thanks for thanks for joining us this hour. i'm going to show you something that i'm going to tell you what you're going to see in advance. i'm going to tell you in advance but even so, i'm going to venture a guess that you knowing in advance what is coming, you having me tell you in advance what you are about to see is not going to make it make more sense. let me just describe it ahead of time so you can get your head around it, okay? it's going to start with, i think it is like a bracelet, a decorated bracelet hitting the floor. it is possible that is like a mouthguard or something but that's so gross i don't even want to think about it. were just going to call it bracelet. a decorated bracelet hits the floor then there is a guy with fake fire■ç and that guy then

shows us that he has teeth like this, like the james bond villain, the giant guy that had the metal teeth. has teeth like that and after we see the teeth like that, the next there is a guy who breaks a window with his head and then there is a guy who points. it goes on from there, but that's enough. let's just watch that part now and then we will do the next part. let's start with the bracelet thing. watch this. see? it is just like i said. bracelet, fake fire, metal teeth, head through the window andhen the guy who points. theoretically, it should help to know in advance what is coming in the sequence but it doesn't help that it's still

just as weird but it keeps going. after the pointing guy, we then get a guy motioning like he's going to cut himself in the neck, then you get a guy who kicks the year, and inexplicably, you get the highlight, a guy with vampire teeth, and then the guy with the big fake vampire teeth punches the fake fire and two other guys do punchy things and then it gets really funny. i can't even describe it. there is an audio component and then there is donald trump, so started. roll it right from where the guy just points.■ç >> affliction band, july 19th, at the honda center live on pay- per-view. >> i will say these are tough

looking guys. i asked one of them, how long what i last? he looked at me like i was kidding. that wasn't even nice, but it's an honor to have you in trump tower. i think affliction is going to do really well. >> i just want to say that we did not edit this and cut in a different goofy voice for it was supposed to be a tough guy voice. just, this is how it came out. play the actual announcement part again. listen to the voice here.■ç >> affliction band, july 19th, the honda center, anaheim, california, live on pay-per- view. >> affliction band. they expire -- apparently did not spring for the expensive announcer guy. they just have the intern do it. this is a thing that donald trump failed at in business. i did not know that this was another one of his failed business ventures until new york magazine wrote about yesterday.

in reference to donald trump saying that a rally this weekend that he wants to force immigrants into fighting for entertainment. he wants a migrant cage match fighting league because sure, maybe the lions are all full maybe the lions are all full from the!káráurp's so time for new entertainments for him and his followers. in reference to that bizarre proposal that he made at a political rally this weekend, new york magazine noted that trump in 2008 formed his own mixed martial arts league with the vampire teeth and all the rest of it. >> i think affliction is going to do really well. >> spoiler alert. affliction did not do very well. trump was the face of it. he was the promoter. michael cohen was the coo. trumps mixed martial arts league hosted precisely 2 events in that it failed. then it folded. another in a long line of

illustrious trump business ventures. this one was new to me, but he was operating the vampire teeth break windows with your head thing■ç, which failed, at the same time that he was operating trump university, which was shut down as a scam, as a fraud and a settlement the required trump to pay $35 million to the people who had and ripped off by his suppose it university. he was operating both the vampire teeth thing in the trump university scam at the same time he was also operating the trump foundation, which was also shut down as a scam. it was dissolved by court order and assets ordered redistributed to actual charities while trump had to pay millions of dollars in restitution. he was operating all of those at the same time he was of course running the trump organization, the family business that was built by his father. under donald trump's leadership, that business was found guilty of criminal fraud. it's cfo■ç i

now in president trump himself will be sentenced in a couple of weeks after he was convicted of 34 felonies for using that same business to launder illegal campaign payments. with a record like that naturally, he is luxuriating in support from the business world now. because wow, what a businessman. i can't believe the boxer with the vampire teeth thing didn't work. seems like such a sure bet for a sport that is based on all sorts of punching and kicking and grappling, but not at all on biting, definitely get yourself a vampire teeth guy. that'll work. of the first presidential debate is -- that is a real thing. it's like really. sorry. affliction. ■ç definitely make it sound like it is something you might catch

then ask people to come together in a big collective space to catch the affliction. i'm sorry. the first presidential debate is happening this week, which is weird because it's june. i can't speak to whatever advantage the two campaigns c and having the candidates debate now nearly five months before the election but it means that we are all getting set this week for this face-off between the two candidates and we have very different metrics to look at them we would usually have by the time a presidential debate rolled around well into the fall. polls don't really mean much at this time of the year. polls don't really mean much five months before voting. mosd e1ñvoters will even be paying attention to the race until well into the fall when debates used to normally be scheduled, but as they head into this weird very early debate, the relative strength of their campaigns is something we have to assess by sort of indirect measures, and one of the things that people have been using heading into this debate to contrast the

candidates, to try to sort of measure the strength of each of their campaigns, sort of handicapped their chances at who is going to win the presidency, one of the things people have been using, you made a signal about this in the press the last couple of weeks, is the issue of fundraising. you've most likely seen a lot of headlines and attention to the overall financial contest■ç between these two candidates and if you've been paying attention to those headlines you've likely seen that the financial race between the two candidates used to favor biden but now, trump has reportedly caught up, and along with that bottom-line comparison of the two candidates, you are also seeing really outsized attention now to the very rich people of america, the kind of people who can donate 10, 20, 30, $50 million in one check without breaking a sweat and thereby potentially change the nature of the race.

very rich people like that have started to write those kinds of checks. there is a rich man named timothy millan, who earned this headline in 2020 when he donated tens of thousands of dollars to help trump and republicans four years ago. the headline in bloomberg quote, timothy millan leads 2020 gop donors, defendant's use of racial stereotypes.■ç that was four years ago. this year, he is giving even more. he is made multimillion dollar donations to both robert f. kennedy junior and trump in the selection. the accumulating nature of his donations to trump in fact mark m is one of the largest political donors in u.s. history at this point. this comes on the heels of high profile gazillion dollar fundraisers for trump posted by right wing tech billionaires in california and of course, it comes on the heels of months of high profile trump support from tesla billionaire elon musk,

who used to be thought of as a quirky business billionaire, as an eccentric inventor type, but now, he is basically the sky,■ç if this guy also have the resources to buy twitter then destroyed will also inexplicably been allowed by the u.s. government to operate crucial national security assets he has use to help russia's war against ukraine. this has been getting outsized attention in part because of the extremist lease of some of these very rich people who are now making a big show of supporting donald trump. but, it is also getting attention because it is one of the few metrics we have to assess the relative strength of these two candidates and their campaigns as they head into this very early, very weird first debate this week. it is also a getting attention, though -- the preferences of the business class and the donation behavior of the uber wealthy is getting attention ■ç

also right now at not just because of its effect on the odds in the race, the likelihood of each of these candidates to win, it is also getting attention because of the substance of it because on what basis are these business folks and these very rich people making these decisions? because, the biden record and the trump record are real things that business people can look at and presumably make rational decisions about if they are, in fact, making decisions about this election for economic and business reasons, which is what the press keeps telling us. we have an income resident and somebody who was the last president, so they both have a term in office that we can look at, that we can measure against one another. they both have■ç observable records. why would businesspeople be turning against joe biden on the basis of his record, which is what we keep being told in

the press heading into this debate? this is something where there again is an observable truth here. under joe biden, we just had the best year of american job creation in the 21st century. the last time we had a streak this long of unemployment below 4%, it was the early 1960s. under joe biden, the u.s. has the best economy in the world. literally, the envy of the world. in fact, the world bank just said that the u.s. economy is so good it is actually stabilizing the whole world economy. the u.s. stock market keeps hitting new records and then breaking those records and then hitting the ones that are even higher.■ç crime is at 50-year lows. we just have the largest single year drop in the murder rate that we have ever recorded. and, president biden keeps passing, keeps signing big legislation that is good for the economy, that is good for the business climate and he has been able to do it with bipartisan support, and that includes the big infrastructure

bill for domestic manufacturing of computer chips and all these other things. i mean, this is the kind of business landscape hell-skate business leaders have been suffering through under joe biden, headlines like these. corporate profits it record high's economy boomed in fourth quarter of 2023 or this one. u.s. corporate profits soar áz%ythis one. money watch. u.s. companies just have their best year since before most of us were born. oh, the poor business guys. they really need trump back, don't they? and, even if they want to sail, it's not about the business climate, it's about being fiscally responsible, it's just that we are so worried about the debt and the deficit and

that's why we want to go back to trump and get rid of joe biden i mean, tell me what the rationale is there. in reality, tell me what the rationale is because the committee for responsible federal budget, one of these nonpartisan physical watchdog groups put this out today which kind of put a fine point on it, right? that is who added what to the debt when you compare trump's term in office with joe biden's term in office and no, ■çyou can't blame covid. they actually break out the covid spending. that is in the lighter red color there so yes, donald trump and joe biden both spent on the pandemic. they had to, but even if you wipe that out, trump added trillions more to the debt and the deficit than biden did, regardless of covid. and, maybe you don't particularly care about the deficit and the debt but business guys almost always say they do. and so, what is the rationale along those lines for supporting trump over biden? as we head into this weird early debate this week, supporters of this business genius created an impression

that trump has an advantage heading into the debate. at this point in the campaign■ç because of his business record, he is so appealing to all the other rich business guys who so appreciate his idea to book a guy with vampire teeth for her cage match business. they're trying to create an impression that there is support for trump in the business world because their economic and business reasons to support someone who himself is so good at business. in reality, the actual stakes in this election, the comparative record of these two candidates on the economy and business, those -- it does not favor the failed promoter of the affliction mixed martial arts league which promoted exactly 2 bouts before all the, and the man whose surviving company was convicted on multiple felony fraud counts and was named■ç in his own felo

criminal trial for falsification of business records and by the way, his cfo is currently doing a second stint in prison. weirdly, his business record, his business environment record, his job creation record, his economic and fiscal record on the facts, does not support the idea that he should be winning support from people who prioritize those things. despite the massive spin generated by all these high profile ideological trump billionaires, we are starting now finally as of today, i think, to see a corrective in the narrative about what is really happening. this is the front page of the new york times to make it quick, ceos are frustrated. that does not mean they embrace trump. a number of prominent figures in silicon valley and on wall street have grown increasingly vocal in ■çtheir criticism of m biden, the price of former president donald j. trump or both. still, that shift mostly reflects movement among

executives who already supported republican politicians. there is little evidence of a major shift in allegiance among executives away from biden and toward trump. that is on the front page. this is on the up edge page today. quote, recent headlines suggest that our nation's business leaders are embracing the presidential candidate donald trump. his campaign would have you believe that our nation's top chief executives are returning to support trump to president, touting declarations of support from some prominent financiers. it is far from the truth, though. they did not talk to him beforeç and certainly are not flocking to him now. quote, trump continues to suffer from the lowest level of corporate support in the history of the republican party. not a single fortune 100 chief executive is donated to trump so far this year, which indicates a major break from the overwhelming business and executive support for republican presidential candidates that dates back over a century. trump received a quote, frigid

reception when he spoke to the business roundtable this month with no noticeable applause at any point during his quote, remarkably meandering remarks, according to cnbc and with trump assuming a subdued, if not hostile, posture. chief executives are not protectionist, isolationist or xenophobic and they believe in investing where there is the rule of law, not the law of rulers. whether or not business support is going to make the difference for either one of ■çthese candidates in november, heading into the debate this week there has been a concerted effort to create a false perception that trump has the whole business world lining up behind him. and, that is because his time in office compared favorably with president biden, which is not true on fiscal issues. it is not true on the business climate. it is not true on jobs and not true in terms of business leaders lining up behind these two candidates.

but, that kind of false perception itself has consequences and heading into this debate and all the tension is going to get about the relative strengths of these two candidates and what they have to offer -- more than ever, it is worth getting these things right. joining us now■ç is my dear friend and colleague, stephanie ruhle. she is host of the 11th hour here at msnbc and senior business analyst to nbc news joining us from beautiful aspen, colorado because she is speaking at the aspen ideas festival. i asked her to be here tonight because she is the only person i know this speaks to ceos. stephanie ruhle, thank you so much for totally screwing up your show prep schedule and being here tonight. i know it's a busy night for you. >> thank you for having me. i am in awe of your lead-in. you have laid out exactly the

sort of economic landscape of what we are looking like here and one of the main reasons you are seeing sort of this trump narrative that all these business leaders are backing me because remember, the number one thing they want to try to push and convince people■ç of i that the economy is terrible, and while inflation is a persistent problem, business leaders are not standing with donald trump in that business roundtable meeting, it's really important for your audience to understand, trump would have you believe corporate america invited me in. they wanted me to speak to them. it was the normal meeting that they have every year, and they invited both candidates. president biden could not attend because he was at the g-7, and his chief of staff was there, and donald trump as said since then they were clapping for me at the end. they were, because it was at the end of the presidential candidates remarks, and that is what a room does who is marginally courteous, but you just mentioned the reporting. i spoke to other people who basically said this thing was all over the place,■ç and it is

break. pre-donald trump, the business community, sort of the c suite class was the republican party. you remember that al smith dinner years ago when george h.w. bush jokingly looked out of the room of business leaders in new york and said you are my base. that is not the case anymore. it was after charlottesville you saw the first business counsel in american history break from the president and say , i can't even be associated with him anymore. >> one of the reasons i think this is important heading into the debate is because i am not a person who knows a ton about the business world. i definitely don't think of myself for sharing all the same values as ceos and people on wall street and people who read the business section 1st and maybe don't even read the i don't think of myself that way but i also know politics reasonably well, when i feel like the perceptions of who the business community is with is an important thing even for

people who are not themselves in the business world because you started -- oh well, these business people are smart. they must know what is going to be economically better for the country and that is, i believe, why they are trying to create this perception and that is why it's important for us to report of the perception is false. >> it is especially important this year because we've had this division. all of the positive economic data you just laid out is disconnected from how people feel because people have not been feeling good about the economy because they're coming off of covid, because of persistent inflation so when you keep pushing this narrative that the business community is standing with donald trump, it convinces people maybe badness is coming but ■çthere is a subgroup of very successful wall street financiers, you know, there is elon musk and elon musk backup dancers who have been very pro and notes broken pro trump in the last few weeks and i want to explain why. they know how good the economy is.

elon musk and all the joe biden has done for electric vehicles, he certainly knows how good the economy is and how good the stock market is. however, they know that donald trump is transactional. they know that if they stand with donald trump now, if they are throwing fundraisers for him that if in fact he becomes the president, they're going to have a direct line into the oval office so it is as though they're trying to re-create kind of ■çputin's oligarchs her if they help trump now, he will take the call and give them the quote unquote get out of jail free past six months from now. that is not the fortune 100 ceos out there who have all of these constituents, but the small wall street universe, the nelson peltz, the bill ackman's of the world. they're putting on the trump show because they would love to have his kind of power and him in their back pocket if he were to win. >> yes, and the problem with the transactional leader like that with that form of

corruption is that yes, you may get what you want when you throw in the last fundraiser, when you've given him the last million dollars but then somebody else comes along and does a bigger fundraiser for him and because it is totally transactional, you have no legitimate principle by an on anything. is just who is willing to pay for it most recently and to the largest effect and that is why the rule of law usually is a better idea for the business wor certainly in the medium and long term. stephanie ruhle, thank you so much for joining me from aspen. i appreciate it. thanks. >> thank you. >> all right, we have got much more to come tonight . we have a hugely busy week this week with all sorts of stuff screwing up my calendar and yours. we're going to talk about that coming up. stay with us. p. stay with us. she runs and plays like a puppy again. his #2s are perfect!

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congressional seat in the swing district in upstate new york with the candidate who made the loss of abortion rights the centerpiece of his campaign. a week after that in alaska, another democrat won another special election in the house this time flipping seat from red to blue also running on a pro-abortion rights platform. i should mention only 12% of alaska voters are democrats, but the democrat won that seat. then a few months later in november 2022 we had the first big nationwide election since democrats ran aggressive campaigns focused on reproductive rights, and in those elections in november 2022, republicans suffered historically poor results, the worst for an opposition party in decades. beyond the congressional races that they, there were five more states that put abortion directly on the ballot, and in all five of those states, voters moved toward abortion rights and away from abortion restrictions.

reproductive rights victories continued the following year, affecting the race for the supreme court -- excuse me, seat on the supreme court and the race for kentucky governorship and race for control of the legislature in virginia. also, the state constitution in ohio where voters ■çchose to enshrine the right to have an abortion in the ohio state constitution. since the fall of row two years ago today, the political impact has been indelible and stark and remarkably consistent, and that has been bolstered by what the overturning of roe has changed in the minds of the american people. it's a new understanding that the question of reproductive rights is not just about accessing abortion. it is about what happens if you have a miscarriage, or you go

into septic shock during pregnancy or you have any other dangerous form of complication, and you can't access healthcare because the state you live in has banned abortion.■ç one pollster telling the new york times today that before row fell, the percentage of the public that considered abortion personally relevant to them was as low as about 15%, but in the post road landscape we live in now, that is changed. more recent polling asked independent voters about the stories of women almost dying because they live in states that have banned abortion. the number of people polled who set the story will affect how they voted upcoming elections is 73%. now it is about pregnancy and everyone knows someone who had a baby or wants to have a baby or might get pregnant. it is profoundly personal to the majority of the public.■ç

joining us now is amy klobuchar, democratic senator from the great state of minnesota. it's nice to see you. thank you so much for making time to be here. >> thanks, rachel. it's great to be on again. >> today is the two-year anniversary since roe is overturned. we know a lot about the human cost. we know about, for example, new research just published in the journal of the american medical association which says that it has adversely and seriously affect the infant mortality in that state with its profound abortion ban. what do you think is most important for the american public to understand on this two-year anniversary since the decision was made for the country? >> i think everyone remembers where they were when this thought to be licked opinion was -- he found out it was a real opinion. i was getting my hair cut and there was a line of four women and hairdressers and everyone in the place said, that ■çjust can't be true, then two years later, we know how true it is. 50 years of freedoms just

thrown out the window. you have ivf affected. 8 million babies were born that way. you have contraception affected. you have a doctors in fear of criminal prosecution. you have women bleeding out in parking lots because they are told in an emergency room hey, you got to be more serious. we know you are in bad health but you've got to be kind of near death to be able to get the kind of treatment you need. one in three women are now living in a state with an extreme abortion ban. that is our current reality, rachel, but it does not have to be our future. that is what you see in the states all across the country with people turning out■ç on th prairies, people turning out for referendums and governors races and u.s. senate races and of course, the presidency, because it is so clear, and you are going to hear this on that debate stage, when one of the candidates donald trump said he is proud to be the person responsible for overturning roe , then you've got joe biden

vowing to codify roe versus wade into law, so long as we elect these candidates and we know we need to take back the house and win the senate races. that is what is at stake in this election. >> i think that a lot of people who are strongly for abortion rights, whether they were before this decision were they newly are strongly for abortion rights worry that this is something that the supreme court has taken on that republican legislatures have ave blican legislatures have effectively taken it out of the hands of somebody like joe biden who supports abortion rights that when he talks about codifying roe versus wade i'm not sure people know what that means in terms of what it would do in all of the states where state laws for republican legislators and governors have enforced these bands. >> well, we know it is time to have a national standard, which is roe versus wade. that will guarantee our freedoms because what trump has now said is that he wants to

return it to the states. what does that mean? look at what the states are doing. one state, texas, with that trump-appointed judge and yes, the judges are on the line here, the trump appointed judge banning mifepristone. you have another state■ç where they're going to criminally prosecute doctors. another state says they don't want to have people cross lines to get reproductive health care. state by state by state, you saw governors racing to their state house to see how draconian they could be to kiss the ring of donald trump. that is what is going on right now, so that is a clear difference. i think, as you showed with your points from across the country, people do see the difference. they know that there is one person who is going to stand up for them and then there is donald trump, was vowed over the years, everything he has said from yes, he would prosecute doctors to yes, he would look at a national band to yes, most recently hey, let's give it back to the states.

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they were mowing the desperation of their circumstances in prison, they got some good news. a new lawyer, who wanted to try to reopen the case. it is no wonder orzo the cat came over to help. i don't think this was photobombing by a cat. i think this was encouragement by cat.■ç i think this was get it right. come on, spit it out, you can do it, spit it out. how many times you got to restart the sentence? next to kelsey and the rest of the podcast team and most definitely orzo the cat, episode three was finally spat out by me. it is available now for free whenever you get your podcast. there are eight episodes of the podcast. take it from me or take it from producer kat orzo, who is a very good boy. that do t