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right now on "ana cabrera reports," stepping into the spotlight. it is day three of the rnc, and j.d. vance's chance to address the nation. what to expect from his prime time speech in milwaukee. plus, friends and enemies, donald trump's rivals pledge their support on the convention stage, but will their supporters buy it? also ahead, we have new reporting on president biden's campaign, from a tightening inner circle to a new democratic push to delay the nomination. and later, resign or face expulsion, democrats giving senator bob menendez an ultimatum after his sweeping guilty verdict. ♪♪ good morning, it is 10:00 eastern, i'm ana cabrera
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reporting from new york, and today a one-term senator will take center stage at the rnc. it's day three and j.d. vance's opportunity to introduce himself to the country. this time as donald trump's running mate. day two saw trump's once bitter rivals turned cheerleaders, ron desantis and nikki haley voicing support for trump and calling for republican unity. >> i'll start by making one thing perfectly clear, donald trump has my strong endorsement, period. [ applause ] >> my fellow republicans. let's send joe biden back to his basement and let's send donald trump back to the white house. let's head to milwaukee now, msnbc anchor katy tur is joining us from the convention site along with david drucker, senior writer at the dispatch, and greg
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bluestein, political reporter for "the atlanta journal-constitution." great to see all of you this morning. quite a show of unity around donald trump last night. what did you make of it? >> reporter: i got to tell you, ana, walking around this convention hall, there is nothing but unity among the republicans who have assembled here, and obviously these are some of the most ideological of the republicans, they're the ones who are most fervently in support of trump, but everybody here is on the same page. and notably last night we saw some former rivals of donald trump who have said not nice things about him this the past take the stage. marco rubio obviously from 2016, but also governor desantis who ran against him in this primary and nikki haley who for a time wasn't even invited to this convention, that is until saturday. there's some discussion over what time exactly she was invited, but she took the opportunity to get on stage and to change her mind, i'll put it that way, about donald trump.
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here's what she used to say about the republican nominee, and here is what she's saying now. >> the problem now is he is not the same person he was in 2016. he is unhinged. he is more diminished than he was. you don't have to agree with trump 100% of the time to vote for him. take it from me, i haven't always agreed with president trump, but we agree more often than we disagree. >> to we agree more often than we disagree from he is unhinged. that is a big journey to cross, nikki haley did it last night, and it's so important for the republican party because nikki haley garnered a significant amount of support in the primaries. obviously not enough to win, not by a long shot, but enough to potentially be a spoiler for the republican party. her voters were voting for her because they did not want to vote for donald trump, and that
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was really proven after she got out of the race, ana, and she was still getting 10, 13% in states that she wasn't even running in any longer. so this was her attempt to tell those moderate republicans, those non-maga republicans that it's better inside the tent than outside the tent. donald trump, even if you don't agree with him all the time, he is still better than the alternative. >> yeah, one point she said on the campaign trail that donald trump was unfit to be commander in chief, referring to some of the comments he had made about those in the military. david, it's been quite the transformation of not just what we're hearing from nikki haley but really more broadly of the republican party. for years the gop has been dogged by infighting on the hill. there's been this fractured ideology between maga supporters, never trumpers, the de facto head of their party was repeatedly indicted and then convicted, and yet, now they appear firmly in lock step, what
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do you make of it? >> well, it's really interesting. i've been covering the republican party for the better part of 25 years. there are always pockets of resistance, sometimes louder than others at events like this. the delegates that i'm talking to here in milwaukee tell me they don't recall a convention that has ever been this unified, at least not in decades. and it's now democrats, of course, that are having unity issues. you know, i think for nikki haley and ron desantis, there are a couple of ways to look at this. it's pretty common in american history for these primaries to be pretty knock down drag out and then everybody comes together when it's time to focus on the opponent in the other political party. it's just that in the trump era, these attacks and these disagreements have been of a personal nature, not just of a policy nature, and so it really sort of blows even's mind when you can see a nikki haley or a ron desantis get on stage and endorse trump and advocate for his re-election, given the things he said about them and
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the personal things that they've said about him, but when you look at where the general election stands today with donald trump the favorite and in a very commanding position doing better in swing states than he is nationally, i think a lot of republicans who are thinking of voting against trump or for biden or writing in somebody just as a protest, right now those numbers are not nearly as significant as they were just a couple of months ago just because of how the former president is doing in the polls. >> all that being said, greg, there have been some notable absences at the convention, including former president bush, trump's own former vp, mike pence, senator mitt romney, liz cheney, some of these folks who have spoken out against him in the past, even former speaker paul r ryan, he's not going to at the rnc, which is happening in his home state. plenty of unity on display last night, but are there also cracks
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beneath the surface? >> there are cracks beneath the surface. if you ask the delegates if they mind if mitt romney is here, they will laugh it off. they say this is the party of trump. a perfect example of that, i'm out in rural wisconsin right now, and there's few people who have as much problems, as much reason to oppose donald trump as georgia governor brian kemp. he was wrongly blamed by trump for trump's 2020 defeat. he got death threats. he was the target of conspiracy theories. and where was governor brian kemp yesterday, he was here in wisconsin rallying republicans to vote for donald trump. so, you know, if the bushes of the world aren't here, delegates don't mind, they say that basically. >> david, i want to focus on the trump family. in his prior campaigns, it was ivanka trump, jared kushner,
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melania trump that were trump's inner circle. it's a different troika this time. lara trump and her husband eric trump have emerged in the campaign as the most influential set inside the trump family. >> i think we can focus on donald trump jr. more than any of the other two, even though lara trump is co-chairman of the republican national committee. donald trump jr. has always been known as the real republican within the trump family. he was republican before anybody else was including his father, and he is a conservative populist. he's the one that pushed hard for senator j.d. vance to be selected as the running mate. he is decidedly not a reagan era republican and really comes to these positions authentically, whereas his father is much more transactional. but i really think the key difference in the trump campaign this time around in terms of,
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you know, donald trump is the same in many respects, but this operation is so disciplined and professional in a way that 2016 was not. i think 2020 was, but i think susie wiles and chris lava vee ta are able to bend trump's ear and get trump to pay attention in ways that even his 2020 cam pan team was not able to do. and i think that's made a huge difference in terms of giving trump an opportunity to take advantage of really in some cases just the good luck that has come his way. >> katie, you spoke with eric trump on your show yesterday, and i want to play a little bit of your conversation. >> can you say unequivocally that if he does get into office that he will not allow the federal government to use its powers to make abortion even harder from a federal government perspective, to not use the comstock act. >> yes. >> to make it illegal to send abortion pills or tools.
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>> i think the answer is yes. >> i think the answer is yes. that doesn't sound definitive. how did you interpret that answer? >> reporter: anytime you use think it doesn't sound definitive. this is an area where donald trump and the campaign have tried to distance themselves from project 2025, from j.d. vance even. donald trump says over and over again it is up to the states. obviously he is a person who put into the supreme court the justices who overturned roe v. wade, and he has said he's proud of it. it's something he said he would do in 2016. that's something he did while he is president. he was president, and it's something that he has said he's proud of now that he is no longer president. that being said, he believes or he says at least that this should be a decision that is left up to the states. that's been met with some consternation within the more conservative wing of the republican party evangelicals who think he should take it further. obviously in project 2025
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they're arguing to utilize the comstock act, to send tools used for abortions, also maybe to use the fda to restrict the abortion pill even further. we've seen the abortion pill used much more in the wake of the overturning of roe v. wade now accounting for most of the abortions out there. so i thought it was really important to ask eric trump about this because we're all here talking about what happened on saturday, which is also porn, and there's talk about how donald trump's going to change his tone. it's going to be a different convention. there's more unity. we've seen moments of that, but i'm very curious about whether this changes any of the policy, any of what he will do when he gets into office. and one of those policies that the democrats are running on is that they believe he's going to try to make abortion even harder to get. so asking eric trump that was my effort to try to get somebody on the record within the trump campaign that they would unequivocally not do it. then again, you can only listen to the guy at the top, and the
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guy at the top is his father, donald trump. >> we now know his running mate is j.d. vance who has been very, very i guess vocal about his position on abortion in the past, which goes much further than the current stance. the front runner or the top of the ticket, i should say, is advocating -- and that's the states get to pick, so we're going to hear from j.d. vance tonight, greg, at the rnc and his big headlining speech. what are you going to be watching for? >> well, his tone and tenor, just like katy said, whether or not he'll have a more conciliatory appeal or if he'll go all in. the delegates i interviewed before j.d. vance was picked were supportive of him. these are some of the fiercest donald trump supporters. it's hard to be a delegate and be kind of wishy-washy about where things stand in republican politics today. these are the delegates that want to go all in, who want a more youthful, you know, maga successor in case anything
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happens to the former president, and so they want to see, the delegates here want to see a fierce conservative come out and take an unapologetic sort of angle. of course we heard from nikki haley last night talking about how the republican party should expand and be more big tent and go towards some of those mainstream disaffected voters who might not love donald trump but they're worried about joe biden as well. we'll see if he tries to strike that balance. i think he's going to go with the former option and go all in on the far right. >> we'll have a lot of eyes on that speech tonight. katy, you'll have a lot more from the rnc all day and on your show at 3:00 p.m. eastern. more from milwaukee ahead this hour, and how kamala harris is already taking on j.d. vance. also, a new push to delay president biden's nomination from within his own party. plus, guilty of bribery and corruption. will democrats boot senator bob menendez from the senate if he
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the case, why didn't security stop the shooter from getting up onto the roof. nbc's stephanie gosk has the latest from pennsylvania. stephanie. >> reporter: the trump campaign tells nbc news that they were told, in their words, in passing about an elevated threat towards the former president, but nothing about that threat coming from iran. even so, security around donald trump was ramped up even before he got here to that rally in pennsylvania. in the weeks leading up to donald trump's rally in pennsylvania, we're now learning there was already increased security around the former president after u.s. officials obtained intelligence that there may be an iranian plot to assassinate him. the national security council emphasizing there's no connection between the alleged iranian threat and saturday's shooting by gunman thomas crooks. >> we have people -- >> right there, right on the
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roof. >> reporter: from the republican convention, eric trump vented his frustration over the security operation at his father's rally. >> there was a breakdown, they better get to the bottom of it. >> reporter: according to multiple officials who have spoken with nbc news, there were warnings about crooks before he opened fire. butler township manager tom nights says one of his police officers locked eyes with the gunman on the rooftop. >> he was able to pull his head up over the roof. he did, in fact, see an individual on the roof with a weapon. >> reporter: night says that officer was responding to a report of a suspicious person and that other police officers helped boost him up to take a look. >> and what did the shooter do? >> turned towards him, had the barrel of his weapon pointed at the officer. >> and at that point the officer's hanging on to the side of the roof? >> yes, yes. >> unable to pull a gun out. >> unable to -- unable to defend himself, unable to reach his radio. >> any of that, yeah, yeah. strictly defensive movement for
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him to lower his head, duck. >> reporter: night says butler township police department was not the local agency responsible for securing the rooftop. the secret service says the building was outside their security perimeter and was primarily the responsibility of local law enforcement. secret service director kimberly cheadle telling abc news the agency decided to secure the building from the inside for safety concerns because of its sloped roof at its highest point. the secret service has not responded to nbc news's multiple requests for comment. in a recent statement on x, they said they are grateful to local and state law enforcement for the assistance they have received. they also said they are deeply grateful of to those officers who located the gunman and ran towards danger. we are also learning from senator chuck schumer's office that later today all of the senators will be briefed on the failed assassination attempt from the doj, the fbi, and the secret service. back to you. >> stephanie gosk, thank you. and just in during her reporting, we learned that the
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house will also receive an all house briefing from the fbi and dhs officials today. joining us now is former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence frank figliuzzi. as we reported, there was already increased security around the former president over this iranian plot. so were they just too focused on that threat and missed signs elsewhere? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, nothing we saw saturday looked like enhanced security, increased security. it looked like they were trying to counter a state sponsor terrorist nation, trying to attack their protectee. this all hinges on the secret service's decision to put that building outside their perimeter and essentially, it sounds like, wash their hands of that building. that makes no sense, particularly sense we've learned of this foreign state sponsored threat, which must be taken seriously, by the way. iran has the capacity to do this
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through hezbollah, even possibly hamas. they want vengeance for trump killing their general, qassem soleimani. we need answers on that. it's not enough for the service to say it wasn't our building. point a finger over there. they own this decision. and the decision was wrong, so i'm more interested, though, i've got to tell you in not what happened saturday but why we are in this position. why the secret service has gotten to the point of what i think is over reliance on local and state police departments. this signals that they're under staffed, stretched too thinly. they're being stretched more thinly because they've just taken j.d. vance and his wife, family. this is a problem going forward, and you can't delegate and outsource the protection of the president of the united states or a nominee. you just can't doe do it. we need to get them the
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resources they need to do their job. the investigation must move swiftly. president biden has ordered a so-called independent investigation. i have lack of clarity on what that means and who's doing that, but he needs to select those investigators quickly. >> and the crime scene is still being surveyed and evidence collected. we are seeing police activity just this morning on that roof there in butler, pennsylvania. and one thing that stands out to me, frank, that we saw in stephanie's report was the description of the events in the moment when a police officer was apparently hoisted onto the roof and came face to face with this shooter but was apparently hanging or something, had both hands on the roof, peered his head up and over, didn't have a -- wasn't in a position to grab his gun or his radio or anything. have they been -- should they have been in that position at all? i mean, if this building was flagged, why wasn't the secret service there? >> so at the heart of any
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catastrophic failure that i've ever investigated -- and i had that job for a while in the fbi as chief inspector, there was a total lack, a breakdown of communications. we're going to find that these departments didn't know who was doing what. they thought one department had it, the other department had it, i thought the secret service was covering the roof, no, you're covering the roof. at the point a local officer is hanging by his fingertips off a roof, something is horribly broken, and we need those answers. >> frank figliuzzi, thank you so much for helping us understand what's going on and what we can expect and the tough questions that need to be asked. up next on "ana cabrera reports," president biden's tightening inner circle as he faces a new democratic push to delay the nominating process. plus, vance's big moment as he takes the rnc spotlight for his speech tonight, but should we expect a maga rallying cry or a call for unity? more from milwaukee after a short break. p
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. is the fight over whether president biden will remain the democratic nominee over? nbc news has new reporting that the president is privately conveying to democrats that the conversation is over. we're also learning he's relying more and more on a tight circle of long-time advisers who support his path ahead. the president also hitting the campaign trail hard and backing a long-time progressive goal reforming the supreme court. but all of that still doesn't seem to have won over everyone in the party. a new group of house democrats is reportedly working to delay biden's nomination until the democratic convention next month, and congressman adam schiff, california's democratic senate nominee reportedly warning a group of donors over the weekend, quote, if he is our nominee, i think we lose.
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let's go to nbc news white house correspondent monica alba. the president wants the questions about his future to end. they haven't exactly. walk us through more of how he's trying to get democrats back on board. >> well, it's notable, ana, that these were conversations that took place over the weekend on saturday before the assassination attempt on donald trump. the president was really focused on engaging with lawmakers who have raised concerns about his candidacy, about his path it forward and in one of those virtual calls with the congressional progressive caucus, he told them and teased that there would be a major announcement coming soon with regards to proposed changes to how the supreme court operates, and he indicated to this group, according to sources familiar with the call that he had really been talking to constitutional scholars about this for some time, and some of the things that we understand are under consideration are things like term limits for justices and an enforceable ethics code, which
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is something that people have been calling for, of course, with major questions ab the court and the justices, but we have to note here the reality check on all of this is that it would really require congressional approval, and that is a real uphill climb. that is why he's trying to engage with democrats and say let's work together on this as something that could potentially happen down the road if a lot of other things align, ana. >> and monica, as we mentioned, the president has been hitting the campaign trail hard, he's been doing more interviews, more remarks at events, what has he been saying, what's his message? >> he's back on the campaign trail. yesterday he was speaking at the naacp convention in las vegas, and he was talking very specifically about how he's trying to draw a contrast with donald trump's policies, of course with the republican agenda that we're seeing on display all week in milwaukee. he also talked about his own vice president. it's notable in the context of all of these questions swirling about the future, and he says he's remaining in the race, but if something were to change,
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what would happen there. listen to how he talked about that in the context of his larger message to black voters. >> i love this phrase black jobs. it tells a lot about the man and about his character. folks i know what a black job is, it's the vice president of the united states! >> and today, ana, he is back on the campaign trail, he is still there in nevada, and he will be trying to take his re-election pitch to latino voters. >> monica alba, thank you, keep us posted, and now i want to bring in democratic strategist basil smikle and republican strategist susan del percio. both are msnbc political analysts. i'm thinking back to the first couple of weeks after the debate, basil, and seeing the president was really working the phones, now we're reporting that he's growing kind of frustrated by some of the calls, and he is now relying on a tighter group of advisers as he pushes forward.
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what do you make of that? >> well, he said from the very beginning he's not getting out, and even if privately there was an attempt to do so, the fact that this conversation has become so public is really -- is likely the biggest drag on the polls more so than the actual debate performance, and so for him, he's like, yeah, i got 3,000 delegates come get them, and there doesn't seem to be a clear alternative. for all of those members who have said that she should get out, they haven't in the same breath said that kamala harris should be the next person up to bat here, and to me that's very striking. why not kamala. this open casting call has also created a huge problem because there's no clear path for them to explain how with any level of certainty that whoever comes after joe biden or replaces him would do significantly better. there is no clear evidence that that's the case, and in the absence of that, just get behind the guy. he's your nominee.
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>> and so before you respond, because i know you have thoughts on this always, susan, take a look at some of this nbc polling that came before the assassination attempt on donald trump, but it showed that 33% of democrats said they were satisfied with joe biden as their candidate versus 71% of republicans who say they're satisfied with donald trump. there is a huge gap there in terms of that satisfaction with their candidate. what's the big takeaway? >> the big takeaway for me is that for some reason they think there's another candidate out there. they think there's an option. this narrative that's been growing since the debate, and basil touched on it, is that there's a choice out there because the polling shows other governors being polled and other people. or the vice president. it's just crazy that the polling and the public and the people calling for joe biden to think about it are actually the ones who are dragging him down and
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dragging down the ticket, frankly. >> where does this leave us? president biden's trying to offer up some policy ideas and he's talking about the supreme court and reforming the supreme court, term limits, an enforceable code of ethics. these are things progressives have wanted for years. could this energize the base? >> well, two things. one, i do think that progressives have been calling for this. they've been calling for stacking the court for a very long time. this has now migrated from progressives being potentially energized by this to many americans, most americans in this regard. this issue of trying to create reforms for the court, i think everybody -- well, scratch everybody, but a good chunk of the american voter believes that it is right thing to do, the right direction to go in and hopefully this will create a very important sort of koun counterbalance to what we're seeing at the republican
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convention right now. >> president biden has had a couple of big interviews, with lester holt, yesterday he spoke with bet, he addressed some of the criticism about how on the 2020 campaign trail, he was a transitional candidate. listen to how he's explaining his thinking and why he's still in this race. >> i said i was going to a transitional candidate, and i thought that i'd be able to move from this just to pass it on to somebody else, but i didn't anticipate things getting so, so, so divided. and quite frankly, i think the only thing age brings is a little bit of wisdom. >> susan, your reaction? >> not the right answer. >> what is the right answer? >> i believe the right answer is he should have said i got in this in 2020 to defeat donald trump and right now i am still the only one who can now defeat him in 2024. he should be on the -- instead of explaining and defending, he should be on the offense, and
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really, that's his biggest reason is staying viable to a lot of people and why he sailed through the primaries. no one in the polling looked like they could take on donald trump. so say it, just say it, the job isn't done because donald trump is still a threat, and right now the only person who has beaten him is me. it really kind of would strengthen his. >> when he says it's so, so, so divided, i didn't see that coming. was that a strong answer in your mind? >> he should articulate what that unfinished business is. one of the things i'd love to see him and the party do, if project 2025 goes agency by agency, how things will change, he should be able to talk about agency by agency, how does this affect the life of every voter, how his administration is going to actually do better, so create that clear contrast and alternative. it's incredibly important.
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if 2020 was about trying to get us back to normalcy, 2024 is about trying to keep the country from going into a sort of deeper hole here from a policy perspective politically, so i think it's a winning message b but he's just got to articulate harder. >> basil smikle, susan del percio, thank you, both. tonight in milwaukee, the newest name on the republican ticket will step up to the mic. ohio senator j.d. vance is the headliner tonight in his first speech since trump tapped him as his running mate. the speech will serve as an introduction to the senator who was only elected to the senate two years ago, after launching to national prominence with his memoir "hillbilly elegy." what can we expect when vance takes the stage tonight? >> j.d. vance is half the age of donald trump, and we should expect a message that is heavy on his biography, introducing himself to the country. he's only been in the u.s. senate for about 18 months mow,
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elected in 2022, and of course there are some folks that have read "hill billy elegy," it was a best seller. you can expect him to drive home the message of growing up in poverty in appalachia, the need for tariffs. donald trump has supported 10% tariffs on goods coming into the country. you can expect him to have a strict on immigration message, and expect to have him detail this kind of populist maga message that donald trump has led over these last years and turned j.d. vance from a critic to a now outlie. for j.d. vance, he is the first veteran to be on major presidential ticket since john mccain in 2008. so for him this is going to be his moment to introduce himself to the country. and we have new reporting, vaughn, that vice president kamala harris and senator vance spoke yesterday. what can you tell us about that conversation? >> right, we know from the two sides that the current vice
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president called up j.d. vance on monday after he was formally nominated to be the republican nominee after donald trump made that announcement. the two then connected when j.d. vance called her back yesterday, and j.d. vance described it as a cordial and kind conversation, brief conversation, that there was a general discussion about having the debate potentially on august 13th, less than a month from now, but they did not hammer down specifics. so we should expect those two to be up on stage, but both sides described it as cordial. kamala harris did release a video this morning just a bit ago in which she described j.d. vance as being a rubber stamp to donald trump whose loyalty would first come to him. >> we're just getting some new developments on one of the topics related that we've been discussing and that is when the nominating process will actually begin for democrats and the biden/harris ticket. as we're just here learning now, convention rules, the committee that is in charge of adopting those rules says they will not adopt the final rules on august
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1st, meaning that there will be no voting on the party's nominee. august 1st, would be the earliest any of that could happen. thank you very much for bringing us the latest from the rnc as we're learning more about the dnc. so many developments this morning. we are learning that former trump adviser peter navarro will speak at the republican national convention this evening hours after walking out of a miami federal prison following a four-month sentence. you'll recall in september he was convicted of contempt of congress for defying a congressional subpoena to produce documents, and to testify before the january 6th committee. trump has said he would, quote, absolutely rehire navarro if he is reelected. up next on "ana cabrera reports," growing calls for senator bob menendez to resign after he was found guilty on all charges in his bribery trial. plus, i'll talk to a former dhs secretary about the
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welcome back. we have video just in from arkansas where emergency water rescues are underway after heavy flooding overnight. thunderstorms dropped nearly a foot of rain in parts of north central arkansas, and you can see those flood waters washing out a bridge here in yellville. the flood waters also ripped up roadways, submerged homes and businesses and forced evacuations. the national weather service is now urging residents across yellville and surrounding areas to seek higher ground warning this is a life-threatening situation. we'll keep on top of that. turning now to washington and this ultimatum, resign or face expulsion. that's the choice more and more senate democrats are giving new jersey senator bob menendez after a federal jury convicted him on all six 16 counts in his bribery trial. his fellow new jersey senator
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cory booker vowing to lead the charge to oust menendez if he doesn't go willingly. >> he must stand up now and leave the senate. he must do that, and if he refuses to do that, many of us -- and i will lead that effort -- to make sure that he's removed from the senate. >> nbc's ali vitali joins us now from capitol hill. how loud are these calls, and is there any sign they're getting through to menendez? >> reporter: ana, more than 40 senate democrats is a pretty loud call, and you heard from senator booker there, the junior senator from new jersey that if menendez himself does not choose to resign, then he is going to lead the charge to make sure that he's ousted this body. what that would require is the senate ethics committee to do their own investigation. of course they can lean on what's been reported publicly, what's already been done in the courts and of course those guilty verdicts delivered yesterday, but then of course the senate would have to actually vote by a two-thirds
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majority to expel menendez from their ranks. what's important here and why we have seen more senators come out in the aftermath of that verdict, is one, some of them said they wanted to see that justice be served. in this instance the court has worked its will. also i'll draw you to a statement in chuck schumer who made clear in light of this guilty verdict he said yesterday in a statement, senator menendez must do what is right for his constituents, the senate and our country and resign. >> senator menendez is promising to appeal his conviction. how could that impact a bid to run for re-election as an independent. >> that bid always was contingent on what happened in the courts and largely on his exoneration, but you listen to the person who's challenging menendez and has from the very moment that these allegations became public, congressman andy kim, he's talking about not just the impact for menendez but more broadly that the public is seeing corruption in its face just like this, watch. >> 84% of people in new jersey
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surveyed believe that their elected officials are corrupt. how can a democracy function? how can my state be able to manage all the challenges that we face with that much distrust? do the right thing for us and allow us to be able to move forward, turn the corner, and try to restore a sense of integrity. >> reporter: we're waiting for action and decision from menendez on three fronts. on the first front legally he's going to appeal this decision. politically, though, in the senate does he continue to try to serve his term, and then of course politically on the campaign trail, does he continue to try to run for re-election? all of those open questions at this point. >> ali vitali on capitol hill for us, thanks. up next on "ana cabrera reports," finger pointing over the security lapses tied to the assassination attempt of donald trump. we'll get insight from a former homeland security secretary after a quick break. homeland se after a quicbrk eak.
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assassination attempt of a former president are just getting started. the homeland security inspector general has just opened an investigation, and the house oversight committee plans to subpoena the director of the secret service if she doesn't appear willingly or voluntarily at a hearing monday to answer questions about what went wrong. that as we learn new details about security in the lead up to the rally, including that the secret service actually ramped up security around donald trump in recent weeks over intelligence about an airanian plot to assassinate him. mr. secretary, thanks for coming. if this was increased security at the rally, how in the world did that shooter get up on the roof? >> i don't have a good answer for that. i think that that is one of many hard questions that need to be asked as part of an independent investigation, which the
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president called for. i was the cabinet level supervision for the secret service for three years, i was a protectee of the secret service for three years. the secret service has to pitch a no-hitter every game, because if everybody gets on base the result is catastrophic. and it's not an accident that no one has shot at a president or a former president or a candidate for president in 43 years. a lot of that is due to the hard work, investigative work of the secret service, interdicting threats at their earliest stages. having said that, some hard questions do need to be asked. i'm guessing, educated guess, is that this campaign rally was organized very hastily, very quickly, secret service is responsible for securing the perimeter of the immediate event. >> wouldn't that include a building that's in sight?
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>> that was my thought. anything or anyone with a direct line of fire on the protectee has to be secured. my thoughts have gone this week to 1963. there were people on the street in dallas who observed lee harvey oswald in the book depository with the open window and rifle and just assumed he was security. secret service has to secure any direct line of fire, any rooftop, any open window, especially one only 148 yards from where the protectee is going to be. >> you mentioned lee harvey oswald and there's almost a similar type of situation here that's been reported, and that is there were people who were alerting law enforcement around of a suspicious individual. >> correct. >> so the fact that they didn't necessarily secure this individual, confirm that he wasn't a threat before donald trump got on that stage, should they have allowed donald trump to get on that stage at all?
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>> what i suspect -- and we're going to know a lot more about this in a matter of days, weeks, months, moment by moment, i'm sure of that, with multiple investigations going on. i suspect that one of the conclusions that will be reached is that there was a massive failure of prompt, timely communication. you're right, people observed the shooter on the rooftop, apparently law enforcement observed the shooter on the rooftop, so there must have been some sort of communications breakdown between those who observed the shooter and the former president's immediate security detail, who have what i have in my ear right now. >> and i think the timing is fuzzy on who knew what went. so even if donald trump had started his speech and there's reporting about a suspicious individual in the area, should they have pulled him off the
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stage? would that be typical protocol? >> of course if there's a suspicious individual in the direct line of fire, you don't let the protectee get out of the armored suburban. there's a lot of gray right now and one of the things i learned when i was in office, is first reports of events are very often wildly inaccurate. ana, i have to say, a lot of people have been asking why, how could this happen. part of it is an obvious failure on the part of the secret service to adequately predict this. a lot has to do with the overheated political rhetoric and overheated political environment in which we now exist, and let's not forget the prevalence of guns in america. it is far too easy for a deranged 20-year-old to get his hands on an ar-15, which in my judgment is a weapon of war.
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it has no legitimate value or use in civilian society. that's one of the many things that i think -- i hope our nation's leaders, our congress will re-examine. we had an assault weapons ban in this country for a period of time that lapsed, and i believe that an assault weapons ban is consistent with the second amendment. i would hope the current supreme court does, too. but let's not forget about the prevalence of guns in america. >> that's a big part of the conversation, certainly, as we brought in the conversation. but if we were to focus it on just this incident and the failure of the u.s. secret service to secure a former president, a current candidate, there are growing calls from the hill for director cheatle to resign. is that fair? is that warranted?
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>> i won't second-guess anything about what happens to the current director. i'm not the dhs secretary anymore. i do believe that hard questions need to be asked and i'm confident that out of the many investigations that are occurring now, we're going to have the full picture and hopefully we'll have some answers to some really hard questions. >> we all hope that. thank you so much. we'll keep asking those questions. thank you, secretary jay johnson, for coming in. that does it for us today. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage next. trains that sense what isn't on the schedule. ♪ trains that use the power of dell ai and intel. ♪ to see hundreds of miles of tracks. ♪ [vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive
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good morning, 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin this milwaukee for day three of the republican national convention, which will be focusing on foreign policy today. tonight mks

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