is protected by federal law. voting is the right that's protected by federal law. it's unclear if there's really any sort of legal lawsuit here. they sent a cease and desist. the ad had been taken offline by google saying there was a policy violation before trump sent this letter. for now, this is a media story more than actually affecting the voters. it's unclear if they will keep advertising it. they haven't run an ad in nearly six years when they put this online this weekend. >> that's interesting. what do we know about the mail-in voting situation as we head into the 2024 election? this was something that obviously became big during the coronavirus pandemic. a lot of states decided to continue with mail-in voting. >> americans don't usually like to give up a right they have enjoyed and used. many people voted by mail for the first time in 2020. this ad ran in pennsylvania, all over the state, not even specific counties as many

political ads do. pennsylvania, you can freely vote by mail now. some lawmakers want to get rid of it motivated by trump's false claims about the fraudulent nature of it. a lot of people will use it. there is a partisan divide in how voters use it. the republican national committee is trying to under dl mine that. democrats vote by mail in higher numbers. ads like this will keep the divide. >> you did so much reporting about election integrity and looking into what is new in different election cycles. thank you for your efforts. appreciate this reporting. stay on it. that's it for us today. see you back here tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. catch our show online around the clock on youtube, on other platforms any time. thank you so much for joining us. andrea mitchell picks up our coverage right now.

right now on "andrea mitchell reports," biden and trump are in the final phase of debate prep, but taking opposite approaches to what could be a game changer. team trump is drilling down on the former president's completely false claim that joe biden will somehow be jacked up on drugs or even according to a republican house member, a sugar high from mountain dew to make it through the 90-minute faceoff. the biden team is focusing on attack lines. we have both strategies covered with chuck todd reporting on what each side stands to lose. evan gershkovich going on what's expected to be a show trial today. the state department and his legal team both say the charges are completely fabricated. i will speak to the ceo of do you -- dow jones on the efforts

to bring their reporter home. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington on the eve of a presidential debate like no other in modern memory. all signs indicate, donald trump could try to upend the event before it starts. four sources familiar with the situation are telling nbc news there have been high level discussions about moving up trump's vice presidential announcement to as early as this week, possibly even today to make a big splash. at camp david, president biden is taking a more traditional approach. he held at least one mock debate according to our reporting on tuesday with another expected today. as the political world converges on atlanta, the dnc is extending southern hospitality with a billboard welcoming mr. trump as a convicted felon.

it's where donald trump is under indictment for his alleged 2020 election interference. that's where we begin with vaughn hillyard in downtown atlanta. vaughn, this could be the premiere event, it could change everything in a tight race. where do things stand? >> reporter: right. look, for donald trump, he is going to fly here into atlanta tomorrow. for donald trump, this is a different story than last august when he flew into atlanta to be arraigned in fulton county as one of 19 co-defendants. there were a lot of republicans hoping the republican electorate would choose somebody not donald trump. that's not the reality. he is the nominee ahead of the convention on july 15th. this is going to be a moment four months out from the november election for donald trump to make clear how he is going to stack up against democratic president joe biden here. there's a lot on line.

our team, including monica alba, are reporting that yesterday joe biden took place in a mock debate at camp david with his personal attorney standing in as donald trump. they have lighting that is going to be similar to what they expect the staging to look like here. they have a lectern where joe biden is rehearsing. this is a different story than that of donald trump. donald trump is at his mar-a-lago estate. advisors are suggesting he is not doing mock debate prep. he was on newsmax last night. in his interview, he suggested that he has been preparing for this moment his whole life. those were the words of donald trump. being in a resume for two days or a week or two weeks does little to prepare one mentally for what is to come during the 90 minutes that americans will be tuning in for tomorrow night

here in downtown atlanta. >> vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. hours after the debate, president biden is going to head directly to swing state north carolina. a crucial battleground where on friday, his campaign will hold its first post-debate valley. two recent polls show mr. trump up seven points in the tarheel state after carrying it in 2020 and 2016. the biden campaign insists its bullish on its chances there this fall. joining me now is north carolina governor democrat roy cooper, a member of the biden campaign's national advisory board. he will be with the president at friday's rally, of course. governor cooper, it's great to see you again. thank you for being with us. your state's 12-week abortion ban is a big motivator for democrats this cycle, at least you are hoping so. democrats are hoping so. the state has swelled with college-educated people in the suburbs. that helped democrats in georgia. is that going to be enough for joe biden to reverse these polls?

>> i believe it will, along with all of the other successes that joe biden has as president of the united states. i'm hoping that people will tune in to this debate. most people are disengaged in june. people are looking after their children, worrying about their parents and their job. they really aren't thinking about a november election. i hope people tune in for this debate, because they're going to see starkly different visions for america. you've got joe biden, who wakes up every single morning thinking about what he can do for the american people. you have donald trump who wakes up every single morning thinking about what he can do for himself. clearly, he has taken responsibility for the destruction of roe v. wade. it has been felt in north carolina as the one vote republican super majority here overrode my veto of a 12-week abortion ban.

republican leaders here have said, we're going to come back for more after these elections. here in north carolina, we need to make sure that we have a president who is going to protect women's reproductive freedom, that we elect another democratic governor. i'm term limited. we have josh stein, our attorney general, running against an extreme right wing republican who says, no abortion, no exceptions. i believe people of north carolina do not want that. as they focus in on this debate, i think they're going to come to realize that this is a binary choice here of two starkly different visions. this debate will set that out. >> you said democrats are not yet enthusiastic about a second biden term. they need to get on board. that's easier said than done though. last month, a report showed that -- how much third party candidates are pulling away from joe biden. what can you do to try to get

dissatisfied democrats, particularly young people this year, with the war and the other controversies, getting them enthusiastic about someone when age is also a factor? >> well, i believe that people are disengaged in june. i have been through many elections. i was chair of the democratic governors in 2022. polling didn't look great. people were telling us, we weren't going to do well in 2022 in that june. we ended up plus two. one of the greatest performances midterm performances for a president's party ever of governors. i believe you are going to see the same thing. when people finally engage in this election, when they understand that, yes, it is going to be a biden and trump rematch, that if you vote for one of these third party candidates, you are wasting that vote. you are not weighing in on one of the biggest choices that this country has ever made,

distinctly different people. this election is about character and values. i can imagine right now in debate prep at mar-a-lago, that they are trying to convince donald trump to keep the hinges on and be on your best behavior. in other words, don't be yourself. we will see how successful they are at that. i think president biden will take it to him tonight because he has the better end of this argument about where we're going as a country. gotta remember that donald trump -- only one other president has left office losing more jobs than donald trump. that's herbert hoover. every other president has left office gaining jobs. donald trump didn't do that. we need to make sure that we get people engaged in this election. the biden campaign believes that we can win north carolina. i do, too.

we have 18 field offices. we have 80 campaign workers on the ground. that's tripled by august 1st. he only lost by 1.3% against donald trump in north carolina in 2020. because of covid, we didn't have a ground game. this time we will. this time we can win this election. >> finally, donald trump says he wants joe biden to be drug tested ahead of the debate. there's no evidence at all, none, that the president would use any kind of performance enhancing drugs. this is drilling down to that one republican congressman who suggested -- a congressman from missouri suggesting he be high on mountain dew, jacked up. how do you counteract that? is there any truth to it? >> no, absolutely not. they can't have it both ways. they can't present him as not knowing what he is doing and then he was great because he was

drinking mountain dew. come on. joe biden is on top of it. he has used his experience to be a great president. when you look at the five major pieces of legislation that he has gotten through a congress that is really broken, he has been able to do that. he has been able to gather our allies together overseas against dictatorships that donald trump likes to cozy up to. this is an important choice for the people of this country. we have to see around ridiculous statements like that. >> north carolina governor roy cooper, thank you so much. appreciate it. strategy sessions. how both sides are preparing their attack lines and gaming how they're going to try to rattle each other. that's next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." we will be back in 90 seconds on msnbc. back in 90 seconds on msnbc.

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>> sources tell nbc news the trump campaign is discussing a bigger play to make a splash as soon as this week. announcing donald trump's vice presidential choice. all three of the top contenders, have criticized trump in the past. >> i wouldn't do business with him. >> i'm a never trump guy. i never liked him. >> what we are dealing with here, my friends, is a con artist. >> joining us now, former obama white house communications director jennifer palmieri. the trump campaign responded to kinzinger. they called it -- him a cry baby. a former military guy and a tough player on the january 6th committee, which was not an easy thing for a republican to do, as

we know from liz cheney. >> i don't think -- people aren't clamoring for a kinzinger endorsement. i think though what i'm interested to see, does he represent a haley vote? do they reunite with the party? does trump try to attract them? does biden try to attract the biden hasn't done it either. we are still waiting for biden to talk to us. we haven't heard that either. i think that's going to be an interesting story. what we hear from them and whether they reach out to those folks will tell us a lot. >> what about the mock debates, the practicing, the lines that he is trying to prepare? you have been involved in this before. you can over practice? can you get robotic about it? >> i don't think biden is in -- i don't think we are in danger of that. i have been through a lot of debate prep. i've been through media prep sessions with president biden

when he was vice president. i know he likes to talk out how you want to approach a certain issue. what are the points you want to get out and sit around a table and workshop that until he is clear about the points he wants to make. i think it really does -- i think a lot of practice does help. it helped a candidate like hillary clinton. obama did not perform well in his first debate because he didn't prep enough. i think it's a good idea if the person is comfortable that they have walked through it all enough. the thing with biden is, he is good at the tossing an aside, throwing a barb trump's way. partly because they are of the same generation. he grew up not respecting people who came from wealthy backgrounds that didn't work hard. that's how he sees donald trump. i don't feel like trump intimidates him.

that's also important for your body language and how you are approaching the debate. >> matt, tim scott for whom you worked on the presidential campaign, was supposedly on a list, a longer list. what do you think of the three so-called finalists, according to our reporting? >> i'm biased. they are all great guys. i think they would bring -- >> who would be best? >> that's hard to say. depends what they are looking for. we talked in 2016 how trump loves successful business guys. vance is more in tune with him ideologically and can be a good defense of him on tv. marco has been through it before. you can't overvalue that, how much if you have been through the wringer, getting thrown in this, that experience really, really helps. >> let me just counteract that as devil's advocate. the voters -- whether donald trump likes him, the comfort level, that's important. but the voters don't know him. he is perhaps not the most exciting of the possible candidates.

vance is now ideologically in sync but wasn't before. there's that record. we have seen marco rubio on debate stage and with the state of the union response. under pressure, not always great. >> i think that experience helps. if there's one thing trump loves, it's convert. all these guys have had criticism with him. regardless, he will appreciate the fact that he is getting converts. >> newt gingrich is suggesting the president should stay away from the age issue and just say, look, i was wise enough not to try to overthrow the u.s. government. it's surprising coming from newt. good advice? >> newt might be projecting his own problems with his own age. i think that whatever feels comfortable to biden and how -- it's the most important thing. sometimes we discount the value of a candidate just saying what

they believe and presenting their argument the way they want to. if it's authentic, it will break through. he can just say he is experienced and he is wise. he can say, my age is a benefit. i have all of the experience has made me able to lead in this moment. i think is true. i guess we probably will address age directly. >> thanks. tomorrow, rachel and team lead analysis of the first presidential debate hosted by cnn. watch tomorrow at 7:00 eastern on msnbc. what have you got to lose? chuck todd and susan page join me with a reality check for the candidates ahead of tomorrow night's clash. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. ea mitchell reports." this is msnbc.

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>> i will say this. we have fallen into this trip where we get excite bad first confrontation. sometimes it's a first general election debate. they didn't really lay a glove on each other. they were feeling each other out. yeah, because for suddenly their operatives remind the candidates, there's people tuning in for the first time. you are making a first impression. while they have made their first impressions, arguably, there's still somewhat of that. i think six weeks ago, biden needed to do something to shake up the race. what's interesting is in the last six weeks, i could argue both campaigns have gotten steadier. both campaigns feel better about their current state. operationally, both campaigns are in a better place than they were six weeks ago. so when you are entering a debate where you are feeling like your path to victory is visible to you, you are going to be more risk averse. i'm not saying captain chaos

won't show up, but i think if you are coming from the perspective of the operatives i have talked to, this could be less fireworky than people think. >> it was high risk high reward for joe biden. the exposure without a teleprompter on a stage for 90 minutes, he could falter at any single moment and it could go viral, especially the way even innocent moments, not undamaging moments like at the g7, are faked and edited out of context. >> they have not only had the first impression made, the second and third and fourth impressions are made. there are images. the views are said in political concrete. the risk now is less to make an impression you never made before, more that the other guy or you makes some kind of error that gets repeated over and over and over again on cable tv and on social media. that becomes the image that people remember. >> you don't want to be the

stereotype the other is painting. that's what i think they both -- the stereotype that biden wants to paint of trump is unhinged. stereotype of biden is he is not all there. if you fall into either one of those, that's a problem. >> if the expectation now is that donald trump will perform the way he did at the first debate last time around, when he was all over the place and even though there's not an audience to feed upon, give him that echo affect as well as the microphones being muted, there's also chance of that happening because he can see the strategy and he knows he needs to be presidential. >> i would go back -- when he is really feeling aggrieved, he will let you know. think about where he was four years ago at this point and then eight years ago at this point. this is actually the less aggrieved he felt in a long time. the party is rallying around him. that's the first time it

happened. here he is there. we sometimes treat him as that he is always a 5-year-old. he learns. maybe he doesn't learn conventionally, but he learns. i think he is self-aware of how damaging he personally was to himself in that first debate. >> we do see him running this better campaign or more traditional campaign, better organized, more focused on strategy. that leads you to believe he will do the same when he goes into this debate. when you see him in the big rallies, it's pretty much the traditional donald trump. >> we just don't take -- we can get into that debate. susan is right, it's the same trump at the rallies. we just don't cover him with the same intensity or urgency as we did before. >> susan, does donald trump almost win by acting normal? >> maybe they both win. maybe the expectations for both

have been set sufficiently low that each can win by just -- by donald trump seeming pretty rational, not crazy, and joe biden looking awake and in charge and engaged. in some ways, the stakes are really high. but the way we're going to rate them may not be so high. >> chuck, how difficult might it be to get -- to rattle donald trump right now? what could they use? the cases? january 6? >> this is the thing. this is what i think biden has to be careful of. i think it takes a nimble debater to figure out how to poke an opponent and not look like you are just trying to poke an oopponent. if biden does it the wrong way, it looks like he is more obsessed with trump than the american voter. that's where the risk comes in of trying to bait the opponent. they are each -- they want to bait each other. that's where the puppishment comes from. they have an incentive to act normally. because they are both -- both

campaigns are nervous of the kennedy affect. if they are -- if they turn into the two muppet old guys yelling at each other, more voters are candidate curious. that hurts both campaigns. there's an incentive to both want to keep kennedy from a relevant player. >> kelly o'donnell has been doing a lot of reporting on this. she has that there have been various mock debates and a lot of sessions at camp david. she's now reporting that they are not ruling out, the white house team, new proposals. we have known he has done that before. he is preparing for something to counteract a vice presidential dramatic proposal from the other side. there's the question of the handshake. it wasn't because of covid the last time around in 2020. will they shake hands? seems to me they will. >> i think they will shake hands. are you going to refuse to shake hands with the guy? maybe. i don't see that. i think that debates usually turn not on some new policy

proposal. they have turned on, is this a person i trust? maybe something i like. somebody at least someone i trust to handle whatever the challenges of the next four years are. it would be hard to see what kind of proposal policy either guy could make that would score and make a difference. >> i agree with that. >> quickly, to each of you, a second left, do you have a favorite in terms of which of those three possible vps would do the most good for donald trump? >> look, i think if he is thinking about who he wants as a partner, it's burgum. if he is thinking about november, then it's not him. he is the most pence-like. trump liked the job pence did. >> up until -- >> up until one day in january. >> i'm betting or him, too. it's his choice. it's trump's choice. it's not his campaign's choice. it's not don junior's choice. i think he is the guy who brings

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meagan o'sullivan. jason, you are writing it's generational in its undertaking. you have to build constituencies for this though. we have seen that in -- especially political years like now, these issues become so toxic. you also have the global problems of slowdowns economically, reluctance to get anything accomplished. and china. how do you fix these global challenges? >> well, thanks for having us on. you describe the challenges. meagan and i have been writing for a few years about why this energy transition, if it's not well managed, carefully implemented, can be problematic geopolitically, if consumers feel like they are being impacted in their pocketbooks and it's negatively impacted along the way, first thing we will see is support for the energy transition go by the

wayside. you can look at election results in europe. see what happens in the u.s. later this year when people feel like they are baring a cost. there's not support for this. we need to move faster because of climate change is here and now as you said. in london, i thought he was leaving new york to escape a heat wave and we see month after month breaking record temperatures. the point we are making in the article is that a moment like this to remake the global economy in such a fundamental way, not only is urgently necessary for climate change, but actually presents an opportunity if we are thoughtful about it to break a negative feedback loop where now geopolitics is making the transition. use this as an opportunity to reduce tensions between rich and poor countries as the divide has widened. think about how to expand trading arrangements with countries in an area of fragmentation and protectionism. push back on china.

get as many partners as possible to expand clean energy supply chain. we walk through the ways this is an opportunity, not only a necessary thing to do for the climate challenge. >> that's what's so interesting in your approach. meagan, when you and jason talk about this, conventional wisdom is that with two wars going on and what ukraine did in terms of the grain supply to subsaharan africa as well as other economic problems, china and the u.s. increasing tensions, trade wars, that it's the worst possible time to try to solve the problems. you are arguing there are opportunities here. explain. >> yeah. that's exactly right, andrea. what we are calling for is for people to just fundamentally change how they are thinking about the relationship between geopolitics and what's happening in the international environment and climate change and climate action. as you say, it's commonplace to

think they are a tradeoff. we are in a global world of great uncertainty, as you just suggested. in such a place, you would think people really -- the inclination is to pull back. we have been writing about that these two things are linked. climate action, the energy transition, and geopolitics. you can't de-link them. right now, they are having a negative interaction. the deteriorating geopolitical environment is making it harder to reach our climate goals. it's making it more expensive. it's slowing it down. and the climate transition itself is exacerbating a lot of these negative geopolitical trends. what we say is, hey, here is some ideas for how we can reverse this. rather than having these two things competing with one another, we are suggesting that policymakers look at the energy transition and their efforts to craft energy transition as a way of bringing about a better

geopolitical environment. let me give you one example that might make this less abstract. right now, particularly in the united states, the consensus for free trade has virtually collapsed, in both parties. what we are saying is, if we can tie the need for more free trade and free trade agreements to a successful energy transition, we can actually demonstrate that people who might actually otherwise not support giving more market access to countries might become supportive of it, because they will realize we can only make an energy transition if we trade with more partners, more vigorously, particularly if we want to make this energy transition without really strengthening china, which is where you can bring in people who are more national security hawks. we go through ways in which we think we should think more ambitiously about the energy transition as a way of actually

improving the geopolitical environment rather than making it worse. >> jason, to pick up on that, one response to china and china's dominance in the solar technology field, for instance, is to compete and to have legislation that helps incentivize domestic production. the other way would be to cooperate and not impose tariffs that create a trade war. >> look, china has a dominant position in so many parts of the clean energy supply chain because of their own not just competitiveness and good technology but in many cases subsidies, unfair competition, intellectual property theft. there are factors that have given them this lead in batteries, refining and processes of critical elements. it is appropriate in different context, we need to be nuanced

about it, to think this dominance may not be a healthy thing for the global economy, for the energy transition, all of that capacity sits within china. we need to diversify supply chains. we need to be realistic about how long that is going to take. we need to build other tools. we need policies to support building those supply chains in other places. it's hard to appreciate the scale and magnitude of just how big the numbers are in this energy transition. that means it's going to take time. it's going to take policies like the inflation reduction act. it's going to take working with as many other countries as possible. if you want to push back on china, other than north korea and iran and a few others, everybody wants to be your friend. you need to expand trade part partnerships with others. >> jason, meagan, thanks for

trying to open our eyes to different possibilities here. thank you both. >> thanks for having us on. >> thank you. the fight for freedom. a detained reporter, evan gershkovich, goes on trial in russia. the publisher of "the wall street journal" joins me next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. "ana mitchell reports" on msnbc start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.

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he appeared thin and his head had been shaved and he managed a smile before the doors closed on his secret trial. he was arrested 15 months ago on an espionage charge, false charges that both the u.s. and the "wall street journal" denied. they say he was gathering confidential information about a russia military equipment and tank factory. his parents writing these past 15 months have been extraordinarily painful for evan and for our family. we miss our son and just want him home. we urge the u.s. government to continue to do everything possible to bring evan home now. i spoke with his parents back in march on the anniversary of his -- first anniversary of his arrest. >> he was mostly interested in people and telling people's story. >> we're keeping ourselves optimistic. that is the best way we could

hope, no pessimism. pessimism will kill all the help. >> and joining me now is al ma lator, publish of the wall street journal and the family are just heroic. >> they are. >> and the optimism and the courage that they express. but whether we saw him today, his head was shaved, he's outside of the moscow, in a remote area, and he looks thin. >> yes. >> what do you draw from that has been happening to him? >> well, let's first stick with the spirit of the parents. we should remain resilient and hopeful and we are hopeful that he will be released. but, yes, this is what that russian regime routinely does to people it doesn't like or don't fit their narrative. evan did appear emaciated and

his head was shaven, not by choice. we know that was a requirement of the new prison center that he was moved to. and so, that, i think, all fits this russian narrative of making him look like a -- a prisoner, making him look like someone who committed a crime. but we cannot give up our resilience on that and so we're entirely in sync with the parents. >> are you satisfied with what the u.s. government is doing. >> u.s. government has been working around the clock. we, of course, think that evan should be released immediately and that they should be working toward that. they have been working on this for over a year. right now we have full faith that it will come to a good conclusion. but many partners around the world that are also working on this, andrea, that is important, that there is that global collaboration. and then, of course, keeping evan in the spotlight in any way

possible. we'll keep him as a priority for the u.s. government and we'll shame the russians into making a move. >> donald trump has again today on truth social bragged that he would be able to get evan home if and when he's elected from vladimir putin. how damaging is that? could it encourage putin to hold him longer than he otherwise might. >> i don't want to speculate on the -- the precise nature of that statement. but bipartisan support for evans release has been a hallmark of this whole campaign. and to that extent, we are pleased to see that there is a support on both sides of the aisle, if you will, for evan's release. this is a topic, obviously, of tremendous importance to evan himself. and that is the priority.

but this is also a topic of national importance and of global importance. namely, that there is a methodical attack on free press and therefore a methodical attack on free society and everybody should care about that. once we get evan out, we need to understand how we're going to stop this hostage taking industry that is putting pressure on free press now. and it is gotten worse, andrea, not better over the past year. and we have to figure out, after we get evan home, which is a top priority, how are we going to stop this from happening in the future and that is worthy of a debate. >> >> the u.s. has said in the past that they don't have russian spies to trade. and putin wants a trade. there is a lot of pressure, i reported, that the german chancellor had agreed in february in a meeting in the oval office, they would probably

trade this russian assassin held for the murder he kmieted in berlin. very trade for possibly naval any and evan and it never got much farther. but there were reports that they were scouring the world for russians in prisons elsewhere. are there options? >> well, it is a sad game and we know that a lot of cases like these ended up in a trade. of some sort. i can't comment on the nature of what will lead to evan's release, specifically what deal might be cut. but suffice it so say that there are people looking at a solution around the world, around the clock. >> thank you so much. evan gershkovich is in all of our thoughts all of the time.

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