welcome back to "the weekend." editorial board's call for biden to step aside. a campaign aide responded by saying the last time biden lost the paper's endorsement, it, quote, turned out pretty well for him. since the debate, the president has been hitting the trail, from north carolina to new york, addressing concerns over his joining us now to discuss, biden strategist anita dunn. she is here speaking in her personal capacity. >> greetings, anita. let's just -- we talked a lot about what the president said in raleigh on friday after the debate. i want to play that, and then we obviously have some questions for you on the other side. this is the president in

raleigh, north carolina, after the debate. >> iol don't debate as well as used to, but i know what i do know. >> that's right. >> i know how to tell the truth! [ applause ] i know, i know, i know right from wrong! and i know how to do this job! i know how to get things done! and i know, like millions of americans know, when you get knocked down, you get back up! [ applause ] >> strong and resolute biden there yesterday. after that event happened, a number of, not just reporters, but strategists said, this is great and good, and this was better for him than the debate night, but more people saw the debate than sawpe this. what to you say to folks who say, hmm, raleigh, what he did in north carolina is good, but it is not enough to n reassure voters? >> well, as you know, a debate

is one moment in a campaign. the reality is that i think voters experienced this debate a little differently than perhaps some of the insiders did. we were looking at a lot of research. other people were looking at ongoing research, as well, during it. voters focus on issues important to them. so, you know, i think that what you will see, as you often see after these debates, are not huge changes. the president is going to continue to be out there, and he is going to make his case for why donald trump is a threat to this country and why there is a better path ahead for america. it's an america where everybody is included, where everyone has an opportunity, and where the federal government is not seen as an instrument of retribution and revenge, where you don't have a dictator on day one, where you have a true democracy, where people can disagree. at the end of the day, we all come together behind certain basic american values. so that's what he is going to continue to talk about, and he will draw a that contrast as he

did yesterday in north carolina, as he did in the debate, and as he will d moving forward. >> i think a lot of reaction, and i appreciate the point about the insider class, the beltway community of polls and, you know, officials who look at this through jaundice lens, actually, and the voters out there, and the polling seems to show that. >> yeah. >> despite a very, very poor performance, the president has seemingly held his own in thema eyes of folks across the country. eric holder, former attorney general, noted, cut biden loose. let biden be biden. cut him loose and let him fight. and always, always, consider the alternative. i happen to agree with eric holder. i think, in my estimation, anita, the president was ill-prepared for the gentleman standing opposite him. didn't need to have all the data points. what he needed to do was look at

the president and say, "you're a liar." look at the camera and say, "he is a raliar." reinforce the narratives you talk about around those issues. what i'm telling you is about the future. what he is telling you is a lie. is that going to be part of the recovery of this, to sort of, to eric's ofpoint, get the preside out there, show donald trump to be the liar and charlatan that he is, both in his personal capacity as a candidate and as he was as a president? >> michael, that's a great point. what youel saw in north carolin yesterday was exactly that. >> mm-hmm. >> which was, here's who i am. here's what i believe. here's who he is. you know, i think it's being lost on a lot of reporters in the chattering class that donald trump turned in a performance in which, three times, he refused to say he would accept the results of this election. he had three opportunities to say that. where he showed exactly who he was. you know, the bullying, the

yelling, the bragging, all of that was on full display during this debate, and i think that the president, you know, came across as someone who is interested in issues. some of the things that he talked about that people really are concerned about. child care, for instance, it's a huge issue in this country. anyone who has had to pay for child care knows it is a huge issue in thisws country. i think that, you know, the president is who he is. he does believe the american people have a right to know what he's done and what he is going to do moving forward, but he also believes the american people need to understand the contrast. if you saw him yesterday in north carolina, as you'll see him over the next several weeks on the campaign trail, that's what he's going to be doing. >> i appreciate the distinction betweene voters and the chattering class. what do you say to members of the house of representatives, democrats who are on the phone with reporters saying that the president needs to step down? >> we're basically saying, the president is the only person out there who has ever beaten donald

trump, and he will do it again. we're all going to work together on this. i thought that governor shapiro -- >> those seem like kinds words you're using with us. i wonder if the words are so kind. >> i will always be kind to you. >>ys anita, i have -- we've all talked to a number of the, you know, folks in the media, and also to alicia's point, elected officials, strategists, operatives, not people who work for the president but peoplees outside who say, the biden team got it wrong. they are -- someone said to me yesterday evening, they're arrogant. they think they knowin better. look what he did on the debate stage. what is your response to those folks who say, you all -- the biden campaign people said they know what they're doing, and joe biden went on the'r biggest sta he had prior to convention and fumbled the ball? they're being very critical. >> that'sve a shock, symone. [ laughter ] la that has never happened to the

biden operation the entire time i've been involved in it. you know, i thought barack obama put it best yesterday, and i well remember being onda sets le this inr 2012 after the first debate that he conducted. he said bad debates happen. they do.d good debates happen. as the president said yesterday, you know, maybe he isn't as great a debater as he used to be. i would just tend to say it wasn't his greatest debate. but it's 90 minutes in a campaign and in an administration where he has achieved enormous things. maybe it wasn't a great debate, but he has been a great president. that is the case he is going to take to the american peopleis a the campaign will take, and we will contrast it with where donald trump wants to lead this country.o because, you know, one of the things that's amused me about the coverage here has been, oh, trump lied the entire time and showed how unhinged he is and has no plan for the future that don't involve taking away people's rights, that don't involves, using the federal

government as an institution of revenge and retribution. but, hey, we didn't think that joe biden, you know, could win a tony award off of his performance. i think there is an issue here of what's really important to voters. because voters get to make these decisions. i wouldon say joe biden got ove nearly t 3900 delegates as he gs into this convention. they were elected by voters in a democracy. as we move v forward, obviously he's going to -- it is up to him, it's up to our campaign to make the case. we know that, okay? we know that it is up to us to make the case for his re-election. more importantly, for where this country needs to go in the future. that is a critical piece of this. >> let's do a little bitce of strategery. >> yes. >> my favorite bushism. i think at the end of the day, anita, you and i sort of cut in that back room, sort of looking, okay, how do we move the pieces on the chess board?

you have david plouffe saying -- obama's former campaign manager saying,ig we're at defcon 1. you have to pay attention. >> yup. >> the interesting aspect of the defcon 1 position is that you had this, the day before this debate, adam kinzinger come out and endorse joe biden. there is a concerted effort to get republicans of same mind to come and stand with joe biden in this fight for s our country. >> yes. >> how does that performance affect that work, and what level of strategic cleanup do you need to do to reassure those who are going to be a part of this coalition that needs to come together, very much like it did in ve'20, to stand with this president, that what they saw was an aberration, not a thread that yoube can continue to see pulled on and have, you know, a problem with? >> i think that is a great

point. people like adam kinzinger, people who are willing to, have been willing to stand up to what your former political party has become and where it is going are extraordinaryre human beings. i respect the trump people, former trump people, former republicans whoe, have stood upo say this is unacceptable. this is not what my party is. this is not what my country is. an enormous amount because of the abuse that those people take. really, the fear some people have in terms of standing up and telling the truth. you know, clearly, it is on us to reassure those people that this is a presidency, a president, and a campaign that they want to align with, understanding, they're not going to agree with joe biden. >> right. >> or this administration. >> right. >> on a lot of issues. you know, one thing about joe biden that i think we all know is he is not someone who is going to say, if you don't agree with me 100%, you're not invited

in. >> right. >> he's someone who believes in that broad coalition and in people who disagree with him. so i think that it is up to us to say to those people, here's the plan, here's what we're going to do, and for the president to go out and make the case. this is really, at the end of the day, for the president to go out and bes eric holder. >> we are out of time, but we'd be remiss if we did not ask. you all didn't have any conversations about, oh, should joe biden pull out of the race? >> bisymone, you worked with us >> i know. we're right here, and i said, we might as well ask. there are people chattering that you did. i was like, well, let's ask anita dunn. is it a yes or no? >> no. the conversation we had is, co okay, what do we do next, okay? if there's one thing we're about, it's, okay, barack obama said, bad debates happen. we had a bad debate. what do we do next? the president, above all, is focused on what do we do next?

what do i need to go do? i think you saw in north carolina, he knew exactly what he neededca to do yesterday. >> i want to do a follow up. would you stick around? >> yeah. >> there's another piece of that i'd like to chat with a you abo. you're watching "the weekend," and we're going to spend a little more time with anita dunn right after this. -unnecessary action hero ... the nemesis. -it appears that despite my sinister efforts, employees are still managing their own hr

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strategist anita dunn is back with us, speaking in her personal capacity. >> okay. anita, how are y'all going to win this race? what is your pitch? what is your 30-second or one-minute, if you will, but we'd prefer the 30 version, elevator pitch to how you're going to win this with the infrastructure, delegates? convention is coming up, but how do you lock this down for november? >> symone, since the debate, the biden campaign, our grassroots supporters donated over $27 million to this campaign. we're going to win because people in this country know they face a fundamental choice. we will make that choice clear for them. it is a choice about an america where we respect the constitution, where everybody gets an opportunity, where we respect each other, where we don't demonize and attack each other, where we don't bully each other, where we all move forward, and where there is an economy that works for the middle class. when the middle class grows, the economy grows. the choice is very stark. you heard on the debate stage

donald trump talk about more tax cuts for the wealthiest and for the corporations. they're going to be great. they're beautiful tax cuts. you heard him refuse to say he would accept the results of this election, not once, not twice, but three times. listen, the other night on the stage, there was only one person convicted of 34 felonies, who has been found liable for sexual assault, who has been barred from doing business in new york state because of his business practices, and who is still under indictment in three other places -- for three other cases. we're going to make the case, who believes that person should have an entry-level job at the mall, much less become president of the united states? character matters, but the vision of america matters, as well. that is actually how we win. >> the interesting thing, anita, is you're running not just

against trump, but you're also running against an incredibly well-orchestrated effort that is looking 360 at the federal government bureaucracy, civil service. project 2025, which we have been focused on, having kevin roberts on last week. let's take a listen to symone asking him an important question and his answer. >> do you think that women in america should be able to get an abortion if that is what their doctor says they need? >> abortion is not health care. >> do you believe -- >> abortion can happen until three days after the person is born? this is an absurd framing by this network. >> that is an absurd assertion. as a person with a womb, i'm telling you, that does not happen.

>> symone made, i thought, the most important point there. she said, as a person with an actual womb. it has amazed me how much men control this conversation. one of the things i think is interesting about joe biden, you can hear in how he tals about this issue, that the voices of women in his environment, in the political space, but more importantly around the country, is reflecting that back. how does this issue, along with others in the face of what project 2025 wants to do, play out for this campaign, and are you doing more to elevate it so people fully understand and appreciate what this country looks like by june of 2025 or, you know, 2027? >> michael, i, like symone, is speaking as a person with a womb. i don't know if it gives me special status.

you know, joe biden has been clear since the dobbs decision came down. june 24th, 2022. the only solution, the only solution to protect this fundamental right, and the first right the supreme court has taken away from people in this country, from women in this country, the only solution is elect a congress that will pass a law codifying roe v. wade that he will sign. conversely, he will pledge to veto any attempt at a national ban. project 2025 is scary, and people should be scared. you know, last time donald trump became president, he had no idea what he was doing. the people around him had no idea what they were doing. we got a lot of unforced errors that i think saved us from very, very bad policy during the four-year period. however, his legacy with the supreme courts and supreme court

that took away rights for women to make health care decisions and to get health care, to get basic health care is one that he clearly intends to build on. project 2025 is about making sure it doesn't matter where you live. doesn't matter if you live in maryland, in michigan, in new york, in california, it's all as florida if project 2025 becomes law. women have health issues when pregnant, and sometimes pregnancies go wrong. part of what the campaign is doing is making sure people hear those stories. it is heartbreaking to sit with women who were carrying pregnancies, who had started decorating those little nurseries, who had names picked out. i mean, you know, when you're carrying that baby, that baby is your baby. and have a pregnancy go wrong, the worst part, discovering they couldn't get the necessary health care they needed and almost had to die before anyone

would take care of them. >> to help them, yeah. >> that is the reality of living in 22 states in the united states of america in 2024. how did we get here? >> we've got a minute left, but i want to ask you, i felt like there were three people on the stage. there was joe biden. there was donald trump. there was the boogieman donald trump was dragging on the stage, migrants and asylum seekers. this is clearly going to be his answer to everything, which is immigrants, migrants, asylum seekers are the problem. how do you make a really sharp contrast on this question? >> the president has been really clear and will continue to be clear. if you look at the executive order that the -- i'm trying to figure out how to do this legally. if you look at what he has said about immigrants and the role they play in this country, the importance of keeping families together, but that is a clear contrast. donald trump has said he will deport over 10 million people who are living in this country,

part of their communities, part of their churches, part of their families, and he'll rip those families apart. that's a contrast the president will draw. >> it's not only what he already has done, it is what he is promising to do. >> it's what he will do. ten million plus people ripped out of their communities. that is just not the america that joe biden wants to live in. >> what is -- black job, hispanic job? >> you want to tell me about that? >> trying to figure it out, anita. >> anita dunn, thank you for being with us. next, the supreme court finally set to decide the question of presidential immunity this monday. we'll discuss next on "the weekend."

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insurrectionists. the democracy docket notes this means sentences could be adjusted for hundreds of january 6th defendants who have already been convicted. joining us now is the fourth downer of democracy docket, marc elias, and former federal prosecutor ankush khardori, a senior writer for "politico" magazine. expound on the democracy docket piece there. what the heck did the supreme court do this week as it relates to this particular case? >> yeah, look, i think the most important story of the week, and i recognize there's a lot of other things going on, may well be the u.s. supreme court undercut one of the main prosecution tools the department of justice has used to prosecute january 6th defendants. at the same time donald trump refused to admit on the debate stage to abide by the outcome of the 2024 election. this case involved the application of what i thought was a straightforwardly worded

statute that made it a federal crime to obstruct an official proceeding. majority of the supreme court interpreted that, given its history and the structure of the statute, to only apply in instances where that obstruction involved documents or records or other tangible items. it may well lead to the dismissal of a number of charges and resentencing of individuals, including that of donald trump. it won't undue the case against donald trump in its entirety, but it sends a powerful signal right now to a bunch of people who are planning to subvert the election in 2024, that they may just be able to get away with it. >> your point was taken up by justice amy coney barrett who broke with the conservatives this week, noting fisher's alleged conduct, which includes trespassing and a physical confrontation can law enforcement was part of a

successful effort to forcibly halt the certification of the election results. given the premises, the case that fischer can be tried for impeding a processing seems open and shut. why does the court hold otherwise? ankush, why does the court hold otherwise? >> because they are -- [ laughter ] >> they're contextualists. i agree with marc, this should not have been a close call legally speaking. it is worth noting justice jackson joined the majority. we shouldn't be totally one sided about it. but i do think the correct way to read this law was for it to apply to all of the people that it's been applied to. however, i will just say that on a note of optimism, i think the practical impact of the ruling is likely to be much narrower than i think people currently think.

the most obvious application seems to be people with only charges under that statute and are yet to be sentenced or have time remaining on the sentence. when all is said and done, the people in that category, meaning that a judge would actually have to resentence them and that would materially affect a reduction in their sentencing, i think we may be talking dozens, not hundreds of people. >> what about trump specifically? >> for trump specifically, i'd be less worried about this for two reasons. one, the theory that -- well, it's the law, that the statue has to apply only when there is evidence or documentary impairment, it's there with the so-called false electors, right? even in the confines of the supreme court's decision, the justice department's prosecution would arguably meet the standard. even if it did not, even if the statue for some reason, the charges got dismissed or the justice department dismissed them, which they will not do, all of the evidence that would be available or relevant to those charges would come in

under other charges anyway. the other charges pending under section 241 and section 371. those are the other charges pending against trump. practically speaking, all of the same evidence, all of the same conduct would come before the jury if this case goes to trial. i'm dubious if there is a conviction, it'd materially affect the outcome. >> i know there's more -- i mean, i was struck -- marc said this was quite possibly one of the most important decisions that was made this past week. i was scanning the socials and reading through things yesterday, marc, and it was the president, co-counsel, naacp legal fund, president nelson, and she said it is notable that the court declined to hear mckesson versus doe, which was the case that left the ruling in place that basically said a protector, someone aligned with the black lives matter movement in this case, can be, you know, not held accountable for the actions of other protesters, and

police officers can essentially sue them. they didn't want to take that up, but they decided to take this up. why decide to hear this case? what is the calculation here? >> symone, you are putting front and center, i think, something that is just not focused on enough. this u.s. supreme court heard just about 60 cases last year. out of tens of thousands of potential cases they could have heard, they chose 60 of of them. they chose a case to allow january 6th defendants to have charges -- make it harder to prosecute them. they chose a case involving donald trump's immunity. by taking the case and delaying the ruling, they effectively conveyed immunity by delay and preventing him from having a trial before the election. they chose a number of other cases that allowed them to advance the project 2025 initiative that you so eloquently dismantled the author

of last week on the show. what cases didn't they take, right? they didn't take the cases that would protect the civil rights, civil liberties, voting rights of millions of americans. it is through that choice of what they take and what they don't take that the supreme court can do the bidding and the business that puts in peril so many things in this country that we worry about are being imperilled by another donald trump term. >> what they take, what they don't take, what they move with great speed and what they slow walk. >> yes. i notice they all of a sudden got very patient and cautious with the abortion cases this year. funny how that works. it is an election year, and they seem to decide to kick the can on that, on those decisions, which i suspect if they were to come out the way the republican appointees want, would cause another political firestorm. >> i was thinking of the fact we don't have the immunity ruling. >> absolutely correct. they've slow walked that. we talked about this before.

should have been a summary affirmance of the d.c. circuit opinion, and it shouldn't have taken this long. i share the frustration of where it is sitzsituated, and i'm preparing for a perhaps enraging decision on monday. i have to say, i have one nit to pick with a lot of commentary about the supreme court, which is about, you know, vote counting, is it a 3-3-3 court, 6-3 court? that is an artificial exercise. the point marc made and you identified is the exact right one. they pick what cases fall within the universe of the cases they resolve. you just have to, like, one by one, judge them on their merits. i share the concerns people have. >> to that point, that'd explain why the court tossed out the claim that the biden administration coerced social media companies, where, you know, that injunction would have limited contacts between government officials and social media companies. again, the big setup, folks, because now if the trump administration comes on the back backend, free reign between the

interchange with social media and government. >> hold that thought. ankush, we're coming back to you next. aileen cannon, she's wasting all our time. you're watching "the weekend." everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. wanna know a secret? more than just my armpits stink.

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judge aileen cannon delayed another hearing in donald trump's classified documents case, to revisit whether prosecutors misused statements by one of trump's former lawyers. this after cannon heard from the defense team on whether the fbi 2022 search of mar-a-lago was constitutional. her decision to hold the hearings have been called a, quote, waste of time. back with us, marc elias and ankush khardori. >> marc, you put out a tweet which i circled, emboldened, and wanted to put on a plaque. you noted, "in the last few months, the supreme court has silently created a new form of

immunity for donald trump. immunity by delay." what that said to me, i juxtapose that, what the court is doing in this slow roll, then you look at what judge aileen cannon is doing in her slow roll. i don't know how anyone can sit back and say they have confidence in this system, in this judicial system, when every lawyer of any repute across the spectrum is saying the exact same thing. that this is justice by delay. >> yeah. i think the judicial system has a lot to answer for in the way it's handled donald trump's cases. i mean that across the board. the fact s the georgia case got derailed over a complete tertiary issue about hr issues in the prosecutor's office. the d.c. case, as noted, the supreme court has essentially given donald trump the immunity

he seeks simply by delaying the case. if the case is remanded back to the trial court for further hearings, that delay will continue. in florida, aileen cannon's courtroom, you know, this is something out of, like, a dickens' novel. you know, charles dickens wrote a famous story, "bleak house," about a case that'd gone on so long, no one remembered what the case was about. i mean, judge cannon doesn't seem to have any interest in advancing this case anywhere. like, they hold hearings, briefing on the hearings, on the new briefing, the motions, on the hearings. that case is nowhere. the losers are the american people and the judicial system, the people who live under a normal judicial system. you know, the millions of americans who live in the normal judicial system, who watch what happens. when you're donald trump, you don't get held accountable. you can bad mouth judges, threaten witnesses, you can intimidate jurors. your cases don't get brought to trial. it is a real crisis the american

bar association, the judicial conference, needs to deal with. >> ankush, pick up on that point. because i agree with marc. it is a huge crisis here and, frankly, jack smith's team also agree, they're exacerbated, like, oh, my goodness, in the courtroom, to the point where earlier this week, judge cannon had told one of the jack smith lawyers she didn't appreciate their tone. the special counsel's team said trump should be barred from making defamatory statements about fbi agents involved in the case, and judge cannon signalled she didn't understand why that would be needed. what are you saying? she had to admonish the lawyer. even the lawyer was like, all right, lady, basically, like, come on now, is she seeing what we're seeing? this is, in fact, a crisis. again, folks are still acting like this is normal, that we are still operating within the normal confines of normal, regular law for everybody else. we can clearly see with our eyes

and hear with our ears, what we are experiencing is that is not happening for donald trump. >> yes. proceedings before judge cannon, yes, seem to be endless. i think she's we litigating and rehearing everything she can hear. in an effort to spin this forward, because we're talking a lot about 2024 and the election this year, aileen cannon is not going to be on the ballot this year. the supreme court can and should be on the ballot. seats will open up, and i think the answer will be different depending on who is in office, okay? if donald trump is re-elected, i fully expect alito and thomas to step down and for a multi-generation, hard-right, conservative majority to be put in place. they will continue the trends of immunity, of pro-republican presidential rulings, the neutering of the administration. you were talking about the

overruling of the chevron doctrine last hour. there's not much that can be done about aileen cannon. at this point, it is not really that politically relevant. let's be honest. the trial is not happening between now and november. when the decision comes down on monday on the immunity case, that'll be a look forward moment for this country. not just a look back moment but a look forward moment for the country, and it'll help clarify the stakes for 2024. >> i understand the argument you are making about how the cannon case is potentially not politically relevant. i do think, marc, as we talk about a permission structure for the future, that is where it becomes relevant. the fact that we are increasingly learning, you know, there was new abc news reporting about a trip to mar-a-lago that was taken by former president trump, that aides allegedly kept quiet just keep wes before fbi agents stormed in. the classified documents. should this man win a second term, which i think we all understand might not be a neat four years given that he said he

will be dictator on day one, the fact that he has already not been held accountable for obstruction of justice. i explain it to my 7-year-old all the time, for taking things that were not his and refusing to give them back. even she understands that as a concept. it means he will continue to feel at a greater degree as though he is above the law. he will have a judiciary, partly the supreme court, partly the judges he's able to appoint, like cannon, that will be doing his bidding. so when you take it in its totality, the stakes couldn't be clearer, marc. >> yeah, you're right to think of this as a permission structure problem, which is why the through line from the january 6th ruling through cannon's courtroom to the immunity decision is pretty much a straight line. donald trump needs to feel invincible. as importantly, he needs his

supporters to feel like they are invincible. he needs them when he plots his next crime for his co-conspirators to feel like they'll get away with it, as well. if you are thinking about fair elections in 2024, you're seeing the supreme court let off some of the people who were convicted of crimes in 2020. if you are asked by a future president trump to destroy documents, leak them, or to sell them, to do whatever, you are watching what is happening in florida. this is creating a sense, i fear, that as donald trump plots his next crime, that he will get away with it and the people around him will get away with it. so the only way to stop that is for the judicial system to act swiftly and sternly, and that is simply not happening. we have delay. we have immunity by delay.

>> we are going to leave it there. marc elias, ankush khardori, thank you very, very much. just, oh, lord. okay, folks. now, this was news to me. but did you know there is such a thing as a black or hispanic job? the people have not been talking about it, and we are going to dig into donald trump's latest. it wasn't a gaffe. he was intentional, okay? this is the man y'all think will get 30% of the black vote? you are watching "the weekend." the cockroach. resilient creatures. where there is one, others aren't far behind. well that's horrifying. always scavenging... ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier. one application kills and prevents bugs for 365 days. nature is wild. your home doesn't have to be.

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the millions of people he's allowed to come through the border, they're taking black jobs now. it could be 18, could be 19, even 20 million people. they're taking black jobs, and they're taking hispanic jobs. >> hmm. >> what precisely, what jobs with those black and hispanic jobs be, i wonder? >> one, two, three. >> does he think these are black and hispanic jobs? what do you think he was talking about? >> interesting, he said 18, 20 million people coming across the border. >> which is not true. >> which is not true. i guess they're all, what, ceos and, you know -- >> former lawyers, former rnc chairs? >> what black jobs are you talking about, mr. trump? i mean, you want to make a play to black folks, you can't even show up at a barbershop. >> oh, he called in. >> you call into a barbershop, and you're going to talk to us about black jobs? shut the hell up, you know?

why do we even entertain this crazy from this fool? >> first of all, i am very dismayed by after all the op-eds and the reporting about donald trump's outreach to black voters and hispanic men, black and hispanic men specifically, on the debate stage, we got one question. the question was turned into trying to pit, by the answer of donald trump, pitting black people against hispanic people. >> right. >> no one has asked what a black job is, what a hispanic job is. the reporters who are on the trail with donald trump, i want them to ask him. he doubled down, tripled down at his rally in virginia yesterday, talking about it. this is offensive. this is an insult. this lets us know how little he thinks of black and hispanic people in the country. his people had a barbershop event with black business leaders, barbershop roundtable in atlanta. >> imported. >> imported participants. donald trump couldn't even show up. he called in and started talking about his mugshot.

please! please stop writing he is going to get 30% of the black vote. do you think black people are stupid? >> can you make the subtext textual for us, what is is a black job? >> menial work. that's what he is talking about. he is categorizing the skill set of individuals in this country, and he has a view of what we are capable of doing. and nothing more. so when you talk about -- what he is talking about with this, and i've been in this room long enough to know what he is saying because i've heard this crap before, for people who assume that because of the color of your skin, that's all you can do. so let's be straight up about what this man is saying when he talks about people coming across the border, taking black and hispanic jobs. he's talking about taking menial labor work from people, from other people. that is just -- for me, it is not even -- it is beyond racist. it is just un-american.

it diminishes the aspirations of those individuals who do come, and it certainly diminishes the aspirations and opportunities of those of us who are already here. >> it is gross because he thinks he is inoculating himself against claims of racism by saying that. >> which is why he must be asked about it. this matters for 2024 and beyond. you know, which is why i'm glad we are here talking about it. he must be asked about it. he must be rigorously examined, just as we rigorously examined joe biden's terrible debate performance. we have the rigorously examine what donald trump is saying and connect that to what this means for our broader democracy and conversation. >> as said, flip the script. joe biden in the course of that debate had turned around and said, you know, that, you know, i'm about creating, you know, black jobs. what do you think the press would do with that? honey, field day. >> first question would be, what is a black job?

so why isn't the press asking donald trump this, and why do you let him get away with sliding and shifting on the issue without pressing him and making him account for his own words? he'll lie and say, "i didn't have that." >> i love having this conversation every saturday and sunday. soon, we'll get to have this conversation with our audience. >> yes. >> that'll be fun. >> i'm looking forward to that. >> democracy 2024 is our msnbc live event on, what, september 7th. >> mom, you can scan for tickets right there. >> get your phones out, folks. pull your phone out. open the camera. scan for your tickets. go to msnbc.com/democracy2024. we'll be in brooklyn, new york, on september 7th. we'll have this live version of "the weekend." >> i'm so excited. we have to sort of imagine the audience as we do this work. i love all of you who ping us on x and get into our dms, but it is different when you're in the room.

>> i agree. >> you know, it's what we were saying before about the president. it changes you when you are in space with real people and you have a chance to sort of talk to them and react with them. i think with our conversations, we're going to get a whole lot of reaction. >> i can't wait. >> i was talking with rachel about it the other day. she's mad, you only see her from the waist up, so she has to wear pants to the event. we have to wear pants every saturday. >> every weekend, okay? >> i'm a 6. >> i'm not a 6, okay? >> with that -- >> strong 10/12. >> there's more of "the weekend" after this. on "velshi," michael cohen talks about the first presidential debate this election cycle. tomorrow on "inside with jen psaki," see nancy pelosi, and that is right here on msnbc.

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