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>> -- it would be outrage. it's insulting and shows what he thinks of us and he does think of us. i come from new york like he does. every chance he got including

central park five he supported the criminalizing of plax. he called for the death of five innocent black men. that's what he thinks of us. the irony he has someone sitting there applauding it. while would you tell president- elect benefits have benefited under your four years in office. he cannot say that because it didn't happen. >> as you look at that scene yesterday. barbershop set up in donald trump not there calling in on speakerphone and saying what he said yesterday, what you see in that? >> what i like to say is not appropriate for national television so i will say this. and reverend churchman is sitting there. what i see there is folks love to throw the term pandering around when it comes to democrats and black voters. what donald trump is doing is a level of insult and pandering and out not sure about who he's pandering to. having folks like byron donalds and ben carson, who no better

sit there and allow this gentleman, who says he wants the votes of black voters in this country to call into a black voter roundtable at the barbershop with black business on the to talk about his mug shot and felonies is the opinion be of spitting in the face of black people. and i have to wonder about the black elected officials, the black leaders and their respective communities propping donald trump up and letting him spit in their faces. when i talk about the fact that voters, black voters and base voters -- i don't know what i'm into the selection -- the woman referenced in virginia is trying to decide if she'll vote for donald trump or joe biden? am i can vote for joe biden are fighting the couch? what donald trump does cannot be an excuse. in atlanta two republican critics of donald trump came together in support of joe biden

and called on others in the party to do the same. former illinois congressman adam kinzinger and former georgia lieutenant governor jeff duncan held a press conference at the georgia state capital yesterday. kinzinger was a member of the january 6 committee before leaving congress last year. duncan was president of the georgia state senate when trump and his former personal lawyer rudy giuliani attempted to overturn the state's 2020 election results. here is some of what they had to say. >> i'm not looking at this election through the lens of being a republican. looking through the lens of being an american. in american the cares more about the future of my country than the moral bankrupt nominee of my party. there are political ramifications to this decision but they pale in comparison to four years of donald trump both

home and abroad. >> it's my time to ask a favor of all those thousands and thousands of republicans across the country who've given us words of encouragement. i have an ask. my ask is this. it's your time to do the right thing. don't give donald trump four more years to continue to destroy this country. >> and i got to tell you in november there is one man running for re-election of two men running that cares about the future of this country and cares about democracy and that's joe biden and if we have things we disagree on, that's fine. we have things in this country we will disagree on for the next 100 years we may not be able to solve but if we don't have our democracy we won't have the luxury to disagree on those things. >> meanwhile georgia republican governor brian kemp is revealing who he did not vote for in his state gop primary march. here's what he told cnn last night. >> speaking of the georgia primary, who did you vote for? >> in the georgia primary? i didn't vote for anybody. i voted but i did not vote for

anybody. the race was already over when the primary got here. >> you did not vote for donald trump? >> i didn't vote for anybody. because the race was over. >> that's pretty interesting. >> i mean, i wanted to vote. i always try to vote and play apart but at that point it did not matter. i've said for a long time, i'm going to support the ticket and that's what i'm doing now. we have a lot of races on the ballot here in georgia, not just the presidential race. a lot of friends and partners in the general assembly and i'm focused on holding majorities and make sure we turn out for the whole ticket all the way to the top. >> there were a lot of other republicans that came out and voted for donald trump that would be interesting for them to hear why you did not feel the need to vote for him or did not want to. >> for me personally and politically, it would be interesting if i had to vote for him or interesting if i did not or did not vote at all. bottom line it did not matter.

we knew the presumptive nominee before the primary got here. i did not support anybody in the race. i was thinking about it. just because of circumstances and the way things played out, did not end up doing that but said all along for the most part that i would support the ticket and that's what i've always done and that's what i'm doing this november. >> george conway, what do you make from what governor kemp had to say, as well as duncan and kinzinger? >> i have nothing but praise for duncan and kinzinger. as for the governor, i'm glad he made that statement that he did not vote for anybody. i think that speaks volumes. but it just amazes me and i will carry this to my grave how difficult it seems to have been for so many republicans who no better, like a camp. he clearly knows better. to basically callout donald trump for what he is. and to even say that you're going to endorse the ticket, to me is just appalling.

it's leading to the destruction of the republican party, i believe. and it just -- i just will never get over that. i, i don't know what else to say about it. it's depressing. >> yeah. yeah. george conway, thank you. symone sanders townsend, thank you. we will be watching the weekend saturday and sunday mornings beginning at 8:00 eastern right here on msnbc. more morning joe weekend after a quick break. nothing dims my light like a migraine.

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israel's defense minister says significant progress was made during his meeting with white house officials. you have gallant was in washington this week holding discussions with secretary of state antony bliken, defense secretary lloyd austin and

white house national security adviser jake sullivan. according to the white house the cease-fire deal in efforts to reduce hostilities with lebanon were among the main topics of discussion. in a video statement released yesterday, he explained the obstacles surrounding america supply of weapons to israel have been addressed. this as israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has accused the white house of withholding arms and slowing down israel's operation. acclaim the biden administration has refuted. meanwhile on capitol hill, house speaker mike johnson is criticizing president biden's handling of the war in gaza. he sent a letter to the white house yesterday writing in part, the failure to resolutely support israel and its military objectives has made it harder to help facilitate the release of those being detained. johnson went on to accuse the president of not focusing on

the release of hostages instead of trying to micromanage israel. >> we can't have this on this show when it was mike johnson at donald trump's urging that slow walked funding for israel. when everybody was coming together, once again with a bipartisan bill to fund ukraine, to fund israel, to fund taiwan's defense. and what happened? he listened to donald trump and marjorie taylor greene. instead of listening, of course, to the israelis and listening to the ukrainians. so, really, the moral lectures from that guy? it's like lecturing on the southern border. and i'm saying tonight again, any democrat that does not not rhetorically, knocked somebody's head off their shoulders and the debate, the

talks about the southern border after it was donald trump that killed our best chance of securing the southern border in 30 years doesn't know what they are doing. i'll just say that. it's open and shut. richard, let's talk about what's happening in israel right now. it seems to me, because i think it's what's happening but i need to talk to you because you actually know what's happening because you talk to people everyday about it -- benjamin netanyahu is sort of standing in the middle of a no man's land. israeli troops, for the most part, are just standing still. the fear of famine among the gazan people grow because nothing really is happening to speak of. they are not going into karim try to finish the operation off and they are not able to get to

a cease-fire. and of course i blame hamas completely for that. but still, something has to be done and it makes sense that he is getting hammered from the left and the right in israel. >> i think this is now parked in the situation describe in -- this will be the new normal, possibly, for some time. not a cease-fire. not high intensity combat operations but very low level, open ended conflict. and i think that suits the israelis militarily because they can transfer most of the resources to the north. it suits the prime minister politically because he does not have to set in motion political dynamics that would threaten his political coalition and want no part of anything that conceivably opened the door to talking about palestinian nationalism are bringing the palestinian authority into play. so actually think gaza after eight to nine months, this will be the new normal for some time

and attention will turn initially to the north. the israelis are in an untenable situation where 75 thousand plus or minus of the people can't go home. the question is whether they deal with this diplomatically or militarily and in this case hezbollah and iran is what they agreed to. and to add to the morning gloom, there's a chance we could see a spike in violence in the west bank. a lot of friction between settlers and palestinians. but in some ways almost a third intifada. i don't think that's a far- fetched possibility. >> which is of course what netanyahu would prefer. the more unrest , the more his ability to clampdown on the west bank. the further he can move from a two-state solution. the happier netanyahu is. but this may be untenable for israel right now. this, sort of, again, world war i-type stalemate is also untenable for the people of gaza

, untenable for those who are starving to death and famine spreading. it's untenable for our arab allies in the region who want to come in and help after the war is over. and at this point you have to ask, if hamas is not going to take a cease-fire, is the most humane thing israel can do is move quickly and finish this war so the gazan people don't just sit there and slowly starve to death over the next six months? >> and that's what a lot of people inside israel have called for. the question is what does it mean to finish this work? how do you finish it? payment you can't finish it militarily. israel has probably killed 10,000 to 15,000 based on their numbers hamas fighters. that still leaves another 15,000 or 20,000 there given original estimate. you can degrade them. they couldn't mount an operation like it did on october 7 right now.

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violence is a public health crisis picked announcement was accompanied by a 40-page report detailing the severity of the issue and the policies that could be enacted to save lives. those recommendations include banning automatic rifles, implemented universal background checks, restricting gun use and public spaces, and penalizing those who fail to safely store their firearms. u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy joins us now. thank you for coming on this morning for this announcement. so, we would agree there is an epidemic. there is a mass shooting several times a week in america. how does putting the official label of public health crisis on this issue as closer to

these goals, actually? >> for a long time this issue has been politicized and polarized but i think it's time for us to change how we look at it. instead of looking at as a political issue but to recognize it for what it is, which is a public health issue. and the power of doing that is several fold. first, when our office historically has identified and public health issue that made it a majority for the country but also opened the door for us to take a public health approach to the issue. this is what we did with smoking more than half a century ago. my predecessor identified smoking as an important public health issue and a threat to the health of america. that helped mobilize a series of initiatives and communities in schools, among parents and lawmakers and ultimately brought smoking rates down from 42% in 1964 to less than 12% at where they are today. that's the approach we have to take your. what is important for people to understand is that gun violence

is not an issue that just affects a small number of people picked the ripple effects of gun violence have impacted millions of people across america. nearly 50,000 lives are lost each year to gun violence and millions more, in terms of people shot and injured and who survived. people who witness these incidents and family members who lose loved ones and many who watch and hear about gun violence every day including our kids. that has led to six out of 10 americans fearing they will lose a loved one to violence and more than half of our kids worry about shootings in their schools. >> you brought up the smoking parallel, which is interesting. you are correct. mobilized initiatives and a lot of outreach in schools and understanding about the dangers. it also mobilized massive lawsuits and the legal realm was ignited by a sense of how

dangerous cigarettes were. will that happen in this case? is that your hope? what gets us to banning automatic rifles? what gets us to your goals here this announcement. universal background checks? >> there are a series of strategies would layout in the report. you identified some of them, which are focused around firearm risk reduction strategies including strengthening universal background checks and they include measures that would seek to put time and space between firearms individuals who would seek to harm themselves or others. what they also include our community- based violence intervention strategies? a storage education programs and laws. advances and expansions in research funding, and expanded access to mental health services these are multiple strategies that we have offered for congress to consider in the country to consider and they

are actionable. one of the things that gives me hope. is if you look at the last few years, we've seen some progress. five or six years ago congress for the first time in decades put forward funding for gun violence. a modest amount of funding and more needs to happen there, but they also two years ago passed a bipartisan safer communities act, which is the first federal legislation to address gun violence in 30 years. there is more we can do here and they should not be the last step we take. there are more actions we will need as a country. but if we build on the strategies i have laid out, ever, this issue understanding what i'm understanding talking to people across america is that everyone regardless of their background, their age, or part of the country they live in, wanted to live in a world with the kids can go to school without worrying about gun violence. they can go to church or go for a walk in the street without worrying about being shot. right now this fear of gun violence has pervaded the psyche of america. it's affecting day-to-day decisions. i need to tell you about a grandmother i spoke to not long ago who told me that her grandchild is scared to where

light up shoes and other shoes that flash when you take a step because he does not want to be a target for a shooter if there's an active shooting incident in school. another mother i spoke to the other day who was tragically in a mass shooting incident and had to run from a shooter, she now does not wear flip-flops when she goes outside because on that day she happened to be in flip-flops and found it was hard to run and she doesn't want to be in that situation again. you start to see how this is affecting day-to-day decisions and it doesn't have to be this way. if we understand this as a country and come at this as an issue that affects all of us as a public health concern, i believe we can make progress in saving lives and reducing the mental health toll. >> good morning. it's true young people think about things that you and i never had to think about in terms of safety at school and in public places.

this announcement is drawing applause from gun safety advocates, the american medical association. no one can argue we have a crisis in front of us. it's in the data. i think what some people are saying is this is nice but without the policy side it's kind of symbolic so how do you take this from where it is right now and push it forward so there is real change in this country. not to control guns, but protect lives? >> and here i fundamentally believe we can respect people's rights and protect people and create a safer world for them and that's what we have to do in america. my hope is this advisory will serve as a foundation for a series of changes we can make. there are policy changes here for congress to consider. think about what happened with the 1964 tobacco report. that was a foundation for policy change, and a series of other programmatic and educational changes we made across this country. and if we come together as a nation to say, you know what? it's time for us to make this a priority because it's now become a kid issue, then i

think we can make progress. let me underscore the kids issue. gun violence has become the leading cause of death among children and teens in america. that was not true a decade ago or even two decades ago but it is true today. one thing i have seen in the past as a country is that we have been able to come together and do hard things in the past. and if there is ever a time when we should come together to take on an issue, it should be this one because it is affecting her children and what could be more important than their well-being? >> u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy. thank you for what you are doing and thank you for being on the show this morning. >> thank you so much. next, my exclusive interview with the vice president kamala harris. we will be right back. i wanted all the boost i could get! i heard about prevagen from a friend. i read the clinical study on it

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states in the country. now, hadley is speaking out on behalf of the biden campaign in defense of abortion rights and here is our discussion. >> this is your first national media interview and given what is at stake today, can you tell people what you want them to take away from, to know about your personal and deeply painful story and why it's irrelevant to women today? >> women today, if they are walking in the shoes that i was in, which was pregnancy from rape, then, you know, they don't have any option in a lot of states and are at risk for having no options after the election. and that's very terrifying. and, still, i will forever be that little girl and that's really who i do this for, and knowing i was in that position

and the only thing that allowed me to hold on to hope where the words you have options. those of the first things i heard after i looked at a positive legacy test at 12 years old. >> you were abused by her stepfather, correct? >> yes. >> it took a while to tell your mom about this. your abuser was her husband. i'm curious how you did it and i'm thinking this question is for young girls out there who may be in a similar situation. >> when i was younger, it took a lot of planning. i would sit and say, okay, the next time i will tell. or if this happens, i will tell. or whatever. i would always have a reason and wait for that push and then it would come around and i would get scared. my mom is a recovering addict so, you know, when i was young

she went away to inpatient rehab and i know what that looks like. and i was finally in a point in my life where i prayed for my mom not using drugs anymore. she was home and sober. when i threatened to tell, i was told, you know, you will risk your mom's sobriety. so that really stuck with me. and it always made me want to keep the peace because my family, the family i had been hoping and praying for for so long -- but then i was realizing that i did not have the peace and that seem to be most important. so, honestly, just going into high school and knowing there were a lot of milestones that not only me, but my sibling was about to accomplish. and i just did not feel like we had to live in a secret anymore. so i texted my mom from school and i said, don't let me back out of what i need to tell you

tonight. she started asking me some questions and came and picked me up from school and i told her. i cannot even look at her. i said mom, i don't know how to say this to you. i'm just going to blurt it up and i did. i set up meeting sexually abused for 10 years and immediately she was, like, okay. we need to figure something out. he will stay with a friend. financials. my mom was in cosmetology school at the time and had no income. >> and now you are speaking out because a trump win would mean what for little girls in the situation you are in? >> it would mean the unimaginable. it would mean they have no options. not even women and girls but women with nonviable pregnancies , wanted pregnancies that are nonviable that are killing these women. there would be no traveling to another state.

it would be no options based on where you live. it would just be one rule for everybody and that would be no abortions and that is that very, very dangerous world for women. not only young girls, but all women. >> madame vice president, you are here with hadley in part because she is amazing, and also because her story resonates with you deeply. you have been close to similar stories in your own life. maybe even set the path of your career. prosecuting sexual violence cases. can you tell us about that? >> so, when i was in high school, i learned my best friend was being molested by her stepfather and when i learned about it, i said to her, you have to come live with us. i called my mother. my mother said of course she has to come live with us and she did. so at a young age i decided i wanted to do the work that was about protecting women and children and i became a prosecutor and a specialized in

in particular, child sexual assault. and the fact that after the dobbs decision came down that laws have been proposed and passed that, as hadley has said, make no exceptions even for rape or in recessed. think about what these extremists are saying to a survivor of a crime of violence to their body. a crime that is a violation of their body and to say to that survivor, and, you have no right or authority to make a decision about what happens to your body next year that is in moral. that's immoral. and i say all of that to say that hadley, you are doing such important work to be a voice. because i will also mention

that the majority of these cases don't get reported, you know, and in some states they passed a law that says if a woman or girl reported to the police, then they might be eligible for an abortion. well, a lot of survivors don't report it to the police because of fear of retribution that they fear will be even worse than what they are enduring. >> hadley miscarried. if she had needed care for that today, depending on where you live, you may not get it. it's been two years now since roe was overturned and now we are dealing with the real reality of that, which is women bleeding out in parking lots, on bathroom floors. i'm curious what your thoughts were when roe was overturned and now

what we do with the cases before us? >> first of all, i say let's be clear about how we got here. because the former president hand selected three members of the united states supreme court with the intention that they would undo the protections of roe v. wade, and they did exactly as he intended. and in state after state we are seeing what i call trump abortion bans, including states with a six-week abortion ban, which tells you these legislators clearly don't know how a woman's body works, or they don't care. and most women do not even know they are pregnant in six weeks. and to your point, mika , there are two coexisting issues here that are extremely important. one is the notion that the highest court in our land just took a fundamental right that had been recognized from the

people of america, from the women of america, to make decisions about their own body. the notion of it all that in this year of our lord 2024, the highest court in the united states of america would take such a fundamental freedom from its people? and understanding that this is not just a matter that is for debate and discussion and intellectual conversation. the real harm that has occurred every day in america since that case was decided and these laws are being passed, to your point -- we know the stories about women seeking claire because they're going through a miscarriage and being turned away by an emergency room because the physicians there are afraid they will be put in jail. in a state like texas they provide prison for life for a healthcare provider doing their job. and i don't think, i think that when you look at this issue, most people agree you don't have to abandon your faith you don't have to abandon your faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government should not be telling women what to do

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the yankees shortstop bucky dent -- agonizing seeing the video -- a game-winning home run in the tiebreaking 163rd game of the season for joining us now is the star, writer and director of "reverse the curse", david duchovny. great to see you. >> it was a pleasure watching your face experiment i do not enjoy that at all. all these years later. i wasn't even born yet. >> isn't it amazing how the stove resonates clicks were going on a half-century since that game and if you're from new york or boston, it still hits you in some way. >> that's my theory. obviously boston since 2004 has been winning in every major sport but it's my theory that -- and you can maybe corroborate this -- you miss your identity as a loser pick >> absolutely not. >> it did take some of the mystique away. the whole identity was based on being the lovable losers and fighting the curse and then that went away and now it's the yankees.

>> we would just ignore him. >> you guys go ahead. >> why at this point, and this is been a process for you. you started with the screenplay and then the novel. why did you view this time and event as fertile ground for creativity? >> you know, when you are writing a story or a story is coming together in your mind, it's different strands from different places. and what i just heard the phrase that were no longer allowed to say, bucky fácking dent. when i was in massachusetts it tickled me and then this whole idea of an on the sung hero of losers winning. i was looking at the country at that time when i was writing it and even before that with steinbrenner, but also this win at all costs, when her mentality. i think it had gone overboard at that point in 2016 or 2017 when i was writing it and i thought let's have sympathy for the losers. let's embrace our identity as losers because we all lose in

the end and that was the impetus for the book. >> even for someone of your credentials and career, it's hard to get something made, isn't it? to write a story that is hard too but to get it on the screen is tough, right? >> it's really hard when you're making an independent film and you have to cobble together the financing and keep it together. and then you've got to get it out indicated out into a place where you have 30 seconds to define something. i made a movie that is a tragedy and comedy. it's got high and low and it's hard to say and four seconds what it is. i can tell you it's a great film and you will laugh and cry but it's hard to get that out there. i will say it's not a sports film. that's probably not a great idea either. >> the backdrop is sports and were having fun talking about the yankees and the red sox but it's a human story and relationship story. tell us about that. >> the father and the son are at odds. one is a sox fan and one is a

yankees fan. were talking about sports again. it's about seizing the narrative of your life and telling your story in a different way that suits you in a better way. you have a father and a son who have been telling their stories in ways that are toxic to them and are not helpful to them. and they have a death nurse, a woman played by stephanie beatriz it was wonderful in the film who tells them the way you can tell your story can be different. the way you view yourself and your life, you can take the same facts and tell a different narrative that is healthier, more loving, and more successful in the end. and that's kind of what they go through in their fandom experiment let's take a look at what were talking about. this is where david's character makes a halfhearted attempt to reconcile with his son, ted. >> you should thank me. >> okay. thank you for what? >> thank you with my coldness and aloofness as a husband freeing up your mom to give you all that mother love that creates confidence in you. >> confidence.

that's rich. yeah. i'm an unpublished loser, marty. i mr. peanut. >> hey, shut up. anybody else talked about you the way you talk about yourself, i'd not them on the [ bleep ]. >> my hero. maybe we should get there sees the narrative life death nurse to coach us on your story. i don't buy any of this new age [ bleep ]. you can't just change the story because don't like the way you come off pick >> i'm not your coming in great. >> if that's how you feel, i will pack my trash bags and go. >> tell me what you want to me to apologize for and i will. i don't have time. i was a lousy husband and a lousy father. so were millions of other guys. >> so when you direct a film that you have written and starring in its, how does that change the experience for you? are you in scenes inking about how it's being played or how it looks at any of these things? >> yes and no. you have moments of schizophrenia we go back or i'll be in a scene with you and

i'm thinking, willie is doing great and then i'm like, what's my next line? so, there is a bit of that. it's just all enveloping. you are just living and breathing and thinking about this thing all the time from every different angle. i love it. but it's a lot. >> it's a great film. and as you say you don't have to be a sports fan to appreciate it. we have a second hour of morning joe weekend right after a quick break. s. can neuriva support your brain health? mary, janet, hey!! (thinking: eddie, no frasier, frank... frank?) fred! how are you?! fred... fuel up to 7 brain health indicators, including your memory. join the neuriva brain health challenge. smile! you found it. the feeling of finding psoriasis can't filter out the real you. so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only sotyktu, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin.

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back into the big stories that drove the news the past week. >> but i will do is fix the tax system. for example, we have 1000 trillion ears in america, not even billionaires in america. they are in a situation where they in fact paid 8.2% in taxes . if they pay 24%, 25%, either one of those numbers, we would raise 500 billion dollars in a 10 year period. we will be able to help make sure all the things we need to do, child care, elder care, making sure we continue to strengthen our healthcare system , making sure we are able to make every single solitary person eligible for what i've been able to do with covid,-- with dealing with everything we have to do with-- look, if we finally beat medicare--

>> after you rallied your supporters that day, some of them stormed the capitol to stop the constitutionally mandated counting of electoral votes. as president, you swore and oath to protect, defend the quote, constitution. what do you say to voters who believe you violated that oath for your actions and inactions january 6th and are worried you will do it again? >> let me tell you about january 6, on january 6, we had a great border, nobody coming through, very few. on january 6, we were energy dependent. we have the lowest taxes ever. >> you have 80 seconds left, my question is, what you say to those voters that believe you violated your constitutional oath through those actions on january 2021?

>> i did not say that to anybody. i said, peacefully and patriotically. nancy pelosi, if you watched the news from two days ago, on tape to her daughter, a documentary filmmaker, they say, she is saying, oh no, it is my responsibility, i was responsible for this. i offered her 10,000 soldiers through national guard and she turned them down. i had virtually nothing to do. they asked me to make a speech. he incurs those folks to go to that capitol. >> what they have done to some people that are so innocent you ought to be ashamed of yourself. you have destroyed the lives of 70 people. >> two moments that in many ways defined last night's debate, donald trump's performance included his usual stream of grievances, along with many false and misleading claims. however, as you saw in that first clip, the debate was particularly rough for president biden. concerns about his age, perhaps his biggest weakness according to polls, were on full display as he

struggled through many of his responses, speaking with a soft, hoarse voice, which his campaign blamed on a cold. good morning, welcome to "good morning joe, it is friday, june 28th. we have white house chief host of political, also a partner and chief analyst at polk, both in atlanta. mike barnacle joined us and pulled for prize-winning columnist and associated editor of the washington post, and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. it is good to have you all on board. i think we should begin with joe, willie, and me, and get your reflections on the debate last night. >> well, i think i should start by saying, without any apologies , that i love joe biden, and jill, and i will gladly debate anybody, anytime, anyplace,

anywhere over the issue of whether joe biden has been the most effective president in passing bipartisan legislation, and expanding nato, and responding to the rise in threat coming from china by flexing america's strength around china, by having the strongest economy in the world, bar none, the strongest economy actually relative to the rest of the world in 50, 60, 70 years, the strongest dollar in half a century, the strongest military relevant to the rest of the world. i would argue and many others would argue, since 1945, i think. this presidency has been an unqualified success. if, however , you believe, as do i, and as

do so many people who watch this program, and who fear just how dark of a place a second donald trump term will take america, then i think it is critical that we ask the same questions about this man i love, respect, and whose public service in saving this country from donald trump over the last three and half years i honor, and always will, i think we have to ask the same questions of him that we have asked of donald trump since 2016, that is , if he were ceo and he turned

in a performance like that, would any corporation in america, any fortune 500 corporation in america keep him on as ceo? if this work donald trump,-- time and time again, we talked about goldwater, where is barry goldwater to walk over and tell richard nixon it was over, to tell donald trump it is over? and now, the question is, do democrats need to do the same thing of joe biden? these are hard questions, but the fact is, friends, failure is just not an option. in 2024, failure is not an option. who i love, who i respect, who art revere for their work and duty to service over their lifetime really is not relevant. it is

not relevant for any of us. it is not relevant for democratic leaders it is not relevant for anyone. the question is-- we note joe biden can govern. i will debate that issue with anybody and i will win. i will destroy anybody that wants to debate joe biden's record over the past 2 1/2 years . he can run the white house, he can run the country effectively, despite the barrage of lies that constantly come at him, like donald trump's lies last night, but can he run for president in 2024? donald trump lied, over, and over, and over, and over again, and joe biden couldn't respond to any of those lies. in fact, as the "new york times" said, he spent much of the night with

his mouth agape and his eyes darting back and forth. he could not fact check anything donald trump said. not only that, he missed one layup, after another, after another. he could not respond effectively to donald trump trying to overthrow american democracy on january 6th. he could not respond effectively to donald trump's continued stream of lies about his own record, and he could not even respond effectively on the issue of abortion, where for some reason, he darted wildly to the issue of immigration. and on immigration, as i said yesterday morning, in the democrat that can't return to their republican opponent and blast them for killing the strongest, toughest border bill in the history of america, drafted by a right-wing senator from oklahoma may not be up to

the job. so, that is the question. i know people are waiting-- and david puff, i have such great respect for david puff, he said, we need to wait three or four days, because donald trump really turned off swing voters in a lots of focus groups once they saw him again. and that makes a lot of sense. but the door was opened so many times. this race should not be close. we have been asking, why this race is close, we have no idea why this race is close. we saw last night like this race has been close and why, i fear, donald trump will be the next president of the united states, unless things change. the one thing i know that you believe, it may have been because he was sick, and i am open to that fact. i will say, as i have said on

the show, i spent three hours with this man may be back in march, three hours coaching him on top of the issues, on top of every issue around the world. and last night, he simply was not on the biggest debate stage ever. i think what surprised me and what surprised a lot of people very close to joe biden is the fact that this man always rises to the occasion, and last night was sadly, for him, and i believe for democrats in this country, and again, if you believe what is at stake in this election, what we believe is at stake, i will even use the word tragically, tragically did not rise to the occasion last night. we have lots more to get to this hour. "morning joe weekend" continues after a short break. break. [ engine revving ] oh now we're torquin'! the dodge hornet r/t.

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for me, i have been in politics long enough and i have been around politics long enough to know that often, time does not heal all wounds, and if this debate does not lead to serious discussions between democrats and the president, then what you end up having is this sort of frozen political situation where democrats then start convincing themselves two, three, five, 10 days out that the guy in power, the guy that closes to power will subtly start spinning and believe their spin. i don't believe that it is panic. i am the first one-- we talked about democratic bedwetting, that is not this. this is like a war. we see a political battle for democracy, and this is like

losing a major battle. is it panic after a war where a major battle is lost to say, don't know if this general is up to leading the troops the rest of the way? again, these are just things that democrats will have to answer the next couple of days. i am curious your thoughts. >> we will talk about the substance over the next few hours of the show, last night. donald trump did what he does. he lied. he lied about having the greatest economy in the history of the role. he lied about his role january 6. he lied about immigration during his administration. he lied, and he lied, and he lied. that is all true. the problem is, the american people are watching to see if joe biden in this moment-- we

watched and we were talking about how people tune in to two, three big moments, last night was one of those to see if he was up to the job. the resounding answer last night, anyway, was no. it happened in the first 10, 12, 15 minutes. there has been a lot of talk in the last 12 hours about how elected officials, democrats, insiders, campaign strategists, people who have to run on the ballot this fall worried about if they will have to lose if joe biden is on the ballot, also donors, their concern. that is only conversation we will have in a minute and what that means. the bigger problem is regular people, people who don't watch cable news every day, people who are not on twitter, people who do not absorb politics the way we do, they watched last night and said, my god, i don't think he is up to this. they did tune in last night, many democrats hoping for the best. instead, their worst fears were confirmed. i, like you guys, i heard kamala harris's name a lot last

night, i heard gavin newsom's name a lot last night, governor josh shapiro, wes moore's name last night, people who desperately want what you just laid out, joe, which is to prevent donald trump from being in the white house again, last night becoming convinced, and maybe their minds could be changed, but it did not feel like it last night, that joe biden could not beat donald trump. that is the message, not just from party insiders, but from regular people who decide the election. >> the thing is, this is not because-- i don't think any democrat would want anything to be about power, or about personality, or about a personality cult. none of this is personal. i remember telling greg reach gingrich when he was shocked we

were voting to remove him as speaker, this is nothing personal. if we believe in what we believe, i would do this to my mother. i would do this to my mother if i believed she was standing in the way of our goals. in this case, we were talking about a balanced budget, smaller, more effective government back then. now, we are talking about a barnacle democracy. and again, i am not saying that everything happens today, and maybe we wait a week, i am just saying, personal feelings, personal admiration, love, respect, honor , all the things i talked about in my feelings about joe biden, joe biden and their family that

mika and her family have felt for years, that i have felt as long as i have known him, about joe biden, i cannot play a role in any of this. this is a battle for the future of american democracy. and now is a good time, in june, thank god, in june, not october, in june, this is the last chance to democrats to decide whether this man we have known and loved for a very long time is up to the task of running for president of the united states. your thoughts, mike? >> it would be hard to be more insightful than what we have heard from you, mika, and willie in the last 10 or 15 minutes about what happened last night. watching last night, i was reminded of a friendship i've had for a long time with the late kenny o'donnell, who was then technically chief of staff to john f. kennedy.

kennedy used to say that the primary job of chief of staff for anyone that close to the presidency was to tell the president the bad news. we now know what the bad news was from last night. joe biden had an awful night here at a terrible night. going forward, it is going to be up to-- my phone, like mika's phone, like everyone's phone was filled last night with messages from the donor class, people indicating they were crying watching the thing, people upset because of what they perceived to be joe's really, really bad night visually, and it is such a visual thing, the tv and the mouth agape quote from "the "new york times"." all accurate, all true. people indicating to me on the phone, messages, phone calls, that they felt badly for him. unfortunately, nobody votes for president of the united states because they feel badly for

someone. elections come as you just indicated, joe, are about the future. the panic is now in full blown, i would assume, among the democrats, people who put together these tickets who vote for delegates, who will go to the convention, full-blown panic. there is no doubt about that. the interesting aspect, the only perhaps hopeful aspect of this is, what are the polls going to show on sunday, or monday, an in-depth poll about finally, you saw donald trump for fully an hour and a half whining about every single issue that impacts people's lives. lying about abortion, lying about taxes, lying about the economy, just full blown lies. unfortunately, last night, president biden me with every fastball hanging over the plate, go right by. you are watching "morning joe weekend" we will be right

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let's bring in the democratic governor of pennsylvania, josh shapiro, a member of the national advisory board. good to have you this morning. as we have been discussing the last couple of hours, even some of president biden's strongest supporters, people who have stood with him throughout the years, critical of his debate performance last night. what is your assessment of what you saw? >> i think joe biden had a bad debate night. he does not change the fact that donald trump was a bad president. a bad president who whipped ripped away our, a bad president who drove our economy into a ditch, a bad president who is estimated economy change. a guy who stood on the stage last night and not only lied about his past, but lied about the things he is proposing for

the future. that is what i took away from this debate. that is what i saw and i think we still have a clear contrast in this race. nothing about the debate change that last night. nothing about the debate change the fact that women in this country have to worry if they gave the keys to the white house to donald trump again. nothing about the debate last night change the fact that the middle class is screwed if donald trump is put in charge again. i think the clear contrast continues in this race. i think what we need to do now is continue to go out and prosecute the case against donald trump. >> as we catalog all morning, he lied from start to finish about his record on covid, about his record on the economy, about his role on january 6th. what the concern comes from for democrats is exactly that, how high the stakes are and that immigrants must win the election to prevent donald trump, they say, from becoming president again, implement and perhaps an even harsher regime, an even harsher list of policy goals that he had this time around.

are you more concerned that you were 24 hours ago that joe biden is up for that job? >> i would say, democrats stop worrying and start working. we all have a responsibility here to do our part. i have said on this show before and i have said many times, while this election is a binary choice between joe biden and donald trump, this election is more of a reflection upon all of us and what kind of country we want to build for ourselves, whether we want to go backwards to the dark times that donald trump has promised, or whether we want to continue and try and move forward, to try and build a society that is more fair, more just, to try and continue to build an economy where we are putting people to work and where we are able to accomplish meaningful things. i think we can't lose sight of the fact that for all the challenges we have, this thing is moving in the right direction

. as i have said before, we are producing more energy than ever before in this nation, giving us a level of freedom and independence, national security we never had before. for all the hammering about china, for the first time we are kicking china's but in a long time. as i have also said before, we can't lose sight of the fact that this morning, after people turn off "morning joe weekend" and go to work, more people will go to work in america than ever before. there are contrasting visions , contrasting records, and there is a lot for us to be hopeful for and a lot for us to be proud of in terms of where this nation is headed. now, the task falls to each of us to make sure we share the case with friends and neighbors, or in my case, with all of you this morning and we have a responsibility to stop worrying and stop looking back first and stop worrying and

looking forward. >> accept, governor, people are kind of worried after last night. i totally get this argument overall, especially given the contrast, but i am now going to ask you a question, given what i have been hearing the past two hours. you are talking a lot about his accomplishments, and there are many. i personally believe, there will be many more if he won the presidency again and would continue to try and get one of the most important things, women's rights back, women's healthcare back. i understand the stakes, but people are talking about joe biden, and whether or not he is okay, they are asking the question, can he do this? can he run this race? they are asking a question in a big way. some are saying, he needs to resign from the race. does he need to prove he is okay? if he is not, does he need to resign and someone else take over? >> i will say, i have had the opportunity to work closely with both the former president and president biden.

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effectively address serious issues like homelessness, drug abuse, and mental health. kristof's new column is titled, what have we liberals done to the west coast? and then he writes quote, the problem is not with liberalism, it is with west coast liberalism, the two high states of sheltered homelessness are california and oregon. the three states of lowest rates of sheltered homelessness are all blue ones in the northeast, vermont, new york, and maine. the lowest rates of sheltered homelessness in those three northeast blue states. my take is, the west coast central problem is not so much that it is unserious, it is that it is infected with an ideology that it is focused more on intentions that oversights and outcomes and may i add, the health and safety of those very people that are out

on the streets. maybe a healthy republican party keeps the democratic party healthy, and vice versa. nick joins us now. i apologize for the editorial inside of your editorial. this has been maddening to me for quite some time, especially with so much at stake in 2022, and now 2024. you look at the west coast and i just could not agree with you more. one of my complaints, and the reverend and i talk about this all the time, there's nothing progressive about putting people with mental health challenges out on the street, sleeping over great in cold, freezing weather. there's nothing progressive about chanting, the fund the police from your park slope coffeehouse , when there are parents that are in some of the truly disadvantaged parts of new york city, philadelphia, and across america that say, we need more police officers on our streets while our kids are walking to school. we need more police officers

around schools, around grocery stores, around churches here this sort of progressive is him somehow leaves the most truly disadvantaged behind. >> look, the metric of progressivism should be progress and we are just not seeing that progress in one area after another from crime, to mental health services, to addiction. in fact, they are going the wrong way. this is something that is sort of personal to me. as you know, i am in this blue- collar farming community in rural oregon. it has been, as you say, the most vulnerable who tend to get left behind, who don't get the education results oregon and washington have below average graduation rates. i indeed, in terms of homelessness, i had a schoolmate who was struggling with alcoholism and mental health problems, and was sleeping out

in the open, and in some other states, you might have been able to get commuted to an institution, and here that was not possible. stacy froze to death one winter night. it is possible to see how we were protecting stacy, rather than completely failing her. >> nick, one of the things that really struck me about reading your column is that, i have always talked with joe about latte liberals. it struck me that a lot of what we are seeing that we call progressive , and i like what you said, the root word is progress, is they see people as social experiments, like they are in class somewhere at an ivy league school, rather than human beings that they are supposed to be solving the problem. talk about how the human

element, and when you talk about the homeless person that froze to death, the human element seems absent from some that call themselves progressive, because i consider myself progressive, but not them, the human element is just as much removed from them as it is from people we see on the far right. >> yeah, i do believe that experiments, i must say, i think that is how we figure out what works. the problem is, the experiments we too often have done seem rooted in theater and politics always involve some theater. out here too often, it has been governance that has just been theater as well. and the upshot is this incredible golf queen our intentions between our values and outcomes. and there is the west coast, like much of the country, was deeply concerned about history of racist policing after the george loyd case, about deep,

race gaps, and those are real and need to be addressed. one way, in which in portland that was addressed was a bunch of well-meaning folks created a portland bail fund, which was meant to provide bail for people of color. this was well- intentioned, addressed a real problem here the upshot was that they used that bail fund to bail out an african american man who had violated his restraining order in a domestic violence case. once bailed out, he went to the home of his ex, who he had previously threatened, and she was stabbed to death, and he is now awaiting trial for that murder. it sure looks as if we had a very well meant effort to support people of color that ended up taking the life of a woman of color. >> nick, do you feel like there are good solutions on the table

to help homelessness in particular that are not being picked up either by the state legislator or cities, because of concerns that some elements of the policy will offend the constituency, or are the solutions just not-- or do we not even know what the right solutions are? >> i think one of the paradoxes of homelessness is that we have solutions before we got rid of them. traditionally, we had running houses, boarding houses, we had a lot of cheap housing. mobile home lots, things like this. and we engaged in zoning, which had many advantages, single- family zoning, but that did raise the cost of housing. i think there is this misperception that it is all about addiction. indeed, addiction has a big interplay with homelessness,

but west virginia has an enormous problem with addiction and they don't have a problem with homelessness, because that is in west virginia, you can rent a place for $650 a month. if one could do that in san francisco, portland, or seattle, we would have much less of a problem. i think it has been frustrating that we know intellectually that we need to build more housing, but we have made it very difficult and expensive to build that housing. coming up, the deadly impact the harsh texas abortion law has had on infant mortality. we will discuss the tragic new numbers. numbers. being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment

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according to researchers, the ban contributed to a 13% increase in deaths of babies less than a year old. the study compared infant death rates in texas to more than two dozen other states between 2018 to 2022. in texas, infant deaths spiked the year the state's abortion ban was passed. deaths in the rest of the country increased by only 2% comparatively. the texas law is one of the strictest in the country. it prohibits abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, usually at about six weeks into the pregnancy, when a woman perhaps does not even know she is pregnant. it does not allow exceptions for rape, incest , or fatal defects in a fetus. that is pretty sick. for the party of trump, you support

this, you are the party of death, not the party of life. lauren, later i will ask you to comment on this, but seriously, you are the party republicans supporting a residential candidate that does not want to save lives, that wants to take lives, okay, of not just babies, but of women who are left without the healthcare they need, who are left to bleed out who are not getting procedures they need that could save their lives, that could prevent them from being sterilized, that could prevent their families from mental anguish and agony and losing the mother of a household. so, that is the party trump is running right now. it is the party that takes lives and this data is beginning to back that up. and this data, lauren, is just about babies that are dying since this ban was put into effect. thinking about the women whose lives on the line if they live in texas.

>> the suffering is pretty stunning. i think in some ways, the study is not surprising, because a part of what the abortion ban in texas has done is been to force women to deliver nonviable fetuses, nonviable babies, since that is what the suppose it pro-life movement wants to call them. that is what is so perverse about all of this. by forcing women to carry these pregnancies to term, even when the child may have no chance of life, you are inflicting a level of suffering on these families that is so completely unnecessary and sick, as you say. i also think it is important to note that the other data coming out is that the number of abortions since the dobbs decision has increased, they have not decreased. it is the goal of the suppose it pro-life movement is to preserve life, you have to ask, why are they not investing in better post natal or prenatal care, why are they not supporting healthcare services and welfare services for poor

families that are now being forced to have babies? why is it that the number of abortions are actually going up? it is the total hypocrisy of these laws, which don't work for me which inflict extraordinary levels of suffering on families, which are forcing women to give birth, in many cases, to stillborn children. it is just appalling. >> it really is. cofounder and ceo of all in together, lauren, thank you for coming on this week. we really appreciate it. next, luke russert explains the new msnbc live event, quote, democracy 2024. cy 2024.

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a new, one of its kind life events will give you a chance to join the conversation on, this presidential election. over a dozen msnbc anchors will gather together for what is being called msnbc live, democracy 2024, happening on september 7th at the brooklyn academy of music. you can scan the qr code on your screen for tickets or visit msnbc.comé democracy 2024. joining us now, the host and creative director of msnbc live, luke russert. this is cool. you have a lot of us going there.

the in-person aspect of it i think is so valuable at this time. everybody is so spread out for so many different reasons. what do you have hope to accomplish at this event? >> good morning, mika. thank you for having me. this is something you know very well through your "know your worth" series, the value of contributors getting out into the field, and interacting with our incredible viewers and audience. we are so blessed at this network to have an engaged and loyal following that likes to communicate their feelings, likes to stay engaged and stay involved. we thought, hey, why not go out there, put everybody under one roof, and have a celebration of not only msnbc, and everything we do to celebrate the most important component of our family me that is the viewers we are doing that september 7th at the brooklyn academy of music. we have two sessions, a dinner option. we will also show a very special film. if you want to see steve

kornacki do his big board in person and learn about all of the bells and whistles you can do it. you can see rachel maddow, lawrence o'donnell, joy reeve. you can see a lot of other contributors there and there will be other surprises that i think more so than anything, we want to foster a connection with our incredible viewers and have these organic conversations and interactions that you can't necessarily do through a tv segment or can't necessarily do through a tv screen. that is the goal. i think we will definitely achieve it. it will be wonderful. it is cool msnbc wants to get into the space it started out. it is a unique space and we are excited to be trailblazers in it. >> it is a unique space, also you get a sense when you meet with people in real time, what their questions are, what their concerns are. these are not like anonymous questions coming from twitter. what are some of the topics, especially given the gravity of this election, and some would say that democracy is at stake.

what are some of the topics you are hoping to dig into? >> democracy is obviously this large scale topic in this large umbrella where so many things fit underneath it. we bring up democracy, here is september 7th, roughly 2 months out from the most consequential presidential election of our lifetimes. that is always said, this time it is very true. we want to take the expertise we have underneath our own brother at msnbc and dive into the issues that are most meaningful . on the polling front, that is where someone like steve kornacki can, with the latest numbers and people like can break those down and give you in-depth analysis across tabs. where are the votes for president biden? where are the votes for former president trump? how is that looking? in the evening pulse of the country, where we are as a citizen ring? what are the issues that are proven to be

most memorable, and how would the campaign speak to them during the last two months of the election, and really what is the pulse of the country? i think we will have a ton of experts in that space. one of the great things about msnbc is that we have a diversity of opinions . and they will be there. and a diversity of ideology and background will be there and be hurt and it will be an exciting night. come on down to the brooklyn academy of music september 7th. you don't want to miss it. host and creative director of msnbc live, luke russert. thank you very much. it is great to have you on the show. this will be amazing. we look forward to it. thank you, very much. that is all we have time for on this saturday morning. we are back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern for another round of "morning joe weekend." until then, enjoy the rest of your day. our day. good morning, it is saturday,