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major prime time interview. new this morning, the president is defending his record in radio interviews aimed to reach black voters. biden also blasting donald trump as a major threat. >> he's done terrible things in the community, and he has about as much interests and concern for black and minority communities as the man on the moon does. the vote of the black community matters intensely, intensely. look, it makes up a significant portion of the american population. who's going to represent you except folks like me? and we're not going to be able to represent you if you're not showing up to vote. >> reporter: the white house now tells us a doctor checked the president a few days after the debate contradicting its earlier claims about his medical care. two house democrats now have publicly called for president biden to step aside, most recently from arizona and then lloyd doggett of texas. the fist one. they're joined by one of the

biggest democratic donors, the cofound ore of netflix who says the president should allow a, quote, vigorous democratic leader to beat trump. after meeting with the president at the white house yesterday, several democratic governors including wes moore of maryland came to the president's defense. >> the president has always had our backs. we're going to have his back as well. the results we've been able to see under this administration have been undeniable in all of our individual states. >> joining us now jonathan allen, pbs news hour co-host and msnbc contributor, and republican strategist and msnbc political analyst susan del percio. jonathan, starting with you on this. now that we're seeing he's getting back on the road, he is going to be in wisconsin, business as usual certainly this week has not been business as usual. >> yeah, this has been the worst week in a presidential campaign that i can remember in my lifetime, not only did he have the debate debacle, but the

effort to clean it up has been miserable at best. you hear the arguments for why he didn't do well at the debate, that he had a cold, that he was traveling in europe. he'd been back in the united states for 12 days, i don't think any american thinks that they want a president that is home for 12 days from a foreign trip and still not quite himself from the jet lag. so either the white house messaging has been difficult and indeed yesterday as you pointed out, at one moment karine jean-pierre said he hadn't been checked out by a doctor, and then biden said he had been checked out by a dr. one of those thing is true, one is not. white now he has a credibility problem, and they need to make sure whatever they're saying is true and transparent. he is going to try over the course of the next several days to show a different version of himself than people have been seeing over the last week, but he is in a -- make no mistake, this is a crisis moment for the president and his party. >> and his party is reacting

omna, from your sources and what we're hearing, we just had the second member of congress to come out and say step aside. are your sources telling you, are you hearing that we might get more actually over this weekend? >> i think that remains to be seen. one thing is clear, we are now a week out from that debate performance that everyone agrees was not president joe biden's best moment by any stretch, and the concern that that kicked off among democrats has been sustained, and now that we've had a number of now two lawmakers from his own party coming forward publicly calling for the president to step aside, that is conversation that is trending the wrong direction. and that's something the white house, the campaign clearly see and are taking note of. i will point out, i spoke with congressman lloyd doggett last night who was, as you noted, the first to come forward from within the party and ask mr. biden to step aside. he underscored the idea it wasn't just about the 90 minutes

on stage. for him he says there's been concern looking at the numbers over the last year. those are numbers that have not bujd. voters have been locked in in terms of who they're supporting for almost a year. mr. biden has been slipping in some key battleground states in particular. he wanted to underscore that that's what's feeding his concern. he said that concern is widespread among other democrats as well. when i asked why we haven't heard more people come out publicly to share, he said, look, not every democrat feels as well-positioned as he is. he himself is 77 years old, he's later in his career. he said younger democrats who may be in vulnerable positions this fall don't feel as emboldened. i've talked to democratic lawmakers who want to stress biden is their guy. this conversation they feel is divisive and is undermining him, and they say if the republicans can get behind their candidate, it's time for democrats to do the same. they worry the longer this goes on, not only is it not enough time for a new candidate to introduce him or herself to the country, it also further em

emboldens the man they are focused on beating. >> down ballot, what this might mean for younger democrats, also for republicans, this week's polling shows that now congressional candidates are now in advance. they're ahead in the polling in terms of preferences of voters by not double-digits, but we still are seeing that they are now ahead of the democratic congressional candidates. what does that mean for the race down ballot? >> i think that the democrats have a message to put out there. even if joe biden stays in the race, there's a good chance that donald trump could win, and if the republicans are going to take over the senate, the house is the last force that can potentially stop donald trump, so i understand why the democrats are really concerned. i'd also be concerned because where they made a lot of their inroads in 2022 were in blue states where turnout is generally lower in odd years --

or i'm sorry, offyears. they're relying on a huge presidential turnout to get their candidates elected, and biden is not necessarily the person who's going to bring that enthusiasm to the race. and what i've seen lately is the issue of his seeing a doctor or not after the debate, i think that is the final nail in the coffin, so to speak, because that's something the american public really doesn't want to see in their president. it's one thing to say, okay, he had a cold, but to look like you're trying to hide your medical records and after that performance, it wasn't the debate. it wasn't 90 minutes. it was what americans thought all along, what they've seen all along with donald trump -- i'm sorry, with joe biden, that he's too old, that he doesn't look that great. this debate confirmed that and

the crisis management afterwards was just horrible. >> to be a fly on the wall in that, jonathan, and the first move it appears is to appeal to black voters. how does that fit into the strategy, do you think? >> well, it's very important, richard, i mean, for joe biden or any other democrat to win the presidency, they're going to have to have strong turnout among black voters. we've already seen donald trump trying to make inroads, particularly with younger and male african americans, young black men, and so that's a group that he absolutely needs. it's also a group in terms of black voters that may see kamala harris as a better alternative than some of the other democrats do, and so, you know, it's a constituency that's of the utmost importance for biden, in order to kind of maintain his balance within the democratic party right now. that's not surprising to me that that's the first place he reaches out.

that's the core group that he needs, and by the way, if he has black voters, who are the most likely to show up for democratic candidates in presidential elections, it will make it a lot tougher for other democrats to try to push him out of the role that he has now. >> amna from your reporting, how much longer does the campaign have on the joe biden side to right the ship here? in the last hour we were talking, and it came down to about a week is what one particular strategist had said. is it about one more week from what you're hearing in your reporting? >> you know, regardless of which side of the debate they fall on right now, every democratic lawmaker i've spoken to agrees on one thing, that the next few days in particular are going to be crucial. lloyd doggett said to me last night, this is something that has to be resolved in just the next days. we know the president has a key interview on friday. he's campaigning over the weekend. there's the nato summit next week, and i think what everyone seems to agree on is that for

the president to calm those concerns right now, he needs to be seen in more unscripted moments, more interviews, taking questions in a town hall format, speaking directly to voters. those are the kinds of moments people seem to think could turn this moment around, if it can be. >> susan, if this abc interview that's airing tomorrow is not a winner, is this it for joe biden? >> well, only joe biden is actually going to determine that, and i think what the final thing is is the poll numbers that come out next week. it's been a holiday week, so the polling's been pretty spotty. i want to see what swing states show. that's what all the democrats are going to look towards, especially the congressional ones. so yes, it's every moment that joe biden is in front of the camera is a make or break moment. there is no room for any error and only -- it must have an excellent performance every single time. >> i think his campaign is reading your mind. that's why they're going to wisconsin. thank you so much, susan del

percio, jonathan allen, amna noas appreciate your time. the judge in donald trump's new york hush money trial delayed the sentencing until september, and the former president is now fighting to get the entire case thrown out as a result of the high court's ruling. joining us now, glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst, and dahlia lithwick, senior editor for slate, host of the amicus podcast and an msnbc law and politics analyst. glenn, let's start with exactly what we were just introducing, that idea of what will happen to the new york case based on the supreme court decision. what's your perspective? >> so, richard, as you mentioned, judge merchan has already pushed off the sentencing date to september so they can have some post-verdict litigation. donald trump's lawyers are trying to vacate his conviction

arguing that, well, in hindsight, even though these new rules of evidence in essence that the supreme court just conjured up out of thin air and will be applying retroactively to earlier cases, you know, the question for judge merchan will become, you know, did the evidence that was introduced against donald trump in the new york trial somehow violate the new rules that have been handed down by the supreme court. in a rational world when we're not living in the legal upside down, it would seem that everything donald trump did and all of the evidence that was introduced against him involved non-official acts. much of it he wasn't even president, so of course he can't claim presidential immunity before he was sworn in, and even though there was some evidence that was introduced against him after he was sworn in, for example writing reimbursement checks to michael cohen who actually paid out-of-pocket the hush money payment for the benefit of donald trump, those are very unlikely to be deemed

official presidential acts. it's more of his personal criminal scheme with his co-conspirator michael cohen, so i do think at the end of the day, when the dust settles and this issue is litigated, this is unlikely to upset the new york conviction and then the case should move to the sentencing phase come september. >> dahlia, when you look through the statements that came from the decision of the supreme court, what parts are good for the prosecution? what parts are good for donald trump's defense? >> i mean, i think that glenn has perfectly articulated the problem, which is that the court created from almost whole cloth a sort of jell-o standard of we're going to now differentiate between official acts, between private acts. we've got an inner perimeter, core functions, outer perimeter. they conflated tests from a whole bunch of different cases, and then had the audacity to

sort of kick it back to the lower courts to figure it out. so the answer is we don't know. what we can do and what glenn and i and all of our lawyer friends are trying to do is speculate what falls into private conduct, what falls into official conduct, what kinds of conduct evidence of official conduct still can't be used to make claims about private conduct. but it's really not a clear test. it's an incredibly murky test, and the court wants it to get worked out in the appellate process, so, you know, the short answer is i think we can do a ton of lawyering around this and clearly, that's what bragg's team is going to try to do is lawyer this, and i think glenn's right. an awful lot of this conduct by any construction of what is private unofficial acts still seems to survive. i want to be really clear. i don't know that john roberts knows what the test is that he's set forth in his opinion on monday. >> glenn, so we have federal

cases related to donald trump. we have our state cases. does this decision equally affect both sets? >> this decision is like a polluted river that runs through it. it will run through all of donald trump's criminal cases, and i love dahlia's characterization of the standard that chief justice roberts put in his opinion. it is like a jell-o standard, and the jell-o hasn't even set. that's what we're dealing with here. so it will absolutely impact his other cases. for example, in georgia, donald trump's rico prosecution down there, they will similarly litigate whether what he did, you know, was a core constitutional power or was it an official or an unofficial act. the only upside there, richard, is that all of this is in pretrial litigation. so they can sort of clear the evidentiary landscape and then move into the trial proper, hopefully someday. i think i have greater concern for how it impacts the florida federal prosecution of donald

trump being presided over by donald trump's favorite judge, one he appointed, judge aileen cannon. the problem is we can almost hear donald trump's lawyers already arguing that the fact that as president he made the decision to take classified documents and national defense information with him when he left the white house, what will they be calling that? well, at a minimum, they'll call it an official act if not a core constitutional power for which he has absolute immunity. now, i don't think that dog will hunt, but with, you know, aileen cannon presiding over this case, you have to wonder whether she will latch on to a frivolous legal argument like that and find reason to grant some relief to donald trump. >> dahlia, in your reporting and review of the decision, how did partisanship in the supreme court pass out? how did that come to be whether it's there or not? what was your assessment? >> i mean, this was a 6-3 super majority conservative ruling.

i don't think there's anything but partisanship, and i would also note historically the supreme court tries really hard in big, big blockbuster cases like brown v. board to be unanimous or close to unanimous. they make whatever compromises they need to make internally in order to show the world that this is not politics. this is not ideology. this is the supreme court only passing on questions of law. the fact that that broke down so completely and that this was -- i mean, the presidents who appointed these judges, that is determinative of their votes in this case. amy coney barrett peeled off for a tiny piece of this on an evidentiary question. but this was a 6-3 conservative liberal vote. the court didn't try to hide that, and i would go so far as to say when i read the majority opinion what i read is the chief justice almost completely dismissing the real world concerns in the dissents. so we have sonia sotomayor

saying essentially answer the question. can the president order s.e.a.l. team 6 to assassinate a political rival? he doesn't even bother to answer that. he instead accuses the dissenters of fear mongering. so it's not just a partisan opinion, it's almost a split screen opinion in which the majority lives in one world where this is an abstract case about separation of powers and executive power and the dissent lives in the world that had across the street january 6th play out. >> yeah, just the number of opinions and statements made by the different justices is an indication they were not definitely together on this. dahlia lithwick, glenn kirschner, thank you so much. appreciate your time today. up next, thousands of people are forced to evacuate as hot, dry weather fuels wildfires in california. we'll take you there for the latest. plus, we're tracking hurricane beryl still tearing through the caribbean on its way to mexico. should texas now be worried? and later an nbc news exclusive, what we're learning

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northern california burning out of control amid triple digit temperatures. the thompson fire spreading across more than 3,500 acres with zero containment. as tens of thousands just scramble to safety ahead of the july 4th holiday, forced to vabt evacuate with the fire bearing down outside the city of oroville. >> i'm worried we might not have a place to go back to. >> reporter: several homes and structures destroyed as firefighters work around the clock to battle the fast-moving blaze. flames burning on either side of the oroville dam spillway. crews are using lake orville here to try to fight this fire. you can see multiple helicopters are coming to the lake, picking up water to attack this fire from the air. >> reporter: the inferno one of several burning across the west with intense heat and heavy winds creating conditions ripe for fire. what's the biggest challenge right now? >> i would say the biggest challenge is obviously the

conditions, the high temperatures, those low humidities, and without a doubt, the wind is going to be the biggest concern. >> reporter: in phoenix where temperatures hit 113, the heat wave turning deadly. a 10-year-old boy died after being airlifted from a trail where authorities say he was hiking with family. so far this year, 13 people have died from heat-related incidents in maricopa county, with another 162 still under investigation. back in california, the relentless conditions just getting started with no relief expected through the holiday weekend, leaving the region on edge. >> liz kreutz with that report, thank you so much. right now hurricane beryl is moving across the caribbean sea. the category 3 storm making its way toward mexico's east coast after battering southern jamaica overnight. joining us with the latest on beryl's path and the extreme weather they're watching, michelle grossman. texas now watching very closely. >> yeah, we're going to watch it very closely over the weekend. we could see that turn right

into the southern part of texas. we're going to watch that. right now we're still seeing it as a major hurricane. this is so early in the season. this is more typical of september, october, we don't typically get a lot of major hurricanes and especially this early. so category 3 at the moment, the location is 95 miles west, southwest of grand cayman islands bringing those high surfs, the high rainfall, also really windy conditions. winds are at 115 miles per hour. it's moving quickly. this has been moving quickly its entire life span, and that's good news because we want this out of here. moving to the northwest at 18 miles per hour. we have alerts all along the yucatan peninsula. still have hurricane warnings for the cayman islands, that's where you see the red here, and then you see all the alerts dotting the yucatan peninsula. we're going to watch that over the next couple of days. as it goes through the caribbean, we're going to see it decrease, somewhat weaken. kind of cuts off the top of the storm. it weakens it. we do expect it to become a category 2 storm. still a really big storm for this time of the year. then it's going to go across the

caribbean into the yucatan peninsula, by tomorrow morning a category 1 storm. this is really rocky terrain, lots of mountains here. still a category 1 storm. it will decrease. it will weaken as we go throughout the yucatan peninsula, eventually ending up into the gulf. by saturday, 6:00 a.m., still a tropical storm, a tropical storm by sunday at 6:00 a.m., and then look what happens. we do expect it to restrengthen as it enters either mexico or southern texas. regardless of where it shows up, the cone of uncertainty is this big here, so it does include portions of southern texas into mexico. still, the rain shield will be strong. we're going to see a lot of rainfall in portions of southern texas. the winds will be howling as well. we're going to watch that very closely as we go throughout the weekend. that's one big story on this july 4th. the second one would be 130 million americans on this holiday wanting to be outside with really dangerous heat, though, so it's so important to heed the warnings, stay indoors if you can during those peak hours. hydrate, get under shade if you're having those picnics.

two heat stories here, we have the heat on the west. it's a dry heat. i know we always say that. this is prolonged. we're seeing days and days of heat, and it's really above average for this time of the year. we're not used to these temperatures on the west. it's not right along the coast but sort of inland here. we're not getting that relief at night. that's when our bodies rest. they recover, they rejuvenate, we're not getting that because we're not able to recover with these high low temperatures. during the day temperatures anywhere from 5 to 25 degrees above normal for this time of the year. in the southern states, we're looking at the heat and humidity. that is so hard for our bodies to cool off. that's why it's particularly dangerous here. here is the setup. there is the jet stream. you can see kind of high to the north here, it's allowing all of that heat and humidity in. this kind of dips in the middle, kind of closes off the door from the heat and allows that cooler air from canada to come in. then on the other side, we're looking at those temperatures, 5 to 25 degrees above what is typical for this time of the year. notice these numbers to the right. that's where we're seeing the above average temperatures, reading today 112, las vegas, we

are looking at 112. and yuma 112. it is hot out there and dangerously hot too in the south. >> what i'm noticing there, a little bit of an update on your map for beryl, a slight bit farther north than this morning. >> that's what it's trending. southern texas no doubt is going to see the wind and rain, depending on where that landfall does set up. >> thank you. still ahead, we'll dive deeper into all of this extreme weather a little later from a climate scientist. plus, we're live in london after the break where an election is underway, and history could be made in america's closest ally. america's closest ally ify so you can build it better, scale it faster and sell more. much more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. ava: i was just feeling sick. and it was the worst day. mom was crying. i was sad.

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welcome back. we're just learning that president biden and israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu spoke over the phone today, and according to the white house, the pair discussed ongoing efforts to finalize a cease fire deal in the release of hostages. hamas's latest military attack and america's quote, ironclad commitment to israel's security. both men are expected to meet in person in about three weeks when netanyahu addresses congress. . and right now voters in the uk are heading to the polls for what could be a potentially historic election there, and a major shake-up for the united states closest ally. the party of current british prime minister rishi sunak today facing an end to 14 years of conservatives in power, and the person expected to become the new prime minister, keir starmer

says he's ready to stand up against a potential second term of donald trump. raf sanchez is live from the polling station in london. and, raf, what have you been hearing today from voters? >> reporter: so, richard, voters are casting their ballots right now as we speak, and they are deciding who will walk through that famous black door of downing street as the next prime minister of the united kingdom. as you mentioned, the polls very strongly indicating it is going to be the leader of the progressive labor party keir starmer. what we've been hearing from voters is not so much overwhelming enthusiasm for keir starmer as much as deep, deep frustration and exhaustion with the ruling conservative party who have been in power for 14 years. take a listen. >> towards labor.

>> towards labor, why labor? >> i'm just tired with tories. >> you're done with the conservatives? >> yeah, it's just -- i would say i think it's time for change for sure. >> i voted for reform. >> you voted for reform. >> first time, i've always voted for conservative since i started voting. i think it's time for a change. >> reporter: now, richard, you heard that second voter there saying he's voting for reform. that is a new pop list right wing party. it is very strongly anti-immigration, and a lot of traditional conservative voters are abandoning their party. they are moving over to reform. the polls suggest they could get as much as a fifth of the vote in tonight's election, but the way that the uk's election system is set up, it's fairly unlikely that they will actually win many seats in parliament. richard. >> and very interesting, as you know, raf, because in recent elections in europe, they went conservative. the uk going the exact opposite of the rest of europe, if we can

say that. i want to get your perspective on this, the british weekly newspaper, the economist out with another scorching story over why biden must withdraw from the u.s. presidential race. you know, raf, if starmerwins here, president biden is expected to to be one of the first phone calls in office. what can you tell us about their relationship? >> reporter: so, richard, starmer is a centrist. he is a supporter of ukraine. he is a supporter of nato. and in terms of personality, in terms of politics, in terms of policy, there is every reason to believe that he will be deeply compatible as a partner with president biden. we know he's spoken to jake sullivan a couple of times this year already, and we expect that if he wins tomorrow, one of the first phone calls will be with president biden, but six months from now, you could potentially have a prime minister keir starmer sitting across the table from an unrestrained second term president donald trump, a man who has threatened to take the united states out of nato who has threatened to cut western

support for ukraine, and those are policy positions deeply, deeply at odds with the ones that starmer is running on right now. we spoke to starmer's campaign chief earlier this week, and he said starmer will stand up for what he believes in regardless of who's in the white house. >> certainly a subject here, raf, that will keep british pubs' cash registers ringing for a long time. raf sanchez in london, thank you so much, raf. up next, an nbc news exclusive, what sources are telling us about a new federal criminal investigation against shawn diddy combs. is being . i can't believe this is the world we live in, where we're losing the freedom to control our own bodies. we need your support now more than ever. go online, call, or scan this code, with your $19 monthly gift. and we'll send you this "care. no matter what" t-shirt. it is your right to have safe health care.

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nbc news has brand new exclusive reporting that rapper and producer sean diddy combs is now the subject of a federal criminal investigation. nbc's chloe melas brought us that exclusive reporting, and chloe, what more can you tell us? >> hey there, two sources familiar with sean diddy combs' legal issues tell nbc news that just last week his legal team was notified that combs is the subject of an ongoing federal investigation and that a new york grand jury is hearing evidence right now. i do want to be clear about the difference between a subject and a target. now, a subject is someone who is within the scope of a criminal investigation. now, that is what sean diddy combs is right now. now, at any point it can be

upgraded, downgraded, and at this point he has not been upgraded to a target, and a person who is a target, that's when prosecutors are likely intending to seek an indictment. now, you know, nbc news we've reached out to the u.s. attorney's office who have declined to comment. we've reached out to attorneys for combs who have not commented and the southern district of new york who hasn't said anything. there's no indication that charges are imminent, but this is coming just a few months after combs' homes were raided both in miami and in los angeles, and he's facing mounting civil suits, and you know, actually just yesterday there was another civil suit that was filed by a former adult film star who was accusing combs of sex trafficking and in a statement late yesterday, combs' legal team said that obviously they vehemently deny all of this. you know, also this is all coming amid cnn obtaining that explosive surveillance video of sean combs in 2016 brutally

assaulting his then girlfriend cassandra ventura in a hotel in a hallway. you see him kicking her, dragging her it looks like by the hair, and at the time when cassie filed a federal civil suit, combs' legal team came out and denied any allegations of domestic violence, but then after the video was released by cnn, that's when combs went on social media and apologized and said that it was like a lapse of judgment and that he, you know, takes full responsibility ask he's been working on himself. and obviously he's been denying all of the other allegations that have come out. but again, you know, it's not clear if charges are imminent, if an indictment is imminent, but in the meantime, you know, a grand jury is hearing evidence, and he is the subject of a federal investigation. back to you. >> all right, chloe, thank you so much for that reporting. and up next, we'll talk to a climate scientist about our weather getting more extreme each year. is this the new normal, and what can we do? plus, why one wildly popular fourth of july tradition now has

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surface temperatures as experts have been telling us. a record-breaking triple digit heat wave also this week now helping trigger dangerous wildfires in the west. almost dozens of them just in the state of california, and even smaller events like thunderstorms are packing bigger punches now. this as "the new york times" reports global warming creates conditions more favorable to severe storms as the planet warms. severe storms of all kinds are likely to deliver even bigger payloads of rain. joining us now is climate scientist katherine hay hoe. she's a professor at texas tech university and chief scientist at the nature conservancy. great to see you here, professor. we're seeing, as i was just saying, the extreme weather that michelle grossman was telling us a little bit earlier in this hour, we're watching the extreme heat, what i was calling the horseshoe of heat across the country. we also have beryl. how do you explain this and is it an anomaly? >> scientists have been tracking

how our emissions of carbon pollution that are building up in the atmosphere, wrapping an extra blanket around the planet will affect our weather for decades, and everything we've predicted is coming true. we are seeing that climate change is super sizing the heat waves that we've always had. it's making the hurricanes that we've always had intensify faster, they're bigger and they're stronger. they're dumping more rain. it's making our storms more powerful. it's loading the weather dice against us. >> how do you see the connection between extreme weather and that which we do every day in our lives, if you will, human-caused climate change? >> so often people refer to climate change as global warming, which refers to the increase in the average temperature of the whole planet, but i prefer to call it global weirding because wherever we live today, the weather is getting weirder. >> so global weirding, and what can the everyday person do?

what can businesses do related to that? i know that's a big question, but are you making that connection? and if so, what would be your advice? >> well, that is a great question. in fact, that is the number one question that i hear as a climate scientist today. so my answer to that question is pinned to the top of my instagram account. it's pinned to the top of my threads account, and i can tell you exactly what the answer is, and it might surprise you. the most important thing each of us can do whether as an individual, as a family, as a school, as a business, as a church, as an organization, it is not reducing our personal carbon footprint, but it is talking about what we can do together to make a difference. we need to prepare, build resilience soprepare, build resilience, so when the extremes happen we're ready for them. we need to protect the people we love from the extreme storms and heat, and we need to cut our emissions of carbon pollution that are causing this in the

first place. people, organizations, cities, businesses and more around the country are doing more and more of this every day. >> should we expect another record breaking barrel, the hurricane barrel right now next year and years to come. will we see these records continually broken until we do something, and for how long if you turn things around today. >> that's exactly what we're seeing is over time on average, our hurricanes are getting stronger. they're intensifying faster. they're dumping a lot more rain on us. scientists are talking about doing it a category six because they're getting so much stronger, and this is going to keep on going as long as we keep on burning coal, gas and oil to provider energy needs. we need to transition to a clean energy economy, and people say, well how fast, as fast as we can. as much as we can. because what the science says is every bit of warming that we avoid makes a difference, and our future is in our hands.

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300 years ago we stuck a hose in the swimming pool, and we have been turning the hose up every year, so the level of water in the swimming pool, the level of heat trapping gases in the atmosphere, that level has been going up faster and faster over time. so when we turn the hose down, it increases more slowly. when we turn the hose off, it stops increasing. but then if we want the level to go back down, we have to make the drain bigger, too. and that's where nature comes in. >> katherine ahoe, thank you so much for your time today. >> thank you for having me. >> you bet ya. up next, live to coney island for an update on a beloved july 4th tradition. the new record that was just nat dog eating competition. hot dog eating competition ned, ned, who are you wearing?

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and now to a fourth of july tradition, nathan's famous hot dog eating contest. let's go to coney island and nbc's george solis. george, you got to start with the new record breaker. >> reporter: yeah, richard, we have witnessed history here. patrick of chicago, 58 hot dogs. i'm going to say that again, 58 hot dogs in ten minutes. that is unfathomable, i can only do about two. to watch that unfold in

realtime, i don't think i'll ever look at a hot dog the same way again. on the women's side, not to be undone, mickey suto, downing 51 hot dogs, broke her own record of 48 hot to goes. they wear the belt, rightly deserved. there was talk about the reigning champ, joey chest nut being present, outside of that, you can't underscore the sheer talent it takes to eat that many hot dogs in that amount of time. i have never experienced anything like that. outside of the hot dog eating contest, the mood is immaculate, the weather has been cooperative. we know it has been a factor in some parts of the country where it's been so hot that celebrations have been canceled. that's not the case out here. as i look to the right, a sea of umbrellas on the ocean front. people loving the celebration that's going to unfold on the

hudson. fireworks spectacular, a lot of people excited for this fourth of july. extended holiday that many people are looking forward to, been a great time, so a happy 4th to you, and a happy 4th to all of our viewers. >> i know that the rumor was that both the winner, mickey suto and her husband were the front runners. they're married, too, as well. >> reporter: yeah, yeah, that was certainly the hope and the expectation. there was a lot of rumors and hope that joey chestnut was going to make a surprise appearance and come back and claim the belt. obviously we will celebrate the new reigning champs for this year's hot dog eating contest. i might have another one. definitely not anywhere near the 50. >> thank you, again, george, for satisfying my hot dog eating trivia needs for this july 4th, i appreciate it. george solis, live in coney