democrats are demanding action against supreme court justice clarence thomas. in a letter to attorney general merrick garland, two judiciary committee leaders are calling for the appointment of a special counsel to investigate whether clarence thomas broke federal tax and ethics laws. senate democrats have been investigating ethics practices at the supreme court in the wake of bombshell reporting from propublica detailing luxury travel and gifts thomas accepted from republican mega donor harlan crow that thomas failed to disclose in his financial reports. the supreme court adopted new ethics ruled last fall, but notably did not include any real enforcement mechanisms. and a quick programming note, you can catch me on the katie phang show, saturdays at 12:00 p.m. here right here. that does it for me tonight. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> our project 2025 is developed

a comprehensive policy agenda but even more importantly, recruiting people, 20,000 people, to go into the next administration hopefully to help take back this country. we want no credit. we want the american people, that president trump is elected again, president trump and his administration to take credit for that. >> the wildly unpopular project 2025 is trump's road map for a second presidency. tonight, the chainsaw that republicans would take to your children's education if trump gets back into the white house. also tonight, democrats try to move forward with president biden as their nominee, and the white house is hoping to put concerns to rest as biden hosts the nato summit this week in washington. plus, corruption on the court. a new call tonight for a special counsel to investigate the judiciary's kept man, supreme court justice clarence thomas, for his shady financial disclosure reports.

in which he failed to disclose expensive gifts from his wealthy right-wing benefactors. but we begin tonight with project 2025. and the republican plan to impose repressive measures on every single one of us. now, we talk a lot about this looming threat from project 2025 on this show, but tonight, we're going to start laying out exactly what these people have in mind for you, your families, your friends, and your children. starting with their plans for the department of education. a federal department that republicans have hated ever since it was created by president jimmy carter. >> president carter today signed into law a bill establishing the new federal department. it's the department of education, something he had promised in his 1976 election campaign. it will be the 13th cabinet level agency of the government. it will take over 150 or more

educational programs now in the department of health, education, and welfare. >> republicans despised the department of education for a number of reasons. one reason, it's easier to sell terrible republican policies to a compliant public that's not getting a quality education from a weakened public school system. another reason is the department's mission to foster equal access to education by prohibiting discrimination and inspiring -- i'm sorry, and insuring equal access. that runs counter to what christian nationalists want, which is de facto segregation. before i go any further, you have to remember that after the supreme court banned school segregation in 1954, not everyone, including people like bull connor, the commissioner of public safety for birmingham, alabama, just rolled over and accepted that ban. in fact, they threatened to shut the schools down rather than integrate them. and scores of white families who didn't like the idea of their

kids commingling with black kids began to flee whatever schools were forcibly integrated en masse. leaving schools like the high school famously integrated iplittle rock, arkansas, almost 100% black. this white flight birthed the christian right movement and fueled their push to create private, sometimes church sponsored schools, that became taxpayer funded private schools imposing religious doctrines to a select class of typically middle class or upper class white students. these were more commonly known as segregation academies. and they became really common because the federal government helped enforce strict plans like busing and denying tax-free status to whites only schools to continue combatting segregation, which brings us to today. it's important to understand what the department of education does for you and your kids. among the things it does is student lending, pell grants, something called idea, which is basically federal funding for

families with children with disabilities and title 1, which is funding used to insure all kids, regardless of income, can acquire a quality education. and they keep civil rights data on things like the level of racial integration in schools. all of that is in danger. trump's henchmen want to eliminate the department of education. they want to create block grants to funnel tax dollars to private and religious schools to make white flight a taxpayer funded benefit. they want to scale back enforcement of civil rights laws like title ix, which prohibits gender based discrimination. they want to enact a parents bill of rights. they want to take federal funding away from schools with curricula, books, or classes that address race, racism, gender, and sexuality. they want to eliminate school administrator positions that oversee dei initiatives resurrect the 1776 commission with the single goal of

restoring, quote/unquote, patriotic education in schools, north korea style. far more sinister is what's buried deep within project 2025, which any person who sends their child to public school should care about. they want to mandate that all students in schools receiving federal funding must complete the armed services vocational aptitude battery. that's a military entrance exam. you heard me right. they want to require your kids to take a military entrance exam. if you flip to page 134 of the 900-page project 2025 manifesto, you'll read this proposal, and i quote, to improve military recruiters' access to secondary schools and require the completion of the armed services and vocational aptitude battery, the military entrance examination by all students and schools that receive federal

funding. and guess who would be exempt from that requirement since they don't get federal funds? private school kids. you feel me now? look, my kids are grown adults. but do you feel comfortable having your babies handed over to the military industrial complex so king trump can use and discard them like old shell casings? maybe sign them up to use on american streets to shoot protesters because he's promised to do that. or use them to round up brown migrants to herd them off to the deportation camps he's promised to build or fight in his migrant fight club. or fight in some random war he starts to help out his friend vladimir putin or kim jong-un or whatever other madness he dreams up. now, of course, trump never mentioned any of this because it's not exactly politically popular to tell the world you want to take money from poorer kids who want to go to college and take grants away from kids with disabilities and promote an

education system styled on north korea and russia or make school kids take a military entrance exam, but that's exactly what trump and his project 2025 friends want to do. joining me now is judd leggem, and megan. i want to start with you because democracy forward is doing a great service to america by creating something online that people can use to go through project 2025 themselves. can you talk about that a little bit? you call it the people's guide to project 2025. talk about it and talk about anything i missed or if you want to add anything to what i have described for their plans for education. >> thank you very much. that's right. democracy forward has put together the people's guide to project 2025. not everyone has to go read all 900 pages of it. we have done that for them.

but what it really does is show and make accessible all of the great harms and threats to democracy that are contained in the extremist playbook. to be clear, project 2025 is an existential threat to our democracy. and with regard to public education, all of the -- you laid it out so well in your introduction. the attacks that are contained in project 2025 are designed to fundamentally disrupt and dismantle public education in our country as we know it. public education is so core and fundamental to our nation's democracy and i have the great fortune of being able to work with communities, famfamilies. students, teachers, in states and cities across the country where they're on the front lines of some of these horrific ideas. and seeing first-hand the harms that are being perpetuated in these communities and knowing that project 2025 is really moms for liberty on steroids.

let's be clear, the people behind project 2025 aren't seeking just to undermine public education. they're seeking to undermine our democracy. delegitimize, defund public education, roll back protections for marginalized groups, reduce funding for low income students, expand school privatization and ultimately eradicate the department of education. that's something that will really hurt all of the students across the country. people should be worried about that. >> the pretense right now, the trick that donald trump is trying to play on all of us is to say, i don't know anything about that. those people don't have anything to do with me. that's obviously something that rhymes with pullquit. but these are his people, right? >> yeah, and i probably believe the fact that donald trump hasn't read this 900-page document, but that's the point. he's not a policy wonk, but if you look through, and in my newsletter, we did this, each

individual author and the editors of each chapter, 31 of the 38 key authors and editors were members of his first administration. and the others are key outside allies. so what's going to happen, just like it happened in the first administration, if donald trump were to win, is that he may not be keying in on every single proposal within project 2025, but these people will be back in those positions, and these proposals will be implemented because trump is not focused on policy. he's focused on power. and that's why the document itself, whether or not trump is familiar with each word, is very important, because it does represent the goals of the people who are aligned with trump, who are deeply committed to enacting some of these policies which are extremely

radical. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, grover norquist once said they don't care whether the republican president they would like to have in office is brilliant, intelligence or knows about the tax policy, he just needs five working digits to sign the bills. the project 2025 people are like, we're the smart people. we'll come up with the plan, along with the supreme court nominees. he just has to implement the bills. let's go through, because just to go back to the department of education and how important it is. as of present, 49.4 million american children are in public schools. 5.5 million are in private schools. there are 95,577 public schools in america and 30,492 private schools. this is lots and lots of american children who would be impacted if you got rid of the department of education.

you're talking about pell grants, about kids not being able to get basic money for college. you're already seeing states implement their own versions of project 2025. lask lack, idaho, utah, wyoming, south dakota, mississippi, alabama, georgia, florida, south carolina, and vermont have already rejected school summer food programs. they're already saying we don't want to feed kids in school. nebraska initially rejected it. this is already being implemented. school voucher programs are being rolled out in states, red states across the country, iowa, indiana, ohio, west virginia, north carolina. they're already doing it, right? >> that's right. and again, as i mentioned, i have the opportunity to be able to work in communities across the country with those on the front lines, and unfortunately, i hear stories time after time of the direct impact of books being banned in classrooms, of schools not being reflective of the students that attend it, and

those -- it's a tragic consequence, but it is one that we just shouldn't pretend that the people that are behind project 2025 are interested in quality education or access for students across the country. they're interested in forcing ideology into our classrooms and remaking education as we know it. >> and let's go back again to the people. the personnel, judd. one of them is a guy named russ vogt. he's one of the authors of project 2025. this is the number of people, those of you looking at the screen, the number of people who are part of project 2025, helped write it, and were in donald trump's administration. he can't pretend he doesn't know any of these people. but let's talk a little bit if you could, judd, about russ vogt. why should we be concerned about him? >> he's a key player because not only did he play an extremely important role in the first trump administration as the head of the omb, but also, he was

appointed as the policy director for the republican party platform which was just released. and, he is an author of a chapter in project 2025 but even more importantly, he is spearheading what will not be a public document, but is the private playbook that 2025 is going to be providing to trump should he win of exactly what to do in the first 180 days of the administration. so as much as we know from the 920 pages, we don't know the full plans, but we know that the person in charge of creating the playbook for the first 180 days is deeply enmeshed in the republican party, in project 2025, and in the trump administration. trump appeared with him at a fund-raiser for his nonprofit

that he runs that is pushing many of the same proposals. so when trump says i don't know anyone who is involved, the reality is these are his closest political allies. russ vogt is key -- is rumored to be one of the top selections of the next trump chief of staff. so the connections really couldn't be more intertwined between everything that's going on with the campaign and project 2025. >> never forget, donald trump didn't write 2025, but the people who wrote it wrote it for him and with him in mind. and with him in mind as our new dictator riting the rules. we're going to be doing this every night on this show. thank you both very much. meanwhile, while trump is out trying to run away from his extreme agenda, president biden is hosting a high-stakes nato summit this week in washington. that's next. at's next.

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europe, for the trans-atlantic community, and i might add for the world. let's remember, the fact that nato remains the bulwark of global security didn't happen by accident. it wasn't inevitable. again and again at critical moments we chose unity over disunion, progress over retreat, freedom over tyranny, hope over fear. again and again, we stood behind our shared vision of a peaceful and prosperous trans-atlantic community. >> the eyes of the world are on president biden as he welcomes 38 world leaders to the nation's capital for the 75th anniversary nato summit. he addressed the media in washington's andrew mellon auditorium where the treaty creating nato was first signed in 1949. an original copy of nato's founding charter is on display, including the most important lines in article 5 known as the collective defense clause.

that symbolism from the white house a stark reminder of the gravity of the moment we're facing. make no mistake, nato's 75-year existence is under threat. this summit, potentially the last ever, comes as european allies are increasingly concerned about another trump presidency. joining me is ben rhodes, msnbc political analyst and former deputy national security adviser to president barack obama. ben, always good to see you. talk about the importance of this summit. obviously, personally for president biden, but also for nato, because they are clearly fearful of a trump kingdom in america. >> yeah, i mean, the focus in terms of the substance of what nato has been doing is very much on ukraine. ukraine is not a nato member, but it is nato countries that are provided the overwhelming amount of assistance to ukraine, and it is bordering a lot of nato allies in eastern europe who fear is russia is not stopped in ukraine, they might see their own territory

encroached upon next. it has additional amounts of support for ukraine and an effort to project long term support for ukraine in the face of a determined vladimir putin. in that context, american politics is probably the main topic of discussion on the sidelined because everyone knows if donald trump is elected he is quite likely to cut off that support for ukraine and that cannot be substituted by the europeans alone. and perhaps even pull the united states out of nato, maybe he can't do that formally, but he can certainly walk away from that collective defense commitment. if the commander in chief is saying i'm not going to keep my obligations under nato, i'm pulling back, that would dramatically transform the security environment in europe and frankly in the whole world. >> i mean, and there are all these headlines about how essentially before biden can save the world, he has to save himself, so how might they be evaluating the president at this summit? he's the host, and so he's in a position to sort of use the sort

of auspices of the presidency to convey the grandeur of american democracy, but it's clear he's in a political crisis himself. >> yeah, look, i have been to europe this year, even before the debate. there were very serious concerns that trump was going to get re-elected. i can bet that almost all of those nato leaders really, really want to see donald trump out of the white house. now, there's other leaders who want to see donald trump in the white house, and vladimir putin is one of them. and he has counterprograms with meetings with viktor orban, perhaps the only nato leader who would like to see trump elected too. i think what they're looking for is what is joe biden like behind the scenes, what's he like in meetings, not just when he's forcibly delivering the message he did tonight, very well, speaking from prepared remarks but what's he like in bilateral meetings, in the hallway, what is his mood? does he seem committed to

staying in the race and committed to winning? a lot of what he's doing, the democratic caucus and the house and senate is probably not that dissimilar from what's happening in the leaders lounge at the nato summit. all of the conversations about trying to determine whether people are going to leave this summit believing biden has it in him to win, to run and win this race. >> yeah, i mean, look, and of course, we should note, you did mention viktor orban, he's chilling in moscow and hanging out with xi jinping. he's making it clear where he wants to be. let's talk about how it looks in terms of when nato comes to washington, democrats infighting at a time when it's so critical to defeat donald trump, when they all agree, most agree, that trump cannot come back. is it -- do you think this will cause democrats to maybe discipline themselves a little bit and maybe fight, maybe not in public, maybe take it behind the scenes so they're not that

obviously a distraction? >> look, there was clearly a choice made when this was scheduled to be in washington for the 75th anniversary summit, to kind of re-enforce support for joe biden. let's face it, i mean, they'll say it wasn't political, and obviously, you need a nato summit and the u.s., the natural place to host the 75th anniversary, but putting it in the summer, it's been one of joe biden's biggest achievements to enlarge nato and rally the alliance to defend ukraine, make it more relevant. that's the message i think the democratic party wanted to be communicating this week. i think for democrats, they can't avoid the fact that nato cuts both ways. on the one hand, it re-enforces the stakes of defeating donald trump. it's literally the safety and security not just of americans but the whole world is riding to some extent on this election. but that also means you have to take it really seriously and make sure that this is a fight that we can run and win. i think it probably conditioned democrats to have these hard

conversations before the summit began. but then i think everybody will be waiting at the press conference on thursday, which marks kind of the end of the summit and the return to politics as he's going to get political questions in the press conference. i think democrats will be quieter the next couple days but they'll wait to see what happens in the press conference and so will all of the leaders attending the nato summit. >> somebody tell the democrats you can fight all you want. you don't have to do that in front of politico and reporters and in front of "the new york times." you don't have to do it in public. i'm just throwing that out there. it's a possible option. >> maybe have those conversations behind closed doors. >> you know, it wouldn't kill you. ben rhodes, thank you very much. you can stay focused on the thing. thank you very much. coming up -- >> i will not repeat his words. i will not repeat his words because they should never be repeated, but i will say that someone who vilifies immigrants,

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with just 119 days until the election, there is still a lot of chatter here in washington over president biden's future. today, democrats in the senate and house held separate meetings to discuss internal divisions and the best path forward. but ultimately, it appears the majority are still publicly standing by biden or starting to accept the fact that he's not going anywhere, at least for now. in the meantime, the president is trying to turn the page. telling donors, quote, we're done talking about the debate. it's time to put trump in the bull's eye, which is easier said than done. when stories about biden's age and calls for him to step down are all over the news, especially "the new york times," whose editorial board today again stepped on biden to step aside and urged the democratic leadership to publicly demand he leave the race.

important to note here that "the new york times" has never called on trump to step aside or for his resignation, not when his administration was tearing migrant babies from their mother's arms or when he suggested people inject bleach into their bodies to combat a raging pandemic or when he incited a violent insurrection with the goal of overturning an election so he could just stay in office forever. it also comes as yesterday the times published a story not from the editorial side but from the news side about dr. kevin canard, an expert on parkinson's disease who visited the white house eight times over the course of eight months. the reporting does not however elaborate on why he was at the white house or if the president was even there when he visited. which according to nbc news, most of the time, he wasn't. bides was only at the white house for a few of those dates. for most of them he was traveling. this is verifiable information that the times apparently didn't

bother to check before posting a story heavily implying that the president suffers from parkinson's disease. they also apparently ignored the fact that the president around that same time period was launching an administrative initiative to combat parkinson's disease, something that was also public knowledge. meanwhile, overnight, the white house physician released a letter saying that biden has not seen a neurologist outside his annual physical, something he would probably highly likely do if he indeed had parkinson's. the white house physician also explains that dr. canard has been the neurology consultant to the white house since 2012 and before the pandemic, he held regular neurology clinics at the white house for the thousands of active duty military members assigned there. and yet, the times isn't letting up. they seem laser focused on biden's age and acuity with no focus on the fact trump has been showing signs of cognitive

decline for years. as the new republic's greg sargent puts it, one thing that's clear from the biden age story is this -- "the new york times" knows how to crusade when it wants to and "the new york times" is crusading against biden's mental unfitness for office in a way it's just not doing with trump. greg sargent joins me now. it's noticeable in the way the whip-up to the iraq war was noticeable and her emails story was noticeable. what do you make of the fact it's all about biden's age but nothing about trump, about trump's mental acuity and such? >> i think it's important to say at the outset that the times does, as they say, really cover trump very aggressively. they have done a fabulous set of stories on the authoritarian threat trump poses in a second term and so forth. that stuff is the times at its absolute best. really great investigative work, professionally done. but the difference is kind of one of tone and volume and

placement. with the biden age story, there's sort of a relentless quality to it, a drum beat, a kind of crusading intensity to it that they kind of achieve by picking at a story incrementally from every conceivable angle. what i think that does is, it sends an alarm to readers. it says, readers, you should pay attention to this. you should be worried about this. this is a big thing. and that doesn't really happen with the trump coverage in the same way as good as it is. >> somebody was seeing like a ticker thing about who -- it's a lot. it's like sports coverage and it doesn't seem appropriate. so there is a storyline that i don't know if this is real, but politico did report from april that they report the times carries its own obsession with biden, aggrieved to refuse to give the paper a sitdown interview that they believe is

their birth rite. is there anything into that? >> i never bought that. it doesn't seem nsync with how we know news rooms work and what we know about the times. it seems frankly kind of nutty if that were a consideration, it would be crazy, right? so it's hard to believe. >> the bottom line is that what really matters is the tone and volume. it's this insistent drum beat. every single aspect of the story is analyzed. what will democrats do about biden's age? how will republicans attack it? will those attacks work? news analysis kind of, you know, packaging these republican attacks and talking about them endlessly and elevating them in a relentless way. you don't feel like that's happening with trump. and especially with his mental

acuity. i mean, you really don't have any kind of insistent drum beat of coverage about his mental unfitness for the presidency, which is highly manifested. and again, we should stress they do good work from time to time, even regularly on that, but it's not insistent. i think readers pick up on drum beats in a way that they don't when they're not really kind of told, pay attention. >> yeah, and i feel like for a lot of the coverage of trump, and i don't want to pick on "the new york times." i think in general in our industry, in the media, there's a sense of pricing in the wackiness of trump, if he's talking about sharks or electrocution, they price that in and it's reported, and there's great reporting on it, media throughout the media, but it's not representing as some threatening thing that you must urgently zero in on. another piece, there's an editorial quote on voters in the paper. this is what they said in the times. democratic leaders should not rely solely on the judgment of the few voters who turned out in

this year's coronation primaries. they should listen instead to the much larger group of voters telling every pollster in america their kearns for a long time. here's my problem for that. 14 million people voted in the primary. that's 87% of the votes cast in the nominating process. 14 million people. the last "new york times"/sienna poll, the number of people who voted in the poll was 1,532. the average poll, decent polls have 800, 900 people in them. 14 million is a lot more. but they're saying that the extrapolated people from 1532 voters, listen to them instead. is that fair? >> i didn't understand that argument at all, frankly. i mean, look, i think there's an argument to be made that maybe the primaries weren't really indicative of exactly where democratic opinion is for a whole bunch of reasons that i don't think we need to go into now. by the way, i think it's not

even wrong of the times to crusade on biden's age, right? it is a legitimate story, a big story. what's missing though is the other side of the equation. trump is clearly unfit for the presidency in all kinds of ways. and there's just not a sounding of the alarm about it. that's the big problem. and when the executive editor is questioned about this kind of thing, he constantly falls back on sort of boiler plate about how, oh, we cover trump. yes, we know you cover trump and you do it really well, or they fall back on other boiler plate. they never really respond to what the critique actually is. and you have to at a certain point ask why they're not responding to it. >> yeah, and i think that's important. we in this business, we have to question ourselves and what we do and how we do it. i think it's fair to do so because it's our job to be informative. greg sargent, it's a pleasure. thank you so much. coming up, while the trump immunity decision makes it

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court judge tanya chutkan until next month when the supreme court officially issued its judgment in the immunity case. at that point, she would need to parse through what parts of the indictment could still be charged against trump and that would likely require -- that would likely require evidentiary hearings to be held. that would be the last opportunity before the election for jack smith to make public any of the damning evidence against trump, including the possibility of having high profile officials like trump's former vice president, mike pence, testify at the hearings. regarding the reports that trump's team is already preparing to fight to stop such hearings from occurring, according to the guardian in the coming months, trump's lawyers are expected to argue that the judge can decide whether the conduct is immune based on legal arguments alone, if prosecutors try to call pence or his chief of staff to testify about meetings where trump discussed stopping the january 6th

certification, trump would try to block that testimony by asserting executive privilege and having pence assert the speech or debate clause protection. joining me now is melissa murray, nyu law professor, msnbc legal analyst and cohost of the strict scrutiny podcast. what are the chances trump's lawyers can once again delay this? this hearing could be the only way the american people could hear from mike pence. is it possible they can stop it? >> i don't know if it's possible to stop it, but that's never been the goal. the goal, joy, has always been to delay as long as possible. my coauthor of the trump indictments, andrew weissmann said on many msnbc programs that this particular exdengsary hearing might be the only opportunity for the american public to have a full understanding of the evidence against donald trump. by having this hearing, it might be the closest thing he can get to a trial by jury, and i think that's the last thing that donald trump would like to see.

so here we have this move to get judge chutkan to decide this on the papers, to not hold any kind of hearing and to keep this evidence out of the public domain. >> how do we stop this case from going back to the supreme court? i feel like their best shot would be to somehow appeal her attempt to hold the evidentiary hearing and somehow get it back into the hands of the pro-insurrectionist majority on the court, because if they did that, we already know whether it's john roberts or alito or thomas, they'll shut it down. >> so that's a really interesting question. obviously, all roads do lead back to the supreme court. there would be a hearing before judge chutkan about whether or not the hearing could happen. that could be appealed onto the d.c. circuit and then any decision from the d.c. circuit could be appealed to the supreme court. the supreme court, however, does not have to take this. again, so many americans are up in arms about this immunity decision. 75% of americans don't believe that the president should have complete immunity from criminal

prosecution and they worry that although the court has not given the president complete immunity, it's opened a quite wide door to the president having immunity from criminal liability in the future and they're understandably upset about it. i wonder if the court which has to rely on public opinion to some degree for its own legitimacy, might think twice about taking up this case and handing another win to donald trump, but the delay is really where all of the action is. >> i believe it is -- the chances that they would take the case and protect him again are 100%. i don't think they care at all. i don't think they care at all. they have shown in the way they write and respond to the dissents, they don't care. they want trump back in. real quickly, on the casecare w to do. briefly on the case about him stealing classified documents and we know that aileen cannon is trying to help them out. is there some way that the concurrence written by clarence thomas could give her a leg to stand on to dismiss

that case? >> i think that concurrence is written entirely for an audience of one and that was judge cannon. that concurrence by justice clarence thomas, which no one else on the court joined, raised questions about the special counsel. this is something judge cannon already questioned and had an open hearing on in the courtroom weeks before. this only fuels that fire, so again i think it was tailor- made for judge cannon. others may disagree, but i think it has certainly stoked the flames of this particular argument. >> to circle back again to the case, if that hearing does happen, who would you as a legal professional most want to hear from? would it be mike pence? who would you most want to hear from and that hearing? >> it is the evidence that will be important. i'm not sure any one particular witness or any piece of evidence will be determinative,

but the entire tableau might be. i do think the evidence from former vice president mike pence about what happened on the day after he was pressured to delay the certification or reject the certification of the electoral college would be very important. we've talked about the different legal theories preventing it. it would be a problem. >> i'm with you on that. i would love to hear from him. melissa murray, thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up, trump is doing everything he possibly can to grift his supporters. now there is a two dollars bill with a mug shot for a mere $20. you cannot make this stuff up. . that's when we called leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter's patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. they gave us a free inspection and we had the system installed that week. my only regret is not calling them sooner. now we can focus on what we really enjoy. join millions of satisfied homeowners.

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hey everybody, it is rnc cochair lara trump. if you can't afford a donation today, i would ask that you would save it for a later date. if you can donate even as much as five dollars, it will go a long way. >> it is problematic enough that the new cochair of the republican national convention is trump's daughter-in-law, but there she is asking americans who can't afford five dollars to save for a future donation. donations that will truly go to trump's legal fees. but the concept of grafted did not start with trump. he is just the one who best spun them into gold. according to financial disclotrump reported making more than $1.6 billion in outside revenue and income during his four years as

president. it is not america without products, right? trump knows how to use them to squeeze small and large donors alike. trump university, a total scam. trump wine. for $99 you can smell like donald trump. victory cologne for men and victory preferring, a fragments for the trump woman who wants to topple democracy with a weft of citrus. the shoe line is just as ridiculous and gold, but also the greatest con. they were sold out so many who forked over the $400 selling price got counterfeits instead. sad. then there is the god bless the usa bible which includes the constitution, making this two things donald has never read. when it comes to that mug shot, let the dollar bills flow. trump raised $7.1 million from his marks, i mean his supporters, after his georgia

booking. for most people, racking up dozens of felony charges would be nothing to brag about, but for trumpet is a cash grab. remember those awful digital trading cards? now there is a special mug shot edition available that comes with a piece of trump's mugshots suit embedded in the card. now there is a new item as if a card wasn't enough. a two dollar bill emblazoned with trump's mugshots. behold the official advertisement. >> flanked by images of the flag and president trump's famous signature. his inmate number is inscribed below the photo. this full-color, commemorative two dollars bill can be yours for only $19.95. protect did by our 60 day moneyback guarantee. >> that is everything about american consumption gone horribly wrong. foxbusiness is playing that commercial and act fast because

there is a strict limit of five bills per caller. can we also note that it is $17.95 more than the value of an actual two dollar bill? for all of its absurdity, the grift is classic trump. repackaging corruption and lies into something that can enrich one man and his cronies. trump is a political hijacker, a fraudster, a snake oil salesman. he fused his empire to the presidency and still does. today he is back on the campaign trail rallying his supporters, meaning he can charge his attendees and the secret service premium prices to play along and we can laugh at the cringey, awful products, but there are people out there who will buy this stuff and even vote for him in november or not vote at all. remember trump is trying to pull off the greatest grift in the history of this country and maybe even the world and that is toppling our democracy all for personal gain.