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ayman, defiance. the president vowing to stay in the race as more democrats call on him to drop out. filmmaker michael mar is here. plus another appointee quits over the israel hamas war. the former deputy assistant at the department of the interior is also here. and she stood in solidarity with her students and florida republicans put a target on her back. amy tenhoff rio fa back and joins me live. i am ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. last night, president biden tried to allay fears about his candidacy in an exclusive interview with george stephanopoulos. take a look. >> i was exhausted. i didn't listen to my instincts in terms of preparing and i had

a bad night. i convinced myself of two things. i'm the most qualified person to beat him. i know how to get things done. >> if you can be convinced you cannot be donald trump, will you stand down? >> if the lord almighty tells me that i might do that. >> if you stay in and everything you are warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in january? >> i feel as long as i did my all and did as good a job as i know i can do. >> as long as i give it a my all. i'm sorry to say this but this is not a pickup basketball game. the interview does not seem to be quelling democratic fears of biden losing to trump. in fact, angie craig became the first battleground house democrat to call on president biden to withdraw from the race, joining for other house democrats.

meanwhile senator mark wormer -- mark warner is assembling democrats to ask president biden to exit the race on fears he is headed for a defeat. senator warner's spokesperson did not deny the report. even more troubling for president biden, his normally tight ship is springing media leaks seemingly every hour. nbc news is reporting on a growing feud in biden world between his family and senior staff. one source told nbc news that it is, quote, shakespearean, and it goes on to point out the finger-pointing and score settling as the biden family attempts to get more involved in white house and campaign affairs. this dramatic turn in the race, biden's refusal to listen to anyone but the almighty, all started with president biden's disastrous debate performance, but should it have taken that long for elite democrats and mainstream media to see the warning signs? they had been blinking bright red since before the debate,

most notably on israel and gaza. countless voices from within the administration . and outsid have warned to change course. se they've questioned biden's judgment, his humanity and regularly being emasculated by prime minister benjamin netanyahu. time and time again those voices have been shut out, dismissed and met with white house intransigence. josh paul became the first biden administration official to withdrawal over what he called blind support for israel, which countered american interests and would go on to lead to the devastation of gaza. at least 11 more officials have publicly resigned over gaza. many of them appearing on this program to issue their warnings. but it is not just government officials. in january more than 1000 black pastors representing hundreds of thousands of congregants demanding the biden white house push for a cease-fire. they also warned that policies

on israel could cost his reelection bid. again, that was way back in january and of course the loudest voices of dissent have come from millions of americans, many of them young and people of color, taking to the streets and forming a movement or setting up encampments on the campuses, all calling for the biden administration to stop funding what the international court of justice has called a possible e genocide. regarding the sols -- calls for cease-fire, biden responding stubbornly. here he was in november. >> no possibility. >> after months of pressure and tens of thousands more deaths, he started to change his tune. but did this february promise, ice cream cone in hand, inspire any confidence? >> my national security advisor tells me we are close. s we are close. we are not done yet. my hope is by next monday we will have a cease-fire. >> my hope is by next monday we

will have a cease-fire was back in february. we are now in july. from his redline in rafah getting trampled by israel to sharing misinformation about october 7 that his white house would later have to walk back, president biden's behavior surrounding the war over the past nine months has given us a small but important window into his questionable judgment, which we saw on the debate stage june 27 and his inflexibility. his unwillingness to budge or heed to calls from trusted t allies that we have seen since that night. just like his stubborn support of israel, he is now meeting calls for a graceful exit with more stubbornness, bordering on denial. academy award-winning filmmaker michael moore is not only calling on president biden to drop out of the race. in a july 4 essay he writes it is time for biden to step down and vice president kamala harris to take the reins. t he is also host of the rumble

with michael moore podcast and he joins me now. it is good to have you back on the show. you have harsh words in this piece that you wrote. not as much directed at biden, but at those around him. explain why you see it that way. >> well, thanks for having me on. the first thing i want to say is i have been sitting in the green room, the virtual greenroom here at msnbc and the lord almighty is actually back there sitting in the room and he will not tell us anything about what is going on. he has only weirdly concerned with the slump that the yankees have been in for the last month. i am like, lord, biden just said last night, you are the decider. you decide if he stays or goes and he's like, leave me out of this. you want me to walk on water, i can do that. you want me to turn a bunch of loaves of bread and fish into

feeding thousands, i can do that, but don't ask me to get involved in this crazy election. listen, yes, i need to start by saying and of course i've been very critical of president biden, especially since october withnc the war. i'm very disappointed. but this individual has been the most progressive president that we have had in my lifetime. 3 1/2 years. just look at the record. i hope i don't need to go over it. what he has done to stand up for how we got us through covid. he got us through covid by using science and vaccines. cc he removed and i said this back in the green room, he removed the devil in 2020. just go down the list. the problem is i think there is a form of elder abuse going on here where the democratic party

and the people that are part of the apparatus, pushing and pushing and pushing to stay and then he comes out and says i'm staying and the family says i'm staying and i don't know about you, ayman, but in spite of my criticisms about gaza with biden, watching the debate a week ago is heartbreaking. it was like, imagine it was your father up there. i'm thinking, why isn't anybody doing anything? why did they let him go on the stage in this condition? who is looking out for him? who is looking out for him right now? you know, george asked those questions last night and he had to ask three or four times. will you just get a check out, a medical evaluation, a neurologist? something doesn't seem right and we are not doctors, but each of us, all of you watching this right now have had or have in

your life for grandparents and two parents. you have step parents. we all have seen the decline of the people we love as they get older. it is normal. it happens. that is not to say that somebody shouldn't be able to be president at 81. i don't believe that. look at ben franklin. look at all the people throughout our history that did quite well into their 80s. nancy pelosi is older than biden. so clearly this is not an ageist attitude. something was wrong that night. we all saw it. we can't un-see it and as richard pryor and before that chico marx said, who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes? my eyes were implying and yours want either. >> it is an important point that you bring up because i think there is another elephant in the room and in all of the

calls we have seen for president biden to step aside, the issue of what is happening or has been happening in gaza has not been mentioned. has taken a backseat, but you address to this. you addressed gaza in your peace and should biden's decision on gaza have been a warning sign about him long before his bad debate performance? which is something i was looking at as well, saying there is something off in the decision-making here if you are seeing what is happening across america and still being intransigent and pursuing the same policy with no change of course. >> i've been saying in the last weekend i said on this network that there is a real problem now and i don't think we understand what the problem is. not only losing young people. the thing about young people is they don't like war. they don't like any war, probably because they are the ones that have to go fight the war, so they are generally against the war to begin with. but i come from a state,

michigan, where there are 200 to 300,000 voters who are either of arabic descent or muslim. 200,000 to 300,000 arab or muslim voters. they took a poll the last week of october when the real attack and slaughter started on the part of netanyahu in gaza and that showed, they did this with four states with an arab population. michigan, florida, pennsylvania. and it said that biden got about 60% of the arab vote in 2000. as of the last week of october, that had dropped to, people were saying for the november election coming up, less than 20% of arab-americans will vote for biden this time. i was the end of october. they did another at the end of may, a month and a half ago. same number.

less than 20%. you cannot have in the state of michigan 300,000 voters that are arab or muslim and they are telling you, not only that, vast numbers of them are saying that they are not even going to vote. the funny thing about trump's numbers with arab-american voters in the same pole, he got one third of the arab-american vote in 2020, trump. today, by this poll in may he is still at one third. he has not gone up or down, but the fact that biden is not going to get and people will stay home and young people recently said, 12% of them, they are going to vote, but they are not going to vote on the top line for president. in michigan in 2016, this is the year that trump on michigan by two votes per precinct over hillary and in 2016 there were

75,000 michiganders who actually showed up to vote, but refused to vote on the top line and they were mostly people in democratic precincts. they didn't want to vote for hillary. hillary lost michigan by 10,000 votes. >> you make a compelling point about the politics of this, which is something joe biden prided himself on being, an astute politician. someone who says with his age he has learned over decades of experience that you have to be an astute politician to thread the needle and pick up the swing states. politico reported that gretchen whitmer warned the white house that the critical swing state is no longer winnable. as soon as that was reported wimmer's team denied it and said biden would win michigan and of course i go back to you just saying this, but you warned famously in 2016 that trump was going to win the

white house by winning michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania., should the alarm bells be going off in the white house politically speaking? forget the argument about age rg and about gaza -- >> it is a moral argument about gaza. >> forget the moral argument, i'm talking politically. >> yes, this is so bizarre and governor whitmer, i don't know why she went to bat. sh maybe she feels differently, i don't know, but it is how most people who follow politics in michigan believe, that it is almost unwinnable now. michelle goldberg in a column three months ago, the headline was lose michigan, lose the election. she spent a number of days in the detroit area, in dearborn, while talking to a lot of arab- americans in michigan and it was clear to her, very clear that this is a lost state for biden. that didn't have to be that way. he won by over 100,000 votes in michigan in 2020. the fact that he would possibly

lose this number of arab and muslim votes and young people. young people did the same thing on the campuses in michigan. the difference between michigan and columbia or ucla is governor whitmer didn't send in the state police to beat up students. didn't tear the tents down. eventually it went to court. eventually it had to come down, but not until pretty much the school year was over, but that is michigan. she knows and this is weird d about biden. any politician's mind, what is their number one job? get reelected. no matter what. and the fact that he would decide to hug netanyahu, to go there and tell him as the tape just showed in november. people want to cease-fire,

that's it. he goes, no. this has i think really rattled people in my state and why he would purposely do this -- is another sign that something isn't quite right here? because his political instincts are off and i don't know. i think that we are in a lot of trouble now. if you asked me a year ago this week if i were on your show then and how do i think michigan will go? i would say not only do i think this about michigan, i think biden is going to get reelected. i don't care where the polls are at. i just think that trump lost by not just the lead to biden. you have to throw in the third- party voters. 10 million americans said we don't want trump. for trump to win this time that means he has to convince at least 5 million of them to n switch their votes.

that ain't happening. or convince them to stay home. well now after the debate, after what he has done in palestine, now there is a problem and i would not say to you that this is a sure bet that trump is not going to get back in the white house and my personal, number d one job is to stop trump, to make sure he doesn't come back to the white house. we are in deep trouble if that happens. >> i want to squeeze in a quick break and we will talk about how to do that after the break. michael moore, stay with us, please. if you're living with hiv, imagine being good to go without daily hiv pills. good to go off the grid. good to go nonstop. with cabenuva, there's no pausing for daily hiv pills.

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back with me again is michael moore. i will pick up on a point i wanted to raise. the sound point i played earlier with joe biden talking about the stakes of the election in 2024 when george stephanopoulos basically asked him what do you say if donald trump wins and everything you have been warning about comes to fruition? he said, well, i did my best. i did my goodest actually. i give it my all. >> i swear, that sounds like, i had a colonoscopy a few months ago and they put you out and as you are coming back from 10 i looked at the doctrines that i will come back, right? he said, well, i'm going to do my best. i'm going to give it my all.

i am like, what? a month later i go to my nieces wedding. i always say hi to the pilots. stick my head in. how's it going in there? i stick my head in and the pilot says well, i will give it my best shot to get us there. no. no. you don't say something like that when you are the president of the united states. there is more at stake than to say i will feel like i gave it my all. by the way, the colonoscopy doctor and the pilot -- i just think msnbc every now and then should be a moment of comedy. no, but i am serious, though. >> i know and listen, that is why we highlighted it, because it was also a moment that i thought was a little bit beneath the moment we are in in this crisis. you have project 2025. you have fascism at the doorstep of america. it's not about giving your all.

it is about making sure this country survives every possible chance that you have and it is why i am worried about him. it is why i am worried that our country right now at the doorstep of what we are experiencing with donald trump is not taking that seriously and the low approval ratings for president biden. you also have a challenge for others. what use diaz the right way to go forward? is it kamala harris who gets elevated to the ticket? should she be the nominee? should this be settled quickly or go to an open convention? >> no, this has to be settled in the next week. this can't go on any longer. there are less than four months to election day. we need every day in the next 120 days. every day, all of us doing our job to make sure trump is not in the oval office. there is no messing around with this. this decision has to be made. all george asked him last night

to do, was would you just have a neurological test? i can't believe that this week has gone by and this hasn't been demanded by congress, by the majority of americans. i am not calling necessarily biden. i'm not a doctor. i'm not saying you have to step down because you are not right. leno as i watched the debate. something was wrong. i have had grandparents. everybody watched knows what i'm talking about and there is something. there has been a diminished capacity. please, white house, campaign staff, please get him to the doctor. i would prefer actually a team of independent doctors. not the one that works for him at walter reed, the army hospital. he is the commander-in-chief. he's the boss. we need independent doctors or a doctor that is going to do a neurological exam. a full medical evaluation.

why don't they do that? if it is all good it will put to rest so much of this and you can say he had a bad night, but they are not doing that and why are they risking our country? this election is not just about i think biden did a great job, so i have to stay behind him because he marched with auto workers in detroit where the strike was. no, you did a lot of good things, president biden. you will never be forgotten. if you have to step down, the most american thing you can do, and the founders were so smart. they knew presidents wouldn't make it for four years, so they set up the office of the vice president specifically for this and by the way we have only had 45 presidents before biden. nine of them, 20%, have not made it to the end of their term. that is a lot. it happens, but we are used to it happening and there has always been a peaceful transition of power. if he does have to step down he

should step down. it is a heroic thing to do. it is a selfless act, because he is a selfless person and then kamala harris will be the incumbent president. let's give her for four months so we can all be behind her. help her get this going. you showed a poll, somebody a couple days ago from last week that showed what if it was biden versus trump, whatever it was. trump was ahead at that point by three points. then it had the question, what if it was harris versus trump? it was the same three points. it did not go down with biden off the ticket. it was the same for harris and then others were at four points or whatever. there were two candidates with only a two point difference between them and trump and that was gretchen whitmer of michigan and cory booker of new jersey. two points. >> let me ask you finally and we are almost out of time, michael --

>> i'm sorry. >> not at all. it is not just trump that has americans concerned. you also have the heritage foundation that put together this project 2025. you think democrats have done a good job of warning people about the stakes of project 2025 specifically ahead of the election? >> no, but your network has. thank you for that. it is 900 pages, so i don't expect many people are going to read it, but just leafed through it and it is a frightening document of what they are planning to do and trump says i don't know anything about this, which may be slightly true. ultimately for him it is not whatever the policymakers are writing. it is about his desire for revenge and his belief in an america that we don't believe in. not his america. so yes i think that it is a critical thing. i am worried that nobody is going to take president biden

to the doctor. that we go so far i think right now and if that is not the case, i think, look. one of the things he will be remembered for is he gave us our first woman in the oval office. another great example of his values, of who he is. the foresight he had in picking her, so if that is where we end up. not only not the end of the world, trump is diff eatable. you've got to ask the 10 million who didn't vote for him four years ago, they changed their mind. no they haven't. you have people on this network say they would vote for a dead cat over trump. they would vote weekend at bernie's, you know where they tried to keep bernie alive in the movie. and in missouri a few years

ago, do you remember this? the election for the senate race and the candidate died? nobody wanted the republican, john ashcroft. and so the dead guy one. the democrat. and the governor of missouri decided the only fair thing to do, if people wanted the dead guy over the all love -- the alive guy. he appointed his wife, his widow from missouri. so we have a history of voting for the dead guy over the bad guy. people, don't give up hope. do not despair. we are the majority. the republicans have only won the popular vote once since 1988. that is the last time. from 1988 to now, what is that? 36 years. i'm sorry for the math.

which should solve this problem. i'm just saying, democrats of 17 of the last eight elections by the popular vote. >> you would not know that by the way the supreme court makes decisions. we will talk a little bit about that later on. >> exactly. in 2018, we, the michigan voters, passed a constitutional amendment outlawing gerrymandering in michigan. it is the law now. michigan is a democratic state. every election the democrat, people voting democratic pull ahead of the republicans. and yet until the next election, the majority of members of congress from michigan have been republican. even though republicans have the minority vote. not anymore. that is not a democracy. >> let's hope we save democracy

for november. let's hope we save our democracy in november. i greatly appreciate you joining us and we had a great conversation as always. take care, michael. thank you so much. of next you will hear from the seventh biden administration staff or to resign over the israel hamas war. stay with us. .

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four years ago, maryam hassanein was eager to vote for now president joe biden and part of her eagerness was biden represented hope and even justice for muslims, arabs, and other marginalized communities. four years later she says the actions or inaction over the israel hamas war and dehumanization of arabs and muslims has made it clear she has no place in the biden administration. this week she publicly resigned, becoming the youngest government official to do so and the third political appointee overall. she is now part of a group of

at least a dozen government resign needs to publicly call out the biden administration support of military operations in gaza. many of them have appeared on this broadcast. this week they released a joint letter, urging the biden administration to change course. maryam hassanein joins me now. it is great to have you on the show. i want to start with this letter that you and several colleagues signed. in it you include policy proposals for the biden administration and a message for your colleagues working in government, encouraging them to step forward and speak out. for our viewers can you explain what you are urging the administration to do and the significance of posting this letter the week of july 4? >> thank you, first of all, for having me. really i believe that our joint statement is in the aim of showing where this current policy in regards to israel and palestine has gone wrong and

showing that there are far better approaches that the administration can take when it comes to alleviating the crisis and prioritizing the safety and well-being of palestinians and i think really, mainly, some of those approaches include upholding international law and not discrediting international courts who have called out israel and israeli leaders in carrying out these atrocities that we have seen. so really that is one thing and another is truthfully and meaningfully expanding humanitarian assistance. we've seen the administration and congress cut funding when it is really needed most and the significance of doing so, releasing the statement on july 4, is to show, or the week of

july 4, is to show that we really continue to be dedicated to service in this country and we really believe in the country and the administration's potential to uphold the values of justice and freedom when it comes to this crisis that we are seeing in palestine. >> did you at all try through whatever channels you could as a political appointee, expressed dissatisfaction or urge a change? i know there are many layers from where you are and where the decision-making is taking place, but walk us through the efforts you tried to do within the administration if you felt there was a place for people like you to express these concerns and demand change. >> among all of us resign needs,

there have been efforts to really make our voices heard on this and to advocate for palestinians and policy. i personally did not necessarily get the opportunities to make my voice heard through specific channels, but the state department, there are dissent cables of course and i attempted to really join in on open letters when possible and join in on other efforts that we, as a collective of federal employees have put forth. in order to commit to advocacy where possible. >> what do you think most americans do not know, just

from being on the inside of government, what is that the most americans do not know about why america is so strongly committed to israel in this war and the way it has been conducting this war, despite as you said, growing international concern, international courts, pressure from americans inside this country on college campuses and elsewhere? >> i think what we have seen is really just to this complete tied to anti-arab and islamic phobic sentiments that are very present within foreign policy. i think that is what is really driving a lot of this disregard for palestinian lives. we have seen more than 37,000 palestinians killed at the hands of israel and really i ink i would point to those sentiments that the administration is doing absolutely nothing to really

nip in the bud and do more in terms of condemning and instead of perpetuating these tropes, they are continuing to platform them themselves and allow others to platform them. so i think a lot of it is that and i think a lot of it is this complete commitment to, potentially, to foreign lobbying groups, right? i think that that has a lot to do with it as well. so i think that it is really a culmination of things. >> all right, maryam hassanein, thank you for joining us. i appreciate your time and insights this evening. >> thank you. next up, proof you can fight florida's war on woke and when. ng that. i tried other diets and they just didn't work

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let me start off by apologizing for mispronouncing your name. i appreciate you joining us and i hope to get it right going forward. let me start with your reaction to this judge ruling in your favor. after all of these threats, how does it feel to be vindicated at this point? >> it is an overwhelming emotion. there is a lot of relief. i am so thankful that truth was upheld and that affirming black students is our responsibility as educators, not something that should cost us our license. also there is a sense of grief for years of fighting and our students and our community having to go through this. >> as i mentioned you are not just targeted by parents. you had the state government going after you. i want to play a quick clip from the then education commissioner richard corcoran and what he said after you were

reassigned. >> duval county, which is jacksonville, because it was an entire classroom memorialized two black lives matter. we made sure she was terminated and now we are being sued by everyone of the little left groups for freedom of speech issues. >> what is it like to hear officials in that capacity, people in power all the way to the governor of florida, mischaracterize, lie, disparage and demean what you were doing? >> it was devastating. it changed my life forever, frankly. it was terrifying. at that time i was actually still employed and a state investigation was opened. soon after i spoke up about it, things changed. i do want to clarify there were no parent complaints. there was not a single parent

complaint. not a single student complaint. in fact, parents were very much vocal about wanting me in the classroom. there are a lot of things that are concerning. you know, we talk about parents rights and you have to ask yourself, what parents? i just saw again and again and again that the voices, the desires of black parents or their children were disregarded, over and over and over. and that is just not right and i think we have to take a good, hard look at our self in the mirror as a state and really think about why that is and how we fix it. >> why do you think this is happening? i guess broadly speaking now that you have been on the receiving end of this, how is it possible in this day and age that government agencies, the education system and certainly florida and the leader of

florida, would go after you in a way that is supposed to be having a chilling effect on the broader discourse in society, right? ron desantis was clear about this. he said this is where woke goes to die and the way they tried to portray this has something to do with that. i want to get your thoughts. what is your take away as to why florida is doing this to be below like -- to people like you and others? >> i spend time thinking about this question and what i can come up with is it is really concerning. people forget, 64% of public school students are students of color. affirming them as human beings, supporting their needs, is not woke. it is just basic humanity and it is a really scary place to be as a society. we would find something

controversial about simply saying, hey, you matter. we care and we are here for you. but that is where we are. >> let me go back to the point you are raising about the students. talk to me about the support you received from your students. i understand when you were reassigned they collected 18,000 signatures on a petition calling for your return. talk to me about how and what that felt like. >> like every teacher i have the best students in the world, it is that simple. i have amazing students that have achieved incredible things. prior to my removal, my students cofounded an organization where, with very little resources are funding and led by students facing all kinds of challenges from homelessness to incarcerated parents to murdered loved ones, decided to do something to

create positive change. they met president barack obama. they presented at harvard university. we have presented at the white house and given a ted talk. we've done all these things and instead of encourage students and applaud students, when it comes to black students in the state of florida, it is hard to talk about because i have thought about it so many different ways. the only thing i can say is that the level of racism are black students is up against, definitely in jacksonville, florida, definitely robert e lee high school where i was, but florida in general, is terrifying. any person with humanity or heart should be concerned and should be vocal. my students, because of what they lived, they knew how to mobilize. they knew how to use their voices and they knew before they had me as a teacher. i am really proud of them for standing up and speaking out

about what they believe is right. >> we thank you for everything you are doing and for standing up and leading this charge. amy donofrio, thank you for making time for us. thank you for joining us. a new hour of ayman starts after a quick break.