you for this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, donald trump prepares for his big night at the rnc with a rewritten speech. can he strike a different tone after nearly losing his life or will the rhetoric re-elect with the same red meat. republican lawmakers tell the director of the secret service you owe us answers.

why they were dissatisfied with their briefing on the trump attack. plus, a person close to the president's campaign says we're close to the end. what it's like inside biden's world right now. our nbc news reporters are following the latest developments. that's where we start. nbc's aaron gilchrist, what do we know about what's happened in biden world? >> reporter: some of our colleagues, carol lee and monica alba and natasha korecki have been gathering details what's happening inside biden world, including his campaign and people close to the president. we're told there's a sense that the ground has shifted under president biden. we're getting that from five people with knowledge of the situation who, as you said, we're close to the end. going on to say there's a senior -- someone spoke with a senior campaign official and

says there's a sense of a new reality that's fallen over the campaign. quote, they're finally realizing, when, not if. it's what we've heard since the debate in atlanta where there have been voices, some named, many not named, who are calling for the president to leave the race saying they have serious concerns about his ability to beat donald trump in november. the campaign publicly has been coming out full voice saying that the president is in the race until the end. he intends to win and they are looking at some of the data that's been circulating. they've been looking at polling data and the insistence from the campaign and you heard this from the deputy campaign manager, their insistence is the data shows it's a close race. it will always be a margin of error race, one they know they'll have to get out and work for every single vote. even though president biden is at his home in rehoboth beach,

delaware, convalescing from his covid diagnosis, he's doing campaign work and the work of running the country as well, even as these calls that are sometimes whispers and sometimes louder, calls remain for the president to leave the race or calls pushing him to leave the race. >> aaron gilchrist, thank you. we want to go to vaughn hillyard in milwaukee for a preview of the republican national convention's final night. what should we be watching for? >> reporter: we'll be hearing from donald trump publicly for the first time with his nomination acceptance speech in prime time. i'm told he dictated his speech, redid what they initially prepared for him before the assassination attempt. i was told by a senior adviser to donald trump that, number one, when it comes to the conversation as to whether joe

biden will stay in the race that they do not care. it could be kamala harris, joe biden or somebody else. they feel they're in a good position to contrast what a democratic administration will look like versus a trump administration. we can expect some of those nuggets to be hit on by donald trump tonight. when you're looking at what this speech could mean for him, don jr. in his prime time address last night, indicated a theme. yes, donald trump was knocked down on saturday, but he got back up. that is what you could expect to hear from the former president and republican nominee for 2024, donald trump. this is where that unifying message comes in where donald trump is -- you saw this throughout the course of the week from the speakers. they're attempting to focus on making the case to a broader cross section of the country that the administrative policies

they seek to enact are ones that would be favorable to every day americans. of course, that's up to donald trump to articulate himself tonight. that's the vision that he and his campaign have indicated they'll seek to accomplish in this prime time address, as the democrats work to have a better understanding what their ticket will look like going into their convention. a standoff between republican lawmakers and the director of the secret service spilled out at the rnc last night. ryan nobles is following that story. what happened, ryan? >> reporter: this group of senators were less than satisfied with the private briefing the director of secret service and other law enforcement agencies gave senators about what went wrong. listen to senator ron johnson of wisconsin's description of what they heard. >> only four senators were able

to ask question. the first was senator cornyn asking when was the secret service made aware of this person on a roof. more than an hour ahead of time. >> this is what we were doing today. stone walling. you owe the american people answers. you owe president trump. >> reporter: what you see playing out there is it just so happened that the director ended up at the republican national convention. she wasn't scheduled to go there originally. went there because of the assassination attempt on former president trump. many republican senators happened to be in milwaukee and they tracked her down and tried to get her answer questions she did not answer in this briefing. now, one of the other things i should point out, chris, on the house side of things -- these are senators that were upset with this interaction with the director. the house of representatives is expected to call the director in for a public hearing monday.

she's in a standoff with the house oversight committee. they've subpoenaed her and requested she appear on monday. she, through the department of homeland security, said she has a scheduling conflict monday. she offered some alternative dates. the committee is sticking by its request she appear monday, saying that's the date of subpoena. we'll have to see how it plays out monday when the public hearing is scheduled. >> ryan nobles, thank you . we're learning more details about what the gunman was searching for on his phone before the attack on donald trump. ken dilanian is following that. ken, what have we learned? >> reporter: fbi and secret service officials presented a detailed timeline of what unfolded included when they encountered the shooter. at 5:09 local police noticed

thomas matthew crooks acting suspiciously. at 5:51 pennsylvania state police notified secret service of a suspicious person with a range finder. that was also thomas matthew crooks. they searched for him and allowed donald trump to take the stage. at 5:53 the secret service was notified to look out for a threat. at 6:09 p.m. spectators yelled to police about a man with a gun. a local police officer was hoisted up to the roof, but dropped down after crooks pointed his gun at the officer. at that point they got on the radio and told the secret service there was a sniper on the roof. a crucial question this timeline doesn't answer is how many seconds elapsed between the warning about a man with a gun

and shots being fired? i spoke to one official who listened to the briefing and said it was just a few seconds, not enough time to pull trump off the stage and find the gunman. we have a new line of criticism emerging about the secret service response. former agents and experts said after the shots were fired, trump's detail took too long to get the former president off the stage and they never should have allowed him to get his shoes and pump his fist. at that point they had no idea whether there was a second shooter. it could have been disastrous. secret service dictates they should have grabbed trump and carried him away to safely regardless of what he said. that's not what happened. some people said there are concerns the secret service is too deferential to him. >> ken dilanian, thank you. in 60 seconds we have breaking news. what former president obama is saying behind the scenes about

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receptive to hearing arguments about why he should drop his re-election bid. he has given no indication he's changing his mind about staying in. in fact, his principle deputy campaign manager told me this just last hour. >> president biden has made his decision. he's the democratic nominee. i said before, i don't know how many times we can answer this question. i don't know how many times president biden can answer this question. he will be the democratic nominee and we will beat donald trump in november. >> yet in just the last couple hours the "washington post" reported that former president obama told allies in recent days that president biden's path to victory has diminished and he thinks the president needs to consider the viability of his candidacy. that's according to multiple people. joining me now is tyler pager white house report for the "washington post" who broke that story. also with us dr. van gupta and

msnbc political analyst basil smikle. tyler, what's going on with barack obama and what are you learning about any conversations he's had? >> reporter: thanks for having me, chris. as we reported in the "washington post," the former president is having conversations with allies and many anxious democrats who are expressing concern about biden's candidacy. barack obama has said he believes biden's re-election chances have greatly diminished in recent days, as well as he believes joe biden needs to seriously consider his viability as a candidate moving forward. these concerns come from barack obama feeling protective over joe biden and his legacy and accomplishments. he's said in these conversations that he alone cannot forest joe biden out of this race.

he seems himself as a counselor, a sounder board. he wants to be there to support joe biden in any way he can. also, important to note in this reporting is that joe biden and barack obama have only spoken once since that debate in june. obama has been deeply engaged in other conversations, including former house speaker nancy pelosi and other democrats. obama and biden have only spoken once. >> do we know if any of the conversations he's had involve any kind of strategy? is he concerned enough to suggest to other members in the party how they might continue to put pressure on president biden? >> reporter: yeah, i think barack obama is being very careful about the words he uses. in some of these conversations he's discussed his concerns, which largely center on three main factors. the polls continue to move away

from biden. two, former president donald trump's electoral map is expanding. three, donors are moving away from the president. i think, you know, the president is taking calls. there's many democrats who want to speak with him and get his advice and thinking. i think the way he's framing it is he's acknowledging that biden's candidacy and his path to re-election has greatly diminished. he sees his role different than some of these other democrats that are going directly to joe biden and presenting him with polls and talking with him about their concerns that his continued candidacy will hurt down ballot democrats in the house and senate in competitive races. barack obama is taking a larger view of the race. his role is somewhat complicated by 2015 and 2016 in which he was an advocate of encouraging joe biden not to run for president at that time. >> basil, what do you see is going on here? we were having a conversation last hour, right, that the

longer this goes, it can't be great for the democratic party. you agree with that? >> absolutely agree with that. frankly the last three weeks have been worse than the debate itself in terms of this analysis. >> hold on. we have vice president harris in fayetteville, north carolina. let's listen. >> some of you heard donald trump's running mate deliver remarks at the republican national convention. he talked about his life story about growing up in southwest ohio. it was compelling. it's a compelling story. and it was not the full story. frankly what is very telling is what he did not talk about on that stage. he did not talk about project 2025. their 900-page blueprint for a

second trump term. he did not talk about it because their plans are extreme, and they are divisive. in recent days they've been trying to portray themselves as the party of unity. but here's the thing -- here's the thing, if you claim to stand for unity, you need to do more than just use the word. [ cheers and applause ] you cannot claim you stand for unity if you're pushing an agenda that deprives whole groups of americans of basic freedoms, opportunity and dignity. [ cheers and applause ] you cannot claim you stand for unity if you are intent on taking reproductive freedoms

from the people of america and the women of america. [ cheers and applause ] trying to ban abortion nationwide as they do and restrict access to ivf and contraception as their plan calls for. you cannot claim to be for unity if you try to overturn a free and fair election and threaten -- and threaten to terminate the united states constitution. you cannot claim to be for unity when your entire economic agenda is designed to prioritize billionaires and big corporations over the middle class. we're too busy watching what you're doing to hear what you're

saying. and let us unpack that last point about the economy. this race can be boiled down to a single question -- who fights for you? now, we know whose side our president, joe biden, is on. he grew up in a middle class family in scranton, pennsylvania, and he has never forgotten where he came from. i have been a firsthand witness with every decision he makes in the oval office. he thinks about how it will impact working americans. he understands -- he understands every day struggles because he has actually lived them. so, friends, i say the contrast between joe biden and donald trump is like night and day.

but with the selection of his runningmate this week, donald trump is trying to distract people. he wants to direct attention away from his record and his project 2025 plan to suggest that he and his runningmate are going to prioritize the middle class. but we are not buying it. we are not falling for the okey doke. as many of you know, i'm a former prosecutor. i say, let's look at the facts, shall we. [ cheers and applause ] donald trump tries to claim he brought back america manufacturing. the fact is under donald trump america lost tens of thousands

of manufacturing jobs. more than 1,000 factories closed under his watch. the facts. meanwhile, president joe biden have created nearly 800,000 new manufacturing jobs. so much so it's been described as a manufacturing boom. last night we heard claims that donald trump is for fighting for our seniors. well, how the heck can you claim you fight for seniors when you intend to cut social security and medicare? which we all know is a life line for so many of our seniors. let me be very clear. president joe biden and i will

always protect social security and we'll always protect medicare. all while we continue to fight to lower the cost of prescription drugs for our seniors. it is president biden and i that took on big pharma and finally capped the cost of insulin for our seniors at $35 a month. who here has a family member with diabetes who knows what that means? right. but donald trump and his runningmate intend to get rid of our $35 cap on insulin. they will side with big pharma and let them make prescription drugs more expensive. not only that, on the issue of health care, they intend to get rid of the affordable healthcare act. donald trump and his allies

tried more than 60 times to end the affordable healthcare act. 60 times. to give insurance companies back the power to deny people with pre-existing conditions. you all remember what that was like? children with asthma, women who survived breast cancer, grandparents with diabetes. president biden and i, on the other hand, have made the affordable healthcare act more strong. because, you see, we believe health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. [ cheers and applause ] pull up the split screen. whereas the last administration gave tax cuts to billionaires, we gave tax cuts to families

through the child tax credit, which cut child poverty in america by half. and, please, do note their project 2025 agenda would even end head start. to take away preschool from hundreds of thousands of our children. on the issue of the cost of living, donald trump says he will implement a 10% tariff on all imported goods. well, understand, independent economists agree, his tariffs would increase the cost of every-day expenses for families, the cost of gas, groceries and clothing. we, on the other hand, have taken on big pharma, the big banks and big corporations to

bring down costs. >> vice president kamala harris in many ways answering three days of speeches at the republican national convention and perhaps pre butting what we'll hear from donald trump. basil smikle, well written. >> absolutely. >> well delivered. >> absolutely. >> well ad libbed here and there. congressional leaders and even barack obama are reported to be saying they're worried joe biden can't win. at the heart of the question is, isn't it, can joe biden effectively make the case we just heard from kamala harris? >> i thought he can. i thought he did over the last few days in many ways. it's a wonderful ticket. i love joe biden as president. i would love kamala harris to be president. if barack obama, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer and hakeem

jeffries did after the debate what they're doing now and stood up for joe biden collectively, we wouldn't be having this conversation over the last couple weeks. they didn't, so here we are. >> where are we? >> the dnc has to make a decision where they want to go. >> more than couple a days ago they had to make a decision. >> there are hard deadlines coming up unfortunately. what that means is that joe biden is going to -- looks like he's sticking to what he said all along, he's in the race. he's old school. i understand that. if he's going to lose this thing, he wants to lose it on the field, on the field of battle. >> he's earned the right to do that. >> right. >> there are fund-raising concerns and the concerns about folks running in battleground states and districts. the fact that obama has come out now and made these comments means it looks like there's a movement to further shift donors

and other organizers away from joe to some states that we don't know yet. >> can i read something from this reporting that we broke last hour? some people in biden world think it's close to the end. a person with knowledge of the projections said the biden campaign now expects it will only raise 25% of the big donor money it had originally projected to raise in july. further downgrading the expectation last week that large dollar fund-raising would be down by as much as 50%. >> listen, it's striking. i understand why these leaders are making this decision. i don't like it, but i understand it. >> did they cause it? >> i would say that over the last three weeks they've now entered into a place where it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy. they almost have to keep going in order to right the ship. in some ways it doesn't seem like there's a path back.

they have to keep going forward. having said that, if they decide to replace joe biden, it better be swift. it better be decisive. i hope to god it's kamala harris. if it is, they better be prepared to defend her. she'll have a nice bump, but the racial attacks that will come after her will be significant. i hope the same energy that these electors use to say joe biden should leave the race, i hope they have the same energy to defend her. >> she said, when we fight, we win. no illusion to what's going on behind the scenes for her boss, president biden, to step down. i want to go to dr. gupta if i can. the concern is that joe biden is down, even if it's for a day or two when he's fighting hard to stay in the race. i'm not going to ask you about politics. i'm not going to ask you about his medical condition

specifically. you're not privy to his records and haven't examined him. on the president's covid diagnosis, the white house says he has mild symptoms. what are the risk factors more broadly for someone -- he's on paxlovid -- who is 81 years old? >> well, chris, you laid it out beautifully. what i would say is anybody that's 81, age by itself, as we talked about over the years, in and of itself puts you at risk for severe illness, whether it's covid or a different disease. age unfortunately is a risk factor for severe illness, ending up in the hospital. co-existing conditions and he has a few, also puts you at risk. his doctor is on point with evidence-based medicine. they gave him the first dose almost immediately after his positive test yesterday. here is -- for your viewers out there to give you a sense of how he was doing, his vital signs were normal. what i look at as a

pulmonologist is the heart rate trend. if you're not breathing abnormally fast, the heart rate is normal, say 60, 70 beats per minute and that's not changing. that tells you your heart and lungs are not under stress. if you have a wearable device, you're worried that you have an infection, look at your resting heart rate. if it's changing -- let's say you're normally 60 or 70 and maybe it's 80 or 90 and you feel unwell. that tells you about the stress your body is experiencing. we talk about perception and optics for the president, it's not uncommon he might have laryngitis and lingering impacts on his voice after he gets over the acute phase of his illness, which apparently is mild. it's not unusual to have a softer voice which has had some scrutiny for the president after the debate.

his voice might be impacted. >> when you say a ramp up, what are the cdc guidelines? they've changed. when i talked to a top campaign aid last hour, he said he's working, making phone calls, talking to people. when does the cdc say he could interact with people one-on-one? when can he be back out in public safely? >> the cdc guidance has changed. really now it's up to the individual's discretion. if they're not symptomatic and feeling okay, usually it's do what you do if you have the flu. put on a mask. be mindful of others. that five-day period no longer is mandated. for the president, i would say he's leading by example as the leader of the united states. him isolating until a negative test is important. it sends a powerful message that this is something to take seriously. chris, september is not far down the pike.

we want those who are higher risk medically to get vaccinated again 6789 him setting the example is important. i expect -- he only has mild symptoms. i haven't examined him personally. with mild respiratory symptoms, you might expect some impact on voice and hoarseness. >> basil, i'm going to read this to you from the "new york times." it speaks to the president's age. represent jamie raskin of maryland who investigated the attack on the capitol on january 6th, sent president biden a letter that compared him to a tiring baseball pitcher and urged him to consult with fellow democrats about whether to consider his campaign. >> yeah. >> there's a lot -- if the reporting is correct, there are

a lot of conversations going on. there are some people who have suggested they're serving him to get his irish up and impact voters who feel he's not being treated well. i wonder what you make of this. i don't think it's a drip, drip, drip. there's been a lot in the last 24 hours. >> you're right. i have thought we might have turned the corner. you had david jolly on earlier. he said, when you talk to a lot of voters on the ground, they want to stick with the guy that got them there. they do. in many ways it seems like a conversation with the leadership to push him out than the actual base of the party. i believe at the end of the day the party will get behind whoever the nominee is. i hope it's kamala harris if it's not joe biden. my point has always been because these conversations are happening behind the scenes and letters get circulated like

that, are you instilling confidence in the voter for the way the process is going to unfold. the democrats have always campaigned on being the party of stability. joe biden ran on bringing us back to normal in 2020. if you look at the split screen when the party was nominating hakeem jeffries when there was chaos on the other side. you have to take all this from the behind the scenes from these letters and conversations and create a clear path forward. >> basil, you're staying with me. dr. gupta, thank you. the biden campaign takes on trump's runningmate. their strategy that he wants to take women back decades. your privacy" stor

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news. this is from jim jordan, the conservative ohio republican sending a letter to fbi director christopher wray telling him that whistle blowers told his committee that the secret service was understaffed at the rally where there was the assassination attempt due to the nato summit. jordan does not identify the whistle blowers but suggest they were privy to the meeting. the agent in charge said the secret service had limited resources because they were covering the nato summit in washington, d.c. jordan asks a series of very specific questions of fbi director wray, including how many agents, analysts and support personnel the fbi has dedicated to the investigation, how many buildings had to be secured outside the security perimeter on july 13th. he asked why was the roof of

that building nearby where the shooter got up on left unsecured. of course, he asked was the security posture at president trump's event limited due to resource constraints with the nato summit and/or first lady's event in pittsburgh. he asked what actions did the secret service take to remove president trump after the threat was known. this comes days ahead of a pre scheduled hearing where christopher wray had been expected to show up and testify before the judiciary committee. that is scheduled for next wednesday. we can expect fireworks at that hearing, especially as the secret service director is facing calls to resign. >> sahill kuppur, thank you. the biden campaign is out with an aggressive new ad assailing donald trump's running mate on the issue of abortion. the spot features a kentucky woman who was raped by her step

father and got pregnant at 12. >> first thing when i saw that positive pregnancy test is you have options. if roe v. wade would have been overturned sooner, i wouldn't have heard that. it had me thinking there's someone who doesn't get to hear that now. girls like me across the country are suffering. their futures are being ripped away. trump and j.d. vance don't care about women. >> that ad in stark contrast to the tone vance struck last night when he said his movement was like -- about single moms like his. >> our movement is about single moms like mine who struggled with addiction. i'm proud to say my mom is here ten years clean and sober. i love you, mom. mom, i was thinking, it will be

ten years officially in january of 2025. if president trump's okay with it, let's have the celebration in the white house. >> joining us now msnbc political analyst and former aid to president george w. bush elise jordan and basil smikle is back. that ad is going to play at the wnba all-star game, "60 minutes," ahead of the olympics and during "the bachelorette." elise, how effective is this? >> it's an incredibly striking ad for women and the men who love them. views are not that dissimilar when it comes to having medical access to care available for women who are the situation like that, rape and incest, certain

conditions. it's universal. it's supported by most americans. that is why highlighting extreme views of j.d. vance and now trump is an effective weapon for democrats. >> it is a contrast, basil. you can look at what some people would see as the appeal of j.d. vance. he's the youngest person on the oldest ticket, presidential ticket ever. he's got a military background. he gives a loving shout-out to his mom. he has a very accomplished wife. you didn't hear those kinds of policy positions last night. but did he do a good job of selling himself as far as it went? >> he definitely sold himself. i think that the theme that the republicans in their convention tried to get across is that of unity. that's in contrast to what we're seeing on the democratic side. to come to vice president harris' point, it's just a word

they use. is it real? when we go through project 2025 and you listen to a lot of the speeches, you see that j.d. vance has not evolved these positions. he's transacted. you get the person now on that stage. i think when the democrats call that out and attach it to the policies and see there's a playbook that, you know, they can point to, which i call an instruction manual, that takes place day one for the first 180 days of the presidency, then the ad becomes effective. the one caveat was -- the one thing i would say is what we're dealing with here is a new coalition formation. these are -- this is sort of untested in many ways. it's tenuous. the ways the democrats have to talk about these issues are going to matter in the next 100 days or so. the fact they're calling out this one issue that seems to be mobilizing the country is important. >> i mention j.d. vance's wife.

she was there last night. she's the daughter of indian immigrants. educated at cambridge and yale, successful lawyer. let me play a little bit about what she said. >> we were friends first because, i mean, who wouldn't want to be friends with j.d.? he was then, as now, the most interesting person i knew. a tough marine who served in iraq, but whose idea of a good time was playing with puppies and watching the movie "babe." the most determined person i knew with one overriding ambition, to become a husband and a father and to build the kind of tight-knit family he longed for as a child. >> assuming, melania trump won't be on the campaign trail much, could she be effective particularly with women or is that so old school -- you send a woman out and think she can appeal to women and you have the

same policies they've said in polls they don't want. >> i found her to be compelling and impressive, giving what is going to be absolutely the best case on earth, probably aside from someone's mother, of their spouse. she sees him in the best light possible and was able to convey and present and show -- she demonstrated that -- she seemed smitten with her husband. i don't know that that necessarily moves the needle a ton anywhere given what the extreme positions are of donald trump's presidency when it came to women and then even now. we haven't talked about this, basil. as long as there's a conversation about who is going to be the nominee it drowns out the kinds of arguments that are being made. >> that's absolutely right. again, the aftermath was worse than the initial thing -- than the catalyst. yes, you have to keep coming back to what's at stake here.

that's not saying we have to vote like they do in parliamentary elections. the person is compelling. kamala harris, if it's not her, i don't know who it will be. those persons negatives are untested and they'll be untested 100 days out. this is not a place we should be experimenting because there's so much at stake. >> great to have both of you here. coming up on "chris jansing reports" can money change joe biden's mind. new reporting on how some of the biggest donors in the country are trying to force him out of the race. ♪♪

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cash is king in a presidential campaign and we just got new reporting that the joe biden campaign fundraising as, quote, dried up. a person with knowledge of the projection says they now expect the campaign will only raise 25% of the big donor money it had originally projected to raise this month and that reporting comes right after "the new york times" said some democratic mega donors are reportedly trying to use their money to push president biden out of the race, saying in the last three weeks since biden's disastrous debate billionaires are turning into crafty political animals calling every politician they know encouraging them to call for mr. biden's removal and those deep pocket donors are dangling money to members of congress who say the right thing and withholding money from those who

do not, joining me "the new york times" who wrote that piece, teddy sliffer. teddy tell me more about the conversations because it seems like we're not just talking abe couple of people. >> reporter: i think every wealthy democratic donor right now is paging through their phonebook trying to see how they can get any leverage over joe biden. look there are not many mega donors out there vocally supportive of the biden remaining the nominee, the problem is very few of them seem to think they can do very little about it. it feels over the last 24 hours maybe the dam is breaking or partially breaking and we'll only know in future how much is because of donor pressure but if you're nancy pelosi or chuck schumer or hakeem jeffries right now, the consensus you're getting when you look at your text messages is pretty clear, they want biden out. >> are there any democratic

donors who have told you they're getting pushback on those calls? >> reporter: you know, i think there are some democratic operatives and officeholders who have called for patience but that's wearing thin. right now, as we're speaking there are obviously conversations happening about biden's viability. and donors i guess you could say made progress, you might think, at least when the history of this is written. when i started talking to democratic donors right after the debate there was a lot of nervous energy. the feeling that we've got to do something, find some way to hold their money over biden's head. and they didn't make progress for a long time. a week ago, you might have thought donors were going to take a loss here. but i think over recently we're beginning to see major democratic politicians call for biden to step aside. and, you know, major donors are going to at least claim credit

for that, look, joe biden obviously, has been in politics for a really long time. he's dealt with donors for a really long time. there's a bunker mentality in the biden campaign. around whether or not a few billionaires think he should leave the race biden seems unconvinced by those people and that's where it stands right now. >> in the meantime you've also reported on republican vice presidential candidate jd vance's billionaire tech friends. and i wonder how his connections to silicon valley are working what it might mean for the trump/vance raising? >> reporter: yeah, talk about the polar opposite mood, you know, here at the republican convention, there's so much talk about silicon valley. you know, jd vance is in some extent a creature of the tech, i think that's overstated a little bit. but republicans are exuberant about the new industry, obviously the wealthiest people in the world who seem to be

shedding any inhibition they have over supporting policies, you know. elon musk is the talk of time. david sacks, spoke to republicans a few nights ago. peter thiel, who hired jd vance and became a role in jd vance becoming a senator. there's so much momentum around the republican ticket. and you would forget for a hot second that lots of officeholders including president trump have said pretty critical things about the tech industry. they're clearly excited about the entrepreneurs and founders who control a lot of cash and seem to be consolidating around the republican party. >> teddy, thank you so much for that. before we go, we are getting a statement from someone close to the biden camp. and it reflects, we are told, what many people close to him are feeling. a lack of -- a level of extreme frustration with what they see as people having a lack of

loyalty toward their president. let me read this statement obtained by mike memoli, a source close to president biden, responding to pressure building to step aside with some of the moat aggressive pushback from former leaders that includes president obama. quote, can we all remember for a minute that the same people trying to push joe biden out are the same people who literally gave us all donald trump. in 2015, obama, pelosi, schumer pushed biden aside in favor of hillary. they were wrong and they are wrong now, the source tells nbc. the source pointed to polling in the 2016 election that showed hillary clinton leading by as much as nine points. how did all of this work out for everyone in 2016y perhaps we should just learn a few lessons. one of them is polls are bs. just ask secretary clinton. so some of the strongest language and the toughest

pushback we have heard from biden world. and i'll just remind you if you weren't watching, quentin fulks, campaign manager on this program just an hour and a half ago. telling me there's been no change, joe biden says he's going nowhere. that does it for this cover. our special coverage continues with katy tur live at the rnc, next. and that doesn't work when you're writing a mystery and i knew i needed to do something so i started taking prevagen. i realized that i was much more clear, much sharper. i was remembering the details that i was supposed to. prevagen keeps my brain working right. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription.

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