head is back in the filth of the war. it is not going to go away, any more than a woman can forget coming down with breast cancer. you are not going to relieve yourself of the memory of that. it stays with you forever. this is a way of bringing that back to life for high school, college kids and future generations. >> you. >> 100 of the best books oo written about war was red bag -- red badge of courage. i reread it a couple of times and it brings me back to something i have experienced, what the civil war was like, the story matters. >> tim o'brien, thank you.

you are the author of today's band book club feature, the things they carried. that does it for me right now "the katie phang show" begins. ♪ ♪ i am katie phang live from telemundo studios at miami, florida. here is the week that o was. the supreme court today settingm a new standard for presidential immunity. >> the court ruling issued he trump could not be prosecuted for official acts but also says he is not immune for acts outside his scope as president. >> we are in the process of the second american revolution, which will remain bloodless, if the left allows it to be. rudy giuliani has been permanently disbarred at new york, the state where he once made his reputation as mayor and top prosecutor. longtime trump ally steve bannon heading to princeton for his sentence. contempt of congress for defying a subpoena before the

january 6th committee. though ruling conservative power that has been in power for years as headed for a historic to see. >> you voted for it but now it has arrived. the change begins now >> there has been a lot of speculation what's joe going to do? is he going to stay in the race? here is my answer. i am ready to stay at and i will win again. [applause] we begin today's show with breaking news out of florida n this morning. judge aileen cannon has temporarily stayed certain deadlines in the classified documents case of donald trump. it is another sign of the very real fallout after the supreme court's blockbuster ruling on lo trump's presidential immunity argument >> i will talk more about this a bit later with msnbc on glenn kershner and vox senior

correspondent ian millhiser. we begin this morning r with president biden who, after his debate performance last week, ek is pushing for to turn the page. biden sat down for a prime time interview last night and is holding a solo news conference at the nato summit next week. the subidenãharris campaign also announced plans for so- called july push, with the president and top surrogates on the ground at every battleground state. consider the following as democrats continue to debate if biden should step aside with another house democrat representative angie craig today calling for the atpreside to drop out. republicans remain steadfast at their support for their convicted felon nominee. as the "new york times" puts it, quote, after mr. trump was found guilty of 34 felonies by a manhattan jury in made, there were no significant grounds

within the republican party to force him out of the race in favor of a less tainted candidate, even though many republican officeholders and strategists privately loathe him, they fell in line and make clear they would stick with them, no matter how many scandals piled up. joining me now is democratic congresswoman jasmine crockett, a member of the house oversight and accountability committees. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us d and getti us started this morning. i want to play a little bit of what president biden said during his exclusive interview with abc news anchor george stephanopoulos last night. take a listen. >> are you the same man today when you took office three and half years ago? >> yes. ea >> reporter: what has all that work over the last 3 1/2 years cost you, physically, mentally and emotionally? >> reporter: will, -- well, it r cost me a really bad night, a bad run but george, i have, i

am optimistic about this country. >> congresswoman, you have been outspoken about your support for the president, even posting on twitter that you are riding with biden. what do you say to voters who may have about biden's ability to be donald trump? >> yeah, first of all, great too see you. i am sorry i sound a little hoarse . i am at new orleans at essence, where the vice president is currently making rounds, as well. the difference between the republicans and democrats could not be more stark at many ways. one of the ways i think about is even though those democrats are calling for the president to step aside, they're not calling for the president to step aside because they think joe biden is a terrible person

or he is a failure. they are calling for him to step aside because they are scared. one thing i think we all are united at, no matter where you , stand, is our fear, our fear that somehow donald trump could get back into the white house. our fear that the supreme court would absolutely ended up be even worse because we know se donald trump plans to put at two more supreme court justices on that court and give them lifetime appointments, our fear because we know the reality of what they are seeking at y project 2025. the only thing i am asking everyone to do is to unite around the ticket. the ticket, at this point at time, is biden and harris. so long as the president says he can do this job, that is our ticket. we have a democratic process. e we went through the primary. and to subvert the will of the people, based on polls, is not what we do in a way democracy. when we think about it, if the polling was right, we never would've had donald trump at the pulling was right, we would not have democrats over performing by 20 points at a

number of elections. let's stay the course and recognize who the real enemy is. let's not give fodder to the republicans come november by tearing each other apart. >> you know, you serve on the oversight and accountability committees and you have seen the waste of time, money and resources that come from house gop baselessly pursuing donald trump's agenda, his conspiracy theories, nothing is getting done by that chaos caucus. how important is it to keep donald trump out of the oval office again if america wants to see actual work get done for

americans? >> yeah, if you just want to make sure there is an agenda that is only going to benefit donald trump, whether it is keeping him out of prison, hi which obviously that agenda is already well under way. that is why we have delayed sentencing at new york, it is why we can't get to any of the trials pending against him. i mean, the fact the supreme court has essentially said forget all precedents, we will l bow down and do whatever king donnell wants us to do, should scare the hell out of everybody. i don't care if you identify as a republican, independent or democrat, you should be scared that our democracy is literally falling apart before our eyes. p when you talk about the work at oversight, every time we try to approach things such as emolument, which we know donald trump, him, as well as his daughter, ivanka, whether it was trademarks or dollars, they were getting paid at the expense of the american people. i am just asking that the people put themselves first. right now, if you decide you want to go with donald trump, you are not putting yourself first. i know we want to go back to pre-pandemic life. lord knows, i wish we could go back to them. we know that donald trump was the president during the beginning of the pandemic, as well as prior to the pandemic. the reality is, we won't go back to pre-pandemic levels for anything by electing the guy who so happened to be at office

before the pandemic. i know we are scared, but we need to harness that fear and turn it into a force of nature and save our country. we need to demand that we have no more chaos, that we are seen out of the republican house and essentially, what we will do, if donald trump becomes the d president of the united states, it will be chaos times three because if he ends up becoming president, the chances of him actually getting in the senate are higher, as well and the chances of maintaining the house are high. it will be so bad for us because, if you listen to the debate, regardless of the performances, every time donald trump was asked about the s economy, he dodged the question. we know the economy is number one. he has no plan. he cares nothing about us, he

only cares about himself. >> you know, actress saroj ap henson hosted the b.e.t. awards this past weekend spoke out about the presidential election and project 2025. take a quick listen. >> this is not just about the presidential election, you guys. it is time for us to play chess, not checkers. it is about making decisions that will affect us. did you know it is now a crime to be homeless? pay attention. it's not a secret. look it up. they are attacking our most vulnerable citizens. the project 2025 plan is not a game. [applause] >> look it up! >> you know, congresswoman, people did look it up after that speech. the searches for that team project 2025, saw a spike. she also mentioned a recent skoda its decision that criticizes people sleeping outside at public places, in other words, criticizes being homeless. how important is it for rdthe american people to know more about project 2025? >> listen, interestingly enough, the orange one tweeted h about this or did truth or whatever he does. he recently addressed this and he is trying to distance

himself. if you google it, i promise you you will see i have asked several people that are authors of project 2025 about this. i remember one of my hearings where the witness was smug as smug can be as i was asking him questions but he answered truthfully. this is their plan. . obviously, if you have been paying attention, you know the plan is already absolutely at play. >> congresswoman jasmine crockett, thank you for joining us this morning and i hope you feel better. >> thank you. still to come on "the katie phang show", it is biden or bust. president biden says he is at it to win it. telling george stephanopoulos on abc news he is still the one to beat donald trump at november. keep it right here. ld right her r-o-l-a-i-d-s spells relief.

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♪♪ for the last week, the media has been portraying democrats in crisis mot, trying to figure out a path to victory after the first presidential debate but with all the attention being given to joe biden, very little scrutiny have been given to the real issues that should have been discussed at the podium and even less attention has been paid to donald trump's firehose of lives and the

>> lies and promises to destroy democracy. donald trump promised donors he will ensure a 16 week national abortion ban and publicly promised to begin the largest domestic deportation operation at american history. he will reinstate his muslim travel ban and expand it to include gazan refugees and use the military to address domestic line, eliminate the department of education, rollback dozens of biden's climate and gun control measures, and not the federal law stating there are only two genders, repeal the affordable air act -- affordable care act, charter 10 new freedom cities that include lion cars, yes, flying cars, yes, and, of course, he promises to finish building the wall. joining me now is danielle moodie, host of the "woke af daily" podcast and the daily beast's new abnormal podcast and political analyst, yesterday donald trump tried to backpedal from any association with project 2025 on his social media platform.

he said, quote, i know nothing about project 2025. i have no idea who is behind it. i disagree with some of the things they are saying is some of the things they are saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. anything they do i wish them luck, but i have nothing to do with them. his super pac, donald trump's super pac running ads promoting project 2025 calling it trump's project 2025, the leader the heritage foundation says trump gets full credit for creating project 2025 and will enact it if he wins. shouldn't democrats and the media be spending more time talking about real threats like

project 2025? yes, katie, that is why i am so appreciative of you. instead of us spending so much time focusing on joe biden's eight, focusing on a debate, we are not focusing on the big picture here which is that at four months' time, american democracy, as we know it, could be finished, right? at four months' time. donald trump is talking about got in the department of education, rolling back climate change initiatives. right now in parts of the country we are seeing 120 degree temperatures but he was to roll back climate change. new policies, we need to be focusing on what is important, which is that this country is at danger if republicans get hold of the executive branch. following the supreme court's ruling, donald trump will never leave. we need to understand what that means. >> susan, you wrote a great piece, as always, for msnbc online as how president biden's explosive interview with george stephanopoulos was going to be. i listened to it, i watched it, i read the transcript of it, it seemed to make, again, this is with all respect to george, but it seemed like there was one issue, one issue only, whether biden was okay competently to be president. i don't think that should have been the point of the interview. i concede some question should have been posed to president biden but noting trump

declined to sit down with a one- on-one with george stephanopoulos, why such a focus on that? why such a focus on that issue? >> well, i understand your point and danielle's point and how they should be focusing on the media and donald trump at this is the way it has always been when it came to covering donald trump, the lies persist and, you know, the debate performance, it was not a singular 90 minutes that had america really concerned about president biden's help, it was a confirmation of the concern that people have had through the last several years, especially the last year. we see it in the polling, we have seen it in the stories. the whole purpose and the reason why biden agreed to do this interview was to put people to rest on that singular issue on the debate. it was not a wide ranging debate of just how things are going. president biden has refused to do those types of debates, most famously the super bowl interview. i should not say debates before but interviews. this was the whole purpose was to address those concerns,

which had been raised at the highest level at our government. you know, we have a lot of people at government who works with the president. this is a legitimate concern. biden did nothing to help himself with that interview. as a matter of fact, i think he is worse off and i will believe we will keep hearing them talk about that and i would much rather hear how project 2025 is a threat to our democracy and how bad donald trump is but he has been bad for years. his numbers are still where they are. this country is divided. we have to make sure, you know, someone like me, who is a republican and for right-leaning independents, i don't have the luxury of liking who the democratic candidate is. i wish i could. it doesn't matter if i do or i don't. i have to vote for that candidate because i have to prevent donald trump or being

at office. you know, you could hear from the republicans we have no say on what the democrats do is first choosing their candidate but joe biden is not doing himself any favors and the cries will continue to grow. you don't like that narrative, i get it, but it is not changing. >> you know, danielle, i want to come to you, i respect susan always and susan's opinion, but i have a couple of issues i want to talk to you, danielle, about. one, i feel like this is just a hammer looking for a nailed, this is confirmation bias here. from susan's point about republicans not having a say

and really not caring what happens in terms of liking who the democratic nominee is, it reflects the normalization on the republican side of trump's bad behavior and the criminal conduct by donald trump. i have asked this question before and i wonder why the democrats are taking a page out of the gop playbook and circling the wagons around joe biden. they do it around donald trump, who is not worthy of it and never owned it but they won't do it for joe biden. >> this is what democrats consistently do. i don't understand it, either. yes, joe biden had a bad debate. he had a bad moment. i get it. when you look at the course of his record over the last four years and the kind of economy he inherited, the covid-19 crisis he inherited, we have to remember when joe biden came into office, over 500,000

americans had died because donald trump could not be bothered to tell them to put a mask on and could not be bothered to tell them to take care of themselves and their neighbors. instead, he further divided this country. we do have a conversation about that, right? we don't have a conversation about joe biden's job numbers and how he did not add to the deficit in the way donald trump did and put us nearly into a recession, right? we don't have that conversation, either. this is the same thing the media did with hillary clinton which he had the flu. it was all eyes on hillary clinton, she is unfit, she is unwell. this is what we did at 2016. donald trump is an existential threat to this country and our democracy. he is telling us out loud every single day what he plans to do. project 2025 is not a hypothetical. it is a blueprint on how to reimagine this country because of white nationalist, right? instead of circling the wagons and protecting our democracy and our president and its ticket, the media wants to focus on whether or not joe biden can stand up for 90 minutes. i would like to focus on the fact donald trump, every time he opens up his mouth is using white supremacist' talking points and had the supreme court and hundreds of others on my. when he gets into the executive see, all bets are off. that is what the american people need to be paying attention to. what kind of country do you want, right? i imagine the people surrounding biden are not on

their way to jail or indicted in the way donald trump's entire team has been. >> you speak the truth. i am sorry, i am out of town i am sorry i am out of time, susan. i want to continue this conversation. >> just one thing. i agree with everything danielle said. i just wish the democrats would stop talking about it. nancy pelosi saying, was this a condition or episode, that leads the media to follow. sorry, it just is. >> to be clear, i am probably making my producer angry right now, they're telling me i need to wrap it but because we talk about it, i want to be clear, i am talking about it on my show because i think it is important to acknowledge why it has been a disservice but i agree with you, danielle and susan del percio, we move on to project 2025 and the last thing i will do is this, president biden said in the interview last

night, it is about the character of the president. the character of the president will determine if the constitution is employed in the right way. if you believe at that, that is not donald trump. thank you both for being here. i appreciate it. meteorologist warren tropical storm barrel could become a hurricane before making fall in texas. judge aileen cannon's new order from this morning staying new deadlines in trump's document case and the latest on trump's bid to get her to dismiss the case altogether is next. next. left and right. and so did our business needs. the chase ink card made it easy. when you go for something big like this, your kids see that. and they believe they can do the same. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card from chase for business. make more of what's yours.

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decision from just this past monday. it feels like it was longer ago, i get you. joining me now is glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and author on the msnbc network and podcast. judge cannon saying, i will agree with you, donald trump, and temporally stay important deadlines. your thoughts? >> you know, katie, so much to dislike both at form and at substance about this one. i think what i want to start with is just two short lines from the motion that donald trump's lawyer filed yesterday. yesterday. we will talk about just how quickly judge cannon acted when her actions will be to the benefit of donald trump. here is what they say at the opening paragraphs of yesterday's court filing. quote, president biden's exceedingly weak debate to formants, president biden's failing attempt to communicate with the voters, katie, i was a

federal prosecutor for 30 years and i have never seen language like that in a court filing from a defense attorney or prosecutor. any self-respecting judge would consider ordering it stricken from the motion and then issuing a show cause order, directing the attorney who authored it to show cause why they shouldn't be sanctioned for turning a court filing into a campaign ad. that is the first observation. the second is, think back to may, when jack smith's special counsel filed a motion asking judge cannon to modify donald trump's conditions of release to stop him from saying and posting things that were endangering law enforcement? she has yet to act on that. yet, within 24 hours of donald trump's attorneys asking her to

do something, she could not jump on it quickly enough and entered an order, basically taking a train that was already stopped dead in its tracks, and, you know, putting it in reverse. she is moving away from a trial date rather than toward a trial date. >> i envision her putting a boot on the wheels of that train. stay on judge cannone but in a peripheral way, kind of, that concurrence from justice thomas at the immunity decision is something i have been harping on for days. a lot of people have not been talking about its. justice thomas has this random concurrence at that opinion where he criticizes the validity of the appointment of special counsel jack smith. we were just at court on that two weeks ago, not even, for trump's motion to dismiss because of the invalid appointment of special counsel jack smith and now they are filing with that supreme court decision in support of this

decision of jack smith being appointed special counsel. >> yeah. when judge cannone was assigned to the case, just rode off the possibility of trump being convicted for the stolen documents altogether. she has behaved, throughout this process, as if she is a member of trump's defense team. i think what is worrisome about the supreme court's immunity case and what is word about thomas's even radical concurrence in that case, is that it suggests that maybe the justices are not that different from eileen cannon, they are just better at picking their spots, instead of haphazardly doing everything they can do to possibly benefit donald trump, they just sneak at where it really matters and give him immunity or in thomas' case, claim that the special prosecutor and prosecution is unconstitutional. it is worrisome. i mean, we are going into, you know, a very difficult election. if trump wins, we could be going into a very difficult presidency. the courts, from aileen cannon, all the way to the bakehouse at

the supreme court, seem to be signaling they have no interest at raining at donald trump. >> you know, donald trump alleging in his motion for relief et cetera is that the doj is violating its own 60 day rule or that the doj will not avoid the appearance of election interference. you talk about inappropriate language, i talk about bad faith legal arguments. trump was indicted last august 2023 at this case. >> yeah, you know, the role i think has some wisdom behind it, that the department of justice will take no overt enforcement action of two an election, like 60 days out from an election. for example, you would not execute a search warrant as part of an investigation for someone running for senate in the week before the election. that is fraught with peril, even if it is appropriate from a law enforcement perspective.

this is different, katie, as you well know. long ago mary garland said once charges have been brought, once a grand jury has indicted the defendant, in this case, donald trump, the case is now in the court's jurisdiction and it is in the court's purview to continue moving it forward toward a trial. what was the department of justice supposed to do? dismiss it because donald trump would love to retake the reins of presidential power so he could, you know, flex his absolute presidential immunity muscle? let's be clear. we have an imperial supreme court that just said presidents are also imperial, they are monarch lake and they now have the power of lawlessness with impunity and immunity. if that is in concerning and if that doesn't get people up and out to the polls, together with everything else, i don't know what will. >> ian, quickly, i wanted to ask you about a component of

the scotus decision, you are not permitted, jurors or courts, are not permitted to look into the motives, the intent of the president, in the decision in the crime he or she commits. i have a problem reconciling that with the idea of specific intent. you have to have specific intent to commit a crime. it can't be an accident when it happens. how is it, then, then an expansion of this absolute criminal immunity when it comes to core presidential powers, when donald trump can speak to his doj officials with corrupt and criminal intent to try to illegally overturn the results of an election but now, before judge tanya chutkan, the doj and other prosecutions are now hobbled or hampered because you can't look at the motives of

why the president did what he or she did? >> it shows you how broad the trump immunity decision was. it said, for example, pretty much any conversation the president has with their subordinates can be the subject of a prosecution so with the president were to say, to tell his attorney general to arrest his political rivals, it is pretty clear nothing can be done about that. it also says that even though the president can't be prosecuted for stuff he does that doesn't involve his official conduct at office, you can't bring in evidence of what he did as president at order to prosecute. some of those statements are very vague, but it is just not clear to me what can be done about trump at all. a lot of the stolen documents were produced during the course of his presidency. does that mean they are immune? i don't know. it is such a confusing and very sweeping decision. >> we can thank the super majority scotus conservatives

for that. ian millhiser and glenn kirschner, i love both of your voices because justice matters. thanks for being here. >> thank you, katie. >> don't forget, you can get the best of msnbc and sent straight to your inbox every day. each morning you will find expert analysis and highlights on your favorite shows, including my latest piece on the karen read trial at massachusetts and why the prosecution should rethink trying the case. you can also catch original podcast and written perspectives from some the biggest news makers. scan the qr code on your screen them to sign up. coming up next on "the katie phang show", the latest on the american "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich and what we know about his secret trial reportedly under way in russia and the unsubstantiated espionage charges against him. keep it right here. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ what will you do when the power goes out? power outages can be unpredictable

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♪♪ today marks 465 days that american journalist evan gershkovich has been detained in a russian prison. his trial being held at secret is under way. gershkovich has been charged with espionage and faces 20 years in a russian prison, if he is convicted. he is also facing a court

system that has an acquittal rate of less than 1%. united nations human rights experts say russia has violated international law when it detained evan and there was a quote, striking lack of any factual or legal substantiation for the spying charges. join me now is michael mcfall, ambassador to the russia 's federation and national affairs analyst. ambassador, it is always an honor to have you on my show. 465 days, sir, in a russian prison. at this point, how is the united states going to get evan gershkovich back home? >> i honestly don't know. this is a horrible case. obviously, there is no evidence to support the charges. he will be convicted, eventually, i have no doubt about that. you just cited the numbers. now, that would create the window for some type of trade after his conviction. it won't happen before. this is very difficult.

we don't have russians at detention at the united states to trade, number one. number two, the guy that putin has hinted he wants to trade, he is an assassin who went and killed somebody in germany and sits at jail at germany as a result of that. putin, in an interview with tucker carlson, hinted that is a person he wants to get out but he is held at germany but not the united states so that makes that even more difficult. >> one of donald trump's many absurd statements during the debate, he said he would have that reporter out. he did not refer to evan by name and more importantly, he did not offer any real plan on how he would achieve this promise. if donald trump could bring evan home right now, why hasn't he done so? >> that is exactly the point, he does not have to wait to be

elected president. he should call vladimir putin today, get evan out of jail and prove to the world this deep, personal relationship he has cultivated with putin for years, including the four years of his presidency, could lead to tangible results for american people. so far, i have watched it closely, all i have seen his praise for putin and no tangible resource -- results that are good for the prosperity or values of the american people. if he has this ability to do things with putin, he could call him right now i think it would be good for his presidential campaign. i am not expecting it, but he should do it now, not wait until after the election. >> talk about, ambassador, how important it is for the right person to be at the oval office when it comes to international relations, when it comes to what is going on globally and the risk that it poses to american democracy. >> well, i think two or three things. first, we need a leader who values allies to deal with the

big challenges that countries like china and russia face for the united states. president biden has cultivated that. next week in washington, you will see the nato alliance stronger and more united than ever before. number two, at my view, we need a leader that supports democracies, not autocracies. what is striking about the michael mcfaul era, for the first time at american history, you had a leader in the white house that had better relationships with dictators like putin and kim jong un at north korea that he did with democratic allies with japan, south korea and the rest of europe. third, you need a leader that believes in engaging in the world as a way to make america better off, rather than pretending that the problems of the world won't come back to haunt them. trump was an isolationist. we know that did not work in

the 1930s and i do not think it will work again. >> switching gears for just a minute, i do want to ask you about some of the news out of the united kingdom. there is a new prime minister in town, keir starmer, the labor party, he ousted conservative rishi sunak. what does that change mean just not for the united kingdom but for us here in america? >> the great news is it doesn't mean that much at all. he will attend the nato summit. the views between the conservatives and the labor party and let's put the other parties at england, by the way, with respect to the alliance, with respect to helping ukraine with economic and military

assistance is not going to change. that is, by the way, the way it used to be at the united states between democrats and republicans, encore national security interest, encore foreign-policy interests, we did not have big disagreements and big shifts because we understood standing with our allies, standing up to dictators was in america's interest, not democratic or republican interest. surprisingly, it won't matter that much but i think it is a good lesson for americans to learn while the stakes at our election are so high. at our election, there will be radical changes at foreign- policy that i think are not at the interest of the american people. >> ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you for joining me. i really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. coming up next, stronger storms . scientists are already predicting a huge hurricane season this year as hurricane beryl, which has been downgraded right now to a tropical storm, earns the early distinction of being the strongest storm ever report at july. we will explain what is supercharging this extreme weather can why we should get used to it, sadly, as the new normal. that is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package. yes, a free shower package! and if you call today, you'll also receive 15% off your entire order.

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♪♪ right now, locals in texas are bracing for impact as tropical storm beryl is on a path to make landfall there by the end of the weekend. although beryl's winds and rain have weakened over the last week, the national hurricane center forecasts that beryl will pick up in intensity and return to hurricane strength as it approaches the lone star state.

beryl has already left, deadly path of destruction and flattening caribbean island nations with at least nine storm -related deaths reported so far. joining me now is dr. michael mann, senior professor of urban and environmental science at the university of pennsylvania and director of the penn date center for science and on the new climate board, the fight to take back our planet. it is good to see you. the storm, beryl, set a number of records due to being an extreme hurricane so early in the season. how do you account for the strong storm arriving so soon? >> thanks, katie, it is good to be with you. there are number of things we saw what beryl that are indicative about very warm ocean temperatures caused by human caused warming and have intensified extremely rapidly. it went from a minor tropical disturbance to a hurricane within 24 hours. and then at another 24 hours was a major hurricane, a category hurricane, a category

4, soon to become the biggest category 5 hurricane at history. very warm ocean temperatures, the heat at the upper ocean is what intensifies these storms. the warmer the waters and the deeper those warm waters, the faster intensification you get. that is really the problem. when the storms intensify this rapidly, it is very difficult to know what to prepare for. >> dr. mann, our infrastructure, our current infrastructure is not built to withstand these current weather and is. there is a domino effect, the atmosphere holds formal water so drier lan conditions, we have more wildfires in the smoke from the wildfires affect our air quality and that affects our health. i live through a cat 5 hurricane, hurricane andrew in 1992. the state of florida never really came back from that. there are also financial consequences of climate change, rebuild and repair. dr. mann, tell viewers why it isn't just hot when there for the summer and there are very real domino effect consequences that happen from climate change issues. >> yeah, often they have

compound effects. a tropical storm becomes a hurricane. that demands we bring resources to bear emergency responders need to deal with the crisis but we have other crises. we have wildfires out west. we have extreme flooding at the midwest, extreme heat around the rest of the country. so it is really taxing our resources. it is taxing your ability to contend with these simultaneous disasters. and, of course, the lost lives, extreme heat is sometimes called a silent killer because it is not as dramatic as some ways, you know, some means of mortality, but it has a higher toll. it takes a higher toll than just any other weather-related phenomenon. what we are seeing with loss of

life, we are seeing massive loss of property. this storm will cost us billions of dollars. we hear from the critics, it will be too expensive to do something about climate change. no. it is too expensive not to do something about climate change. >> dr. mann, here on the "the katie phang show", we want to educate and be a solution based place. is there anything that can be done to reverse this trend of more frequent, powerful storms or is this just the new normal? >> well, the new normal is the best case scenario. we can prevent things from getting worse if we reduce carbon emissions dramatically. we do have the adaptive capacity to deal with things the way they are. if we let them get much worse, that would really challenge our adaptive capacity. we have to stop the warming of the planet behind these events. the way we do that, that is by reducing carbon emissions.

the way we can make a real difference, this is an election year. the next election will determine the course of climate action at the united states and for the rest of the world because the u.s. has a dictatorship and we could have have a more stark choice before us. on the one hand, the candidate at donald trump who denies that climate change exists and will turn over our government to polluters. on the other hand, joe biden, a president who has shown real commitment to engaging with the rest of the world that we can tackle this existential problem. people need to turn out to vote for politicians who will support action rather than politicians who were simply supporting the polluting interest. >> dr. michael mann, as always, thank you for being here and making us smarter. i appreciate it. thanks to all of you for joining me today. you can catch me back here et cetera at noon eastern. follow us on social media and you can catch clips of the show on youtube and you can listen to every episode of "the katie phang show" as a podcast for free. scan the qr code on your screen now to follow. please, don't go anywhere. tran one "alex witt reports"

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