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this from the bench and have the same justices say federal law for some and bribery for some would shine a spotlight on the and we have amazing news to share about the story we first brought you about a little girl in gaza and the family working to save her life. let's do it. four words are engraved above the entrance of the supreme court building in washington, equal justice under law. a simple phrase that while america has certainly never achieved this goal charges the courts to strive for it and work for it. monday inside of that building, the same one, the conservative super majority made a mockery of it when the appropriately
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named case trump versus the united states the court essentially ruled that american presidents don't have to obey the law when conducting official presidential ask and the ruling handed a huge win to donald trump giving him immunity for some of his conduct as president and his presidential election interference case including putting the case in jeopardy. while trump was obviously ecstatic with a ruling posting a big win for the constitution and democracy and proud to be an american, just to this -- justice jackson called it a five alarm fire that threatens to consume democratic self- governance and some scholars are criticizing it saying it violates the principle of originalism that the conservative justices claim to abide by but it contradicts what some of these conservative justices have argued in the past and here brett kavanaugh said it's almost unthinkable and stated in the hearing that no one is above the law and when neil gorsuch is a president could a president be prosecuted for waterboarding
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someone and he said no man is above the law. amy coney barrett said nobody is above the law not once, twice but three times and chief justice roberts said that no one is above the law under our system including the president. and that's quite the change of heart and while criticism of the ruling has rightly pointed out the absurd levels of power it gives the president but it puts into focus the excessive power in the hands of that institution, the courts itself. as we worry about america backsliding into authoritarianism under a second donald trump administration, it is important to understand the role the courts have played in other countries that have already started their backslide. in a new york times magazine piece last year, the question was raised of how much power the court should have and she named countries like poland, venezuela and turkey where they ruled in a weekend democracy and has diminished the
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judiciary but in this country we appear to have the opposite problem. she writes that it is conceivable the us supreme court could help bring democracy to the brink, not because it is too weak as other countries have experienced, but because it is too strong. a judiciary that is too powerful can also pose its own set of dangers to a healthy democracy, perhaps more than any other country. the united states has a system of judicial review that looks into place the courts interpretation of the meaning of the constitution even when it is out of step with the popular will. that idea of the popular will is important and i do want to focus on that. member, three of the supreme court justices were nominated by president trump who lost the popular vote by 3 million votes and they were confirmed to the court by senators representing less of the country's population and who had received
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fewer votes than senators who actually oppose their nomination. but that is in all. two other justices, roberts and alito was nominated by president bush who also lost the popular vote before his first term in the white house. so think about this. five of the nine supreme court justices were put on a bunch -- bench who lost the popular vote when they first ran for president and four of them were confirmed by senators representing less than half of this country. if donald trump is elected president again in november, the threat to american democracy will be severe. but even if he isn't, the vast majority held by the unelected men and women of the court who just gave donald trump's residency another huge gift on monday have already put the democracy in question and peril. joining me now is barbara walter a professor at usc san diego and author of how civil
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wars start and the senior correspondent at fox and author of the agenda and how a republican supreme court is shaping america. a few light fourth of july beach reads. it is good to have you with us. first reaction to the ruling that gave donald trump presidential immunity. is it safe we are slipping down the road of our president becoming a king? what does this mean? >> i was not surprised and anybody who knows the makeup of this court and has watched the various rulings that have come down from republican appointed justices starting in 2013 with the voting rights act, they know that it is a court that has a very conservative agenda. the rulings are in some ways antidemocratic. they don't represent a majority of americans. 62% of americans favor a woman's right to have an abortion under most or all circumstances. 62% is across this country. and yet this supreme court
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returned -- overturned roe v. wade, a deeply unpopular ruling. you look at the voting rights act which they gutted. if you look what they did with the epa and environmental reforms. when you survey young americans and ask them what the most important issue is to them, it is a climate change and the environment. and yet this court chose to get really important environmental regulations. so this is a court that isn't intent on equal justice for all americans. it is intent to help boost a some americans over others. it generally tends to favor wealthy americans over everybody else. >> wealthy and powerful americans it seems. is the supreme court in the united states to powerful, to
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put it bluntly? and if so, why? >> oh, gosh, yes. there are a lot of reasons why. one is the constitution is a very vague document. if you give the power to say what is reasonable, the fourth amendment says you can't have unreasonable searches and seizures or what is liberty and the 14th and 15th amendment use the word liberty without much context. you will wind up with a body that has an awesome amount of power and the other problem is they are political appointees. many states, many countries, they either use merit selections to select justices and the french have a system that if you want to be a judge you go to school and if there is a civil service process where you goof off in the ranks. and what doesn't happen is you don't have republican presidents picking judges and justices because they know they will do with republican party wants over that matter democratic residents doing the same because they know they will do with the democratic
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party wants. they do serve for life and there is no accountability. you do wind up with this court doing what it did in this trump immunity case. it is such a part of our civic religion is americans that nobody is above the law that you played the clips of the justices saying that when they were in their confirmation hearing, but it turns out once they get into office nothing can keep them from doing whatever they want. >> when it comes to democracy, and obviously the supreme court has a lot of power, but there are structural powers with the way this court chosen by the president that didn't have the popular vote confirmed by a senate that didn't represent the majority of the country, these are structural flaws. put aside the other problems that he was talking about with countries overseas that you have term limits on the supreme court or the justices who can't be corrupted. we thought our system would allow us to have judges that
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wouldn't be coerced by the wealthy class but it has shielded them from any kind of accountability precisely for being co-opted by billionaires. >> americans like to believe we have the best democracy in the world. we were at the forefront of building a democracy around the world. but the reality is we have a democracy that is deeply undemocratic and in ways we know about. we have gerrymandering and big- money politics. we have a senate and electoral college that disproportionately favors rural states that are heavily white. other countries do not have this. the healthy democracies like denmark, switzerland, and canada, don't let parties run elections. they have an independent electoral commission. there are all of these ways that american democracy has become weekend overtime. and it is because we have allowed money in politics and
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we are increasingly giving more power and more influence for those with money and they have gladly taken this advantage >> the conservative justices tend to be originalists and they said in their confirmation hearings that presidents aren't above the law. are you surprised that trampled originalism and the idea that presidents aren't above the law are now the norms as a result of this decision? >> i am not surprised that they abandoned originalism. they do that all the time. the same congress that wrote the 14th amendment which the supreme court struck down with affirmative-action created the freed men's bureau which is a giant affirmative-action program. these guys really don't believe in originalism but it is a rhetorical track and that said
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i was really surprised by this trump immunity decision and i knew these guys were right wing and i expected them to string this out and delay the trial, but it is such a part of our identity as americans that nobody is above the law that i never once thought they would say those terrible things that they said in this immunity case. >> your thoughts on that? >> i gassed -- guess the best twist on this is that the justices are deeply naove but how can you not look down the game tree and see if you give the president immunity, this will create incentives for every con artist in america to want to become president because once you are president xi you can do whatever you want. and once you are there to never want to leave because once you do leave, you can be prosecuted. it creates such deeply deeply bad incentives that it is just
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beyond me how they could not have anticipated this. >> as someone who is a layman and you look at somebody and see that the president can offer bribes or pardons to anybody who offers them a bribe, it is an official act that the supreme court says within the power to do so and what is there to stop a future president from a wink and nod to say hey if you want a pardon, you know what i need to do for me and go get it done. i think we have opened a pandora's box. what happens now with special counsel's election interference case? >> the procedural nicety as it goes back down to the trial judge in the trial judge will figure out what trump is immune for and what evidence can or can't be admitted. as a lawyer, i can come up with good arguments that this case could still move forward. i think if you read an opinion like trump and parse it like an
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attorney where you look at the words and try to figure out what the legal ruling is, you are doing it wrong. like, once the court says the president is above the law, we are operating in a world where legal principles don't exist. >> a barber and ian, we do have some more to discuss with you because next up it is not bribery but bribery light. to the supreme court rule in favor of corruption? we will explain that. daily hiv. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. it's two injections from a healthcare provider. just 6 times a year. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients, or if you're taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions, post-injection reactions, liver problems, and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms,
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in what is possibly the most ironic ruling of this term, the supreme court's the curve it is -- conservative justices said you can engage in a little bit of bribery if you are an elected official and it's no big deal. it all started with a man named james schneider mayor of portage, indiana back in 2014. at the time he approved the city's purchase of five garbage trucks from a trucking company to the tune of $1.1 million and after the contract was awarded, the same company cut them a check for $13,000. he claims the money was a consulting fee but federal prosecutors charged him with a violation and an anticorruption statute violation. and it's now a whole lot weaker after the supreme court overturned the bribery conviction effectively ruling that state and local officials can actually accept certain gifts and payments but only after the fact. and here justice kavanaugh said
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there is apparently a distinction between bribes and gratuities whereas bribes are taken before an official act, gratuities are given after an official act as a token of appreciation and think of it as a tip to your waiter. whether you want to call them bribes or gratuities, a check of $13,000 or say an all expense paid fishing trip to alaska or the use of the billionaires private jet can have major influencing power and you saw what i did there. right? i guess of clarence thomas wrote the opinion, it would've been a bit too on the nose. barbara walter and ian are here with me to discuss this. i will start with you in this recent piece of years and that is what caught my attention. how much will this change how things are done in politics?'s >> what can i say about the supreme court that kendrick hasn't already said?
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they not like us and they fly around in their private jets and two of them are monstrously corrupt and they never met a corruption case where they don't come out and think of citizens united and the mcdonnell case where they had a different statute that prevents this kind of bribery and the only thing i can say about this opinion that is good is it is a narrow and only applies to a statute that involves state officials who take bribes or gratuities as the court called them and the federal statute inhibiting these gratuities nominally is still in place but who knows how long it will last because these justices think that corruption is just fine. >> the idea they think it is black and white and how dangerous is it to legally give gifts to elected officials of her contracts because the incentive now is if i am a
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government official in ohio, i know that company or that garbage truck company gave gratuity to an official and why would i not be incentivized to give another contract saying i know you did it for this guy and i do expect it for me as well? >> timing doesn't matter at all. this is semantics, whether you get paid before you provide the service or after. if somebody comes in and fixes my house, it doesn't matter whether i pay him before or after. it is the same thing. the expectation is if you don't pay me afterwards, you won't get any more favors in the future. so it is such hairsplitting and it is so transparent. but a bribe is a bribe is a bribe whether it comes before or after the service. >> more importantly, if you go into a restaurant knowing the waiter expects a tip, the
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waiter will be extra nice because he does know the tip is coming. my point again is why would these justices, knowing this incentivized government officials now to award contracts or behave in a certain way as a waiter would in a restaurant to get that tip not realize this is what they are in the shame -- unleashing. and they have reported on getting gifts and given the report we saw about justice thomas a justice alito, shouldn't they have recused themselves not to even talk about a case involving gifts and receiving gifts from people? >> they should resign. you can't fly all over the country at some billionaires a dime when you are a government employee and if they were a
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member of congress or a house staff member there is a gift limit of $50. every other government official isn't allowed to do this and of course they shouldn't be involved in this case. if you want to know why i think they did it, if you read justice kavanaugh's opinion, it has this language on what if somebody buys flowers for them or does a nice thing for them or gets a dinner or gift card for their schoolteachers or they give all of these innocuous examples. i think what is going on is that they look at this case and he looks over at clarence and sam and has empathy for them and he doesn't want them to get in trouble because those of the people that he identifies with and he isn't thinking about the broader implication of what this means for the country. >> justice jackson wrote a strong dissent saying that officials who use their public
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positions for public gain threaten the integrity of our most important institutions. what you see is the ramifications of this ruling? we touched on it. where do we see this pandora's box leading to? >> it is yet another instance of inject dean more corruption into our democracy. the implication of that will be that more and more americans and more and more young americans are going to distrust the system. they will come to believe that maybe democracy isn't the best system. maybe there is something better. there will be people out there who will try to convince them that having perhaps a strong man in power or maybe perhaps a business takeover over government would be better. this is all part of a lengthy process to really undercut our democracy and undercut trust in our democracy so that certain groups of americans can ultimately have most of the power. this court has been really transparent. or a majority of the court has been transparent about their
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desire to allow wealthier americans to have more influence. the big picture on this ruling is it is just yet another way for wealthy people to influence policy outcomes. >> is there anything congress can do? they have proven to be completely inept on many levels but is there, hypothetically speaking something congress can do like pass and act for them to try to put in and to this type of corruption on the supreme court? >> there are a lot of things you can do if you had a large enough majority. the first thing that could happen is it's just a decision interpreting a statute so congress could rewrite it to make it clear that even if you took the bribe after and it still illegal and still a bribe. there is a lot of other stuff.
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you could add seats to the supreme court and fill them with biden appointees or whoever the president appoints if you have the votes to do that. you can take away almost the entire budget and you can't take away their salaries are building or law clerk or staff. you can strip it over much of its jurisdiction and there are a lot of things congress can do but it depends on us selecting a congress in november that actually wants to do that. >> it doesn't seem like anybody has been talking about that enough during the campaigns. thank you so much. stick around. up next we will talk about this stunning turn of events that some of these elections around the world in particular france sending a clear message to the far right in that country. that. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill
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in france results from the historic snap election are in and they defy predictions. the left united to reject the surging far right national rally party and prevented them
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from a majority. the french president called for parliamentary elections after his party suffered a major defeat in the parliament elections it was clear that french voters wanted change and then in a surprising upset and with the voter turnout the highest it has been, a block of left-leaning parties is projected to finish first and it is expected to come in second in that means the national rally in third after it got a sweeping victory in the first round last weekend and not just france but voters showed us that the status quo isn't working. take yesterday's election in iran where there was a relative moderate that got the presidential election defeating an ultraconservative former negotiator and the new prime minister has been confirmed after the labour party got a decisive victory in 14 years of conservative rule and this desire for changes clear that
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our people that up with how things are but are they rejecting far right voices and forces across those countries? i am joined by the editor in chief of foreign policy magazine and barbara is back with me. i will start with you and what we saw play out in france. what is a signal that after the stunning emergence of the far right's victory last weekend with the centrist and left voters were ready to prevent that from gaining a majority in the french permit and this turnout and unity among the left centrist parties to block the far right? >> this really is more of a rejection then it is a votes in which any great enthusiasm was shown for who will govern given that we now have very much a hung parliament. you have between the left and center an extreme range of views really that will find it even were they able to come together a coalition and they would find it very hard to
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agree on anything. in a sense i think first what happened is the left and center agreed to drop certain candidates from various constituencies so people could unite their votes and vote against the far right. this is really most of all a vote against the far right, which it seems like much of france has united to come together and say they don't want the very worst of what they have seen, the crazy anti- immigrant rhetoric, some of which has links to far right fascism decades ago and that is what has been rejected. but really there is no clear sign of what happens next and france's next prime minister could be anyone. jean-luc who runs the party with the most number of votes is a socialist and wants to pull france out of nato so confusion reigns. >> it is an important point that we will dig into.
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but barbara, give me your thoughts on the broader question i posed earlier. do you think the election results are about a real desire for change, or they more a rejection of conservative voices and forces? give me a sense if there is a through line between these elections or if there isn't and each one is singularly unique. >> barbara, you may have been muted. go ahead. >> it is definitely a movement for change and is not a rejection of the far right. if you look at written and france the far right made big gains in the selections. what you really thought is almost a hollowing out over the middle, which is quite scary. the french president represented the center of french politics. they were the big losers in the election and what you saw was a rise on the far right and on
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the left. this is really an indication of a rise of more extreme politics. what it is telling us is democracy in europe and democracy in the united states is probably facing a decade or so of real instability. that is something that everybody, voters, party leaders, important donors, will have to be vigilant about. we do see the hollowing out of the middle and democracies. this is where stability usually sits. >> a very important point that barbara brings up about the hollowing out of this center. the polarization of our politics now is that the new norm? will we see more extremism or more extremists i should say emerge on both sides of the political divide? i do want to highlight this point. this was posted that there is a
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key lesson for democrats coming out of the uk and french elections with voters wanting change and little political coherence to the way these races are going except for the way people are turning on the status quo whether it is the right in the uk or the center in france. your thoughts?'s are we in a new era of polarization that will basically got the center out of our politics? >> we are. every country is on its own journey and the spectrum isn't the same anywhere or everywhere. treat them separately. the reason why in france many of us see this is a rejection of the far right is in comparison to just a week ago when it won the first round or a few weeks ago when the poll suggested that the far right would really come and dominate the french parliament. in reaction to that it does seem like a lot of people voted strategically even if they were voting for parties on the far
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left or on the center that they didn't really care for. that is something that gives me some hope and i think electorates and people are smarter than what we give them credit for and they generally have a wider broader vision of where they want their country to go and look at the uk. where turner was -- turnout was lower than it was so the opposite of france which was higher than it had been and while it was the change, this is not a vote of great enthusiasm but one where people were largely set up with what they had in 14 years of chaos and confusion where there is a conveyor belt of prime ministers going in and out of 10 downing street and they voted for a party that has been clear about the fact that it doesn't want to put forward radical new proposals but project itself as steady. this is really where it is. if i may i will take us very quickly here to iran where it
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seems like globally there is a broader feeling that the system is working and democracy is working in capitalism isn't working. the greatest fear that the clerics had in iran and their election this past weekend was that the people would reject the system and if you look at the turnout, 50% there, which is higher than some were expecting. that suggests there is a broad resentment with the establishment itself. if you look at elections around the world, reducing turnout suggest that people while they may toss leaders out now and then, they are upset about the system. >> a very important point you raise about all the selections and we continue to do that as we head into our own elections and see what if any impact they have on her own domestic politics. thank you both so much for joining us and we do greatly appreciate your insight. west bank land seizures and how it undermines the biden administration. that is next.
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this was the scene at the village in the west bank and april after hundreds of israeli settlers went on a rampage. a teenager had gone missing from a nearby settlement and villagers decided to take matters into their own hands and it wasn't an isolated attack. palestinian villages were torched. this is one of the largest attacks this year and a reminder that palestinians are increasingly vulnerable to rising violence from the israeli settlers and because for decades the walls have been closing in on them as the government approves more and more land grabs in the west bank, something that has increased since the war started at the end of last year. this week, we learned is really authorities approved the seizure of square miles, five, in the jordan valley, the
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largest grab three decades ago and back in february the secretary of state said israeli settlements in the west bank are inconsistent with international law and that the administration maintains firm opposition to settlement expansion. but with no accountability or tangible action from the united states government, besides a few strong words and statements, israel remains defiant and has made it clear that these illegal land seizures will only accelerate and with me now to discuss this is the former israeli peace negotiator and president of the middle east peace project. great to have you with us and thank you for joining us. this comes as we already saw 4 mi.2 earlier this year of land seizure and this makes it the peak year in the west bank and at this rate, is it even possible to have a two state solution?'s are we beyond that just speaking from a realistic perspective of looking what is happening on the ground? >> really important, these land seizures and turning over of
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land from state property comes from the freedom of information request inside israel and the two headlines are this is an important part of the bureaucratic process which has been going on for decades across every is really government which has led to what you described, the fact there are 650,000+ israelis now illegally in palestinian territories in the west bank or east jerusalem and many want to be back in gaza as well and that is a constant but the other headline is under this government there has been a scaling up not only in those efforts but also in the legal arrangements for managing the territories which means we are already in a de facto annexationist government and this is all one state. that brings us to your question of what does that mean in terms
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of the plausibility of this thing that everybody pays rhetorical lipservice to, two states. it means we have to put under a microscope this and do you really need a sovereign palestinian state with all that entails and the rights of refugees and they say listen that they have created this reality and this government doesn't talk about those got you or you are doing these terms but they open this. so are you accepting this reality or do you really think you are in a reality where this is entrenched and we have to be talking about the equality for all in the one state of israel created. >> you bring up an important point, the rhetorical lipservice that people pay to a two-state solution. you speak to american officials
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and european officials. they still talk about a two state situation and two-state solution denying this one state reality you described. we know that jewish settlements in the west bank are considered illegal by the international community. yet there is no substantial action by the americans or the europeans. why not? why is it the united states won't even just follow its own foreign policy objectives imposing a two-state solution. i understand they may not impose it but why aren't they taking actions that those who block it? >> right. you had a very limited initiative by this administration. so sanctions against a small select number of settlers or groups and they were much larger and more serious things that if you are doing that you could go after the organization which holds a lot of the funding and this would have to be on your list.
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but more than that, how do you make sure if you are serious, because of course what this all suggests is there isn't a seriousness but if you are serious, how would you make sure that you are not complicit in any of this a legal action? how do you draw a clear distinction when israel refuses to make such a distinction between israel proper and the occupied territories and if israel has sporting clubs, inside its own institutions, should they be participating in the national sport and what about all of your bilateral relations and the trade and that is why. now before the international court of justice is not only the case around this plausible genocide in gaza but also the un general assembling but told on the court to provide a legal new thing and what does this permanent occupation mean in terms of the responsibilities
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and america went in there and argued we don't have to do anything and i don't think that is what the court is going to say and i think it really tells a lie to this idea that there is a serious of commitment to two states because he could be doing so much more. the reality is that having failed to do that for decade after decade, you are looking now at an increasing likelihood that something that has been called by human rights groups and states and israel's own ministers and apartheid reality is going to require an unraveling that involves sanctioning and quality and this two state option, the partition option, which has really encouraged land grabs from the get go may well be receding into the distance. >> we are almost out of time and i will have you back to discuss this, but how do you take a one state solution from this fear in terms of what it
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means into a practical solution for both people with equal rights? how do you bring that into the mainstream despite it is the reality underground? >> it is the reality. first of all the palestinians have to make some hard political decisions for the palestinian national movement that could represent those aspirations and that's not for me to do but palestinians will have to say, is this what we want? then you have to acknowledge the eradication us -- those who owe not only talk about but enact attempt at displacement in gaza and the west bank but also they will have to be part of that equal future reality. >> i do greatly appreciate your time and insight is always. we will head to texas as it braces for tropical storm beryl
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back with some breaking news on the gulf coast. tropical storm beryl expected to be a hurricane by the time it makes landfall monday morning. ursula thompson is tracking it for us from texas. what do you see with hours until landfall? is the community bracing itself and heeding warnings? >> reporter: they are.
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we have really felt that strengthening on the ground here in the past hour with the wind picking up. you can see the waves along the water becoming more violent and i do understand the wind right now around 70 mph. they are right on the cusp of becoming a category 1 hurricane. we do expect that will happen at some point overnight. what officials have been saying throughout the weekend is for these coastal communities to prepare and that is certainly what we have seen in corpus christi. they have passed out 10,000 sandbags in under an hour and we were in galveston today were we saw empty store shelves of people were picking up water and supplies as they prepared to hunker down. here we have seen businesses and homes boarding up. it does appear that people are preparing as many of them plan to stay and write out this storm.
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really big impacts that officials are worried about here and along these coastal communities will be the storm surge. and here we are talking about potentially up to a 7 foot storm surge that could knock out power lines, trees and certainly impact a lot of these homes along the water. the other big threat will be flash flooding and a lot of these inland areas because of the amount of reign that will come in. we're talking 5 inches to 7 inches in houston, which, over the past few months has been inundated with rainfall. the ground there is already saturated. those are some of the things that folks are worried about. we did hear officials as saying earlier that yes the surge is a problem but the more deadly issue they are concerned about is the flooding, warning people not to go out or attempt to drive in the water. at this hour there are mandatory evacuations in place for several counties and more than 120 counties under a disaster declaration as communities prepare for what is
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coming. >> please stay safe with the crew and everybody else down there. we really appreciate it. we want to end the show on a positive note in an update to a story we told you about last month. three-year-old julie had been living in gaza with an extremely rare disease called ahc with only 100,000 diagnosed cases worldwide. and once it deteriorated there she became paralyzed and didn't have access to the medicine she needed. her family warned if she didn't receive proper treatment, she would die. people around the world including parents of children with that same condition rallied to help her and last month i spoke with simon, father of annabelle who is also living with the disease and the palestine children's relief fund. they were working tirelessly to help julia and her family leave gaza for life-saving treatment.
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this past week we learned she has been evacuated to egypt things to a multinational effort. sadly her parents weren't allowed to go with her and they were forced to make the devastating decision to send her away with her 20-year-old aunt. the good news is she can now receive the medical care she needs and deserves safe from the unrelenting threat of war and nine months of this war, this is a bright spot and testament to the efforts of so many people around the world to save this girl's life. thank you for making time for us and make sure to watch is saturday and sunday starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern and also on a's. i am in new york. have a good night. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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