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covid. his fellow democrats deliver a harsh truth about what the polling shows for november. adam schiff says biden needs to step aside to help his party keep control of the senate and win back the house. here in milwaukee, donald trump ready to put an exclamation point on a republican national convention with a message of party unity. j.d. vance introduces himself to america while making the case for the former president to return to the white house. >> president trump represents america's last best hope to restore what if lost may never be found again, a country where a working class boy can stand on this stage as the next vice president of the united states of america. ♪♪

good to be with you. i'm katy tur inside the rnc convention hall. andrea is on assignment. we are watching a massive political split screen. one side, a big night for donald trump in this hall later tonight. on the other, an increasingly dire moment for president biden. donald trump has his party falling in line at the republican national convention. he is prepared to give a keynote address, one we are told donald trump rewrote, dictated himself. joe biden is sidelined by covid at what could prove to be the most critical point in his re-election campaign as he faces the shifting winds of his party and his political future. for the president, his covid infection couldn't come at a worse time. three top democrats are confronting the president, questioning whether he can truly beat donald trump. cnn reports that nancy pelosi

reportedly told the president that polling shows he cannot win. sources tell nbc news that chuck schumer also had a, quote, blunt meeting with president biden on saturday. california's adam schiff has become the most high-profile democrat to call for the president to step down from the ticket. all of this with just over 100 days before election day and two weeks before the dnc moves to formally nominate joe biden ahead of the convention. for his part, the president has said he is not going anywhere. >> if i had some medical conversation, if the lord tells me that, i might do that. >> who do you listen to on personal issues like whether to stay in the race or not. >> me. >> 1,000% see you on the ballot this november? >> unless i get hit by a train, yeah.

>> gabe gutierrez is with us from delaware where the president is isolating. gabe, what's going on? who is he listening to? who is he talking to? >> reporter: hi. good afternoon. this morning, president biden's campaign is really stressing, reiteraing that he is staying in this race. nbc news has reported that the inner circle has been tightening, according to several sources familiar with the die many naic. the discussion has shifted among some of his aides to talking about any potential damage to his legacy. before the covid diagnosis, nbc news learning there's a sense among some aides there could be a willingness to reassess if a major development shook the race. we haven't gotten there yet. there's that small shift in the discussions happening behind the scenes. as i mentioned earlier today,

the campaign stressing that he remains in this race. the white house putting out a written statement stressing the same. president biden is the nominee of the party. he plans to win and looks forward to working with congressional democrats to pass his 100 days agenda to help working families. the campaign putting out several -- many surrogates across the country today. vice president harris is campaigning in north carolina. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you very much. here with me now kristin welker and susan page. i know it's not going to get old. this is so remarkable. you have the president going on interview after interview saying over and over, i'm not leaving the race, 1,000% not leaving, not leaving. the democrats are continuing to say, you gotta leave. public and privately. >> you are right. it feels like right now they are

saying, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. easy way, he has been confronted by schumer, by pelosi with poll numbers, these pleas saying, the rest of the party is being dragged down with you at the top of the ticket. really tough conversations. the fact that these conversations are leaking out into the public in the wake of president biden saying he is not going to drop out tells you everything about the pressure that's happening around him. the fact that congressman adam schiff came out is so significant. he is a pelosi ally. he would not have gone out and called for the president to drop out of the race without speaker pelosi's signoff. one thing big picture, i spoke with a democratic lawmaker who said it feels like the ground is shifting. >> i spoke with one who said they believe there are more people that are going to come out this week. other lawmakers considering it. on the subject of the leaked conversation, susan, the fact

that they are leaking at all means, these are people who think joe biden is not listening. easy or hard way, it sounds like they are ready to go down the hard route. >> we have seen the easy way, the private way since the debate. this is not new. pelosi has been talking to lawmakers and gathering data. she loves joe biden. but she's unsentimental when it comes to calculating elections. the fact that she has gone basically more public through adam schiff's voice, through leaks about her own actions, means she's prepared to drop what would be a nuclear bomb, which is to publicly call on biden to step back. i think the president is in an untenable situation. the question now is, when not whether. >> would she go to him and say, i am coming out publicly? >> i think she would. that's why there has been an attempt to give him some space

with these conversations. for him to make up his own mind. his inner circle is getting tighter. as gabe was reporting, our sources are telling us that he is expressing a willingness, an openness to have more candid conversations. >> how much time do they have to give him? dnc is fast approaching. there's the virtual roll call. can they go ahead with the virtual roll call? >> there's not a reason to do a virtual roll call. there was once. ohio changed the law that forced them to move up the nomination. that's a ruse now, not a reason, to have a virtual -- a way to keep biden in the mix. you are not going to see it next week. i wonder if it gets pushed back. this is going to be a messy situation. leaders in the house and the senate and elsewhere in country have decided chaos is preferable to the status quo.

>> which is intense. how do you survive a conversation like this? if we continue to have this conversation, joe biden stays in the race, i gotta imagine the democrats will understand that that is going to be a killer for his campaign if you have the democratic party questioning whether he can be the leader of the party. >> absolutely. it comes against the backdrop of here we are at the republican national convention and the unity that we have seen on display has been one of the big headlines this week. you were there in 2016 when the republican party was very divided. it is so different. you talk about the ticking clock. the fact that they are looking at these images coming out of the rnc is only adding to the urgency to make a decision. you are right, from the perspective from president biden, it becomes very difficult to stay in when you have these growing calls. >> you has said he needs to be shown he can't win. there's reporting now that he has been shown some really bad battleground polling where he is losing significantly and not

just him, but as we were talking about, dragging down other democrats. is that what he needs to see? >> a poll out this morning showing him trailing in virginia. virginia is a reasonably safe blue state these days. if he loses in virginia, you are looking at a landslide for donald trump. you saw other polling that came out yesterday that shows almost any other democrat they tested did better than biden did in swing states, including mark kelly, gretchen whitmer, kamala harris. they are able to show public data which we assume is reflected in private data that shows he is no longer the strongest candidate. >> how do they go about this? if president biden does decide to step aside, you have to imagine there's a conversation how to roll it out and what to suggest next. not just him saying, i'm done, figure it out now. what are those conversations going to be like? >> all signs are pointing to the

fact that president biden would likely pass the torch to his vice president, to kamala harris. you see that type of signaling and messaging from congressman clyburn, for example, who said that if biden were to drop out, he would support the vice president. you are right, there is going to be a messiness to this. that messiness is part of what has prevented president biden from dropping out. >> does there have to be a messiness? >> it's inevitable. what happens next? that's what democrats are to some extent dreading. to some extent anticipating. they get the headlines. >> i was talking to voters in wisconsin. i left the bubble of the convention hall and went to another area. i spoke to democratic voters. they were resigned to biden. what if it was someone else? they said, great, someone

younger. who could that be? they couldn't name anybody. i think that's part of the issue. >> yes. there's no certainty if biden steps back and they go with kamala harris that everything changes. the concern about age will go away and his mental acuity no longer matters. it will shake things up. for republicans, running against kamala harris and some vice presidential nominee to be named is not the thing they prepared for, it's not the thing that they have been conveying at this convention. >> i want to read reporting from "the washington post." they are citing several people that former president obama has said president biden's path to victory has diminished and he thinks the president needs to consider the viability of his candidacy, according to multiple people briefed. obama's spokesperson declined to comment. the declining to comment, they

do a lot of work here. >> speak volumes. if that weren't the case, you would have -- >> that's not true. >> a spokesperson would say, we completely deny this story. it is significant. we know that there have been concerns inside obama world. we have seen that people who used to work with him openly expressing how they feel. you have to imagine that's to some extent a reflection of how the former -- >> obama is the most popular democrat in the country. he is not the best voice to go to. they don't have that relationship. the best voice to go to joe biden is nancy pelosi. >> we will see if it's happening. thank you so much. it feels like things are moving. stay tuned to this. we are back in 90 seconds. you are watching msnbc.

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stage in a few hours. kid rock will warm up the crowd. here he is yesterday getting a sense of the stage. donald trump's running mate is a former trump critic who says he has seen the light, senator j.d. vance introduced himself last night giving them his origin story and his america first economic vision. >> the people of ohio and all the forgotten communities in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania and ohio and every corner of our nation, i promise you this, i will be a vice president who never forgets where he came from. we have a big tent in this party on everything from national security to economic policy. my message to you, my fellow republicans is, we love this country and we are united to win. >> nbc's garrett haake joins me from outside of the convention hall. garrett, give us a primer for tonight. >> reporter: katy, we are told donald trump himself has written

or dictated most if not all of the speech that he is going to give tonight and it's a departure from the speech he planned to give before he was nearly assassinated on saturday. aides have described him as being in a reflective mood. he has been emotional about the events of saturday. he will try to reflect that in the remarks tonight. i say try, because as you pointed out, we have a long history to draw from. he tends to operate within a relatively narrow band of how he talks about the country, how he talks about himself and his opponents. to me, that's the thing i'm most interested in hearing tonight. there's no question after being here for several days that the republican party is as united as it has ever been and around donald trump specifically. can he throw his arms open in a way that could unite the rest of the country? is his vision of it to unite around him specifically as opposed to reaching out to

gather people? i think that's the open question for what we will hear tonight. as for what we heard last night, the campaign is satisfied with the way j.d. vance began the process of introducing himself to the country. they understand he is an unknown quantity to most of the country beyond republican true believers. they think he will continue to provide a bridge, a gateway, if you will, for trump skeptics, particularly young white men who they think are their target demographic, to come back into the fold in the future. if j.d. vance could be a skeptic turned powerful evangelist, as we saw last night, why can't the other folks get back on board? they are satisfied with the way they laid the groundwork. tonight is the big night, the night that matters. also how the former president treats the current president tonight is the big unanswered question about the speech that i'm going to spend the rest of the day trying to figure out. >> garrett haake, thank you very much. let's bring in two of our other well-sourced reporters, phil rucker, and jake sherman.

phil, you know these events well. garrett was mentioning there's more unity here than we have seen in conventions past. i was at the convention for donald trump in 2016. i spoke to a lot of people there who were nervous about him. here that's not the case. the party clearly inside this room is unified. the question is, how far does what's happening inside this room reach out into america? does it convince people who have been wary of donald trump that there might be a reason to give him a second look? >> well, a couple things. first of all, you are right that there's so much unity. keep in mind the prominent republicans who are not there, you don't see mike pence, mitt romney, liz cheney. there's a part of the republican party hostile to a trump candidacy and is not supporting his bid for election this fall. the key for trump is to have a

message tonight that can reach out not only to those never trumper republicans but to other independent voters, to really try to make the inroads he has been building towards with black men in particular, with other parts of the -- of what has been the biden and before that obama democratic coalition. his campaign has signalled he would do that with a message of unity, with a different kind of tone. we have been around long enough to know that there have been a lot of previewed pivots from donald trump, and he has not always made those successfully. he tends to revert back to his more hard-edged core message. we will see what the speech is tonight. the political imperative is to try to broaden his base of support with this moment. >> this has been a campaign of retribution. donald trump said so. there's retribution and vengeance on the stage talking about, they did this to my father. they have always been trying to go out and get donald trump. he has been victimized. they are trying to take him

down. a shooter tried to take him down. look at him, he is still standing. are we seeing change in policy coming out of this convention? yesterday, there were people holding signs with "mass deportation now." >> two things. number one, the trump -- the core of the trump message is that the world is against him. right? the shooting is one more thing to add on to that list of things that are skewed against him. we have not seen anything different. the posters on the floor is that said "trump will end the ukraine war," is a sharp departure from the vast -- the majority of republicans on capitol hill. that is not something that a lot of republicans are going to be comfortable with if donald trump were to win. think about the mass deportation thing. we were talking about this last night. what does that look like if you are deporting millions of people from the united states? i don't think people are

focusing in on the specifics. i don't think the potential administration here is focusing in on just what that would look like, what it would look like to deport millions of people from the united states. >> phil, on stage with donald trump yesterday during the walk through was stephen miller. >> yeah. his longtime former speech writer, policy advisor and a real hardliner when it comes to immigration policies in particular. he has been a real advocate of some of the most stringent anti-immigration policies and proposals within the republican party. to jake's point, the idea of mass deportation is really going to cause some concern, certainly to those independent voters, generally in the country, but even to some republicans and republican elected officials. >> a lot of families are mixed households, mixed status households. what do you do about kids brought here and only know this country? we have had this conversation before. i feel like i'm reverting back

to 2016, 2017, 2018. i want to ask about the democrats. what are you hearing about the reaction on capitol hill? i spoke to a democratic lawmaker a moment ago who told me there are others who want to come out and say that the president needs to step aside. >> my phone is filled right now with both reporting internally and we are preparing for a midday edition and messages from lawmakers who say they are resigned to the fact that joe biden is not going to be running. "the washington post" just broke i would say -- >> a huge story. >> groundbreaking story that said that obama -- president obama is telling biden to really reconsider -- or take a look at his polling and reconsider whether he is a viable candidate. i could tell you that, again, i said this to you a week ago, i will say it again in an updated way. last week, i said, i don't think there are any democrats that want him to continue. i haven't found any democrats

who think he will continue. no one is telling me they think he will continue. i had one person tell me -- i won't pull it up now. they are in wait and see mode. the dam is breaking. it will continue to break next week. house and senate back next week. >> they have been at home with constituents listening to their voters. >> quite frankly, soaking in some missteps that biden has had over the last couple days where he -- he looks better than he did in the debate. but you are not seeing the kind of stepped up activity that -- >> it's very unlucky that he contracted covid. phil, what about you? >> i think that's exactly right. the other thing that democratic leaders are doing is watching this republican convention on tv. this is a projection of strength and unity from the republican ticket and from donald trump in the aftermath of that shooting. that's a very intimidating thing politically, i think, for the biden team to have to grapple with. he is down in the polls. you have to wonder what the

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we are learning new details about the lead-up to the attempted assassination of donald trump. they are not great. more than an hour elapsed between the time he was flagged as a suspicious person and when he fired. this time line from an fbi and secret service briefing to congress shows that 20 minutes before the shooting, at 5:51 p.m., pennsylvania state police warned the secret service about a person with a range finder. joining us now with more, intelligence correspondent tom winter and ali vitali. tom, what's the latest? >> there was a briefing to congress yesterday. ali and her team on the hill have been getting us caught up on some of the things. one is the time line you are looking at right there. at 5:09, this individual spotted by local police. we talked about it. there was suspicious activity

near one of the metal detectors that you would go through. he has a range finder. it's been described as a golf range finder. if you want to know the distance between yourself and a particular fixed point, this would tell you what that would be. why he was using that, of course, we can't interview him because he is deceased, but why he would be using that could potentially be helpful to know the distances between certain points in and around this rally venue. at some point, the pennsylvania state police tells the secret service about a suspicious person. the secret service snipers are notified. then there's discussion about this individual on the roof. we have seen the video for the last several days about that and moments later shots ring out. the time line presents some questions as to why this individual may not have been talked to or detained. apparently, he was moving quickly through this area. why was this a situation where he wasn't spoken to? given all the suspicious people

or sometimes the events that come up at these rallies, was there not an opportunity to find him? i think that's -- there's a lot of questions around that. i think those are questions that will continue to take time to get answers. it's interesting that this is a time line that hasn't been provided publicly by the secret service. it's something briefed to congress. hopefully, we can get the underlying documentation that supports this so we can get a better understanding on who said what to whom, who was described as what to whom. was it a weirdo on the roof or somebody with a gun on the roof or what's going on? all questions that immediate to be answered. >> tom, what about what we know about his motivation? did we learn anything about a search history? >> yeah. that was important. that came from the fbi director in the briefing component. the understanding is that he searched both dates for the dnc as well as trump rally dates. there was research surrounding

both parties, if you will. how much was tilted to one way or the other -- we asked, when did that search begin? that might give us a first clue as to when he began to research and put together a plan to do what he did. that's something that we will continue to ask questions about as well. >> so ali, the secret service director was here at the rnc yesterday. we will show you video. she was chased around the hallways by republican lawmakers and berated. including senator blackburn. there are growing calls for her to resign. what else are you hearing on capitol hill? >> reporter: you see there in the video that it's senator blackburn. she's flanked on the other side by john berasso. he called it a cover your ass call where the secret service and the fbi apparently limited

the number of questions that lawmakers could ask. this was two separate briefing calls, one for senators, one for house members. in both cases, they were unclassified briefings, which is why tom and i and others up here on capitol hill have been able to get such a sense of what was said on this call. in addition to the time line, which is so important, there's the search history that tom mentioned about searching the dates of the dnc as well as for trump rallies. i'm told by someone who was on the call that the fbi said the gunman's search history included images of trump and biden as well as other public officials. all of this lends to a picture that's painted in real time as lawmakers as well as the rest of the public just trying to get a sense of what went so wrong here that an assassination attempt like this one was able to happen. of course, you and i have been to so many trump rallies. i think that's the question that many of us asked immediately, which is how for events that are so locked down, was something like this able to happen? that's a question that lawmakers will continue asking.

they are out of session right now. many are with you in milwaukee. when they come back, especially on that first monday, very short window for them to start having some of these hearings. they are trying to get the secret service director in front of them to testify. there's back and forth on when she will do that. of course, these committee heads are very serious about getting her before them and trying to get these questions answered in a public forum. >> i know this guy was in the outer perimeter. if anybody has been through secret service, you know how serious the secret service is and what they allow you to go in with. they will take your umbrella, anything that looks like it's heavy or can be thrown. they have taken -- jacob makes fun of me because they take away oranges. no hairspray because you can make it into a flamethrower. the outer perimeter, you assume it's just as secure in terms of watching out for people who might have a rifle. tom winter, ali vitali, thank

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former self-described never trumper j.d. vance has come a long way. he embraced the maga mantra after just eight years ago bitterly criticizing donald

trump's rhetoric saying co-be, quote, america's hitler. how did he get from there to here? joining me now is the staff writer for "the atlantic." he has done -- he made a transformation. he has seen the light, as republicans like to say, about donald trump. he is leaning in hard to the idea he is a working class guy who struggled in a community and understands that community and can help translate donald trump to those people. >> right. you know, in some ways it seems like a conventional pick. he has an inspiring personal story. he knows how to tell it. wrote a memoir that sold millions of copies. what i find interesting though is how his views of that community he comes from have actually changed. a lot of people know that he wrote the book that made him famous. a lot of people have not read it. if you have, you see that it's actually a pretty complicated and nuanced treatment of the

white working class. he in that book writes that he believes the culture he was raised in had a lot of problems. the community he comes from deserves blame for a lot of the problems it suffers from. that's not what you are hearing from him now. in his convention speech he was talking about his community as victims of the ruling class. that kind of transformation is an important trick that he pulled off. >> let's he read what he wrote around that time that his book came out. he said, so long as people rely on the quick high, so long as wolves point their fingers at everyone but themselves, the nation delays a necessary reckoning, there's no self-reckoning in the midst of false euphoria. trump makes some feel better for a bit but he cannot fix what ails them, one day they will realize it. it may be farther ahead than

j.d. vance was hoping for. he thought he was bad for the country. >> the story he tells is that he is a convert. he had been taken in by the media's propaganda about trump. once he actually did his own research and started to listen to him, he realized he had been wrong about him. fine. that's the story that a lot of republicans have told over the years. i do think that what you just read is emblematic of this broader transition he has made, which is that in no longer critiquing the kind of cultural group he came up in and casting the white working class communities as victims, he is aligning himself with trump and feeding grievance to those communities. he understands -- i get it. the stories you tell as a memoirist are different than you tell as an ambitious politician. he realizes, white working class voters don't want to hear him lecture them about welfare queens or whatever he wrote about in his book.

he wants them to hear that they are going to save them. >> he is talking about in this article not pointing the finger at everybody else, having some introspection and understanding what you do to create the problem that you live within. >> personal responsibility, which used to be a republican talking point. >> very republican. he argues that by picking himself up by his bootstraps. the argument people make by donald trump is that you can't just point your finger everywhere else. it's not -- these problems are not so easy to solve. what donald trump has been doing successfully politically is saying the problems are easy. the complicated issues that democrats talk about, the complicated situations around the world, the war in ukraine, what's happening in israel, that's not a big deal. i can fix it. i understand that i'm the best negotiator there is out there. >> that is the trick that he has pulled off. you remember in the 2016 convention his famous line from that speech was, i alone can fix

it. he has boiled down every problem that his base encounters in their personal lives to a very simple formula of, you are victims of the ruling class. i will beat them for you. will be your retribution. >> i have to wrap. i was going to ask a few other questions. >> have me back. >> i will. thank you so much. it's good to see you. i get to see our good friends in person here, which is nice. next up, follow the money. who are the new revenue sources for the trump campaign and what they mean for the race as cash flow for president biden slows down. you are watching msnbc. (♪♪) (♪♪) start your day with nature made. and try new zero sugar gummies. ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble slosing weight with nature made. and keeping it off? same. discover the power of wegovy®.

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emerge as you. emerge tremfyant®. ask you doctor about tremfya®. ( ♪♪ ) president biden's major donors were skittish about supporting his campaign. a groundswell of criticism from inside the democratic party is making that apprehensive. the world's richest man, elon musk, who said he plans to give a whopping $45 million a month, a month to a new pro-trump superpac. joining me now, brendan buck an dossi, let's start with the money. that's a whole lot of money that elon musk plans on giving a group associated with donald trump. how can it affect this campaign? >> it's a question that you can even spend that much money in that short of time.

there are folks who wonder how you spend $45 million a month. i mean, it could be a significant impact if it's used strategically in battleground states, if it's used to put together a ground game that trump's campaign has not putting together themselves. that's the kind of money that can make a real difference. as you know, it's a slim margin the number of people that actually decide these elections in our country in a few states, and not a lot of money. >> they've had to pay donald trump's legal bills, so there's all this reporting, tim alberto did a great piece in the atlantic about the scaled down campaign on the state level. and they were saying it was an advantage to them. they were micro targeting. they were being very precise about what they were doing. but on the other hand, the biden team, which was having no problem raising money for so long is now suddenly having a problem. i was talking to one of their major donors who said they don't want to give to the biden team any longer.

they'll give to outside groups until biden gets off the ticket. and there's now reporting that jeffrey katzenberg relayed the same message. >> you see a lot of skittish donors who do not want to give right now. i was talking to a democratic operative who said the money is drying up. the script has flipped, with all the criminal cases, all the problems that he had, a lot of people didn't want to give to him. now that he is the nominee here and republican donors increasingly think he's going to win, they want access to the white house. they want access to the rnce. people are coming in droves to give big checks to outside groups. they don't have a money problem anymore. >> it is easy to lose perspective when you are inside a convention hall for this many days. you start to -- you know, it's hard not to think like everybody else thinks in this room or not see it as an inevitability as everybody else tries to claim it within any democratic or any

republican party convention. give us the perspective looking from the outside looking in these past few days. >> yeah, well, i mean, whether it's talking about money or polls, it does feel like there is a lot of momentum for trump and that's the cliche. money follows momentum, and you see a lot of excitement and unity, and that comes from a feeling of winning. things are really easy when it feels like you're winning, especially when the other side is in a deep civil war, which is what democrats are doing here. now, i'm a little skeptical that some of these big money democratic donors are going to actually sit out this election. i think that's a bit of an empty threat if biden does stick in, i'm sure they're going to come off the sidelines, but you have a lot of those people in silicon valley now placing bets. i think it's a pretty good bet to bet that donald trump is going to win, and there's another i think interesting dynamic. it used to be such that it was perhaps socially unacceptable to be a trump supporter, and i

think that has dramatically changed. i think there's been a lot of normalization, certainly in the republican party, but i think in general in the last few months. donald trump is likely to be the president. that is not perhaps an extreme thing to think about anymore, and it makes a lot easier for some of these people to write really bigchecks. >> $45 a month is ton. timothy melon has given more than $75 million to a pro-trump super pac. when we're talking about this sort of money, there is a question of how do you spend it, but also, why are they giving that much? what are they expecting to get out of it if they're going to give $75 million or elon musk is going to give $45 million a month. what are they getting for all that cash? >> depends who the donor is. a lot of the donors want access to trump. they want to talk to him about policies on oil and gas.

they want to talk about how his administration would govern their industries. melon is an interesting case. he's a reclusive figure. the trump folks say they've never seen him. they don't know what he looks like. he doesn't come to conventions. doesn't go to mar-a-lago. it's hard to know what his motivations are. all we know is that he's written wig checks to trump. he's also written big checks to rfk jr. there's something that's motivating him. the biggest check he wrote, the $50 million came the day after trump was convicted of 34 felonies in new york, he wired the money the next day. >> there's also the reporting that "the washington post" has put out about former president obama being concerned about president biden, that he can't win. what more can you tell us regarding that? >> yeah, my colleagues have done reporting over the last 24 hours about not just obama telling friends and allies that he thinks that biden may need to drop out, but about schumer and jeffries as well. we saw reporting last night

about pelosi. it seems like the entire democratic firmament is lining. >> if the democrats get a new candidates does it get more competitive? >> you're going to have a lot of republicans lose their mind accusing democrats of meddling in the election. they've not only built a campaign around beating joe biden, they are absolutely certain that joe biden can't win. that is the only change of course that would be a threat to them. >> brendan buck, josh dawsey, thank you very much. that's going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts after a short break. "chris jansing reports" starts after a short break. coughed, laughed or exercised. i couldn't even enjoy playing with my kids. i leaked too. i just assumed it was normal. then we learned about bulkamid. an fda approved non-drug solution for our condition. it really works, and it lasts for years.

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