at a trump rally you are not viewed as your profession, religion or the color of your skin. you are viewed is one thing. a american. last saturday was a jarring reminder of that we as americans must always remember, there is more that unites us than divides us. >> laura trump is the daughter- in-law of donald trump, she is number two in charge at the republican national convention, our coverage continues on the 11th hour. >> all donald trump wants to do and has ever wanted to do -- --

good evening once again, we are continuing msnbc's live coverage of night two of the 2024 republican national convention. tonight theme, make america safe again. the focus is on trump's plans for crying an indication which would include unprecedented mass deportations. rnc cochair laura trump is speaking now. other speakers include nikki haley, as well as ron as well as high profile congressional republicans like ted cruz. >> look at the border, it is the single biggest threat americans face. under biden migrants are coming in by the thousands every day. >> we in the republican party

are the law and order team, we always have been and always will be the advocates for the rule of law and we all know that principal as well as many others is in jeopardy. >> let's make the 45th president of the u.s. the 47th president of the u.s. let's elect republicans up and down the ballot and heed the call of our party's nominee to fight for these united states. >> here is more of laura trump speaking right now. >> the largest tax cuts in american history, our energy independence. massive amounts of red tape cut and no new wars when donald trump was president.

maybe, most importantly though, you can actually feel it in your everyday life. you did not half to love everything he tweeted what you cannot deny you were better off when trump was in office. americans were finally able to start saving money, home prices were affordable and gas hit a low of $1.97 per gallon. as i speak here tonight, many of our fellow americans do not know how they will pay for their next trip to the grocery store, new clothes for their children or this month's rent. many fellow americans worry we are on the verge of a major terror attack here on american soil. many of our fellow americans do

not think their own children will be able to establish a better life than they themselves currently have. many of our fellow americans are wondering how on earth this country could have moved in the wrong direction so quickly. the democrats and the media know they cannot convince you, the american people that your life is better off now because it is not. so what will they do? they will try to sell you on some outrageous narrative about the terrible things trump will do if he becomes president but you do not have to imagine what it would be like. just remember what it was like. yes.

i know what you hear out there about trump, i know what you read, what the media tells you and what out of touch celebrities on the left say about this man. when i look at donald trump, i see a wonderful father, father in law and of course grandfather to my two young children, luke and carolina. i know i am lucky enough to get to call him my father in law and see him a little differently than all of you but it is through that lens that i sometimes wish more people could see him. this is a man who has sacrificed for his family and a man who has truly sacrificed for his country.

donald trump did not need to run for president for fame, or money. we all know he had plenty of that. i will tell you why he did that and why he continues, even in the face of the unthinkable. because he loves this country. >> quick fact check for you, trump saying under donald trump americans were utter off across the board, according to a report yesterday, whether it is work wealth or wages americans are are off today under biden, she said trump will promise oil independence, important to note, under biden we are producing more oil than ever before in the third thing she pointed out is the pending

largest corporate tax cut ever. there is a good chance they will extend or make permanent the corporate tax cuts or maybe even lower them down to 15% but the problem is they have yet to articulate how they pay for it and if they extend or lower the corporate tax cuts it will balloon the deficit so there you have it, with that let's bring in nbc news correspondent , both in milwaukee tonight as well as the axial's political reporter joining us from dc. some up for us what tonight has been like in that arena. make america safe again. >> on the economic point, one of the biggest criticisms of nikki haley when she was running for the presidency against trump was that she would consistently come back to trump under his administration, the deficit ballooned more than any other administration ever.

that was one of her biggest criticisms, tonight we found her on the stage followed by ron, it was made clear by both of these former rivals of trump that the american people should make the decision like they have despite disagreements, that they should come around and rally and vote for trump because it is a choice between him and biden and i can tell you, i was sitting next to the south the carolina delegation and folks will recall, if you take them as a microcosm of the convention, all of their elected officials endorsed trump over nikki haley and i was talking to the voters in south carolina and the election results were decisive for trump which led to nikki haley been pushed out of the race. today there was some applause and a smattering of boos when she took the stage but the way she changed the dynamic by

specifically saying she strongly supports donald trump and made it a contrast between the two, it pushed aside all of the verbiage she used to describe trump months ago when she said he was toxic and he ballooned the deficit more than any other administration, or the only thing he sacrificed was hitting golf balls. so this is a different nikki haley then we have heard but not dissimilar from eight years ago when she implied he is a kindergartner and then a few months later endorsed him and served in his cabinet as the un ambassador, it is what the convention wanted and it is what the convention got. >> i will let you go, i know you have something coming up. michael you cover congress, what stuck out to you and why? >> there were a number of congressional lawmakers up there on the hill. one that was interesting was

tom, someone who has found himself in the crosshairs of former president trump to put it lightly. somebody that has sparred with the former president in the past, most notably he was ready for speaker in october following the ousting of former speaker mccarthy, the former president tanked that effort by tom and we have seen this minnesota republican find himself back in trump's inner circle and that culminated tonight with him giving a speech on the floor in support of trump so i think tom and his evolution in terms of his relationship with trump is a encapsulation of other republicans, people including ron and nikki haley. people that have at times sparred with the former president, found themselves at opposite ends of policy and political debates but at the end of the day have found

themselves back in the former president corner because at the end of the day it is trump's party, he showed it during the primary and tonight with having a wide variety of republicans stomp in his favor so we saw a lot of lawmakers bury the hatchet and find themselves aligned with the former president tonight. >> i did not see that from kevin mccarthy tonight, what's duck out to you? i know you are watching every speech and covering every headline. >> right, we will see how i can be here, this is not that important in the scope of what we have seen, it is important for the party if they want to convince skeptical voters to reach out and acknowledged the skepticism which is what nikki haley did and tried to turn it around and channel it towards trump but the bigger images are

still going to be what happened saturday and monday night as well when trump entered the arena in four years nobody will remember what ron said in his speech. the details tonight do not really matter, the tone and direction do and they are trying to signify that this is a united republican party. >> let's go back to what von was mentioning, nikki haley and her boomerang speech, her strong endorsement and with her strong endorsement tonight we should remind our audience of all of the things she has said about trump just this year when she was his opponent. >> many of the same politicians that now publicly embrace trump, privately trade him. they know what a disaster he has been and will continue to be for our party. trump cannot take a general election. trump was totally unhinged.

no matter what trump thinks, he cannot bully his way to the white house. it will not work. >> only somebody in the room can tell us, nikki haley is hugely popular with some republican voters but tonight and this week, is all about trump. how is she received in that room? >> that video right there, political whiplash hearing that and putting it side-by-side with the speech that nikki haley delivered tonight. when she came onto the stage there was some applause but there were some boos and at the end of the speech it was all applause for nikki haley. as you had mentioned, she mentioned early in the speech that she strongly endorses former president trump and she said, some people do not fully agree with donald trump, i can understand that. her being somebody that

obviously does not fully agree. she said at the end of the day trump is better than biden, this message was so key for trump and the republican party, you will remember, in some of the late state memories, nikki haley, even weeks after she dropped out of the race was still pulling a significant number of voters. still around 20% of the republican electorate which is significant when you talk about the closely watched election between trump and nikki haley. this as you mentioned, political boomerang, this change was significant for her but even more for trump and was necessary as he looked to unite the party and at the end of the day get a leg up on biden when it comes to voting in november. >> trump and his party keeps saying america is in the midst of a migrant crime wave but for fax six, the center for justice has done the work and they say there is zero data that shows any kind of search of crime

caused by immigrants and there is no evidence that immigrants commit crime more than nativeborn americans. we absolutely need to talk about immigration in this country, we need comprehensive immigration reform but don't we need to start getting honest before anything can happen? there is no massive migrant crime wave and it is a team tonight. >> the biden white house and campaign find themselves on the wrong side of anecdotes, they may be on the right side of data but anecdotes are power. you see republicans try to draw attention to that tonight with somebody whose family member was potentially and i do not know the precise details but i believe a migrant that crossed illegally. yes, the data in this is not entirely clean. there is no national registry

that keeps track of everything in a way that would be easy to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. on the anecdotal side there is powerful moments and there have been horrific stories that have drawn a lot of attention. those stories do not always get national media attention but he gets local media attention that is driving a lot of conversation and republicans want to talk about this. they think it is a issue that cuts in their favor and a policy issue that needs to be addressed. i do not have all the facts and figures in front of me on various crime data and what direction things are going in but it is clear that at least anecdotally, republicans think they have a powerful message that will resonate and that is something you want to continue to talk about. >> thank you for being here. great to have you on tonight. when we come back, democratic senator bob menendez found guilty in his corruption trial. we break down why this verdict

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quickly called for him to resign. on our air, new jersey senator corey hooker said he would lead the effort to expel him if he refuses to resign. >> reporter: bob menendez left federal court today a convicted criminal. >> i am deeply disappointed by the jury's decision. >> reporter: the jury finding him guilty of 16 counts including bribery, extortion and acting as a foreign agent. >> i never violated a public vote. >> reporter: now chuck schumer is joining a group of more than 30 democrats calling for the senator's resignation. prosecutors spent nine weeks proving he accepted thousands in cash, gold bars and a mercedes in exchange for actions that in part benefited the egyptian and qatari governments. all part of a wide-ranging scheme. >> his years of selling the

office to the highest bidder has come to a and. >> reporter: they accuse them of using his office to help to new jersey businessman to secure lucrative overseas business deals, they were also found guilty today. a third businessman he helped flipped after pleading guilty to purchasing him a mercedes and testified against him during the trial. photos from inside the house showed cash stuffed in jackets, shoes and bags which menendez tried to explain. >> i have withdrawn thousands in cash from my personal savings account which i have kept for emergencies and because of the history of my family facing confiscation in cuba. >> reporter: he said there were no bribes and some of the money belonged to his wife who said they took hundreds of thousands in cash and gold as gifts.

after the verdict the senator remained defiant. >> i have every faith that the law and the facts do not sustain that decision and we will be successful upon appeal. >> a federal prosecutor and a former district attorney for michigan, what should we know about the charges he was convicted of? they were pretty big and want to know about the sentencing as well. >> as we just heard, bribery, extortion, fraud, obstruction of justice and even acting as a foreign agent by assisting the government of egypt and qatar. those are serious charges. the obstruction of justice charge alone has a 20 year sentencing maximum. guidelines determine what a actual sentence will be. most defendants do not get the maximum but i would imagine this will be a sizable

custodial sentence. it will not be a sentence of probation or a matter of months. it will likely be a matter of years. >> in your piece for nbc today you argued this conviction debunks the republican talking point about the political weaponization of the doj. you make a great argument in the rational world but do you think this argument will actually see its way through? >> probably not to some people. it has been interesting that we have not heard a lot of conversation about this case from republicans and i think the reason is that it does not fit the narrative that biden has weaponized the doj and is using it to go after trump and his political rivals in a effort to interfere with the election. that is something that trump has claimed and it is something that people like marco rubio and judy vance and others seeking to curry favor from trump repeated and i think this

case is not received a lot of attention from the gop because it does not fit the narrative. what it shows is that the justice department does what it is supposed to do, to decide cases based on facts and law and not show any favor or disfavor based on political association, affiliation, beliefs or activity. one of the great hazards and losses we have suffered in the age of trump among other rings is this idea that the justice department is a partisan weapon. i worked at the justice department that i know the professionals there are nonpartisan and they go after the cases based on facts and law and that is what happened today in this conviction of robert menendez. >> that is a great point though, one would think republicans would be all over this thing, you are calling us corrupt, look at him, but you make the point.

they cannot do that and at the same time claim the doj has been weaponized. he has said he will appeal the charges, what would that look like? >> he has every right to appeal. first there will be a sentencing which is october 29. a sentence will be imposed and within 10 days of the sentencing a defendant must file a notice of appeal but it typically takes months. usually a different attorney pours over the record in the case and looks for errors. any evidence admitted that should not have been. testimony that violated the rules of evidence. was the verdict against the weight of the evidence. those are all questions that will be submitted to a court of appeal and if there was a error he is entitled to a new trial and the appellate court will take appropriate action but i will tell you, 85% of federal convictions, cases are upheld so i do not know if we have any

reasons apparent from what we have seen in public reporting, to suggest this case will be any different. >> thank you for joining us tonight. when we returned, a conversation i definitely want to have. this year's rnc is anything but normal. how the party of reagan is heading full steam ahead on the trump train. when our special coverage continues. erage continues.

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the bottom line to every single thing going on in this great country today is one thing. we have become totally unhinged if trump is not elected in november. >> there you go jim justice, the second night of the republican national convention just wrapped up but from the outside it looks normal but it is not at all. take trump's bp pick, senator jd vance of ohio. liz cheney has called out his positions on things like election results. the rule of law and how to handle russia's war in ukraine, adding the trump gop is no longer the party of lincoln, reagan or the constitution. you are in luck i have old- school republicans standing by.

>> we are getting older every day. >> a contributing writer at the atlantic, george your take on the rnc. before are watching, looking at flags, delegates and performers and thinking it is just like another convention. >> we were just talking about that in the green room and i said george orwell could not have scripted it better. everything is standing on its head. somebody said we are the party of the rule of law, speaker johnson. nominating a 34 time convicted felon. all of the religious stuff, god saved trump and let's not worry about the kids at the school shootings. this is a man of god? what are we talking about here? this is a man who sacrificed everything for his country? what are we talking about?

he is not capable of sacrifice or considering anybody other than himself and they are treating him like he has done everything for us. >> what? >> nikki haley, what was she doing? she goes through six months of her campaign and will not criticize trump and raises her hand when they ask if she will support a convicted felon and then she spends four weeks trashing him, including questioning his mental capacity and making good points about the budget deficit that skyrocketed during his administration. >> it will only balloon more if they extend the corporate tax cuts. >> then she made good points about national security and russia. this is make america safe again night and we want to turn russia over to europe and europe over

to the russians, what are we even talking about here? it is all just bizarre and stuff that does not fit with each other. i do not know what this party stands for other then we will follow trump over any cliff and take the country with us. >> your take on this convention? >> it is performative but i am not sure it is impactful with any persuadable voters and i think part of it is because there are very few persuadable voters out there arguably but with all of the chaos and confusion now, i do think voters distilled this down to a simple contrast that has not fundamentally changed over biden's age or the assassination attempt in pennsylvania. what i mean by that is in its simplicity. you have a criminal nominee in trump who incited violence to try to disrupt democracy, that is not an toward language after butler.

those are facts. on generally six, 2021 he incited violence to try to disrupt our democracy. you can talk policy as well in two different visions for the country and biden's vision glanced better with most voters, on the other side you have the aging president and i think many americans, this choice has not become harder as much as it has become clearer. they see the candidates in a singular fashion, trump as a criminal related to january 6 and biden as a aging president and you wonder about his fitness for office but which is more dangerous? i think there is clarity in that. let's talk about issues of reproductive freedom and income and equality and access to health care and education and defending the free world from vladimir. let's discuss policy as well but it gets in the weeds compared to the most defining

aspects of the candidates. i do not think the fundamentals of the race has changed like many experts think they have. >> am i chopped liver? >> you are the expert, >> you like me are heading to milwaukee tomorrow. you have been watching all day and yesterday, many of the people attending, many of the speakers are some of your oldest friends. what is it like for you? find you never liked them, you were in congress with a lot of them. >> blame him. >> stick with the theme of nominating a criminal. that is the dystopian part of nikki haley, marco rubio and ron tonight, how do you define that convention? by what was not said. it is one thing to flip-flop to

fall in line but to truly ignore the reality in which we are living and the danger of the politics that are reflected this past weekend and on january 6. the republicans in milwaukee right now are promoting a alternate reality that does not land with the facts. >> liz cheney said the gop is no longer the party of the constitution, i am guessing you agree with that but here is the tricky part. while the constitution is hugely important, it is not a key issue for voters, it is not something they think about or value in their day-to-day lives but it is essential for our democracy to function. >> absolutely, they do not appreciate how this ticket represents a direct threat to that. you have trump who lied about the election, and has been for four years and tried to overturn it using physical means and fried and jd vance, one of the things that bound

him to trump is that he swears, he told trump that he would have disapproved the electoral votes from the states that trump lost which is insane. they pretend to be the party of the will of the law but they forsake it, they for ticket for a man who continually violates law. has been no defense in the classified documents case. what are we even talking about? it is just insane. >> what are we even talking about? >> the blue chant tonight was odd considering the events of generally six. >> one more time. >> back the blue but they are turning their backs -- >> maybe they were listening to the speakers and they were saying back to blue.

>> trump and jd vance agree on many issues. business is not one of them and trump sees himself and the republican party about free markets, jd vance is more populist, anti-mergers and acquisitions, he worked with elizabeth warren on regulation to clawback bonuses from bank execs. how do you see this getting squared between the two? >> i see jd vance is the josh holly wing of the party. >> the holly wing likes the trump wing. >> because trump is agnostic, if it gets him where he needs to get that is fine. he will promote a 10% tariff or whatever tariff he is suggesting and to wall street

comes and says you cannot do that and then he says okay i will not do it. so i think jd vance fits into that portfolio of trump's tools for conflict does not matter when it comes to ideology for trump but this is a area where biden has 100 days to run the race. you hit the airwaves on issues of reproductive freedom, tariffs, taxes and the economy and that vision of jd vance and trump versus biden, that contrast is real. >> before we go, obviously you are a conservative lawyer, what your reaction to these reports that biden is considering supreme court term limits. >> i think it is a good idea to try to do something like that. i think we can take some pressure off the nomination hearings if you can figure out a way to allow each president to pick somebody new every two years and i think there is a path to do it constitutionally but i think it is tricky. i think you will have to do

something that makes the supreme court more like the intermediate courts of appeals. you basically do not have the entire court sitting on a entire case or every case and it will be tricky to implement but anything that would depoliticize the supreme court at this point i think is a good idea. >> excellent gentlemen. thank you. when we return, calls from democrats for biden to drop out of the race have quieted down but have they gone away? how he is trying to rally the democratic party when the 11th hour continues. hour continues.

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truman said if you want a friend in washington, get a dog. guess what, the last couple of weeks, i know what he means. >> welcome to the doghouse, biden promised voters tonight at a convention in vegas that he is all in to seek reelection and although the attempted assassination of trump has cooled party talk of replacing biden as the nominee it has not calmed anxiety over the state of the race, the new york times reporting in a private meeting at them shift warned of a democratic what about if biden continues his campaign. i want to bring in doug jones of alabama. simone sanders, cohost of the

morning show the weekend and former chief spokesperson of vice president harris. the dnc is officially moving to nominate biden next week, what will it look like? >> i think it will look like a nominating process and that is what it is going to be. the fact of the matter is the president said he is running, we may as well move forward with this. any naysayers are going to have to depend on the dnc. they would do this, it seems clear this will happen. i understand there is still anxiety but two weeks ago, all of the folks in the house and senate, everybody was telling the president you got to get out and do this, give more speeches and interviews, he has been doing exactly that and knocking it out of the park. he may need to make a few more phone calls or meet with them

in person but he has been out there with the people and folks are responding so at this point it looks like the dnc is moving forward. >> what do you think simone? doug said the president is listening, he is doing interview after interview with the goal of regaining confidence from some folks in the party, is it working? >> there is a difference between the donors and the members of congress and then the voters and the people. i saw clips of biden at the convention, he was quoting a lot of local scriptures, the people were on their feet, it seemed similar to the crowd in michigan last weekend that the president addressed but to hear members of congress still need to hear more, it does fly in the face of the process so it seems like some of the members do not understand the process. harrison was going back and forth on x today.

the membership voted for this in the spring. 300 members voted to go to a virtual nominating process in the spring so this idea that this is a last minute scramble, it is not because they voted for this in the spring. i think that point is important. >> i want to play what larry of uva said yesterday about the biden campaign. >> biden will have to revive his candidacy and i do not know you can do it when you already picked a vp and the convention is at the end of august when a lot of people are on vacation. this is not ideal for biden but he will have to make the best of it. >> he is talking about mojo at the convention. >> i think conventions are a opportunity to energize people. the last go around it was a virtual situation so i think

this will be energizing. i have been watching clips of the rnc convention, the delegates are fired up. they are fired up behind stuff the democrats are not fired up about that that is what the conventions are for, it is a injection of energy into the party base. i think the democrats need that. if members of congress keep undercutting the nominee on the record or in the background, at some point they will have to make a decision ride with biden loudly or get off the train but otherwise they risk damaging him behind repair, the people who are pulled watch television and read the news and if members of congress are saying we are going to lose the people will say we are going to lose. it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. >> biden is expected to announce support for major supreme court reforms including

term limits and the ethics bill. a good headline but do you ink, george conway just said this thing is tricky, difficult to get done. do you think there is a chance he can get done or is it too late or could have impact on the campaign trail? >> it is too late to get it done, it will never get done in our lifetimes given the polarization we have in congress now. the only way you could ever get done is if all of a sudden it looks like the republicans they are about to lose the supreme court they may all of a sudden want to do this but the fact that the matter is, it is a message and people are fed up with the way the court has been going the last few years so they want to do something and they want to see the president to something. it is a energizing thing. i want to go back to what simone said. i think it is important to remember this. the polls all of these people

are whining about now, are not based on that debate performance, it is based on all of the crap you hear behind the scenes. people moaning and groaning and the media for two weeks was talking about biden getting out and this was a disaster. this is based on three weeks of bad media. not a debate performance. the president has been out there busting it and doing a heck of a job in doing what he is supposed to do and in the middle of that, had nato leaders in dc to shore up democracy in the alliances that are important. when the opposite in the republican party, putting the head of the russian wing of the republican party judy vance as the number two on this ticket. the contrast continues to grow and that is also something biden can latch onto and build

the enthusiasm going into the convention. >> we ran out of time, i was about to put simone on the spot to talk about bad media and we need to take a close look at what we are doing, i will talk about it during the commercial. great to see you. thank you for joining us, we will be right back. t back. voltaren... for long lasting arthritis pain relief. (♪♪)

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