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deeply rattled and rethinking the ticket or rallying behind the president. robert garcia on where his ro party goes from here after president joe biden's debate flops . on his last day of prid we take you to stone will house in new york which exemplifies the need to keep lgbtq elder say. i am sam stein, let's do it! the debate is the debate is not the only big event shaking up the presidential campaign season, tomorrow is another high-stakes day after months of waiting, we will find out whether trump can be held accountable for attempting to subvert the 2020 election when the court releases presidential immunity. it could have immense reverberations, not just on the race, the future of ■çthis country. to say it's taken a while to get here, that is an understatement, supreme court

has shown us multiple times that it has the ability to efficiently handle decisions in importing cases that affect presidency, 50 years ago, the court moved quickly in the watergate tapes case handing out a decision that forced president richard nixon to turn over recordings of oval office conversations just 16 days after hearing arguments. two decades ago, the court decided the 2000 election was over in one day after arguments. now you can argue that was a different time and a -- political context, fine. let's look at something more recent, on january 5th, the justices agreed to hear donald trump's plea to remain on the colorado ballot after the state brain court barred him from theç republican primary over his role in the capital attack, the justices fast-track the briefing in the case agreeing to hear oral arguments just over four weeks later on february 8th, then less than

one month after oral arguments on march 4th, the court unanimously ruled to restore trump to the colorado ballot, this proves that our current court does have the ability to issue complex decisions when it comes to something as pressing as a presidential election. why is it drawing out the trump immunity rule into the very last minute? as of today, that is 122 days and four months have passed since the court agreed to hear the case. still, no decision, a former ■ç clerk for just justice anthony kennedy writes in the new york times that quote the quote -- court could follow a path well charted and will narrow lee, the justices need not resolve everything related to presidential immunity, see suggest that there is something rotten about the whole process, there could be reason to believe politics are at play. this court has lost the benefit of the doubt for a myriad of

reasons including its willingness to act quickly in cases that benefit republican interest. joining me now to discuss this is kimberly atkins, for the boston globe, cohost of the sister-in-law podcast. and msnbc political analyst. we also have alex aronson, cofounder and executive director, david henderson, civil rights attorney and■ç former prosecutor. thank you for joining me on sunday evening, i want to start with you, david by asking for your response to that argument, do you agree the court has lost the benefit of the doubt with the way they have delayed this decision on the trump immunity claim? the other thing, is there any valid reason them to have drawn the zones along -- drawn this out so long? >> i'd have to say yes, because if you will make this decision narrowly, why is it taking so long? we just went through how they handled these decisions historically, nobody knows that better than they do at the end

of the day, the russian should be straightforward, when a president alleges they commit acts part of their official duties, are they immune from prosecution, if not, then to what degree? given how long they've taken and the --■ç dropping bombs aft taking this long, it raises sources of concern if you look through how they've handled other decisions this term, we will talk about this later but with the atf, what do y'all know about machine guns! we are in a better position to decide that, that's not completely on par with regard to january 6th, it's in the same genre so, regardless of what role politics might play in their decision, it will play a role on the outcome given the timing of their decision. >> david, i know that this is a big topic for the audience, deference, whet their appetite for that a bit, let's pick up on this specific topic of presidential immunity, what the devil advocates take for why

it's taking the court this long? frankly, do you think it's legitimate or politics at play? >> you know, i think the court is really good at trying to manipulate media perceptions and public perceptions of what it is trying to do, i think what the court would argue is that this is sort of business as usual, the court handling of really complex and challenging question of law that come before it, but as you pointed out, this great precedent for their ability to resolve these important questions expeditiously. we are at an inflection point with this runaway maga majority, this court cannot -- case after case and year after year has advanced interest of its ideological, corporate, and increasingly maga agenda . the american people can see that something is deeply out of kilter.[so that's what's happeli whatever happens with ruling tomorrow on merits. the damage has been done, what trump was trying to do by

bringing these frivolous claims was delay accountability from this charge and that is exactly what this court has accomplished for him. >> let's get to the merits, kimberly. for the laymen, what are we expected to see tomorrow? what are potential outcomes that could be issued from the court. extrapolating from that, how would this affect or impact both the course of the trial and the november election? >> it could be a variety of outcomes, based on how the question presented and what that means is the issue the court itself outlined that it would and her with this case. it was rather confusing and confounding when they said it, it's something to the effect of how much, if any immunity a president gets her ■çalleged of shellac. taken out for the course of his president, i was confounded because jack smith is not alleging that donald trump

engaged in an official act when he took part in the events leading in -- up to january 6th trying to overturn the results of the election. he was acting outside of the bounds of his presidency. if the court is parsing what they believe is an official act and what is not, maybe there is limited immunity in some aspects and not another's. that goes a long way in explaining why this has taken so long, the concert -- concurrences regardless of all the court comes out. if the court finds anything ■kpc other than absolute immunity which i don't that it will do, if it finds some limited immunity which i think it could do. that could send the case back to the lower court and judge, he would have to figure out how to proceed forward, when they granted in this case deciding

we are going to take this up as opposed to doing what they could have done which is just affirmed the lower court, i knew this case wasn't going to get to trial, it was going to take too long whether it was a month ago, that was already locked in. >> the judge, let's say she gets granted limited immunity and then is forced to sort through which acts were done with political purpose and which were done under official -- of the presidency, how does ta] work, do they have to litigate each instance between two sides, i guess frankly, everyone watching wants to know, can you get the trial to a place where you are arguing prior to the november election, are those arguments being pushed past november? >> that actually could come down to the scope of the court's opinions, the judge will have a talk -- tough task on her hand if oral argument is any indication, legal experts were pretty uniformly shocked by the way oral arguments went,

this is again a frivolous claim of immunity and the lower courts, a bipartisan panel of the d.c. circuit resolved is up -- expeditiously and unanimously. if they do have a chance to bring this to ■çtrial, it could be a very time-consuming process, the former president trump will have further opportunities to appeal, the court is guaranteeing chaos if judge chutkan does try to bring this election some virgin case to trial, it will be on the eve of election, president donald trump and his allies, people like steve bannon are able to make hay of the fact that the department of justice is trying to bring a presidential candidate to trial right before americans go to the polls. the court has guaranteed the americans will not know whether

the former president is guilty of these crimes, even if they do try to bring him to justice, it will be a giant political mass. >> the ■çflip side as if they don't proceed, democrats of course cry foul that it's delayed by the courts, it does not work either way david, steve bannon was referenced, i wanted to talk about the former trip adviser, he's set to report to prison for defying subpoenas from the house january 6 collect -- committee serving a four months sentence, he tried to get the supreme court involved, they refuse, what are you watching for? >> a couple things i'm watching for as it goes to prison, one of them connects this case or the series of cases to other cases involving former president trump, the thing to observe is the fact that he was sentenced back in 2022, we are pushing two years from him to go and serve his time. that gives us indication of what's likely to break out in new york a ■çformer president i

sentenced to serve time which i don't think he will be, you're looking at a substantial delay as the case goes forward in terms of sentencing, the other thing that's interesting is what the little -- rule of law is becoming depending on how people feel about the application. he's been going around chanting victory or death for our republican constitution as it has supplied individuals who break the law as he's heading off to prison, i think we are in danger of one american problem compounding another, losing track of what the rule of law means, how ever bad how violators were before, wait until they spend time behind bars and come back out. >> let me play you a clip of steve bannon speaking to nbc about his prison sentence, interview■ç airing tomorrow on ambit -- msnbc. take a listen. >> i'm still defending my country and the constitutional republic at a can of two back in my early 20s, it does not phase me at all. it's a part of the process,

clearly at a political war in this country. >> political war, what is your reaction to that rhetoric? >> it is part of the messaging from the maga segment of the republican party leading into this election, anyone who has been given all the rights and abilities to defend themselves before a court and was found by a jury to be guilty, is somehow of phony prosecution, it is simply a lie, an effort to erode trust in the justice system. so that their supporters don't have to believe the results of an election if it goes against them, it's the same reason why i think you will see more people after the supreme court tossed some charges against him other january 6th writers. you will hear more of them being called hostages and such,n it's nonsense and dangerous, and it's done with a purpose.

>> alex, i want your take on the macro elements of this which is basically the course legitimacy on one hand, they are not intervening on the steve bannon issue, on the other hand, it affected sentencing of a number of january 6th writers, the justice department, not the court to go after hunter biden with sentencing and republicans applauded the execution, on the other hand, the decreed with respect to donald trump, are we going to a place where the image of the court and justices in themselves has been irreparably damaged, or can it be fixed? >> i sure hope it can be fixed, it has been irreparably damaged. you can see that in bpolling results, we saw a poll released that says 70% of americans believe this court is motivated more by audiology -- ideology then being a fair and impartial adjudicator, that makes sense because we did not come here organically, think back to the

first -- to the trump administration, the senate were used to work turn into a conveyor belt where judicial selection was outsourced to extremists who were handpicked by ideologues. backed by hundreds of millions of dollars, the very interest who are getting -- millions of dollars of free gifts to people like justice thomas are seeing their outcomes, preferred outcomes delivered by a court that they themselves composed. >> all right, alex, david, kimberly. thank you, stay with us, alwe a coming back very much anticipated chevron deference discussion, we speak to congressman robert garcia about his parties current crisis whether president biden should stay in the fight against donald trump. do ld trump.

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he's in done a great job. >> i'm with joe biden, it is our assignment to make sure he gets over the finish line. >> i'm not abandoning joe biden for any speculation. >> prominent democrats are sticking by president biden and calls for him to step aside that came following his pnór debate performance on thursday against donald trump however, there is one notable democrat being more candid about his future, here's what congressman jamie raskin told us earlier today. >> there are very honest and serious, rigorous conversations taking place at every level of our party because it is a political party, we have differences in point of view. >> all this comes as biden met with his family at camp david to discuss the future of his campaign, his family is reportedly urging him to stay in the race. democratic congress men robert

garcia joins me now, he sits on the president's national advisory board. look, you heard those remarks from your colleagues, jamie raskin, is he wrong?■ç >> i agree with barack obama, bill clinton, nancy pelosi, and team jeffries, joe biden is our nominee, i'm with him 100%, is the only person in the entire country that's ever beat donald trump and he will beat him again this november, i think it is important to judge the president on his entire record, we can all agree that the debate was not his best night. we also agree he's been a transformational president, he probably has the most successful progressive record of any president in the modern era, lowering the price of insulin, expanding healthcare, infrastructure, gun reform, fighting for the rights of women and abortion access, we

understand the president's record and he will continue ■çt push back, we saw him in north carolina on fire doing a great job, i think we are moving forward, the campaign is uniting in the party will as well. >> to the point of congressman raskin who says there are talks being held behind closed doors, one is that true? and what are you hearing from your fellow democrats, what are you telling them? >> here's the anger about us as democrats, one of the important things to note, people having conversations or having them because they want to beat donald trump, all of us are in the same place and they want to do whatever we can to beat donald trump, that's fine if people have different opinions, i will tell you a vast majority, i mean almost everyone that i talk with at the congressional level two all behind president biden, he has a united party, some people might have different opinions and that's okay, i have great

respect for jamie, the reality is that joe biden is moving forward with the campaign, he has a real record to run on, we cannot forget he's beaten donald trump and will do it again. >> do you believe the president is the only democrat who can beat donald trump in november? >> i'm not sure about that, i think we have a lot i democrats that could beat donald trump, he's a criminal trader and a con man, the worst president we have only ever had, joe biden is the one that's done it, let's not forget i think it is incredibly disrespectful to somehow dismiss the millions ofç people across this country, our democratic primary voters actually nominated that we've won the -- delegates square -- fair and square, joe biden won the primary and is our nominee, he will be nominated at the convention. him and his team are moving forward, we are all out there campaigning alongside and with the president, i think

what will be important is binary choice that voters have in november versus an accomplished person with wisdom, yes he's a little bit older and we know that, he's also a little bit wiser and more experienced. >> i hear you on that, i grant you the record right? the real problem here, especially post thursday is that democrats increasingly do not know if he's the right person to go out and prosecute the case and defend that ■ç record, and talk about the accomplishments, i want to get your reaction to this poll released today, 72% of registered voters not only think biden does not have the mental and cognitive health needed to serve his presidency, 70% believe you should not run, how do you win an election when 72% of registered voters do not think you have the mental capacity to serve as president?

>> there have been other polls post the election that have shown the president whether increasing his lead against donald trump, having no effect on the race, and in some cases, certain groups like latinos actually improving his position against donald trump, i think there will be a lot of pulsing and different things, the important thing is that joe biden served his ■çcountry and this party, i'm behind him 100%, a vast majority of the party, including the people we look to for leadership like barack obama, bill clinton, nancy pelosi, and king jeffries, the president is going to beat -- we have to rally and work, he will beat donald trump in the fall. >> let's spin it farther, let's grab that -- in the race, his family has encouraged him, you know he's got support from important figures. i've heard from tons of democrats over the last 48, 70 hours about what he should do to alleviate some can turns,

i'm curious. what do you think he should do to alleviate some of these concerns? is it a matter of going out there and doing more interviews, is it a matter of doing a fiery speech like ■çhe did in -- like on the teleprompter, what are the steps available to the president? >> it will be all of the above, one, you continue to put joe biden out there like he's been out there, that north carolina speech was incredible. i saw him on earlier -- that same day in atlanta meeting with voters, he was electric talking to them and was obviously electric the night of the north carolina rally, he will continue to do so, it's important to continue and put the president out in front of voters and small events, talking to constituents, of course continuing to do interviews and everything else he needs to do, i think it's important we see the president

all the time, whether it's at press conferences, campaign rallies, events for legislati)r he's passing, we see that he's capable and is doing the job. he has the experience to do the job. >> he does not do -- do that many press conferences or that many interviews, often when he does, it's with a teleprompter, would you encourage him to do less of that, more of the appearances and less teleprompter? >> i think he can do all of it, first i think he does a significant amount of interviews, we may have a difference of opinion, he does interviews with all sorts of people and organizations, news organizations, folks across this country telling great stories. the important thing is that he should do it all, it's rallies, interviews, he's going to meet voters in small cafes and restaurants, over the course ofç the last few days, i think that when joe biden is out there, he knows how to win and i want to go to back to one thing he said

the day after the debate, he talked about always being counted out, we had a message to the country, and also for himself which is when you are knocked down, you get back up and you continue to fight, that has always been the joe biden story, he's always been underestimated, knocked down, has always come back and won, always here to represent us in this country. >> congressman robert garcia, i genuinely appreciate you coming out, one legal expert calls it the biggest -- since the 1800s called the chevron deference. the supreme court toss it aside, no why you should care about it next. tion that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea,

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ultimate power to interpret laws passed by congress in certain circumstances. after friday, 6-3 ruling that struck down the precedent, those will now have much more difficult time regulating the environment, public health, workplace safety, and so on. in other words, the decisions will be taken out of the hands of subject matter experts, put into the hands of the courts. the justice ruling was made along ideological lines, it is a clear coat win for the trump backed deregulatory agenda, also the culmination of a decade-long effort by conservatives in pro-business groups who want to strip the government of its ability to implement and interpret regulations.■ç the biden administration has vigorously defending chevron, warning that overturning it would be destabilizing and could bring a convulsive shock to the nations legal system, we are back to break down what that

convulsive shock would look like and other things, kimberly, let's start with you. what are the broader indications -- implications, what is the practical impact, are we going to see regulations stripped back right away? will this be a multiyear process? >> i don't think that it will take very long, i think there are challenges already waiting in the wings with the anticipation that chevron would be struck down, this was not a surprise. what it means is that any time congress does ■çnot explicitly the letter a given agency the authority to make a determination about their own regulations, it will be up to a court essentially, and not the experts in those agencies to decide whether such a regulation can stand, it can have untold impacts on everything from standards in keeping her and water clean to

product safety standards, two things with the faa, are you nervous to get on a boeing plane? you might want to become more nervous, remember the mifepristone decision, that was a judge putting himself in place of experts of the fda about the safety and efficacy of that drug, we will see a lotç more of that too, there's a lot of people, conservative groups who have lined up challenges because they don't like the extent of regulation where regulation is bad for business, i don't think it will take years, we will see it immediately. >> let's pick up on that, david, two questions, one, congress and how they legislate . do they have the expertise to do that type of granular law writing to make sure that there's no ambiguity in the regulation? or is that expertise just not practical, could you not get people on that hill.

two, can you talk about how fast this decision will be in terms of what regulations, what industries, what topics could be affected by this ruling?■ç >> absolutely, it may help to answer these questions and rivers. we talked about how -- let's pick up on your intro, being one of the greatest paragraph since the 1800, saying this is the greatest power grab since the original power grab, the supreme court said that hey, we decided it's up to us to decide what the liars, this is the greatest power grab since that because when you ask can congress write laws on that basis, on that granular level, there is no way to write a law that covers every single contingency even when common sense dictates it does, let's use for example bump stocks, since the days of elliott and s, machine guns have been illegal, the question becomes

who is in the best position to determine whether or not a bump stock converts a rifle into a ■ç machine gun, the atf says that f stands for firearm, we may -- know a bit about guns, we are saying that yeah, the bump stock converts it to a machine gun. atf, what do you know, lawyers know way more about guns than you do, judges should decide. they say that we are not saying you get it wrong in this case, we are throwing this doctrine out altogether. from now on, whenever there is ambiguity, even though congress wrote the laws and part of that includes a line of federal agencies to make the interpretation, we don't care, federal judges get to decide from now on. what that means is if you want to shop around for federal judge you think will decide their policy your way, you are going to do it and everyone else at the very least is stuck with having to go to court and incur costs to fight against ■ç that doctrine. >> maybe we can follow briefly,

the sheer number of cases that are going to be brought in different districts based on essentially judge shopping to get the outcome you want on a regulation will be vast. are we looking at a complete legal logjam or bottle lacking -- necking that will involve these regulations? >> it's hard to imagine how that will happen, that will lead into another discussion about the fact that not only is this a power grab, regardless of what your politics are, you should be concerned about how this came about because it is strongly favoring those who have lots of money to afford lots of lawyers to engage in prolonged court ■1attles. >> i agree, i think there's another question about how it affects the law of the industry. let's talk about the fact this is the result of a decade-long effort, decade-long effort by conservatives, we know this case was brought by the coke network, they had been pushing this for year. can you talk about the path

that we've taken here, justice clarence thomas, who got lavish gifts from crow, invited to speak at koch network events. he was turned into a naysayer, give us the broad, political scope of this journey. >> of course, i think what is important for folks to understand is this is not just a judicial power grab, it definitely is that. get the corporate power grab and is the extension, one of the long■ç prizes of a fifty-ye campaign funded by the special interests and billionaires, really starting in earnest with the 1971 infamous lewis power memo, there was a call to arms to the american business community to take to the courts to take to the political system, to really reverse the social and economic progress of the 20th century. we had a year worth of scandal

and corruption at the supreme court, we learned about millions of dollars worth of free luxury travel and plane flights received by clarence thomas by the very same billionaires who have brought these cases to the court and brought this case to the court. that's no coincidence at all, just as thomas was flying to these retreats where they were talking about this case and did not disclose these trips on his financial disclosures in violation of federal disclosure laws. here ■çwe have clarence thomas and other justices now delivering this long sought goal of their corporate backers . we talked earlier about how americans are losing trust in the courts, this is a big part of why. >> kimberly, i want to pick up on something that david and i were talking about, be careful what you wish for. i grant you that this is a conservative dream, i'm sure they will benefit ideologically, you can make the case i suppose that this could potentially backfire for trump, let's say that he wins the election, we know that there is

a industry of groups trying to architect what would be a massive domestic takeover of fire, civil servant experts replacing loyalists, replacing the need of the government, could this ruling actually hamper those plans ■çby making them more susceptible to judicial challenges? >> i don't think so because donald trump in his term in office was also very successful along with republicans in the senate in ushering a record number of conservative judges throughout the judiciary including the u.s. supreme court, we are not saying that this rule means courts will always rule against the agent see. if it is a court that is friendly to donald trump policy, they can very much uphold it. that's why courts matter, so much and in an election, it shifts the balance of power and

the balance of power has already shifted right where joe biden ■çhas tried to do what he can to make it more balanced, there is still plenty of conservative justices that would bless donald trump's policies. >> i'm curious if you agree, david or if there is enough because joe biden has some success stacking the courts, stacking is the wrong word, nominating and confirming justices to the courts, do you think there's enough parity in terms of judges that a liberal interest group could potentially find a court that would say you know what, we actually believe the trump administration is over interpreting or something like that? >> absolutely not, sam. let me be frank with you. i don't believe in theory, i'm a trial lawyer, we all saw that scene in the movie pretty woman, that's all this ■!m1ñi would have been enamored, anyone gets enamored when you look at the history of how

justice thomas changed his mind, back in 2005, he liked the chevron doctrine and was not a young lawyer in his mid- 50s, 55, 56 years old saying i like the chevron doctrine, he starts second-guessing 10 years later. what happens in all those years? we saw that jet seen from pretty woman re-enacted, here's the problem. it's not just a matter of ruling him, the rest of us don't have access to these justices that way, he talked to me about parity since we'll have that level of access, therefore that level of persuasion, no. i don't think it will be equitable moving forward. >> david, i always took you as a richard gere fan. this makes so much sense, thank you so much. next,■ç a key u.s. ally tilting to the far right, an update on today's elections in france.

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we are following we are following breaking news out of france tonight, exit polls show the far right national rally party with a significant lead in the first round of voting in the country snap election, the 2-1 vote called by emmanuel macron comes after his coalition suffered a defeat in the european parliament elections in june, keir simmons has the latest. ■ç good evening from paris,

the french, crews are still outside the celebration for the far right national rally party here behind those doors, just inside, they are listening to jordan, the man who could be prime minister of france in a few weeks time, giving a speech in which he celebrates the results, a political earthquake for france, an unprecedented vote for in the far right, not really seen since the second world war and the government in france, marine le pen who would like to replace president emmanuel macron said this was democracy speaking, there was a massive turnout, the biggest in 40 years as france rallied to ■ç different political sides in second place was a coalition of far left and left wing parties, president emmanuel macron's party came in third place, very bad for the french president

who called this election thinking he would rally france against the far right after european elections where they won in those votes too. instead, his party has been pushed into third place. there will be another vote, this is just the first round of two rounds. it is looking very bad for president emmanuel macron, potentially what we could see is a far right government here in france welcoming olympians this summer. >>■ç nbc, keir simmons, thank you. providing lgbtq+ elders with an affordable and safe place to live.

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