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for tickets. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> proud boys, stand back and stand by. >> it was a presidential debate unlike any in american history. >> the question is, the question is -- will you shut up, man? >> tonight, the substance, style and stakes of this week's debate. >> he cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election. >> by way of the unbelievable event from 2020. >> a lot of people have died and a lot more will die unless he gets a lot smarter. >> don't ever use the word smart with me. >> then is the political ground actually shifting postconviction?

>> the guilty in the new york case, the movement is among independence. >> and the jaw-dropping new pictures from the man who did everything right. >> i did everything right and they indicted me. >> top-secret documents found stashed next to christmas tchotchkes and diet coke, when "all in" starts now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. we are two days away from the first presidential debate of 2024. a strange one in so many ways. it's coming very early, before the major party conventions, earlier than we've seen in years and also for the first time since ronald reagan was president it is happening without any involvement from the nonprofit commission on presidential debates. they've been basically cast aside. the show is being run by cnn and jake tapper and dana bash. there will be no live audience. there will be live coverage here on msnbc.

they are making it open to everyone to stream. now, the race between these two men is neck and neck in virtually every corner, like dead heat. an unprecedented high-stakes moment in the nation's history. all year long one of the themes of the show as we think about the election has been to go back and remember what it was actually like four years ago, because honestly i think we all blocked it out. 2020 is a blur for many reasons. a strange and traumatic. of our lives. it was also in donald trump was running as the actual incumbent president with an actual record and we would do well to remember that and remember that record. nowhere is that more true than when trump and joe biden got together that september for the first debate, which is where we start tonight. it was one of the most bizarre and shocking exhibitions by donald trump, by any politician ever, really, and we didn't even know the half of it at the

time. the global death toll from covid had just passed 1 million and the united states, with 4% of the worlds population, accounted for nearly 20% of total deaths. 200,000 people. there were no vaccines and no immunity. there were huge debates about schools and businesses reopening. restaurants, hotels and everything and what is and isn't safe and donald trump took the lead on urging people to get back out and boost the economy. the first debate was cohosted by one of the largest medical providers in the country under strict and painstakingly negotiated rules as the moderator, chris wallace, pointed out that evening. >> this debate is conducted under health and safety protocols designed by the cleveland clinic, which is serving as the health security advisor to the commission for all four debates. as a precaution both campaigns have agreed that candidates will not shake hands at the beginning of tonight's debate. >> a little time capsule, right? it turned out that bit about

the safety protocols was not true because what we now know is that donald trump had covid on stage at that debate. he tested positive and intentionally hit it from the debate organizers. trump also hid it from chris christie when the former governor helped him with debate prep in the same room, talking at each other for hours. christie, you may remember, had a case of covid that landed him in the icu for a week and left him literally fighting for his life again, i think we have all forgotten this. everyone remembers trump had covid and we learned he had covid, but forgot he had covid at the debate and it is the perfect example of donald trump's complete recklessness when it came to the virus. shedding virus everywhere, endangering everyone who came in contact with him including the man he was running against, at a time, again, when there was no vaccine to fight the pandemic, which was causing the

largest surge in all cause mortality and basically a century. in the middle of that trump's message was, i did great. the mac we got the gowns, we got the masks, we made the ventilators and now we are weeks away from a vaccine. we are doing therapeutics already. fewer people are dying. when they get sick, far fewer people are dying. we've done a great job. the only thing i haven't done a good job, that's because of the fake news. no matter what you say to them they give you the bad press. it is fake news. >> again, i can't stress this enough. at that very moment trump was spreading the virus he is claiming to have conquered, having kept that knowledge from everyone else. he knows he is positive, while joe biden was pushing the issue. >> look, you folks at home, how many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of covid? how many of you are in a situation where you lost your mom or dad and could not even

speak to them? you had a nurse holding the phone up so you could say goodbye. >> you would've lost far more people. >> by the way, his own cdc director says we can lose as many as another 200,000 people between now and the end of the year. if we just wear a mask we can save half those numbers. >> biden was right in a general sense about the importance of masks at that moment. it is worth remembering at that debate trump's entourage took their masks off after the got in the room after being asked to wear them. they refused to put them back on even after a doctor from the cleveland clinic requested the face coverings be used. who knows how many of his own people he infected. remember, there was no vaccine yet, even though trump was on stage claiming credit for a vaccine that had not yet been developed. >> we are going to deliver it right away. we have the military all set up, logistically. we have our military that delivers soldiers and they can do 200,000 a day.

>> this is the same man who told you by easter this would go away. by the warm weather it would be gone, like a miracle. by the way, maybe inject some bleach in your arm and that would take care of it. >> that was said sarcastically, you know it. >> here's the deal, this man is talking about a vaccine. every serious company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year, but the distribution of that vaccine will not occur until sometime beginning in the middle of next year to get it out, if we get the vaccine. and pray to god we will. >> mister vice president i want to pick up -- >> on that biden was right. the first vaccines got fda approval at the end of the year. did not get approval for broad use until after trump left office. by then another 200,000 americans have died from the virus as biden said would happen and as for the bleach, tell me if you think trump is being sarcastic. >> so, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether

it is ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and i think you said that has been tested. i'm suppose you brought the light inside the body, which you can do, in some other way and i you said you're going to test that, too. and then i see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute and is there a way we can do something like that. by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because it does a tremendous number, so it will be interesting to check that. >> just get some uv light up in those orifices. sarcastic? the reaction suggests those were genuine, earnest even suggestions.

but as much as the coronavirus dominated a lot, it was not the only contentious issue four years ago. that debate was being held, and i forgot until being reminded today, that was held 11 days after her supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg had died and just three days after trump announced his nomination of amy coney barrett to fill the vacancy on the court. everyone knew they would rush ahead to put her on the court, despite the fact they had done the opposite, mitch mcconnell, in 2016. at the time biden warned that the confirmation would put roe v. wade at risk. >> the president also was opposed to roe v. wade. that's on the ballot as well, in the court, so that is also at stake right now. >> you don't know it is on the ballot. why is it on the ballot? why is it on the ballot? it's not on the ballot. i don't think so. >> in the court. >> there's nothing happening there. you don't know her view on roe

v. wade. >> you don't know her view. conservatives love that one. you don't know her view on roe v. wade. everyone knew her view of course and of course she was in the conservative majority to end roe v. wade. something, four years later, trump was happy to take credit for. >> for 54 years they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated and i did it and i am proud to have done it. right? there would be no question. >> he could have just told the truth at the debate. perhaps he feared he would hurt her confirmation chances. overall as you've seen, how can i put this, let's say less than presidential. >> that's not true. >> gentlemen i hate to raise my voice, but why should i be different than the two of you? >> good point. >> we have six segments.

we vended that segment and were going to the next segment. in that segment to each will have uninterrupted minutes. you can say anything you want. i'm going to ask a question about race, but if you want to answer about something else, go ahead, but i think the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. i'm appealing to you, sir, to do that. >> and him, too. >> rankle you've been doing more interrupting. >> he does plenty. >> no, less than you are. >> that was a big thing. that was the worst part. >> sir, let me ask my question. >> by the way, i brought back big in football. it was me and i am very happy to do it. the people of ohio are very proud of me. >> mister president, i am the moderator of this debate and i would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer.

>> you are the last in your class. >> i want to make sure day >> mister president can you let him finish? >> he doesn't know how to do that. >> the question is -- >> the radical left -- >> would you shut up, man? >> who is on your list, joe? >> gentlemen, we have ended the segment. we are going to move on to the second segment. >> that was really a productive segment, wasn't it? >> the people understand -- >> joe biden breaking centuries of decorum to tell the president of the united states, will you shut up, man? fully deserved. trump brought the same sophomoric energy to the last part of the first debate in 2020. again, i kind of block to this out. i knew this had happened. questions about whether the election would be free, fair, and acceptable and already trump was sowing the seeds of

the big lie and all of the associated conspiracy theories that he lost. >> if you look at pennsylvania, if you look at certain states that have been shut down, they have democrat governors all. one of the reasons they shut down is because they want to keep it shut down until after the election. did you see what is going on? take a look at west virginia, mailing and selling ballots. they are being sold. they are being dumped in rivers. this is a horrible thing for our country. this is not going to end well. this is not going to end well. >> will you word your supporters to stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil unrest and will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified? president trump? >> i'm urging my supporters to go to the polls and watch very carefully, because that is what has to happen. i am urging them to do it.

as you know today there was a big problem. in philadelphia they went to watch. they are called poll watchers, a very safe, very nice thing. they were thrown out. they weren't allowed to watch and you know why? because bad things happen in adelphia, bad things and i am urging my people. i hope it will be a fair election. if it is a fair election i am 100% on board, but if i see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, i can't go along with that. i will tell you what it means, it means a fraudulent election. you send out 80 million ballots. these people are not equipped to handle it, number one. number two, they cheat. they found ballots in a wastepaper basket three days ago and they were military. they all had the name trump on them. >> yeah, remember when trump keeps saying this will not end well? an ominous sign of what was to come.

by the way, here is how joe biden answered the same questions. >> this is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because he is trying to scare people into thinking that it is not going to be legitimate. show up and vote. you will determine the outcome of this election. vote, vote, vote. if you are able to vote early in your state, vote early. if you are able to vote in person, vote in person. whatever way is the best for you, because he cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election and in terms of whether or not when the votes are all counted, that will be accepted. if i win that will be accepted, if i lose that will be accepted, but by the way if in fact he says he is not sure he is going to accept, let me tell you something. it doesn't matter, because if we get the votes it will be all over. he's going to go. he can't stay in power. it won't happen. so vote. >> you know how that all played out.

on january 6 with a capital insurrection as thousands of trump supporters led by militant groups like the proud boys, many of whom have been convicted of sedition, nearly tried to kill trump's on vice president to stop the certification of the election. bashing in the brains of cops, leaving them bloody. breaking windows. it is worth playing this portion of that first debate, the one you probably do remember. >> you have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups, but are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacist and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in kenosha and portland? go ahead, sir. >> i would say almost everything i see is from the left-wing, not from the right wing.

i am willing to do anything. >> then do it, sir. >> say it. >> what do you want to call them? give me a name. >> white supremacists. >> proud boys, stand back and stand by, but i tell you what, somebody has got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem, this is a left wing. >> antifa is an idea, not an organization. his fbi, his fbi direct or said. >> gentlemen -- >> stand back and stand by. all the warnings were there. it was all there. the first debate between donald trump and joe biden, before the election, before january 6, it was clear as day. as it has been, honestly, from the time he came down the escalator, but certainly that moment, who donald trump was and who he is about and what he

was going to do if he lost. right? he is the same man today doing a new election and a new debate four years later, although to be clear, not entirely the same. since then he is four years older and has been found liable for massive corporate fraud. he has been found responsible for sexually assaulting a woman and defaming her. 34 felony counts of falsifying business records for paying off women he had sex with to keep them talking before the election. he has three more criminal trials pending. he is manifestly even more consumed by revenge and conspiracy. he is also more addled, plainly, even then he was in 2020. and while the stakes of that election felt existential and they were, well, here we are again and the stakes are somehow even higher. it's not wet food. it's just real food. it's an idea whose time has come.

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for all of the anxiety around the biden/trump rematch this election year, it is a race that can really go any direction. that is true not just at the top of the ticket, but up and down the line. from other democrats hold a senate majority, take back the house, win the presidency, actually have a trifecta which is an absolute possibility or lose all three, which is a possibility. both of those. right now the polling as you can see his neck and neck at all levels, reflecting a bunch of things including how polarized we are as a country.

the debate will be the first main event of the campaign season not just in this race, but for all democrats in all races across the country. the chair of the national democratic committee joins me now. how important is this, do you think, not just for the joe biden and kamala harris campaign but for the democratic party as a whole? >> listen, i think it is even bigger than the democratic party. it is the nation. our and mental freedoms are on the ballot this november. you know, chris, you did a great job taking us down memory lane. i want to go back a few years before that in 2016. remember when donald trump said you should vote for me, what do you have to lose? well, we now know the answer to that. one third of women in this country now do not have reproductive freedom. they do not have the rights to control their own health care

decisions and we know what donald trump wants to continue to do. this is a guy who said he wants to be a dictator on day one. what president have we ever heard those words uttered out of their mouths? we've had bad presidents in history, but this guy is the absolute worst because he has said he wants to go after medicare and social security. he said he wants to go after the audible care act. we know he went after voter protection in this country. we know that he wants to eliminate, in project 2025, they want to eliminate the department of education, so if you have kids that have special needs you need to be worried about this man that wants to get back into the white house. because he does not want to get back into the white house to help people. that is what joe biden does every day, he thinks about how to make this country better for all of america's people. donald trump wants to go back for payback, for retribution, for revenge. it is all about him and not

about the american people, so this is much bigger than democrat versus republican. this is about america, the america we love and cherish and whether or not that continues after the election in november. >> that first answer from you is interesting because i think it speaks to something that i have heard from democrats and nancy pelosi would do this all the time during trump's first term, which is trying to keep the focus on the sort of tangible policy questions. should the department of education be abolished or not? should the affordable care act be repealed? should we raise the retirement age on social security, something that the head of project 2025 went on camera to say yes we should, right? one of the challenges is keeping the terrain on these concrete, tangible questions of governing, whichever side you are on, because trump doesn't really engage at that level, right? how do you think about that? how do you think about what role president biden has and

how he maintains a kind of substantive debate in the atmosphere of a man who is going to be not that different i think then we saw in the clips we just played? >> i think president biden in this debate has to cut through the trump luster and really speak directly to the american people. the person that you choose for president, how will they impact your life for the next four years? how will they impact the lives of the people you care about? your children, your parents, your grandparents? those in your community. that has to be the focus. we have to make it personal and has to speak to hearts and not just minds, because we can have that policy discussion on a brain level, right? on a policy discussion level, but how does that impact the quality of life that you live? and i think if president biden has that conversation, we will win this outright, because that contrast is the most important. we have to remind people what

all of the accomplishments that joe biden has done. let people know how he wants to finish the job, but he also is to paint the contrast with this loser, this convicted felon donald trump. a man who has been given every opportunity in the world and has failed in every single one. he was a horrible businessman. bankruptcy three times. he tried to sell water and vodka and all of that deal. he was a horrible president. you laid out how horrible he was, dealing with covid. how horrible he was in terms of january 6. how horrible he was at ripping away the rights of women to control their own bodies and he has been a horrible post-president. this is a man convicted 34 times and still has lawsuits and criminal suits that are still pending. that is not who we want our kids to look up to as president of the united states and that is why i'm going to do everything

in my power, chris, to make sure we are getting out there, on the ground. i've been from alaska to north carolina and we will continue to go across this country let folks know if they believe in freedom, the only choice is joe biden and kamala harris. >> chair of the democratic national committee, thank you for your time. >> thank you, my friend. coming up, hoarders, mar-a- lago edition. new photos of documents mixed together with a whole lot of junk. that is ahead. clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease. a new toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. i love that my daughter still needs me. but sometimes i can't help due to burning and stabbing pain in my hands, so i use nervive. nervive's clinical dose of ala reduces nerve discomfort in as little as seven days. now i can help again feel the difference with nervive.

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joe biden and donald trump, both men who have been president. one who is now and one who was, are going into their first debate of the selection with polling in a dead heat. for trump there was a question over whether his conviction of 34 felony counts would change things and there was not a swing, but i think it is clear that it has had an effect on the market, which even karl rove said over the weekend. >> there has been a sense that the may 30 guilty verdict in the case, the movement is among independence and they have moved in recent polls roughly nine points towards biden and that is where it is coming from. >> michelle goldberg is an opinion columnist for the new york times. and they join me now. i will start with you, because we talk about this a lot. is there going to be any movement? i think in total now that we have a lot of data and

aggregated poles, it is clear there has been some movement toward biden since the conviction and it is very little, but again, elections can be decided day >> a nine point swing is actually pretty significant and it is interesting because this is exactly what voters told pollsters in the run-up to the conviction. they kept saying, will it change your opinion of donald trump if he is convicted? will it change your vote if he becomes a felon? a significant number of voters kept saying yes it would and i think it is hard to believe. everybody's views are so static and it is a little bit astonishing that that would give you information about trump you didn't feel like you had previously, but for people who were more checked out, who were not following the trial, i think a lot of them either were surprised where there is a certain segment of voters, the same voters who were really upset when the case against hillary clinton was reopened, shortly before the election and said we can't have somebody under investigation, it would be too chaotic.

>> they sort of question about if these independent swing voters exist and they do, there is just a very small number of them. it is hard to model what they would be looking for in this debate, but i wonder what your sense is. >> well, watching the extended clips from the first debate that you played, first of all, was really kind of miserable to watch. >> like genuinely upsetting. >> the headache returned and i do think viewers should be prepared for that. it is going to be an unpleasant thing and that doesn't mean day >> a great t, mckay. >> but i think what biden is probably hoping for is to get that trump. there has been a lot of discussion about which trump will show up at the debate. will he be restrained and some dude or will he be the one

ranting about conspiracy theories and interrupting and wounded and wrathful. i have to say, i know there have been situations in which trump has been subdued and i can't recall a single debate in which he has been able to do that and i think it will be fairly easy biden to elicit that trump. as for what independence will be looking for, i think we saw in 2020 that they don't like that version of donald trump, the real donald trump. to the extent that trump is trying to re-litigate the election again, just a complete loser of an issue, to the extent that he is re-litigating his grievances and acting like a general kind of jerk, i think that will hurt him with those voters. i think that any of us will try to sit here and pretend to say i know what biden needs to do to wind -- to win back

independents are probably fooling themselves. >> there is one thing you identified that i think is important and part of why we played those extended bits, michelle. i think the way that trump has been refracted through memory is often addled and buffoonish, but almost as a kind of comedic figure. even the shark battery riff is like look at this doofus and i think the part of his personality you saw a lot was nasty, wrathful. >> frightening. >> frightening. that i think is actually really important. we will see if that part of him comes back, but that is a really important part of his personality, a driving part of his personality that i don't think people have seen as much. >> right and donald trump has benefited from the fact, we talked about this before, he is not the president the way he used to be. i don't think very many people are carrying his rallies live. we are not seeing him call on

his supporters to beat up protesters. we are not seeing him make fun of disabled people and also he is in his own little bubble on social media with truth social, so some of the craziest things he says are only going out to this very devoted base and so people forget and they also remember that as harrowing as the end of the trump residency was, it's sort of kind of turned out okay, so the real fear that people felt, like this could all go off the rails, is very hard, i think, to summon again until you watch the clips. >> i do think that if i were the biden campaign, what worries me most, mckay, is when, sometimes, it is very inconsistently applied, but there are times when trump or the people around him have a nose for the middle or to play against type. i remember one of these was the swearing-in ceremony of new citizens at the white house at the rnc, which they held at the white house,

but i was like, that's good, that's smart. going against type. doing things like that. i'm very curious how much of that we see in this debate because that is where i think he is at his strongest politically if he ever does and of course it means nothing, substantively, but symbolically or just as a show, that is the thing i will be looking for as well. >> no, i think you are dead on. you remember that the way that he won the republican primaries in 2016 was by running against paul ryan and kind of these unpopular elements of republican orthodoxy that he just gleefully shredded and it was part of the thing that made him different and stand out from the crowd. there were a lot of things in the 2016 primary field, but also i think that looking back

on it it was one of the things that propelled him to victory in 2016, that he had this uncanny ability to be both absurd and outrageous and angry and mean, but then also in his policies and in certain kind of gestures, he was able to convince people that he was actually not as extreme as certain elements of the party and for people that are not paying close attention, those small gestures and policy proposals, even after your point they don't mean anything once he takes office, they mean a lot in the moment. >> that is one of the things to look for. michelle goldberg and mckay coppins, thanks both. i appreciate it. coming up, we have new court filings that show just how messy, i guess is the word i will use, donald trump was with those classified documents that he stole. government secrets stashed next to diet coke. but first, a special announcement for all of you msnbc vans at home and i think there are quite a few of you

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we have new pictures from mar-a-lago that capture the sheer disorder of the place where donald trump stashed classified documents for the white house in 2021. there were a bunch of documents mingled in with golf shirts and printer paper. like a college student cleaning out their dorm room at the end of the

semester. there was this box of classified material right next to a 2019 sunday business section. there were other records like this unsigned letter to a sandy hook family found in a closet sitting casually next to a case of diet coke surrounded by trump pictures and swag. you can see this mixed in with old clothes and hoarded newspapers. both of these pictures show boxes of classified material spilled out over the floor. the whole reason we are seeing these pictures is because they are a part of a filing responding to an attempt by trump's lawyers to throw the whole case out based on how investigators handled the documents. trump personally chose to keep documents containing some of the most highly guarded secrets in cardboard boxes along with other personally chosen keepsakes along with other sizes and shapes. christmas ornaments magazines, photographs. the boxes had no

apparent organization whatsoever. a former federal prosecutor served as deputy chief and she joins me now. there is the sort of absurdity of the conditions of which all of this was stored. we're getting more evidence about too. i found it even more absurd the filing from trump's lawyers the seriousness of which eileen cannon appears to be taking it and jack smith's motion. what are trump's lawyers arguing? >> that is the problem because their argument has evolved. initially it was declassified everything i told my lawyers i told all of my national security people i declassified it. and then it was i selected personal items. >> like the priest at the communion, it was kind of a transformation of the substance of the thing >> that was the first argument and then it was i personally selected these and because i brought them to my residence

they became personal. and then it was the fbi planted them and i didn't know anything about them and now it is this well, i need to know the order of the boxes because maybe some of them were buried and i didn't see them or maybe because it is next to this letter i wouldn't know the date and then maybe it was old and forgotten. they are all over the place. >> they also sang, we need you to throw all of this evidence out because it was not like orderly enough in the way that it was taken? >> yes. which isn't really anything. it would have been impossible as you are transporting boxes to make sure you keep the christmas ornament in the exact spot. >> there is no standard for that. i don't even understand what the legal argument was. >> they did keep integrity within the box.

all of the context of the boxes there. you just don't know the precise order of it. there is no law saying that you have to. we know that these things were basically kept together and that is relevant for the prosecutors. it shows, look how reckless he maintained these materials. the fact that they are in with all of these personal items shows that he was not taken the care that needed to be taken with the classified material. >> eileen cannon has been running her supreme court in florida situation. today was another day where they again, this stuff could be done and motions practice it seems like you don't need it days of arguments on this but again sort of dressing down the prosecutor, i don't appreciate your tone. all of this stuff being basically kind of still kept up in the air with no decisions on it so nothing can be done with it what is your sense of back? >> at the end of the hearing today was the first time there

was a very unremarkable hearing on a very basic issue that could've been decided on the papers. one of jack smith's prosecutor said something remarkable. he called out the charade and said the purpose, the defense strategy here is to cast discussions on the government, on law enforcement. felt that we are doing here. there just here to air their grievances publicly. the prosecutors are saying that's not fair, she said thank you and concluded the hearing. she didn't want to hear it, she shut it down. but that's what's going on here. it is political theater it's not really anything you would expect to be happening in a case. >> in some cases with let's say immunity, in the immunity motion there is a novel constitutional issue in the supreme court. but, stuff gets taken. there classified documents cases all the time in search warrants executed. i don't actually understand how this motion makes any sense

legally. is this -- do defendants do this all the time? >> all the time. >> oh, they do. >> you can bet your bottom dollar that the defense attorney is going to file a motion saying there's something wrong with the search warrant and therefore the agents acted improperly, it was too broad and therefore it should get all of the evidence that was seized should get thrown out. here there was really no there there. it was too broad they said and they said rightly, it is just taking classified materials. and then they said they went to too many different rooms and they said well they didn't get anything so what is your prejudice, what is the legal issue. by the way, that is a crazy argument considering the fact that they were found in a ballroom and in a bathroom. >> in the crazy places, my favorite of the boxes, do we have the bathroom shot, the one in the bathroom behind the tension rod that would be about a dollar 99 tension rod shower

curtain. >> it is just absurd, for them to even be raising these arguments which again, there are no facts here. really what they want to do, with the defensive saying is we want to bring in the agents. how can we say what they were doing was an egregious? unless we talked to them. fbi out to kill donald trump. >> this is of course becoming the fbi setting up donald trump . it's becoming the sole right wing conspiracy theory. there is the bathroom, that is such a beautiful shot. just a great room and all sorts of different ways, boxes aside. so, they want to get the fbi folks but it is all of course more delay. we will see where this ends up. thank you very much. alex wagner tonight starts right now with alex wagner. i missed you. >>