good morning. it is saturday, july 6th. after a challenging week that has tested the party's coalition four months before a critical election, joe biden is remaining on is presumptive democratic presidential nominee after a closely watch yesterday. you probably may have heard, i had a little debate last week. can't say it is my best performance. ever since then, there has been a lot of speculation, what's joe going to do? is he going to stay in the race? is he going to drop out? what's he going to do? here's my answer, i am running and going to win again.

>> shortly after those remarks, the president said down for an exclusive interview with abc's george stephanopoulos, during which he answered tough questions about this year's presidential race. >> have you convinced yourself only you can defeat him? >> i have convinced myself of two things, the most qualified person to beat him and i know how to get things done. >> if you could be convinced you cannot defeat donald trump, will you stand down?>> only if the lord almighty comes down and tells me that, i might do that. an important we can for the president as he tries to quell concerns about his ability to defeat donald trump again in november and lead democrats to victory. he's also trying to ease the minds of democratic lawmakers in particular ahead of their return to democratic hill on monday. many are already planning to convene to discuss the path forward to their party. house minority leader hakeem

jeffries will lead a meeting with democratic ranking members tomorrow. meanwhile, senator mark warner of virginia is working to assemble a group of senators to discuss private biden's prospects. minnesota congresswoman angie craig called for biden to step aside and pass the torch to a new generation of democratic leaders, while a few others have made public statements critical of the president, but have stopped short of saying he should be replaced as the party's nominee. join me now is quentin foltz, rentable campaign manager for cody biden/harris campaign. thank you for being with us. >> good morning, thank you for having me. >> i want to play a part of that abc news interview from the president and ask about it on the other side. let's listen to it together. select if you stay in and drop is elected and everything you are warning comes to pass, how will you feel in january?

>> i will fill i gave it my all and i didn't do as good of a job as i thought i could do. that is what this is about. >> quentin, i want to get your response. that seems to be the question. there are not people who would otherwise support a democratic candidate for the president himself, who doesn't think he would be a brighter resident than donald trump, or safer president for democracy than donald trump. the issue seems to be coming down to, whether people can be convinced that joe biden can beat donald trump in november. >> look, i think that what the president was trying to say is you there is nobody going to fight harder to defeat donald trump then he is and he will give it his all, which is what we have seen him doing in the wake of a performance, which he himself admits was not his best. we have seen the president go out, go to speeches, fundraisers, continue to do the work of somebody running to be

the president of the united states. i think that is what the president is thinking. we've also heard the president layout the state of this election and the fact that donald trump does not care about himself. he likes to use the term, most of an alley cat. that is factual. when has donald trump done anything off of anybody but himself. i think president biden will saying he is in this race, and will continue to work as hard as he can. he is the most qualified person . for the past three and half years, he has been working nonstop to deliver for the american people. >> no one can take issue with both the record of joe biden, in my case, i studied the economy and it has been very strong. on a number of other issues, including a number of foreign affairs issues, and the fact that you are running against a guy who looks to be interested in dismantling democracy, however, that is not stopped the fact that the washington post is reporting virginia senator mark warner is preparing to make the case to the president himself that he step aside. after the debate, it's a good number of days for either

president biden or the campaign, to reach out to congressional members of leadership we heard from members of congress who wanted to speak to the president directly to me that he did not reach out, and the campaign did not reach out, is that crazy? >> the president has reached out to a number of officials. we spoke with former leader pelosi, jeffries, leader schumer, he has met with democratic governors in the white house, been doing call time calling to members. the president has been reaching out, as have our campaign. we understand the democratic coalition, as we have been reaching out to communicate to voters, as they are the best surrogates for what the president has done and under his leadership, so we will continue to do that. at the end of the day, the fundamentals of this race has not changed. we just saw a poll this morning showing that the president has narrowed all swing states. we will continue to put in the work to make sure we are communicating to voters, because the campaign that runs the hardest and communicates to as many people as they can will

win. while we are communicating to those people, we know the issues are on their side. they note that they will consider continue to see president biden deliver on issues they are talking about at their kitchen tables. that will decide this election and that is where the american people are, which is why the fundamentals of this race have changed. nothing about the debate change the way that donald trump wanted to rip away reproductive freedoms, nothing changed that donald trump wants to be addict later in the supreme court with an immunity ruling that he largely appointed, now just giving him the keys to get closer to that. that is one of the things of this election. the voters know president biden is on their side. that is why they continue to have his back and that is the leverage we will continue to take into november and win this election. >> i get it and we are not arguing about this. i think the fundamentals are

the same and the records remain the same. donald trump's record remains worse than it has ever been. the issue still comes down to something president said to george stephanopoulos last night, something that you've said. he believes, and i guess you believe, that he is in the best position to win this election, that no one will fight harder than he is and people badly leave that to be true. how do you answer that? a fundraiser email you sent out concerning the debate performance called those people who are worried about it bed wetters. what is the president's plan over the next couple of weeks to demonstrate, not that he is a better candidate, not that he would be a better president, not that donald trump would be a threat to democracy, all of those things are approvingly true, but that he has the ability to win a close election? >> look, i think he has got to continue to put in the work. you had me lay out his robust

travel schedule, going to do a speech on immunity, talking about extreme heat, going to wisconsin to give a speech to thousands of supporters yesterday, continuing to do sitdown interviews. that is where the president's mind is. he has to assure the american people, that is what he will continue with a robust travel campaign with a robust schedule the next few weeks to make sure we are getting in front of as many voters as possible. we are not arguing about this, but at the end of the day, no one can garage president biden. everything will official has to believe they are the best option . they have to believe they can represent the people and they have to believe they are qualified enough and understand the legislative system and can lead enough to get things done for the american people. the stakes are extremely high. when we see things like project 2025 and donald trump continuing to gunning down on agencies like the department of education, using the comstock act to ban abortions from women. those are the things that president biden believes he is qualified with his body of work, throughout his entire career that he can lead here that is what he will do and he will continue to put in the work day in and day out on the

campaign trail, as well as the oval office as the leader of the free world to make sure americans see that day in and day out. >> talking about project 2025, i've got to hear, it is too big to bind in one book. it has remarkable names like mandate for leadership. one who donald trump wants to install in positions of power, she should he win? people like vivek ramaswamy, people like casper tell, and the very specific threats they have made to seek revenge and reputation on those who oppose him, which by the way include you and me both, is it important, or is it something you thought about for the president's cabinet in the president's advisers to be a bigger president on the campaign trail to emphasize the team that is behind this? segment it is absolutely important. it is important from the standpoint of diversity and inclusion. you have heard the president say routinely, he was an

administration that looks like america. he has been vice president to the first black president, president to the first female vice president and lack female vice president. he has put a black woman on the supreme court. his cabinet is diverse as america. it is absolutely important that people see their perspectives are being brought to the table. that is what the president's cabinet looks like. that is the work going in and why the issues from a legislative standpoint and the policies that have been put in place the last couple of years reflect a broad range of issues and topics and constituency groups, because those issues are being brought to the table directly to the president by people he has put in place. >> let me ask you, because we talked to our reporters, all the networks did, after our interview last night and there word from the white house is, they thought the president hit it out of the park in that interview. do you feel that way? >> the president had a broad interview. he answered tough questions after a debate performance where everybody has been

telling him that he should exit the race and he defied expectations. i think the president showed up . he just gave a speech. he answered every single question, talking about the substance. he laid out his body of work for his career and the past three and half year standing up for americans' rights throughout this country. yes, president biden deliver. >> quinton, as always, good to see you. let's keep this conversation going. we will need to have it pretty much every week. principal deputy campaign manager for the biden/harris campaign. workable, i'm joined by mark for the "atlantic. ! also author and contributor for the book, "thank you for your servitude" senior advisor at the lincoln project and author of "the conspiracy to end america, five ways my old party is driving america to autocracy." thank you for being with us, mark. i want to play you a part of joe biden and george

stephanopoulos's conversation, where they discussed his polling numbers. let's listen in together. >> you won the popular vote in 2020, but it was still deadly close. yes. but you are behind now in the popular vote. >> i don't buy that. >> mark, it's worried a lot of people last night that the president did not seem to buy the polling. i am not somebody who invests deeply in polling for an half months out from an election, but what do you make of that response? >> polls are an easy and recurring target for any politician pretty much on either side. there are some polls that have just been recalcitrant, ethically the last three or four years. that is the super majority and overwhelming super majority of america that wanted no part of joe biden running for president and his current age. i am not trying to even

cherry pick here, either. there was a cbs poll last week and that 72% of americans do not think he had the mental capabilities to actually perform the job right now. i don't know how you come back from that. i don't want to do a deep dive into polls so much. i agree, the situation is bleak, poll lies for november. the larger issue is, it is really hard for me to understand how his surrogates, or he himself can look into a camera and really believe that he is fit to do this job a day after january 20th, 2025. for all the people i've talked to, i don't think the interview last night really relieved a lot of the doubts. i still think he has got some real problems, both in the polls and also with credibility at this point. >> i want to read from something you have written, an article called "the dump biden uprising." voters in all 50 states, the district of columbia and five u.s. territories have their stay, as the abroad, joe biden

won 87% of the total vote. he lost one contest in american samoa to the little-known jason palmer here suddenly, there are cries in the democratic party that as goes the single democratic caucus, so should the nation. >> look, you know, i have been around presidential campaigns a long time. july 1988, george bush was 17 points behind michael dukakis, 17 points. if you don't think that people thought george bush was the wrong candidate then, you are insane, of course they did here this is what campaigns are about. they are about fighting, it is supposed to be hard. i think the structure of this race very much favors joe biden. in all of this talk, another question that stephanopoulos asked, if you lost, how would you appeal? let's turn that question around, if another candidate loses to donald trump, will

people be saying, joe biden should have run? of course, they will. it is sort of a silly question. i think that there is a very powerful argument that the biden campaign has. i think they have patience, i think they are experienced, and this is sort of like, do you think at the atlanta super bowl, the patriots got together in the locker room and said, this is it, it is over? no, it isn't supposed to be easy. you go out and make your case and it is july. i will make one other point, not to hit a sore spot, but a lot fewer people know about project 2025 today in july then they knew about michael dukakis , then they knew about willie in july 1988. campaigns change. there are arguments. i think the biden campaign needs to go out there in order to campaign. and i think he is

going to win, i think he is going to win comfortably. >> mark, i got my project 2025- - this is what i got to do, carry it around with me. it takes two books. whitley yesterday on truth social, donald trump posted-- i am paraphrasing, he had a post, i don't know project 2025, i'm not associated with it, but i don't agree it with a lot of stuff in it. in july, donald trump is distancing himself from the heritage foundation's 920 page blueprint. here is what his post said, i know nothing about project 2025. i have no idea who is behind it . i disagree with some of the things they are saying and some of the things they are saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. anything they do, i wish them luck, but i have nothing to do with them. the head of the heritage foundation was on with my colleagues this weekend and outlined the fact that not only is this all real, but it will happen under a trump presidency. i agree with, this feels like the direction democrats need to

be leaning into. >> human focusing on 2025? first of all, do you really carry that thing around with you give mark remind me not to ask for suggestions. [ laughter ] you can talk forever about the concerning things that donald trump and the next donald trump administration could bring to bear on the american experiment , just from beginning to end. at this point, i agree with stuart. this is about having an argument, about five. i think the big problem now, and it is obvious, whether joe biden is suited to doing this. i think that is going to be really the raging question in this race, until maybe donald trump saves him in some weird way by making some kind of news. i assume he will delay the running mate pick for as long as this debacle is front and center. i agree. no one disputes that this isn't

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i'm back, with me mark leibowitz, and stuart stevens, senior advisor for the lincoln project, both who have written for the "atlanta" this week. there is no disagreement with any of us, folks who want biden to drop out are saying, it is because of democracy being on the line, because of stuff like project 2025, because of abortion rights, because of a bunch of things and democrats should run someone else so they guarantee the win. you are actually making the

argument that it should be biden to me for exactly the same underlying reasons. make the pitch. segment what makes you think another candidate will do better? none of these candidates have run for president and won, except for joe biden. how many times have we seen candidates that look great and they answer primaries, and it turns out, they are not so great? what is this sort of assumption that we are going to replace this person? it seems to be this very american thing, that new must be better. how we sell cars, we never say just as good as last year, it has to be new. how long does that last? and you are going to spend how long vetting the next candidate give mark i can promise you, any of these candidates, you're going to learn a lot more about them than you do now. maybe that is good, maybe it is not. i think that will make it more difficult to focus on donald trump. this question seems to me to be a fair question.

can joe biden, is he up for being an effective president? to me, that was a more effective question in december 20, then july 23. he has arguably been the most successful president since world war ii. you can ask the question, as effective in four years? it is kind of like still counting the knife fight. i get through the knife fight, but when is the election? i just don't buy the premise of this, that all of a sudden, something new is going to be better. it's frankly just does not parse in a political world. no parties hold on to the white house without incumbency since 1988. that is a very big deal. >> mark, i want to get a response to that but add to something you said the last segment, trump made delay his vp pick as long as this

dominates the news cycle. does the fact that this dominates the news cycle speaks of the difference between the democratic party and the republican party? senator betterment made the point last night, when donald trump got convicted of 30 foretells, everyone just like him and went to the court. democrats are twisting themselves into pretzels about this. maybe that is the sign of a healthy party at a big tent, as opposed to a cult. >> i do think it is the sign of a healthy party. when you look at it fundamentally, the vast majority of democrats, elected officials, people around the president, have been kind of subscribing to the same lemminglike sensibility mentality that has driven i think the republican party off a cliff and democracy off a cliff potentially if donald trump wins. i guess i would go back to me first of all, i get stuart's argument, it is very clear and cogent, and frankly might be the right argument here. my point is i think, yes, there is all kinds of unknowns with a

plan b, or plan c, or some other candidate to becoming the democratic nominee here. i just think that we have reached a point, and democrats are reaching a point, where the old is looking increasingly untenable. i really think all of us, i think a lot of people who don't want donald trump to be president are unified in hoping that we hope we are wrong . >> guys, you are both very thoughtful about this and i am deeply appreciative for your time this morning. they may not be discussions we want to have me but they are discussions we need to have. thank you for your servitude, donald trump's washington price of admission. author of conspiracy to america, five ways my party is driving america to autocracy. talks to and the israel- gaza war could help cool off another deadly conflict

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the biden administration says, there has been a breakthrough, their words, for a potential cease-fire deal in the israel and gaza war and a framework is now in place. the administration says, hamas has quote, made a pretty significant adjustment in their set of demands, which is now

quote, fully consistent, and quote with the deal biden made intimate that pastor the security council months later. prime minister and president biden discussed the agreement during a call on thursday. in fact, biden made a reference to it in his interview with george stephanopoulos last night. however, senior biden officials warned, there still work to be done and the deal is not done until everything is done, which is something i think we have come to expect. yesterday, high-ranking officials were in delhi with egyptian officials as mediators for hamas. following yesterday's negotiations, benjamin netanyahu's office said quote, gaps remain, and a source told my nbc colleague, matt bradley the talks were the beginning of a process, and not a breakthrough, as the biden administration has characterized it. talks are set to continue next

week. this comes as the "new york times" reports, israel's leadership was ideal, even if it means hamas remaining in power, despite the fact that israel's central demands is october 7th has been for the so- called destruction of hamas, a goal that joe biden and antony blinken have told israel is not realistic. israel's top generals believe a deal is the best way to rescue remaining hostages and also calm the situation in north and india with israel and hezbollah. the iranian backed military group have been engaged in exchange of fire since october, which continued this morning. on thursday, hezbollah fired its biggest ross yet. roughly 200 rockets into northern israel. that came in retaliation for israeli strike, which killed a senior commander. yesterday, a leader briefed hamas on the hostage proposal. there is a lot here which is

why the person we need to turn to, an independent journalist based in israel with two decades of covering the conflict. there's a lot here. i spoke to you last night. you are not 100% sure this was a deal. i think we were thinking, the protagonist in this thing, hamas leadership and benjamin netanyahu both don't see a bright future for themselves if the fighting stops. >> sorry about that. yes, the two leaders, in other words, i really don't want to compare them. netanyahu, for all of his flaws is that legal head of government. he is on trial and extremely unpopular and what he sees in front of him is on survivable. if this work comes to an end, and that is what hamas is demanding, one of the sticking points for sure, one of these

remaining gaps is that hamas is demanding that israel will not resume this war after the first phase of the release of thumb, the remaining hostages. hamas hopes to release more dead hostages then living hostages, initially. that would hold israeli feet to the fire. israel is refusing to declare an end to the war. netanyahu has made his endgame an impossible endgame . it is not getting rid of what may eventually be possible, but total victory, absolute victory, and he refuses to define that. as long as it israeli soldiers are fighting and dying, certainly as long as there are a number that are released, but let's say 90 hostages remain, he can allow himself to declare an end to the war and hope not to be toggled. there is a different scenario for the hamas leaders who are in hiding, in tunnels, and want

only to survive. they don't care how many people around them died, palestinians or israelis. >> let's talk northern israel and lebanon. about an hour ago, an email that says, israel's path to convince hezbollah to hold its fire hinges on striking a gaza deal with hamas. as you and i have discussed and many people have discussed, i am not sure many people realize, hezbollah is not hamas. it is significantly more sophisticated, organized, better trained, more disciplined, and equipped. they were between israel and hezbollah would not be as one- sided as has been seen in gaza with hamas. how is that influencing the view that the generals say, this work in gaza has to stop because of a potential war in the north, and how to stop the war in gaza preventing war with hezbollah?>> as you said, there

are so many moving parts. i will try and make a puzzle out of it. we should understand hezbollah as almost a branch of the iranian military. that is the extent of its army, that is the extent of its training. top hezbollah are regularly trained by forces, but it is not in iran. it is really a proxy of iran, in the most primitive sense of the word, proxy located in lebanon. if there were a war among the people who would suffer terribly are lebanese civilians . these are not hezbollah civilians. has basically taken possession militarily of a swath of southern lebanese territory in the south of country. if a war breaks out, it would be an all out war. people living in beirut would be barred by israeli planes, and the entire israeli north, probably the entirety of

israeli territory would be under massive missile barrages. i think the 200 missiles we saw two days ago that you mentioned , i think we are talking in the thousands, and very powerful missiles that israelis believed could hit most of the country. that is on one side. on the other side, lebanon is a southern state that has its own interest and does not want this war. it is unclear that iran does. it is even clear that israel does. israelis don't seem to want this war. sorry, hezbollah and hamas are tied. one way to climb off the tree for hezbollah , a statement they made yesterday saying, if a cease- fire agreement is reached with hamas, we will cease-fire minute one. they are touting their own fate, the fate of this war they want to wage against israel to an agreement.

that is a part of the pressure system now on hamas and on israel to accept a deal. >> thanks as always. always throw a lot of complicated issues at you and we love the clarity. two decades of experience covering the israeli, palestinian conflict. coming up, after 14 years of political irrelevance, the labour party has won the uk elections in a major landslide. the elections were not about embracing labor policies for the future. we will talk about how it happened and what lessons the uk shakeup could have for americans as we approach a critical test of our own ideas this november. novem.

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2024 is the biggest election year globally in modern history. 63 countries that make up more than what the world have opened the population are voting for their leaders this year, including us in the united states, as well as france, south africa, venezuela, and the united kingdom, which held its election thursday. the result was the end of 14 years of rule by the uk's conservative party as britain's center left labour party won in a landslide. that huge victory put this guy at the helm. this is keir starmer, britton's newly elected prime minister. he is a 61-year-old former

human rights attorney, described as a radical turned leftist. he and his party ran on economic stability to address britton's cost-of-living crisis, to fight child poverty and prioritize sustainability development and goals. he also vowed govern for every single person in this country. his win came with an unprecedented parliament seat change with the conservative party losing 252 seats, down to 121, and the labour party gaining 214 to hold 412 seats out of the total of 650. despite this landslide win, starmer has never been popular among the british british voting public. in fact, he is quite unpopular. according to a recent u government poll, only 36% of britons have a favorable for starmer, very similar to joe biden's approval rating now. the party that just lost majority is even less popular

with a favorable rating of just 19%. that abysmal score for the conservative party is well earned. in the last 14 years in the uk, which has been run by conservatives, the nation has taken a turn for the worse by almost every metric. over those 14 years, the party had five ministers, cut taxes for the wealthy, and for corporations again and again. the party ushered in the now unpopular brexit decision to leave the european union. the british economy has tumbled and stayed down with the longest streak of negative gdp since record-keeping the gap. quality of life diminished, hunger was at record high levels, food banks thought record high demand and nearly 1 million kids fell into poverty. this week was a referendum on how conservatives have ruled over those 14 years. the fact is, nobody really thought that

keir starmer was the perfect candidate to be the new prime minister of the uk. with all due respect, i think it is safe to say, there likely weren't many brits who were thrilled to cast a ballot for starmer and the labour party. they cast their ballots against the conservative party in the last 14 years . meanwhile, in the united states, we are staring down likely the most consequential election of any of our lifetimes. and i understand the lack of enthusiasm about the choices we have. perhaps, we should take a lesson from the united kingdom. it did not matter people weren't excited about the guy at the top of the ticket, they still chose the party that promised to promote democracy and turn away from corruption, and away from racism and anti- immigrant rhetoric. the party that promised to move toward greater prosperity for all and away from a pattern of increasing economic disparity. again, we should take note, because this election, the choice in other america is binary. you either vote for democracy, or you don't. don't. despite treatment, it's still not under control. but now i have rinvoq.

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i'm joined by the award- winning journalist minnie hassan, founder, editor, and ceo and chief of the new media organization. founder and organizer of and author of several books, including quote, the power of crisis, how and microsoft will change our world. thank you both for being here. welcome back. you just published an op-ed in your new publication titled, quote, good riddance to the worst british government of my lifetime, in which you list the countless failures of the uk government in the last 14 years. unit corruption, economic turmoil, significant downturn and the quality of life for other britons and scandals. it was a landslide victory, but labor only got 34% of the vote. explain to me how you think about this. is this merely a rejection of the conservative party? what is it? >> great question, good to be back on the show. a couple of

things, number one, we have a voting system in the uk, which is absurd. you can win one third of the vote and get two thirds ofs of the labour party is done and the conservative party has also benefited from the system. smaller parties kind of gets ruled by it. it is a problem. the voting, the system does not really affect the will of the people in many ways. 34 percentage points, two points up on jeremy corbin's defeat in 2017. it was not great enthusiasm for the labor department, but transferred to a landslide. the uk, like most other western democracies still inhabited reality universe. when the government is incompetent, when the economy is failing, when the ministries are doing crazy things like having parties during a covid lockdown, when they are nominating a prime minister

that wipes out half $1 trillion in stock and bond markets, the people go, hey, maybe we should not reelect that government. even in the united states, where donald trump can say objective things, calls an insurrection, and yet is equal to power. most of other still know how to hold democracy to account. >> this, as mentioned, is the biggest election year globally in modern history. all elections are not created equal, in part because of the things minnie stated. we are seeing countries decide to turn either toward democracy and progressive values me or turned away from democracy and progressive value, depending on where you look. far right parties have won across you europe, but others have voted in favor of democracy and slightly moderate leaders. careful on what i am about to say, iran just elected a

reformed leader, although you have to pass a test to even be a candidate. in iran, modi did not win an outright majority. give me your analysis. >> if you look at how elections work around the world, first of all, did you just say a bit of this, if it is a real democracy, with the exception of the united states, they are free, fair, seen to be free and fair and legitimate by the entirety of the population. the uk in particular, you saw an outgoing prime minister and incoming prime minister both deliver very inclusive speech is directed toward government for the entirety of the british population. you wish the united states would do that here and we are no longer capable of that in this system. that is a problem. broadly, i don't think the lessons we are learning this year are about moving to or away democracy. what we are learning is that after a pandemic, incumbents are getting crushed. they are getting crushed because

inflation is still really high after this unprecedented seizing up of the global economy and normative amounts of money being pumped in and suddenly everything being pumped in again, and also migration being crazy after no one moved at all for 3 years. if you are left holding the bag after that unprecedented challenge that affected all of our lives around the world, you are going to get hurt. we are seeing that with modi, we saw it with the anc, we will see it with macron this weekend, and you will see it with the brits. if there is a lesson in the united states, it is that democracy is a challenge in this environment. >> joe biden likes to say that democracy is growing in the world and autocracy is shrinking . i don't know if i believe that to be true. what is your sense in this election world about where people are? there is an appeal we have not seen for decades. >> joe biden's democracy,

autocracy distinction is a good one. he does not tend to practice it because the united states backs autocracy, a conversation for another day. i agree with ian. in the uk, of course, what they have been so worried about over the past 24 hours or what has taken up a lot of conversation has been nigel farage's very hard right reform policy, which has won seats in parliament but the vote almost came from nowhere, the success of the united kingdom party. that is worrying, because it is a very anti-immigrant party. a lot of candidates were caught on tape saying racist and homophobic things here there is of course the global right, the authoritarian right on the march. we have seen that from south america, to asia, the united states, europe. we will see it in france tomorrow. it could be disastrous for the french political system. a part of that rise of course

has been center left parties unwilling to take a stand. i'm one of those people that criticizes the center left for not drawing the line in the sand and for going too far for appeasing the right. and micron is certainly guilty of that. most of his time in office has been echoing right-wing talking points about immigration, islam, and integration. that does not work. when you give voters a choice between mild dish right and really, really right, they choose the really, really right. and that is a problem. take a stand. >> and one of the things of concern around the world as it relates to the conversation of our next election, particularly around ukraine, is the idea of what happens next? if donald trump is elected, there are people, including macron, were very concerned about what happens to ukraine me that it could fall just on the basis of donald trump being the president of the united

states, and that america just won't take its global alliances as seriously. what is your take on that? >> we have a natal 75th anniversary summit in washington, d.c. just coming this week and america's allies are very deeply concerned that the united states is becoming much more unilateral, much less willing to provide a leadership role on global security. the u.s. leadership role on a global trade has already fallen apart. the u.s. no longer supports the wto the way it is to. multilateral trade organization. a lot of traditional american allies are worried about that. they're particularly worried about that under a potential trump administration, because trump strongly promotes a more unilateralist american centered foreign policy. i would say, that is not equally true for all allies around the world. trump and biden have most of the same china policy, so america's asian allies are less concerned about what might happen if trump comes in for a second presidency. you've got the israelis, the gulf states that are very

comfortable with trump as an individual president. remember, his first trip ever as president uniquely was to the gulf and israel. the europeans are particularly and singularly concerned about a trump administration, because trump does not support a strong eu. in fact, he supported brexit and kept axing the french president, when are you going to leave the eu? if you combine that with trump's willingness to cut a deal on russia, ukraine, whatever that means, and putin coming out the last couple of hours thing, i support that, that sounds good to me. almost every european leader is panic over what that could mean in just a few months, and absolutely, they are coming to washington with that center of mind. guys, out of time. literally, two of the smartest people i know and friends of mine and friends to the show. an award-winning founder, ceo and chief of the tail, and founder of the ratio group and author of "the power of crisis, how three credit