most people in pennsylvania at the time did not think john fetterman would prevail. >> that's absolutely right. ly minutes on our team to link every chapter in the book to somebody who worked with former president donald trump. it is always rely. not an occasional i. >> it is a 180 day plan. not a 20 year plan. your life will change

dramatically within 180 days if former president donald trump becomes president of the united states. >> i appreciate this, -- an msnbc political analyst. we are watching joe biden who is at the mount airy church of god and christ in northwest philadelphia. coming up, a whirlwind of terrible and terribly recent whirlwind decision from the supreme court but the bigger danger lies in the way it has transformed the political landscape in the constitutional balance of powers with four months to go before election day. another hour of velshi begins now. now. good morning. it is sunday, july 7 i am ali velshi. the principal no one is above the law is one of our most

cherished values. the rule of law, the idea that lost plight equally to all members of society is fundamental to american democracy got distinguishing us from the autocracies and despots of the world. the desire for a just and level system of government was a driving force between the american revolution and the creation of the united states. the risk institution which enshrines the notion stands as his law of the land to which everyone from government officials and the president to citizens like you and me is bound. this week, the supreme court tossed aside a cherished bedrock, effectively anointing us with an imperial presidency. declaring a present's official acts are completely immune from criminal prosecution. the supreme court, as the chief guardian of the american rule of law had a clear mandate in trump the united states to declare a president cannot obstruct the peaceful transfer of power as outlined in the constitution. instead, the conservative

supermajority seemed to determine the president now stands above the law. as noted by the legal scholar -- the justices essentially ruled the u.s. constitution is itself unconstitutional. they set the entire case back to the district judge, tonya check, and to determine whether trump's actions on january 6 were official. yesterday vice president kamala harris underscore the gravity of the ruling. >> when the united states supreme court essentially told this individual, who has been convicted of 34 felonies, that he will be immune from essentially the activity he has told us he is prepared to engage in if he gets back into the white house. understand what we all know. in 122 days, we each have the power to decide what kind of

country we want to live in. >> the supreme court decision to remand the case ensures that's trump's election interference trial, if it continues at all will extend beyond the november 5 election giving him exactly what he wants, after which he may shut down the case entirely obviously if he becomes president. beyond delay, the damage to our system of government is profound. the president and ceo of the brendan center for justice wrote, quote trump the united states astounds in its allegations. granting the president the power of a monarch. richard nixon defended his conduct and watergate telling the interview when the president does it, it means it is not illegal. effectively, the supreme court super majority has enshrined that brazen claim. for justices who often waxed poetic to the important things

of -- tradition they seem to have skipped the part in our history with the founders pushed a series of essays pushing for the ratification of the constitution. he missed the part for the federalist papers stressed the importance of the government of laws, not a government of men. the bedrock notion that those who govern must also be subject to the law, unlike a king. the founders repeatedly emphasized that presidents have no special immunity as noted by historians who submitted a brief to the court. none of this seemed to matter to this particular supreme court. with its alarming record of shredding precedent and rolling back hard won rights and constraints on judicial authority. from the outset the case was stacked against the people. flags in the insurrection were seen flying outside the homes of justice samuel alito. the wife of justice clarence thomas was heavily involved in the planning of january 6. -- partial concurrence which

proposed a narrower form of presidential immunity. in his latest piece for the atlantic titled, something has gone deeply wrong at the supreme court, my next guest rights quote, instead of properly starting with the constitution text and structure, the court has ended up repealing them. no one is above the law or at least no one should be. that presidents, not ex- presidents and not justices either. the constitution itself is our highest love. jurists across the spectrum must prioritize that letter and spirit above all else. in trump the united states, the court failed to do this and failed to live up to american ideals, nonpartisan justice and the rule of law. i am now joined by the author of that piece, a professor of law and political science at yale university. a host of the podcast -- constitution. the author of several important books including words that made

us. wait to have you here in person. you are someone under whom many of our constitutional scholars and legal minds and supreme court justices have read or studied from. to have you take a strong position on this reinforces the idea that many of us nonlawyers have that this felt weird and run. >> one of the worst decisions in all of constitutional history. and since you mentioned, my students, i am proud you have one of them on earlier kermit roosevelt. also had a graphic from another one, william bode. william is a federal society superstar. he clerked for john roberts. he is conservative, the most cited person by the court itself under age 50. he is the former teaching assistant of mine. very proud of him and very critical of this case in the new york times. i would encourage your audience to read that one.

--, one of my other protigis, clerked for thomas and the chief justice, also i think one of the five most cited people by the supreme court, winner of federal society awards, conservative, cited by the dissenters in this case. the court says it believes in original is in. let's hold them to that. the dissenters made a compelling case. this is short, you can read it. it talks about bribery. it says, in a president accepts a bribe for example, he can be impeached one day she. and after impeachment, they are subject to criminal prosecution just like everyone else. and yet the court somehow said no, every president commits bribery, we could never

actually have, once out of office, criminal proceedings against that ex-president. that is what i meant when i said it is making the constitution itself unconstitutional. read it for yourselves. >> as we often say and i know you and many people like you carry them. >> multiple copies i am sure i have three or four more. >> they are small and easy to carry and fantastic. i love it. >> he has three constitutions in his pocket. william bode, you talked about his piece in the new york times. let me read that to you. it says the problem is that the statesmanship is a form of the kind of outcome oriented policymaking the court disparages in other contacts. it trusts states to handle the homelessness situation but not -- fines for securities fraud

but not punishment for abuse of the presidency. even though the constitution trusts juries with both. when dealing with mr. trump in particular the court is so sure our other institutions cannot be trusted it fails to look in the mirror. it is profound. what should be read out of this? >> that an imminent conservative he loved by the federal society and john roberts is saying friends, you have gone too far. and they have credibility, conservatives with other conservatives in a way that liberals frankly do not. that was courageous. a profile in courage and i hope the justices listen. >> if you are an optimist about this and you say okay, judge chutkan or other judges can make a decision about what was an official act and what did not. rudy giuliani did not have a role in the government at the time, sidney powell do not have a role. to the extent the supreme court has said that two medications with officials of the justice department would be protected as official acts, how do you

address the idea that what happens if you are communicating with people in an official capacity but you are in the commission of a crime? >> there was an incoherence in footnote three. the audience can read the opinions themselves of the majority and page 18 they say motive does not matter. the word bribery in the constitution tells us motive matters. it came up with something not just in violation of the constitution that is incoherent and contradictory. i do not envy judge chutkan because trying to make sense of this pile will be difficult. here is what i am most hoping for. because of the incoherence, she will do her best to issue a. late back up. it is not about donald trump. it is about going for. it is about the future of the republic last this long. i am hopeful that they will go back up in the court actually even has the integrity i

believe it does, and i believe in the court will say we made a mistake. we have taken an oath to this. we believe in this. we have said we believe in this. there have been times in history where the court actually reversed itself. >> i was going to say does it happen -- >> i will give you a specific example. today, the government cannot force people, students to pledge allegiance to the flag. some of them have religious objections to that. and others have philosophical objections. it is bedrock constitutional. the government cannot force students to pledge allegiance. the supreme court originally in a case in 1941 said that is perfectly fine. then, there was an outrage, people saying no, actually and these were religious kids, actually. and they were being punished for following their faith and exercising their free

expression rights. there was a massive pushback, london's talked about it like you and i are doing and the court reversed itself two years later in a famous case west virginia versus barnett. they said actually, we made a mistake. took another look at the constitution and we realized it says something different than what we said before. >> interesting, you have given us hope. good to see you, thank you for making the time to be with us , and bringing, i have now counted four constitutions and he is not cleared all of his pockets yet. professor of law and political science at yale university, host of the constitution podcast and author of multiple important books about the constitution including the words that made us, america's constitutional conversation and carrier of many copies of the constitution. president joe biden on the campaign trail as he works to reassure the public

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as we start of the month of july, the u.s. economy remains strong. on friday, the bureau of labor statistics reported that the labor market added over 200,000 net new jobs in june. that increase was due in large part to rises in government jobs and healthcare and social

assistance sectors. the jobs report showed that the federal unemployment rate increased by 1/10 of a%. all in all, the unemployment rate remains at historically low levels. historically, we always thought of less than 5% is being a good situation. while the stock market is not a precise barometer for the overall economy given that the fast majority of stocks are held by the wealthy, it is something we look at and the markets have been doing right well lately. all three major indices are up by these percentages from the beginning of the year. the s&p and nasdaq specifically closing at record highs friday afternoon. for more on the good, the bad and ugly of the american economy i want to bring in my friend, caleb silver the editor in chief at -- celebrating 25 years. congratulations. he is also a self-proclaimed black belt in guacamole. good to see you. let's talk about the economy.

you and i both understand the stock market is not irrelevant but to a lot of our viewers will say that is not for most of my money thoughts goes. >> does produce the wealth effect. we have had 32 record highs so far this year. we have had record highs that produces the wealth effect and that makes companies confident in hiring employees and paying flurries more and expanding. that is not a bad thing. that produces the household net worth record high. if you own assets, if you own stocks your home or property, this is a good time to be you. that everybody feels that you are watching the numbers get higher and higher and wage growth, we have been watching mostly. finally wage growth is outpacing inflation. inflation is growing more slowly for wages to supersede that finally. >> that has been about four months. it may take a while before

nobody feels that. that is a good. let's talk about the that. >> the economy is strong but it is slowing. looking at gdp, the real feel people feel is not as good. if you want to look at real members, 3.4% growth at the end of last year. about 1.4% growth this year. a pretty big slowdown. that is coming from consumer spending. it powers 70% of gdp. when we slow our spending -- that is just the way it is and inflation has finally taken its toll. job growth, the numbers for last month were pretty good but the average around $222,000 this year. and the unemployment rate rising that is something to watch for, .5%, full employment is between 3.5% and 4% employment. when we see the number rising more people are going into the workforce to keep up with rising prices. and home affordability we talk

about all the time. >> you talk about household net worth increasing the flipside of that is home prices. >> if you are a renter and spending more than 30% on your rent, that number keeps rising. >> let's talk about the ugly. >> the perception. the real feel of the economy, what you feel, what your neighbors feel what you feel on main street different from headline numbers. polls other think half of americans think we are in recession. we are not. we are not in a bear market but they think that because they hear that and what you hear that and see that and see your neighbor lose their job, that is the perception thing that gets people slow down their spending. credit card debt at record highs and other delinquencies is starting to go up. keep an eye on that. then you have this thing coming out of occupied wall street as well. you have a stock market at record highs. ceos are getting paid for that and the ratio is 190 to one.

>> the ceo earns 190 times what the employee earns. >> that is the average it would take the average employee 191 years to earn the ceo's wage. that is not feel right to people. >> this is from two is this journalists who are pro- hapless. there something wrong with that. nice to see you, congratulations again for the 25th anniversary of -- caleb silver, the editor and chief. (woman) i'm so excited. i'm finally here in the city. what. (man) ahhhhh! (woman) no, no, no, no, no! (vo) you break it. we take it. trade in any phone, in any condition

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starting tuesday, united states is holding the annual nato summit in washington dc. the fourth time in history america is hosting. the first time in 12 years. more importantly, this year marks the 75th anniversary of what has become the strongest military alliance in global history. also the first time all 32 nato nations will be together as one on american soil. right now, nato is bigger and stronger than it has been with the recent additions of finland and sweden. they both joined in the last two years following the russian war on ukraine, something which is said to be the major focus of the summit once again. the upcoming u.s. presidential election looms large and concerns about the future of nato about. on one hand there is president joe biden who strengthened nato and buildup support for

green. on the other is donald trump who has repeatedly questioned the purpose of the alliance and at times threatened to withdraw the u.s. from it while praising vladimir putin. or, as you can see literally pushing aside nato leaders as was the case with the prime minister of montenegro in 2017. needless to say, there are some nato members who are nervous about how things are going in america. joining me is the president of the german marshall fund. former assistant secretary of state for europe affairs. -- asked this question and if you are the secretary-general of nato you do not get involved with the mastic politics. he did say that biden, trump, obama all expressed concerns over levels of defense spending of nato members. in that sense, policy has been consistent across administrations. what he did not say is that there are nato leaders in european countries who are nervous right now.

>> great to be with you you can go back farther, president dwight eisenhower was telling nato allies to spend much more. of course there is uncertainty. the united states is such an essential pillar of nato. but there are 31 other countries that are together, focusing on their collective security and defense. you are going to certainly have leaders question what will happen in our election and certainly the speculation has only increased over the last week. they also know they have to focus on the business at hand, increasing defense spending, increasing their defense industrial capacity which is lagging because of the global security environment right now is probably the most insecure it has been since the 1950s. they are increasing defense spending, not because the united states told him to do so but because they had to increase their own security

because we are living in an increasingly dangerous world where our adversaries are aligning against nato allies. >> that is the good news everyone is figuring out what their defense spending should be and will be better equipped for threats in the future. what is the bad news in these nato number states, thinking about a future in which they have possibly less reliance on america? >> the first hand, they have experience with former president trump. this is not new allies experiences for the first time. they are remaining in touch and in contact with certainly members of former president trump's team. they are focusing on their homework. they have to for, the only thing they have to do right now. if we rely on just one person in the white house for all of our security then it is not a very strong alliance.

it is indeed very strong. they are going to have to stay focused on fundamentals, strong regional defense and deterrence plans. increasing readiness and making sure their industry can make capability demands and work as closely as possible not only with our allies in europe but also the indo pacific. yes, the summit will be overshadowed with a lot of questions about president joe biden. i hope every american understands how important nato is to our security. yes, united states pays for it to be a key member of nato but, the benefits are so great. 75 years ago, we were fighting communist aggression and influence spreading across the globe. now, we are fighting this growing influence of russia, china iran and north korea. our allies are essential to

american security. >> you and i were last together in person in brussels where we were talking about the future of ukraine. there are many people worried that given the difficulty the u.s. has in passing the appropriate bills to continue to fund ukraine at the levels it needs, that a trump administration may make that harder. that is the imminent threat that a number of nato allies, particularly those on the eastern front are thinking about. what is your sense about what happens to ukraine if our policy toward ukraine changes? >> ukraine is going to be a centerpiece of this weekend's nato summit. you will see some long-term nato commitments to ukraine's security. a new nato command that will focus on ensuring that ukraine has the capabilities, the maintenance, logistics to continue to fight against russia's war of aggression. you are seeing training and equipping. these are long-term issues.

we have to speak candidly to the american people about how important ukraine is to american's security. i assure you, if russia is successful in ukraine, everybody's defense spending will go up. china will fill in bolden, iran will feel emboldened, north korea and russia. i think what we have done a poor job is helping the american people understand why this is important. by allies in short our security. why ukraine matters, why their independence is directly related to our sovereignty and freedom and independence. have to do a better job. i am sure that should former president trump be reelected, he does not want to have a massive foreign policy failure on his watch. we need to see bipartisanship to continue to support ukraine to fight this war and to make

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france is holding its second round of voting in its elections today. 500 seats are up for grabs. the far right national already is seeking to make major gains. if her party wins, it will be the first far right government to run the country since the occupation of france in world war ii. joining me is our international correspondent. as far as tough assignments go i have to say this is a good one to be in paris for the elections but a serious election. >> reporter : it is a sunny, beautiful day in france as they are heading to the polls. as you said for a very serious they. the french are taking this very seriously. as of about 40 minutes ago, the turnout rates were higher than they have been in 40 years. we know that the system here

the political system has been in a state of shock for about a month or so, ever since the european parliament elections were the far right national rally did better than anyone had expected. and then in the first round of parliamentary elections in france that were called in a snap election by the president, they took more votes than any other party, about a third of the share of votes. the question, will they do as well today in the second round of voting? the one of the things we are consistently hearing from people who are fighting the far right to be appealing is frustration among the electric here. not only with the status quote but with the centrists who they feel like have not delivered on their promises and frustration with being left behind by elites in paris. i want you to hear from one of those voters i spoke to earlier

today about an hour west of paris in a town of about 8000 people. he is considering potentially voting for the far right. >> as a people -- they feel that their voice is not heard. because there are issues with the politicians. >> reporter : is this the part about girlfriends taking back power from people in paris? >> i would say it is the vote for them is the only way to express their dissatisfaction. >> reporter : the big question is will the national rally get an absolute majority or fall short of that. if they fall short, it could be a real system of political chaos with the president still in power in charge of foreign policy but the rest of the government without one party able to pass domestic legislation. it could be an unprecedented

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president joe biden is attending a church service at mount airy church of god in christ in northwest philadelphia. he is expected to speak to attendees in just a few minutes. he tends to, these days make jokes on his own both about his age and debate performance. of course he quipped the other day the only reason he would get out of the race is if the lord almighty asks him to. he may make a quip about whether he has been in communication with the lord almighty this morning. stop is one of two scheduled campaign events today. he is meeting a union counsel in harrisburg later this afternoon. as for donald trump, he has spent the weekend laming he knows nothing about this, product 2025, a 900 page conservative playbook and bluebook for a trump presidency. nor does he say he knows about it. but -- are all over this thing. ben carson, trump's former housing secretary.

peter navarro, white house trade advisor under trump. the director of office and budget under trump. he was once described by msnbc as the most dangerous maga diehard you have never heard of who pushed the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. he is in the position to be trump's chief of staff should he win. and after working on 420 25 he was named to the gop platform committee meeting he will be deciding republicans up and down the ballot will campaign on. in a shed, the gop will correct its party platform pilie behind closed doors. in decades past, reporters and spectators were allowed to watch almost like a convention. the democratic party will once again extreme it's platform negotiations live. joining me is the vanity fair correspondent and an msn -- at

the new yorker and co-author of the book the divider. hold you both there while we go to the church of god and christ to hear from the president. >> mr. morris, thank you for keeping me in my seat. i want to thank, thank you for you know, i said it is good to be home. please sit down. i got my start in public life, never intended to run for office as a public defender in the civil rights movement. it was no great shakes but i worked hard and i use to go to 7:30 mass at my church. then i would show up at reverend beaman's now bishop

beaman's church the ame church in wilmington and we would plan what we would do to change the situation. it really is good to be home. thank you for that introduction and moving sermon. thank you, this incredible congregation who are welcoming. it means a great deal. >> [ applause ] >> across the way in delaware i tended morning mass in my church and go to sunday services at the black churches as i said early on. i have always felt the power of your faith in good times and in tough times. the fact is, the scripture says, all things work together for good. to those who love god, are in our call according to his purpose. our purpose is to serve others. that is our purpose.

to know everyone is entitled to be treated with dignity and respect. to know faith without works is dead. we are all called to be doers of the world. in this nation that means keeping our eyes on the northstar. the very idea of america that we are all created equal, in the image of god, and deserve to be treated with dignity and respect our entire lives. we have never fully lived up to that but we have never fully walked away from it either. that is because of you. and generations before you who led the church from slavery to freedom. always praying, always believing that joy cometh in the morning. you have never given up. in my life and as your president, i have tried to walk my faith. and get us to the pandemic that

claimed 1 million loved ones and left 8 million people with an empty chair at dinner or breakfast because of someone they lost. to make sure that the economy has the lowest black unemployment and more black small businesses in decades. to rebuild and ensure black america as a peace of mind that comes with healthcare for everybody. >> [ applause ] >> to ensure you can follow your dreams without the burden of student that. >> [ applause ] >> to make housing affordable. to help more black families build wealth and pass it on to future generations. to keep our communities safe by getting weapons of war off our streets. to give hate no safe harbor.

while there are those who want to erase history, we want to make it. because black history is american history. of course, with more to do. above all, we need to protect our rights, the rights of all americans to make sure our democracy works for you. folks, i know with every fiber of my being, i know i only look like i am 40 years old but i have been around a little bit. the bishop and i were talking about that. it is heck turning 40. all kidding aside, i have been doing this a long time. and honest to god have never been more optimistic about american's future, if we stick together. i really mean that.

here is what else i have learned. many of you have also learned. you walk your faith as well. we are all in -- imperfect beings. we do not know where or what fate will deliver us to or when a. but, we do know is that we can seek a life of light, hope, love and truth, no matter what, we can seek that life. take all of our experiences and give everything we have to work together. when we do, you cannot stop us. i mean that sincerely. i'm about to host the nato nations in washington. put them together. the world is looking to us. not a joke. the world is looking to america. not to carry the burden but to lead their hopes. ladies and gentlemen, i'm going to be inclined to go on longer than i should so i am not going

to. i just want to say, look, i think that we just had to work together. >> [ applause ]. >> i believe when i ran the first time, for president, i said something basic. i said we had to bring back dignity and hope in america. number 1. number 2, we have to give working-class and the class people like the family a came from a shot and build an economy from the middle out and bottom up. thirdly, we must unite america again. that is my goal, that is what we are going to do. bless you all and may god protect our troops. thank you, thank you, thank you. >> president joe biden speaking at mount airy church of god in christ in northwest philadelphia. he is walking out of the church

now. he delivered a fairly short set of remarks after sitting through the sermon. it had a good response from the crowd as expected, he did make jokes about his age. deck with me the vanity fair special correspondent and staff writer at the new yorker. susan, i was going to ask you as i introduced you, what you think success looks like for joe biden in this, the beginning of a series of public events that seem to be part of the fix to the problem of the debate. what is your sense of how that went? >> i think even a series of competently executed events at this point is unlikely to stop the debilitating news cycle the biden campaign is in, with his own party, i should point out. we will all be paying most attention to when democratic lawmakers return to washington this week. i think there is a hardening view that if biden is going to remain the nominee he needs to do so with the other critical

support of his own party's elected leaders in congress as well as former house speaker nancy pelosi. i think the conversations will be informed by what jittery lawmakers are saying as they return to washington this week. i think that biden's strategy is essentially to shore up the always biden voters and the question is, if he was winning, he would not be having this problem. he needs to address the people who are wavering and i have not seen him do that yet. >> how does that happen? there are various constituencies here as susan has pointed out. the people around biden, the leaders of congress, who joe biden made reference to in his conversation with george stephanopoulos. the larger group of elected and democratic influences. then there is the voter and

that is what this comes down to. unless this penetrates all the way to the voter it will be an uphill climb for biden. >> again, i think biden has an opportunity to go out and talk to voters and show them that he is okay. we will see if he's able to make that case. this is a monumental decision. if this election is as important and seismic as all of us really truly believe, if this is possibly -- i mean some of the things the supreme court did before they left, they gave the executive even more power. this trump election is probably, this 2024 election is probably, certainly the biggest in my lifetime. this is an important decision and it does not have to happen right away. i think everyone in the democratic party that i have talked to have all sort of said what they care about is beating trump and avoiding a fracturing

like in 2016. that means the decision needs to be a sort of decision that is made as a group in the party. they are very smart people in leadership i am thinking about chuck schumer and leader jeffries. these guys have done a masterful job with a lot of stuff. they passed a lot of legislation. and chuck schumer has been doing this a long time and jeffries is aware but really has a good instinct. i believe there are a lot of conversations happening behind the scenes but the main thing has to be to avoid a 2016 splintering. >> susan, there seems to be some sort of agreement or maybe it is unspoken that joe biden has a few days to do things like this and to illustrate as many times as necessary to at least party leadership is up to

the task. what is the sense of whether this will matter to people beyond that. nobody is disputing his record and most people are not disputing he would probably do better as a president regardless. >> there are two key points. he has not demonstrated it to the american electorate or we would not be in the situation in the first place. some polls suggest as many as three quarters of the american public believe that joe biden is too old to successfully carry out a second term. those were the numbers before the debate. and in part i think it explains why the polls have not changed more significantly than they have because so many people already believe this. this is democrats and independents as well as republicans who believe that president joe biden is too old. and i think that for the president -- he cannot prove that he is not too old for the

presidency four years from now. he is running for a second term in which he will be 86 at the end of the second term. even if he competently carries out election rallies from here on forward i think he is probably permanently lost a significant chunk of democratic and independent voters. they may still vote for him in the end but i think they're now convinced he is too old and since he will not get any younger i do not think you will unconvinced people about the president's age at this point were already convinced he's too old. >> thank you to both of you, we appreciate it. that is a for me thank you for watching. watching. jen psaki begins now.