already point, lisa, where were talking about presidents appointing judges who would consider the rule of law. it tells you a lot about the times. andrew wiseman, lisa rubin. thank you very much. coming up next, folks, damning reports against trump written a

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>> with just a few days until the first presidential debate, we are seeing some new evidence that donald trump's felony conviction is having an effect. despite what fox news tells her audience day in and day out, her own poll released this week shows president biden is now leading trump 2 points. and that is in thanks, in part, an 11 point swing among independent voters over just the last month. it looks like donald trump's felony conviction does matter to folks. but, it also sparked big fundraising for trump. since the verdict, the maga faithful

have opened up their wallets, allowing trump and the rns need to overcome bidens cash advantage. pull movement in favor of biden, cash movement in favor of trump. those seem to be the trend lines, at least right now. but thursday's debate really could shake things up a bit, because it will be the first opportunity for voters to get a clear, unfiltered -- i mean raw -- view of these candidates and the potential choice they have to make this november. biden and his team appear to be taking this opportunity rather seriously, approaching the debate like cramming for a final. while trump and his campaign have opted for informal policy sessions, probably with little something on the side. trump and his allies are also trying to soften the blow in the event that biden performs well. they've even spent the last few weeks baselessly claiming that the president will use performance-enhancing drugs. seriously. they said that.

for those who may not remember, it's the exact same accusation that the trump team leveled at hillary clinton in 2016. so they are just recycling the same old swing. >> is anybody going to watch the debate? he's going to be so pumped up. >> is going to be all hyped up, hyper caffeinated, whatever it is. >> you're going to need to goose him and choose him. >> how is there more pep in his step? >> i don't want him coming in like the state of the union. he was high as a kite. a little before the debate time, he gets a shot in the --. i say he comes all juiced up. >> just crass, but we all know that. and when you need to feel like you have a spot off conspiracy and say stuff like that, you're probably not feeling too confident about your own team and your own game and the guy

you are putting out front. so we will talk about that now with former communications director for president obama and the cohost of the podcast, how to win 2024, jennifer palmieri, and special correspondent for vanity fair and host of the fast politics podcast. let's start with you. you have been in the heart of campaigns. let's break this down just a little bit. we're trump and his supporters, joe biden is both people and old and can't put things together, can't communicate, can't talk, can barely stand, now is also taking performance-enhancing super drugs. am i wrong to think that lowering their bar the way they are trying to do right now is probably not going to be the best strategy for them? >> i think the problem is, is that they've spent years lowering the bar for biden, appearances and abilities in public settings.

it's not so much what they need to be concerned about on the trump side. it's not what their supporters think. their supporters are hearing trump say he's taking formants enhancing drugs, which is bonkers. i think for independence and the 4% of voters that are still undecided, they are seeing clips online and are manufactured or edited or doctored that appear to show biden not doing so well. so i think when they see him in real life at the debate stage as he was, at the state of the union, with that kind of energy and also that kind of fight -- he is really good at going back and forth. he is good with that. with trump, too, aside from trump not bothering biden, he knows how to be a schoolyard bully when he needs to be, too. and so i think what will hurt trump is the fact that they have spent months with sort of the general populace buying in that biden is not in as good a

shape as he is. >> i think that dynamic is underrated in terms of how it's going to land on thursday. and molly, i think that feeds into so much of what trump is about. he's about taking a handful of nasty, sloppy spaghetti and throwing it against the wall. he wants to see what is actually going to stick. you expect that type of behavior and efforts by trump on thursday , or is he going to come in and try to be presidential? >> i mean, it's not even nasty spaghetti. it's recycled spaghetti. these are the same things he said against hillary clinton. first of all, i don't know any drug -- i have a parent with dementia. there's no drug you can give them to make than normal, right? that is not a thing.

the whole idea here, the whole fantasy is completely beyond the pale. also, what i think is good about this debate is that biden world really made sure to get what they wanted to make it -- you know, because trump will never stop talking -- they have these muted microphones. biden will actually have time to speak, which i think is really important. i think biden world did a really smart job with the way they negotiated this. the reality is, the more people see trump, the more people remember what it was like in the million people who died of covid. and the cars lined up. that stuff may not have been directly trump's fault, what happened with covid, but it was when he was president. >> is a good point. and jen, my cohost on the i on the weekends had an interesting interview with the president of the heritage foundation. i want to play a bit of that

interview where we talked about immigration. let's take a listen. >> were ready to have the biggest mass deportation system ever in the history of america because it is unjust and illegal and evil, but more than 10 million illegal aliens have come to this country. >> what are these people doing now? >> a lot of them are committing crimes, like murdering a 12- year-old girl in houston. >> that's one out of 11 million. >> so it is no question that immigration is going to come up at this debate on thursday. and from a communications perspective, how would you advise the president to talk about an issue that republicans are very eager right now to emotionally charged their base with and to wrap around the president as a weight, as opposed to recognizing the fact that they actually stopped the

one reform that could have changed the whole nature of our situation at the border? >> just that, that there is a solution on the table that the president tried to get congress to accept, and it did not, and it failed for one reason, which is donald trump wanted to keep this issue alive is a political issue and told republicans to not support it. the president can talk about how he has requested more money for border patrol agents than any president and how he has done more to secure the border than any other president and congress has not followed up because trump said that we should not. as you know, last week, michael, the president took action building on the executive action that allows reimburse to stay here for an additional period of time to allow for people who have been here for 10 years and married so the citizenship is extended to another population. and, you know, that may seem like a small act to the people who have been here for more than 10 years.

but i think it cuts two ways politically to benefit biden. one is, thousands of people that applies to. 500,000 individuals. that could be 3 million. that is a real change that the president has made. compare that to trump, he tried to separate families. >> i think those last two points are very, very powerful ones. to make, jen. appreciate both you and molly coming on the program today to talk about all of this. thank you so much. coming up, the new trump's tapes making headlines all across the country. spoiler alert -- none of it is good for donald trump. we will discuss it all with the author who did conducted the interviews when we come back. c they're already there. they wear business sneakers and pad their keyboards with something that makes their clickety- clacking... clickety-clackier.

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the curtain on donald trump's time working on the apprentice. but it is also shedding more light on the person donald trump is now, because in his interviews with trump after he left office, he was sitting before a man who was clearly confused about a lot. and it is all on tape. for example, when trump in the spring of 2021 seemed to think he still had a say in u.s. foreign policy. >> the reason i'm doing this and devoting a lot of time to it, i have to get back up because, you know, doing the whole thing with the afghanistan. >> is also a moment where trump is clearly still struggling with timelines, because he suggests that joan rivers, who died in 2014, voted for him. >> joan said she was republican. did you know that? >> i thought she might have been a republican.

i know one thing. she voted for me, according to what she said. >> is also a more revealing moment that trump definitely wouldn't want to hear us know about. former celebrity per apprentice, trump actually acknowledged he lost the election but quickly caught himself. >> he did a good job. he was smart, cunning. he did a good job. >> are you guys still close? >> no, i don't think so. he is -- after i lost the election -- i won the election. he called me up three or four times. >> i lost the election. for all the things he can't keep straight, he did briefly get that one right. he is co-editor in chief of variety. his new book is apprentice in wonderland -- how donald trump

and mark burnett took america through the looking glass. this is incredible work, my friend. you include those moments in the book where trump has trouble with some facts and timelines. and that is really putting it kindly. what do you want readers of the book -- and the voters out there who are going to hear about this and take something from it, to understand about who this guy is right now. who donald trump is right now. >> thank you, michael, for having me. my book is based on six interviews i conducted with donald trump between 2021 in 2023. it's the most on the record access trump gave to the media since leaving the white house. it became very clear to me that he still looks at the world through the paradigm of reality tv. he became incredibly famous because of the apprentice, which aired in 2004, and he

views the presidency and his campaigns for the highest office in the land as extensions of reality tv. that's why when we hear him at his rallies and is talking about sharks or silence of the lambs and everyone is very confused, he's not interesting it governing or policy. he just wants to entertain people. it becomes much more clear what he is trying to accomplish. >> that is the scary part. i have been saying it since this whole thing began with him, going through that looking glass of reality tv for donald trump, because that is just the world he exists in. so in reaction to the book, what has that world been like in terms of responding to you? have you gotten some reaction from trump's orbit? i can't imagine they are thrilled with this book and the stuff you're putting out there right now. >> the trump campaign issued a statement. in the book, i write about how i

interviewed donald trump and he has no memory of our first conversation, which was a very jarring moment in our time together. the campaign wrote back that it was a very over-the-top statement, it actually was comical and made me laugh when i read it. but again, it's an extension of reality tv. they said that because i was a nobody, it didn't really matter. but this is like being on a reality show. it's like when you watch trump in the board room talking to dennis rodman, that's the way he conducts himself. and millions of americans like that. the way in which the biden campaign needs to approach him is as an entertainer, not as a traditional politician. >> i have been referring to this period of trumpism as a longest weekend at bernie's in history. and somehow, we are trying to figure out why and how. and you really put some light on that. because you have now framed it in the way trump sees it. this is entertainment.

this is just another episode that he wants to go through. when you first started the interviews, he hadn't been indicted yet. have you noticed a shift in his behavior since all of that happened? how has that reality affected his reality tv view of his presidency? >> when i first sat down to him, he had been impeached, but he hadn't been indicted yet. he was deflated, he was sad. he seemed like he was trying to find his place. he clearly missed the attention. when i sat down with them again in mar-a-lago last year, i thought he would probably be in a worse place, given everything that was happening to him. the civil fraud trial was happening in new york that day. but he was energized by the attention. and it became very clear to me that it didn't matter if it was good things or bad things. donald trump just likes things happening around him and he likes the attention.

>> he is an attention hog. ramin setoodeh, thank you so much for bringing this story to us. coming up, donald trump talks about the 10 commandments. folks, irony is officially dead. i've got some thoughts about that when we come back. local life and cultural treasures. because when you experience europe on a viking longship, you'll spend less time getting there and more time being there. viking. exploring the world in comfort. dupixent helps people with asthma breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. and when you can breathe better, what isn't better? this is better. this is better. that's better. and that. even this.

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>> all right. we got to talk about what's happening in louisiana, where this week, the states republican governor jeff landry signed a new law mandating that all schools, including taxpayer- funded public's rules, display the 10 commandments in every classroom. now, as outrageous as it seems, we should point out this kind of thing has been tried before. back in 1980, kentucky introduced a similar law, the supreme court struck it down. and of course, governor landry knows that.

but he also knows the current 6- 3 conservative super majority might be more super sympathetic if a challenge to his log gets to them. right before he signed the bill into law, he said, quote, i can't wait to be sued. first, it's pathetic to hear a sitting governor take pride in violating our constitution. it obviously, he sees an opening. and why wouldn't he, with this court? 2022, the court ruled in favor of a high school football coach who lost his job for praying after games. in a secret audio recording released just a couple weeks ago, justice samuel alito seemed to endorse the idea that america needs to return to a place of godliness. governor landry has every reason to believe this court could eventually side with him. and of course, he's already got the backing of the leader of the republican party. >> who likes the 10 commandments, by the way?

they think it is such a bad thing. i said, has anybody read -- has anybody read this? incredible stuff. it's just incredible. they don't want it to go up. it's a crazy world. >> seriously? thou shalt not steal? does a guy find half $1 billion for business fraud? and perhaps, just perhaps, someone should read the seventh commandment to donald trump, since he seems to have an aversion to getting into any of the specifics. remember this? >> i'm wondering what one or two of your most favored bible verses are. >> i wouldn't want to get into it, because to me, that's very personal. i don't want to get into it. >> is there a verse that means

a lot to you? >> the bible means a lot to me, and i don't want to get into specifics. >> old testament or new testament? >> probably equal. >> old testament and new testament. i like them both. but in public, when he's out on the stump, folks, he's just pandering to his christian national base. and here is my question for trump and governor jeff landry and that base that they are talking to. am i to presume that you now also support allowing our muslim brothers and sisters to place passages from the koran in public schools, or public squares in your community? don't worry. i will wait. but i think i know what your reaction would be. but they don't consider the double standards. of course they don't. for them, rules and laws need to bend to their will and their preferences. and what we are

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how is this going to improve the school environment? and the performance of kids in those schools when, governor, i pull up the report cards of these public schools, louisiana is struggling. it is at the bottom of the country. louisiana is 43, 44th in math and reading. so is this going to help what is a very big problem in louisiana? >> i think it's part and parcel to help the kids anywhere around the country if the states follow suit. but at the same time, we sign that bill into law and we signed a string of others. i signed 20 bills including this one to reform louisiana schools. >> it is just amazing, folks. that was jeff landry talking about a new law requiring the 10 commandments to be displayed in public schools in his state. and when you lose fox news on a

cultural issue like that, i think maybe you got a little bit too far. eddie, i've really been looking forward to talking to you about this. you and i have had these questions and discussions around questions like this for a while. do you get the sense that republicans -- members of my party are pressing their advantage here a little bit too much? they are going on the offense thinking that they can pull the country into this form of violating of their constitutional rights. >> i don't know if they think that they are getting ahead of their schemes, i'm not sure. i think they see a window, an opportunity to pursue an agenda. when i say they, i am talking about those that self identify as white christian nationalist. what is fascinating to me --

and you tell me if you think i'm wrong -- is this is kind of a character, an extreme version of what we saw in 1979 with folwell and the majority. when you think about what they were trying to argue against in terms of supreme court support decision to ban prayer from schools. we think about the ways in which separation of church and what the moral majority were doing. you think about abortion, the so-called attack on the liberation movement, and that kind of looseness of our culture, as it were. this is an extension in some ways of a long-standing cultural war that has been actually executed by white christians in certain ways. and so we have to understand its lineage as well as understand how it is functioning in the current moment. >> you just put your finger on the pulse of it, because i have been making the case for a while now that when you go back and you look at that evolution, it really began in that 76 to '80 period when reagan lost that

primary, and the moral majority by the end of that cycle had come to them. in 1980, they decided to embrace the moral majority movement, as it was emerging, by putting -- for the first time, the party put a cultural issue in its platform. and that was sort of giving leverage and opportunity to what has now flourished into what we see. so when you look at the reaction of someone like trump to this law and the reaction of others in this need, this desire to continue to pander to this christian nationalist base, which has emerged, what does it tell you about what we should expect from a second term when you have a president who is declaring up front that it is this form of christianity that we want to embrace and put forward for the nation?

>> that is such a great question. i think part of it, we need to expect an administration that is not just going to be driven by certain kinds of policies, but ideologically, existentially, they are going to try to yoke the culture, take the country back. get back to what they understand themselves, what they take the country to be. when you think about russell from the center for renewing america, when you think about william wolf, and what animates their politics. when you think about how they are influencing project 2025. project 2025 has a mandate for leadership. it has these volumes that are designed and aimed to impact government. this is an echo of the mandate for leadership in 1991. 3000 pages, 20 volumes. did it make up about 50% of the reagan revolution? we need to take this seriously as a kind of platform blueprint

for how this man will govern and how the full downstream will govern. >> it is interesting you put it that way, because you look at where we are, you got alabama republicans going after ivf, louisiana republicans going after secularism. so you've got this emerging ideology here. what do you think that means, and how does that -- how should it motivate the rest of us who are watching this? because this is our future, potentially. we have the president of heritage on yesterday on the weekend talking about this. what does it say that this is how they view america? and which of the rest of us be saying about that view? >> first of all, that was a brilliant interview yesterday. i think it's very clear that these folks have theocratic liens, that they are not true democrats. that they are not committed to the democratic

project as we understand it. and they understand that the demographic shows that the country, at the cultural shifts in the country, may politics such that the only way they can win is if they rigged the terms of the elections in certain ways. i think they are very much motivated by anti-democratic inns and ames. and if we don't understand that as americans, as those are not committed to such a worldview, that we are going to stand by and be complicit in their undermining of the very undermining of the basic principles of democracy. we need to see this as part and parcel of the threat. mike johnson is a theocrat. we are not. let's make the case at the polling booth. >> we will be right back. which gives you 72 hour odor protection from your pits to your- (sfx: deoderant being sprayed) secret whole body deodorant. hi. what's your name? this is our new friend. we'll talk about it later, ok?

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