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why you should not believe trumps claims that you have nothing to do with [ inaudible ] plus the judge responding to his latest efforts to tussle the classified documents case. plus, when it comes to the worst of the week, we've had it. i am ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. democrats are not the only ones trying to manage a crisis this weekend trump allies are in complete panic mode over the public's growing awareness of project 2025, 900 page authoritarian second trump term blueprint to institutionalize trumpism that would rollback lgbtq rights, detain undocumented migrants and put them in camps, and stop government institutions like the doj with mega loyalist

another the public is becoming aware of this dystopian nightmare that donald trump is claiming ignorance about, posting on his social media quote, i know nothing about project 2025. i have no idea who is behind it. i disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they are saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. anything they do, i wish them luck, but i have nothing to do with them. chatter surrounding project 2025 increased this week when the architect of project 2025 went on tv and said this. >> process of the second american revolution which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be. >> a bloodless revolution. that was kevin roberts, president of the right-wing think tank, the heritage foundation, and trump should not them both. after all, this is the very same kevin roberts who took shook hands with trump when he

spoke at the heritage foundation conference in 2022. trump was also the keynote for the 2017 presidents club meeting where he spoke lovingly about the organization. it is no surprise that someone like trump would admire the heritage foundation. it has been a massive force in shaping republican policies and administrations for decades. back in the 80s, that helped shape and advance the reagan doctrine, the idea that americans should support insurgents resisting communist agony -- domination. reagan would later say the heritage foundation was a quote vital force, during his presidency. they also laid much of the ground work for george bush's administration including desert storm. in january of 2003 they called for the dismantling of the iraqi president saddam hussein's regime. george w bush would follow that advice two months later with the invasion of iraq so the idea that trump doesn't know what the heritage foundation is, and that it's people are responsible for mapping out policies for his administration is laughable, especially when several of his former white house officials like ben carson, peter navarro, ross

voigt are all involved with the organization. the director of project 2025 also worked for trump as a senior aide. even top trump allies like's national press secretary and stephen miller, his former senior adviser, both appeared in a september 2023 heritage video promoting project 2025. whether trump likes it or not, this authoritarian blueprint for america has been mainstreamed within the gop and you would think democrats would be doing everything in the power to expose it, so have they been? a little slow to the game. just hours before biden's debate with trump this week, his campaign launched a website

targeting project 2025 but biden did not mention it at all later that night during the debate, nor has he mentioned it at the other two rallies he has held since then, including last night's interview with george stephanopoulos. it was not until today that biden put out a statement slamming project 2025, saying it should quote, scare every single american. meanwhile, vice president, harris, chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries have failed to sound the alarm on project 2025. ironically enough, trump has done the democrats' job for them. he thought he was doing himself a favor by distancing himself from project 2025 but has only succeeded in drawing more attention to this dystopian nightmare the gop has planned for our country. people are now starting to notice and that is why trump and the gop are panicking, and they have no one to blame but themselves. we have an all-star panel to break this down for us. joining me now are joe walsh, former republican congressman of illinois and host of the joe walsh podcast and [ inaudible ]. joe, i will start with you. walk us back for a moment. do we really buy project 2025 is too weak stream for trump or that he's trying to have his cake and eat it too by

distancing himself from it all the while knowing he's going to embrace it at every turn? >> good to be with you and my friend, tom. every time trump opens his mouth, he lies, so it's not a surprise that he says i've never heard of project 2025. in his defense, he may not understand it because he really doesn't understand much, but most importantly for america, project 2025 represents where my former political party is right now. plain and simple, it is a blueprint for where the republican party is. it is a blueprint for a party that has given up on democracy, and has embraced authoritarianism, and as you so rightly pointed out at the top,

democrats ought to be all over this. >> it seems i meantime, there is no way. first of all, we can all agree there is no way donald trump read the 900 pages. i don't even think you necessarily read the executive summary of project 2025, but i've got to ask you. we know this guy lies a lot, but do you think he shot himself in the foot by bringing more attention to it by trying to distance himself from it? >> you know, i doubt it, because his followers forgive him anything, and part of the reason that heritage is doing this is because they want the attention because they want to be thought of as the pointy end of the spear in this new conservative vanguard. in fairness to the old heritage that joe and i once knew many years ago, they were policy wonks. they were right-wing policy wonks, but they were wonks and now heritage is trying to come across is no, we are rambo's of phd's now. and so i think some of that is

they are happy to have that attention, and if they think trump has to distance himself a bit from some of the crazier stuff in there that he -- i think you and joe are absolutely right. he probably has no idea what is in it, then they are probably okay with that but i think there is a danger for them that the more people know about project 2025 beyond these cookie statements from the heritage president, the more people are going to say wow, is this really what we are in for because there is really a lot of stuff in there that would scare ordinary, decent americans. >> do you think, tom, that trump is just a useful vessel for project 2025? i think of project 2025 and the heritage foundation, because they are an institution with a long history, they know how to work the system. they know how to get think tank proposals in front of lawmakers, in front of politicians that for them they're looking at somebody like donald trump and say hey, this

is the guy. this is the moment. he is our vessel to be able to implement the sweeping revolution has kevin roberts called it, a bloodless revolution, if the left allows it. >> yes, i think donald trump is an empty vessel that a lot of people -- i mean, he is a big shark that a lot of policy people are going to try to stick to as he swims to the white house and trump is running for one reason only. revenge, and to stay out of jail. donald trump is never cared about policy. he doesn't understand it. he doesn't commit to it. he will do -- he will do whatever it takes to get into the white house and slide into home base safe. a lot of people are going to try to hitch a ride on that and use him as a vessel for a lot of crazy ideals but he will sign off on it because he could not care less and once he is in the white house, his goal has already been accomplished.

>> one quick point. i agree with everything tom just said but we are talking about the heritage foundation. this is the republican party. the heritage foundation is just reflecting where the base of the party is, and the base of the party has embraced authoritarianism. project 2025 is a road map to put an authoritarian, a dictator, a king in the white house. if trump understands anything about it, he understands because trump loves dictators. he loves authoritarians. this is a blueprint for making the president of the united states and authoritarian. trump would love that, and republican voters want that. >> my issue with that is that do you think republican voters actually know they are going to get a dictator and authoritarian? i would argue that some of them

are asleep at the wheel. they may like trump for other reasons. they don't necessarily know -- i'm talking about his base, not the rest of us who live on earth one -- who know that he is an authoritarian in waiting and that things like the heritage foundation project 2025 are going to pave the way into taking our country down this road? i'm not sure most republican voters, i'm not talking about leaders or powerbrokers or power -- politicians know about it but voters. do you feel that republican voters want authoritarianism? >> yes. at a policy level, they may have it difficult time articulating that, but they have in america they believe in. they have an america they want back, right? when america was more white, when america was more christian. they have given up on the democratic process, being able to get them back that. this is what they tell me every day, so they want a strong man to get them back that america

that they believe in. >> fairpoint. tom, let's talk about the lack of messaging coming from notable democrats on this. as i mentioned, it has not been a central talking point for some of the key leaders for the white house or the administration. i went through the list of names that we have not heard from. it was only today that president biden released a statement. no mention of it in the debate or any interview since. why not shout it from the rooftops, when they first learned about it? why are they focusing on talking about past things trump says, the fact that he is a liar. we all know that stuff. why not talk about the threat of what trump is going to enable with project 2025? >> this is going to put me in a weird situation because i'm going to make a tiny defense of democratic messaging and spring off of something joe just brought up. to criticize project 2025 ends up sounding like juan curry. it ends up sounding like you are arguing about detailed policy, and people's eyes

rolled back in their heads. it does not help you to go out and say mr. and mrs. american, do you understand that donald trump is going to create a whole schedule f of civil service employees? no one understands what that means and i will come back to being a critic of that messaging to say the heritage foundation has a plot to turn every government employee of any consequence into a personal appointee of donald trump. that means any but you call in federal service of any significance is going to be one of donald trump's other appointees or working for one of his appointees. that is really dangerous. your government is not going to work anymore. the federal government that you count on to get things done is going to be a bunch of hacks who were appointed just like back in the 1920s. but, that is tricky messaging because you need to explain the

actual impact of project 2025 without going into all the details. i have written about the military aspect of project 2025, which is terrifying, and instead of saying you know, they're going to do senior appointments that -- i've said many times, donald trump wants to purge the senior officer corps until he gets a bunch of generals who will do what he wants them to do, period. >> absolutely frightening. >> it's terrifying and that's all you have to say about it but it is tricky messaging because you don't want to sound like a boring policy wonk or arguing over a 900 page white paper. >> let's hope the white house or somebody in the democratic party is watching the show and cause you for advice because i think at the end of the day you've got to get the message out there one way or of the and -- another otherwise we run the risk of what is going to the polls without realizing what is at stake. please stick around. up next, the new movement and trump's classified documents case. his team moved again this week to get that case dismissed and

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is accountability delayed or escape for donald trump? that is now the question thanks to the supreme court's decision that he and all future presidents are immune from prosecution for official acts. trump's team is taken that ruling and ran with it. on friday, they moved to get the classified documents case dismissed and today, district judge aileen cannon granted trump's request to delay some deadlines. she gave special counsel jack smith but -- the right but not the obligation to file submission on the use of classified information at trial. at the same time she paused two upcoming deadlines for trump and two co-defendants. smith's brief is now due july 18th. dennis vallas is with me now.

i want to start with your response to what judge cannon once again is doing here, stalling the truck classified documents case. what do you make of the update we got today? >> it is consistent with what she has done so far, which is all indications are this is a judge that likes to consider all of the evidence, and then reconsider it in and have a hearing on it and then have a supplemental briefing on it so i see some strategy there in trump's team asking for things like a supplemental briefing because this is a judge that has indicated that she is willing to add time on to the case for the benefit of getting additional information with which to make her decision. trump's team sees that as a strategy and they can benefit from it so they make this motion but i think they have a very good shot at getting a lot of the florida case thrown out. most folks have been focusing on the january 6 case in d.c. but given the supreme court's description of what kind of conduct falls into the sphere of a fictional -- official action and the presumption that trump gets, yes a lot of these

documents were in trump's position after he was president but how did he get them in the first place? he was the president at the time and given that broad scope of immunity, trump has a shot here. >> let me understand this right. you are saying donald trump stops being president january 20th. he takes the documents to florida. he's told by the government give the documents back. he does not give them back and that is where the problem begins. you are saying that could be interpreted as an official act? how. >> as a defense attorney i would say when did the problem really begin? >> it began when you didn't give the documents back. they said we realize you have classified documents. you no longer should have these documents in your possession. that's when the problem began. >> yes, but i'm playing danny's i get advocate here and the argument is going to be the genesis of getting those documents for the president.

number when the spring says you can't prosecute the president for anything that was official but it also says you cannot use those official acts against him so they have a two-pronged argument here, number one that trump may have declared documents to be personal while he was president and number two, these documents exist as evidence against him and something that the genesis of which was when he was president. these are not non-zero arguments. they may fail but remember, trump, for things that are not necessarily constitutional presidential powers but within that sphere, that outer perimeter, he gets the presumption. he starts off ahead of the game. not a 0-0 game. he is the heavy favorite, and gambling terms. >> i'm going to say i'm not buying it but then again, judge aileen cannon has not proven to be a fair arbiter, so far, in my opinion. what about the case in fulton county, georgia. how could the supreme court's decision impact that, given it is a state charge, not a federal one?

>> it could, in the sense that it grants the president immunity and it is a stronger case to make against state prosecutions although mechanically, constitutionally, it is a different mechanism. when it is the executive branch of the federal government trying to prosecute a president you may have separation of powers issues but this may fall within the supremacy clause. they have the argument that a lot of this conduct was really state related and they can make the argument that this was trump acting as an office seeker, not an officeholder but there is a lot of overlap between the charges in fulton county and the state court, and the charges in federal court when it comes to election interference. you have some of the exact same facts that are alleged so if that is immune conduct in federal court likely they're going to make the same argument that it is immune conduct in

state court in georgia, and that is only one element. georgia has all kinds of problems of its own because that case is stalled due to a motion to dismiss the prosecutor. it has nothing to do with immunity and it is moving glacially although trump can get rid of the case of the pardoner through the justice department but the georgia case is very much on the ropes. >> let's talk about the hush money case and the delay in trump's sentencing until december 18th. what did you expect judge merchan to decide on how the immunity ruling impacts the verdict in that case, now that the case is concluded, at least the trial part of the case has concluded? >> this is how lawyers and everybody else studies the words in a judge's orders like they are some religious text and i would originally think that judge merchan would be inclined to say that a lot of this conduct is private conduct. it's hard to make an argument that anything trump did

involving the path to stormy daniels was presidential but we go back to the second prong of the spring court's opinion which is not only is he immune for anything in the outer perimeter of his presidential conduct, but things cannot be used against him as evidence. that does not necessarily preclude all the meetings madeleine wester has testified to, the meetings in the white house. those are not necessarily out, but they might be out. the other thing the court says, something that was in the public, you don't have that same concerns of things like presidential tweets. i would expect those actually would be admissible but the argument the defense has now is not so much that paying off stormy daniels and reimbursing michael cohen was presidential. it is the evidence that came in, the madeleine wester house testimony and other testimony about what happened in the white house, that should never have been admitted which may be the stronger argument for trump getting a new trial and getting his conviction overturned, which is so shocking to me personally because i think initially everyone's first thought is whatever this immunity decision is, the new york case had nothing to do with white house conduct. now, i see that if that new

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before the world's attention turned to hamas's attack on israel, another story in israel was garnering global scrutiny. benjamin netanyahu had just won his unprecedented sixth term as prime minister while on trial for corruption and he put together the most radical right wing extremist government in the history of israel. his government immediately proposed judicial reforms that would weaken the supreme court and put more power in the hands of the far right parliament. in the months that followed, hundreds of thousands gathered weekly protests to oppose

netanyahu's plans. they saw the proposed changes to the judicial system is a threat to the country's judicial system and possible pathway to dictatorship. it's important to understand what the protests were not about. they were not about ending israel's occupation of palestine or undoing israel system of what major human rights groups called apartheid. it was about stopping netanyahu and his right-wing allies from consolidating the power and avoiding any accountability on the world took notice. week after week, headlines spotlighted these protestant american news outlets lamented that is really democracy may not survive. an event called the great peace conference felt an arena with israelis demanding an end to the war and peace with the palestinians. this is organized by some 50 organizations and was the country's largest antiwar gathering since october 7.

taking to the podium, palestinians who lost family members to israeli airstrikes in gaza along with those who lost family members at the hands of hamas and to be clear, these antiwar protests are the minority vote in israel. a poll found 73% of israelis believe their military operation in gaza is either not gone far enough for been about right. that is 73%, but the international court of justice is called a plausible genocide so it's clear this week's peace rally does not represent the majority but dissenters exist, and they are growing and they are not getting nearly as much attention as the voices calling for more violence and destruction. we have reported on the harsh crackdown on dissent inside israel and the far right drift that's been happening in that country for years that make events like this peace conference in tel aviv all the more courageous, but is it a sign of hope and possibly the re-emergence of a real israeli peace movement?

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thank you so much for joining us this evening. since october 7th, or right after october 7th, you have been asking that the death of your parents not be used to justify the deaths of more palestinians. that was almost nine months ago and this has now been by far the longest military campaign in israel's history. did anyone -- did you foresee this lasting for so long? >> unfortunately i did. and i say to everyone who is willing to listen, including the u.s. administration, that they must do with everything within their power to stop the war, that this is a war of revenge, that it makes israel weaker and weaker strategically and seen security measures and internationally and unfortunately, i was right and it is time to make a stop of this war of revenge.

it's time to stop it. >> i want to talk to you about some of the differences we are seeing inside israel now before october 7 compared to what is happening with these protests. what do you see as the major differences between the anti- judicial reform process that took place throughout 2023 that were massive and getting a lot of international media coverage, and these antiwar protest your helping organize now. what is the difference between them? how much overlap is there when it comes to the supporters? >> before october 7th, the protests were, should netanyahu resign or not. that was the question and now, the question is when. when should netanyahu resign? before the end of the war or now, immediately, and to be very honest with you, i am not

protesting for this thing anymore i am just advocating what should be done, and what should be done is a complete stop of the war and starting a diplomatic solution in the regiment between israel and palestine and this is exactly what we have done on july 1st and the biggest arena with in tel aviv. the biggest peace rally that was in israel in the last 10, maybe 20 years, and more than 6000 israelis and palestinians, and arabs. [ inaudible ] we demanded exactly those three things. to stop the war, deal, and to

start the peace process. >> speaking of stopping the war for a moment, i'm sure you know, as well, the polling shows that large majorities of israelis or other supportive of the war on gaza or the even actually wanted to go further than what you are seeing right now. what do you make of that, or how do you explain that? are we focusing too much on the protests? are you a minority within the country of israel when you see that the majority still want the war to continue? >> leaders should not act according to polls. leaders should make policy and unfortunately, israel at the moment has no leaders. they are reading the polls and this is what they are doing and it is exactly the reason why israel is getting weaker and weaker. our camp, our correlation, more than 50% of the society decided that the discourse must be changed. a new horizon must be offered in a better future must be on the table and this is exactly

what we are doing instead of -- because our leaders are too weak to offer a better future and we are offering a better future based on the history of israel that in every country, every past enemy like egypt and jordan, that we were able to achieve a peace accord. we were able to achieve security and safety, and security and safety, this is what is most important to israelis. we are traumatized. we are in fear. we have no direction, and we must give the people of israel and the people of palestine a new direction and a new hope, but because our leaders are not doing it, we, the civil society, have decided to start a people process that will take

us to a better future and will make peace between israelis and palestinians. >> let me ask you about the peace movement in israel and for the peace movement stands today. as you very well know, somebody who has lived in israel and someone like myself who is been to israel many times and spent years there, the peace movement for the past several years has gotten smaller and smaller as israel has shifted more to the right and just this past week, we saw this israeli government basically approve the largest seizure of land in the occupied west bank in almost nearly three decades. what is the status, and how big is the peace movement inside israel right now? are we talking about a very slim majority that is inconsequential? i know you are talking about hope, but give us a sense of where the peace movement stands right now inside israel. >> the peace movement is gaining power and popularity. it started maybe only by myself. everyone was traumatized after

october the seventh and i was already saying exactly what i'm saying now and then in march, we met in geneva and start planning a big piece event and it took us only four months to be 6000 people and many who viewed us on social media, youtube and others and by the end it will be 60,000 and a year from now will be 600,000 because there is no other solution. there is no other -- there is no alternative besides starting a peace process and this is why we are calling the u.s. in calling the g7 leaders that in the community after the last meeting in italy in june, they wrote that they will support a civil society in israel and palestine to create a peace process that would lead to lasting peace, so we have here to call the american people and

the american administration another nation to know that there is a very strong and powerful and growing peace movement not just in israel but also in palestine and we are walking on the ground and calling for the parliamentary. it's as simple as that. together with international support, the peace movement in palestine and israel can grow and grow and become the majority. >> maoz inon, thank you so much. we wish you and all the work you are doing and everyone else with you the best of luck as you try to bring peace between these two peaceful. -- people. next up, it's time for our worst of the week. spoiler alert, if you are running for president, you are on our list of contenders. ur l.

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it's time for our worst of the week, 2024 contenders addition. first up, we have president biden, the democratic candidate despite facing calls from numerous democrats to step aside following his disastrous debate performance, biden is still defiantly insisting he will stay in the race and that only god himself could convince him otherwise. then, there is the republican candidate, donald trump, who has arguably had the best week with the supreme court's staggering immunity ruling. to be clear, why he might have won this week, all of us have lost, so much so that trump used july 4th to send out an unhinged post attacking special counsel jack smith as well as the president and the vice president and last but not least, there is rfk junior following a vanity fair expose that detailed sexual assault allegations against him from 1998. this week he went on the

breaking points podcast and responded to the allegations saying his quote, not a church boy. i have so many skeletons in my closet. when pressed to respond directly to the allegations, he would not comment. msnbc has not verified vanity fair's reporting, nor has kennedy responded to nbc news' request for comment on the allegation. he posted on x that it is hard to tell what is a conspiracy theory and what is not, but if elected, he will not quote, take sides, and will push for the truth about what really happened on 9/11. back with me, joe walsh, host of the white flag with joe wash podcast. tom nichols, staff writer for the atlantic. tom, who is your pick? >> you know, it is just too big a buffet this week. i think rather than keep punching joe biden, i have to go with rfk, the psion of a

great and storied american family, who now is entering the last phase of his bizarre campaign for president. pictures of eating dogs, but i also want to give a shout out to one of the person on the periphery of all of this and point out that america's mayor, quintessential new yorker rudy giuliani, was disbarred in new york this week which is just really -- if you had asked any of us 20 years ago, we would not have seen it but i think i have to go with rfk just for the total weird factor of all of this. >> yes, and obviously that was a very disturbing picture. we don't know what that was in the picture. but no matter what it is, just the picture itself was a little bit unsettling and very disturbing if it was that. joe, who are you going with? >> looks, two answers. every

week it's donald trump, the only president in american history who lost an election and refused to concede and refuse to participate in the peaceful transfer of power and 3.5 years ago, he led an attempt to violently overthrow an american election. he is the worst american of all time but rfk junior, i did not know there were two sides to 9/11. i thought everybody knew what happened on 9/11. how nuts and dangerous is that guy? >> and, how insulting to the family -- families of the americans and the others who lost their lives on that morning. rfk junior is not the only one causing problems. there is his running mate and anti-vaxxer nicole shanahan engaged in rhetoric, and among the qanon movement by suggesting that the government might be quote, satanic repossessed, so not only do you have 9/11 truth is out there but you also have a full-blown

qanon conspiracy endorser. >> and i should correct myself and say, i don't know what he was eating either but to say that his campaign has reached the point where he has to actually contend with the rumor that he was eating a dog because people would believe it at this point because of everything that has happened in that really bizarre campaign, including -- yeah, this anti- vector. this is stuff that normally would have ruled you out of contention for being on the school board. you know, instead of national politics and joe's point about the two sides of 9/11 were just -- we are so use to the kennedy campaign that we just shrug and say you know, the guy had a warm in his brain. what are going to do? it tells us something about what kind of country we've become. >> to pick up on that point, i have one more bonus pick for you guys, and that is mark

robinson, the extremist gop nominee for governor in north carolina. this video surfaced from the new republican -- republic showing him recently endorsing political violence. >> you know, there was a time when we used to leave evil on the battlefield and guess what we did to it, we killed it. some folks need killing. it's time for somebody to say it. >> some folks need killing. it's time for somebody to say it. donald trump is not gone that far. he has definitely insinuated revenge against his political opponents and now, this is a guy running for governor in north carolina on the republican ticket. there has been no condemnation from the republican party on these remarks. they just want to ignore it at though -- as though it doesn't happen. >> i come from the base of that party and i say all the time, the base of the republican party is radicalized in one of

the ways they are fully radicalized now, and it is so sad and so dangerous, the base of the republican party is now in different toward, or actually supportive of political violence to get their ends. this is scary, scary stuff. >> tom, your thoughts on this. this segment tends to be a lighthearted segment to close out the show but when you have a politician running for a high office in a state like north carolina calling for political violence against -- it doesn't even make clear whether it's his opponents are just people he doesn't like. whether we know, it could be yes but he is out here calling on people that need to be killed because he doesn't like them and this is a guy the republican party has not condemned, is not denounced or tried to get him off the ticket for saying this. >> there are two things about that that i find really disturbing. overall, it shows you that the republican party, and joe keeps saying that he is absolutely right -- they have accepted that there only path to survival is a movement is through minority rule, through

imposing the will of the minority and everybody else in america, and as part of that, they have fetishized violence. it is sexy. it's exciting. that's why you have a guy with a doctorate at the heritage foundation talking about you know, it will be bloodless if they let it be bloodless in all of this other outright cookery. this is really repulsive and the second thing i found personally, deeply repulsive about all of this is that he said it standing in a church in front of a cross. i'm a christian. i'm sorry, to me, that is obscene. to their credit, it looked like a couple of people back there was sort of you know, what are we doing here sort of shifting around. i hope they were uncomfortable but to talk that way at all as an american political candidate is repugnant. to talk that way in the churches of seen. >> yes, it seems every time we think the republican party cannot go any lower with some of its candidates, they find someone who just takes the party even lower than we could

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