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good to be with you, i'm katy tur. we are close to the end. that is one person close to president biden who previously doubted biden would step aside tells nbc news that, quote, they're finally realizing it's a when, not if as president biden isolates in delaware with covid, closed-door hand wringing from congress most senior party leaders and elders all of that is spilling out in the open. the associated press reports that former president barack obama has privately expressed concerns to democrats about biden's candidacy. and "the washington post" has reports that obama has told allies in recent days that biden's ability has quickly diminished and to reconsider the viability of his candidacy.

and that's from multiple people. the dissent is more direct. cnn reports that nancy pelosi has told the president that polling says he cannot win. sources teld nbc news that senate majority leader chuck schumer had a blunt conversation with the state of the race with joe biden on saturday. house minority leader hakeem jeffries has done the same. semafor reports jeffrey katzenberg, the co-hair has told president biden in las vegas this week that big donors have all but stopped writing checks. joining us now nbc news ryan nobles, nbc news senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez. and "the new york times" and nbc only analyst peter baker. gabe, it's showing within the white house this is the end for president biden. what you can tell us? >> reporter: yeah, that's right,

katy. look, multiple people familiar with the dynamics say there is a feeling among biden allies that we are close to the end, that's according to nbc news reporting, again. katy, we're actually getting some pushback just within a last few minutes from a source close to president biden who says, can we all just remember for a minute that these are the same people trying to push joe biden out, they're the same people who literally gave us all donald trump. so, you see this unfolding, katy, as this continues to drag on for several days. they're pointing to the scars of 2015. when vice president biden felt pushed out in favor of hillary clinton. and back then, you know, she lost to donald trump. so president biden's allies insist that he is still in this race. but privately, as you were mentioned, the political ground has really shifted in the last 24/48 hours, and there are now

real concerns about where this goes from here, katy. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you very much. ryan nobles, what's it like on the hill? i know lawmakers are back at home in their districts but what are you hearing? >> reporter: the act has not subsided in any way, shape or form. it's been consistent from that day a couple weeks ago. there's been ebb and flow from the pressure in the campaign put on in the house and some democrats but now it's reached a fever pitch. we know the most important people from the democratic party from a congressional perspective, chuck schumer, hakeem jeffries, nancy pelosi have had conversations with president biden that showed the polling that indicates it's a difficult path to win. it's clear that many of these democrats believe that a different course of action would be necessary for not only the president or the party to be successful in the fall election in the presidential election but

also in the down-ballot races in both the house and the senate. and in just the last few minutes, a new development, jamie raskin of maryland someone who very much admires president biden has been a long supporter of president biden is out with a new letter in "the new york times" he is now calling on president biden to consider stepping down. he said there's no shame to taking a well deserved bow to the crowd when your arm is tired out there's real danger for the team and ignoring the statistics. he goes on to write the situation is tricky because you are both our star pitcher and our manager. but in democracy you have shown us more than any prior president. you are not a manager acting alone you're the co-manager, along with our great team and our great people. mr. president, hear them out, you will make the right decision. and that is the theme that we've heard over and over again from democrats that may not be

willing to come out out and make that bold statement, that you should step down, mr. president. they're asking him to make the right decision for the party, for the democracy, for the future of the country and what they're intimmaing it's time for someone tolls take the baton. it's something that remains to be seen. >> i'm not sure if my mic has been on, if you're hearing operas in the background. that's one of president trump's operas. it's let no one sleep but lets no one speak as it got so loud. peter, with all of the aides and bigwigs in the democratic party saying it's time for president biden to go including the reporting from "the washington post," what is it like in the inner circle at the white house

right now what information is president biden getting? >> reporter: yeah, that's a great question, kind of a big question, right? we know what congressional leaders have told, at least with people they've talked with but we don't know 100% exactly what the inner circle is telling them. we can tell you, mike dolan, a complete loyalist, a biden aide somebody he trusts impolicistly. it's a winnable race, a competitive race, it's a path to victory. we have heard over time that the family, of course, has been encouraging him to stay in. but are there other aides who are beginning to say, no sir, this is not the case? that's not as clear. the mood inside the white house is grim, obviously, they feel very besieged at this point. and they're besieged not by republicans but fellow democrats that's what makes this so difficult. what is besieged the democratic campaign by order of leaks to

urge the president to drop out. they argue that the stories that you're running, we're running until papers and other places are all part of the surreptitious effort to step down. and i think the worry that is likely that the president bristles at that and gets more stubborn all the way around because he doesn't like the idea of being pushed to something he doesn't want to do. >> peter baker, ryan nobles, thank you very much. joining us, political analyst chuck todd and the nation's national affairs correspondent john nichols. and the biden team and biden himself will say these are elites. this is the democratic donor class trying to push me out. what do they know? look what happened in 2020? everybody counted me out but they're not counting on the voters here and what the voters say about joe biden. there's a polling out there, we've seen the numbers. i got out and spoke -- we mentioned this the other day, i

spoke to voters in wauwatosa, wisconsin, democratic voters and i asked them what they thought of joe biden. let's listen. >> you look like you need to have a conversation about politics. it's just like you scream ask me about the presidential election? >> no. >> no. >> no, no. >> are you not excited? >> they're both annoying. >> they're both annoying? >> like, they're both not good candidates. >> no one is exciting me nationwide. >> it just sucks. >> sure does. >> i mean, if i'm being honest, they're just old white men. >> for me, it's almost like an offensive vote against trump. >> do you want joe biden to run? >> oh, if i had the choice, i mean, he would have exited and we would have had literally anyone else? >> would you prefer somebody else? >> i don't know if i have a specific candidate but i think there are better candidates than biden 0 the democratic side. >> what would you want to see

from that candidate if it was someone else. >> someone not at old. ♪♪ >> someone not as old. thankfully, that tape played while they were getting the crescendo of the. now it's over. >> wauwatosa -- >> it's a town? >> it really is a town that's republican, it's had a lot of out-movement from the city. and now, it's a town where democrats do pretty well. it's where they've got to do well. in wisconsin, democrats have to do well in innerring suburbs and places like that. so what you have there is a good sample, and frankly, they would say wauwatosa is elite. >> this is emblematic of what the democratic party needs in a state like wisconsin, you've got to get people off the couch and into a voting booth, you've got to excite them. not just the just to vote against the other guy which

worked for the reasons you laid out because of covid and whatnot. but when the stakes don't seem as dire in their everyday lives. >> and i keep coming back to why are all of these elected democrats so panicked, particularly house democrats? because the majority, the path of majority to the house goes through blue states. so they need democrats not to be demoralized sitting on the couch in new york. they've got seven districts in those blue states. so they need a democratic base that is fired up somebody something. look, the polling says it you can get antidotes, you can get whatever you want. i don't know what biden is looking at -- >> well, here's -- >> look, trump can lose this election because he's donald trump. there's 100%. so, he's never -- if he wants to say to himself he has a shot at winning he can but he's not going to win this campaign.

he has to hope trump loses the election. >> but isn't what he's looking at who else could follow him and make a case? and to give president biden some credit on that when i was talking to voters, well, who else do you like? i got ah, ooh -- they don't know. they don't know who the other contenders could be. >> sure. >> it's a failure of the white house for not elevating anybody when he was supposed to be a bridge. but the main candidate is not as good as joe biden or donald trump. >> doesn't matter? >> why? >> because when it happens that name recognition has got to be incredibly high. this is not the 1980s. >> you're not waiting for the morning paper. >> right. and does that attention get into people's social media feeds? get to the people who aren't reading newspapers or cable news? >> yes, yes, because it will be

wall-to-wall. because this conversation has taken over not just the democratic party but pretty much society. i -- when i walk down the street, people will pull me right to the side if they know me from whatever. what do you think, what's happening? so this is a big deal. and if it comes down, if it does, i talked last night to a democratic party chair, a smart, capable chair who said there's still a way for biden. so, understand, it's there. >> yeah. >> i'm saying when this comes down, if there is the switch, it is going to be wall-to-wall, dominant. it will be history and everybody will actually do that rare thing in politics which is say, i want to download this. tell me about this person. >> right. well, what's fascinating is, four weeks ago, the country wasn't interested in getting new information about donald trump or joe biden. >> no. >> all of a sudden, i think tonight, the one opportunity he

has, more people are going to tune in out of curiosity tonight. >> to see what he's like -- >> to see what he's like post-assassination attempt. if the democrats name a new nominee, kamala harris who you may think the country has -- >> -- made up its mind. >> -- made up its mind on her. they're going to -- oh, let me what this version is. all of a sudden, you're going to have a -- potentially more engaged electorate. and a more engaged electorate suddenly scrambles things up. if you're the democrats right now, the chess board is check mate. every move is check mate with biden. a whole bunch of check mates, the shot is to take the board and throw it up in the air. >> kamala harris -- >> no i want to talk about kamala harris. >> she has a great story. in a way, she sort of benefits by not being told, right, by not being told enough. she was raised by a single mother who was a cancer researcher.

she moved around the country. she's done a lot of interesting things. you can -- you know, some people like her, some don't. but the bottom line is there's a lot to fill in there. and it's actually -- it's actually a pretty compelling story. >> and i will say this, in some ways now that she knows what time of democrat she is -- >> yeah. >> -- her presidential campaign was a mess because she was told to try to sound like a progressive. >> be prosecutor at the moment. >> at the moment, she was trying to pretend -- i'm not trying -- she was trying to sound more progressive than she really was. and every once in a while, it was the health care plan. this time, she's got a record that she's going to run on which is the biden/harris record, right? in some ways she doesn't have to vacillate through appeasing the medicare people. she doesn't have to do much with it. >> but i think she'll do fine with it. >> she has, and essentially you defend the biden ideology.

>> and -- >> no, go ahead. >> and people don't know that she's been biden's point person on labor. she's literally the person that goes and speaks at every convention. who is on the phone when it strikes, you know, how's it going? >> right. >> bottom line, she's got a rolodex whatever we call it in our phone -- >> so does the union endorsement follow behind kamala harris if joe biden steps aside? still a lot of ifs. >> i do think running mates can help with that insider stuff. >> say it is kamala harris, they don't just open it. you. >> i really don't think they will. >> who is -- >> by the way, in order to do that, you actually have to get 600 -- i've got the rules on this, you got to get your own signatures of delegates to get in the roll call and you can't have more than 50 from one state. the point is -- there's actually a process here, it's going to hard to challenge harris for the domination.

>> if she's the nominee, who would be the best to pick? i know we want to talk about andy beshear, and gretchen whitmer, and the prospect of two women on a ticket. i think the traditional belief is all women can't win because of sexists out there and what happened to hillary clinton but that doesn't true. >> somebody who isn't going to vote -- somebody who says i'm not going to vote for kamala harris because she's a woman but if it's a guy, it's okay? >> no. >> that's not how it works. the people that aren't going to vote for her aren't going to vote for her. i argued that hillary clinton should pick elizabeth warren because she had run against bernie sanders there was a progressive force within the party ill-at ease. i think it would be highly effective. >> i'll make a point here -- >> no i'm going to make -- this

convention has made the whitman idea more feasible to me. this is a very bro-ish convention, okay? jd vance. hulk hogan. >> the rock. >> right, this is a very testosterone-heavy, you know, ticket. witmer/harris are two tough women. my instinct is, ooh, i don't know that would work. against this ticket it would. i think it changes the conversation in the fall. >> i also think generation seekers -- >> the safe picks are going to be governors. >> yeah. >> andy bashir is a safe pick, mark kelly, maybe a josh shapiro is a safe pick. bashir, two-time senator, son of

a politician. easiest person to put on a ticket if you're building aen airplane that takes off, he's safe. >> i'm giving an argument from whitmer a politically engaged family. >> right. >> and here's one for thing for whitmer she actually comes from a swing state. >> fair enough. >> getting doom and gloom, talking about inflation and using headlines and audio. all right. get ready for tonight. gentlemen, thank you very much. still ahead what the fbi says it has learned about the internet search by the shooter. plus, what went wrong? calls for the secret service director to step down. jeh johnson joins us in what should happen next. and will a new speech bring a different message? what to expect from donald trump. we are back in 90 seconds.

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new video from saturday shows the would-be assassin thomas crooks standing outside the perimeter before donald trump took the stage. two sources told nbc news the department of homeland security said the secret service spotted the shooter about ten minutes before donald trump started speaking and 20 minutes before he opened fire. joining us nbc news

investigative correspondent tom winter. that is quite a time line, tom. >> reporter: it is quite a time line, katy. we still have more questions off of it, who was told what and when. we know the police told the secret service about this man. and reports of him being on the roof moments before the shots were actually fired. how that was conveyed to the secret service countersnipers or membes of the team on the ground. there are still questions obviously it's going to take more reporting and investigating pouring over this by members of secret service and members of law enforcement. before we get any answers. you're looking on top of that roof several days ago, perhaps earlier today, actually, going over what is the effective key component of the crime scene. obviously, we see crooks standing outside the security perimeter, it's been clear he was hanging around this site moving from place to place quite

often. one of the things we've picked up thanks to our colleagues on the hill, capitol hill here and nbc news, in the briefing yesterday, apparently the fbi director said an initial review of electronic devices indicates that he was searching for this particular rally site for trump in advance and also looking up the dates of the dnc. so, again, this further clouds the issue of what the motive might have been here. was he just looking to attack politicians? was he looking to attention various national events to get some sort of attention for himself? was this anti-trump? i think on that stage, something that hasn't been put out there as much and something that we have to keep an open mind to, law enforcement officials say, and this isn't derived from the evidence, but just keeping an open mind in all of this was was trump was not conservative enough? was that trump did something or recent platform changes that led

him to make the decisions he made? or could it have nothing to do with trump? it just remains a mystery on the motive and something that we're continuing to investigate and so are federal investigators. >> tom winter, thank you very much. coming up next, send them back, former dhs secretary jeh johnson on the rnc. and news on the secret service. later, he said he tore up his speech, so what will donald trump message tonight be?

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security oversees the secret service and now the agency's inspector general has launched not one but two investigations into what happened on saturday. how a shooter could get into the line of sight of a former president. especially after he was already flagged as a suspicious person. joining us now former dhs secretary jeh johnson. jeh, it's really good to have you, we're just learning that kim cheadle here at the rnc met with donald trump. what might she have said? >> i can't begin to speculate about that, katy. i can only imagine. it might have been an apology for what happened. and beyond that, it's very difficult for me to speculate. >> let's talk about the roam of the secret service and what they did on saturday. or did not do. >> yes. >> we're getting more information about the time line. that the shooter was spotted a full 20 minutes before he fired

any shots. he was noted as a suspicious person, even earlier than that. >> yeah. >> what happened? why was donald trump, at the very least, why was he still on stage? >> katy, there is no -- in my mind, there is no justification for that time line. you know, we say to the public, over and over again, if you see something, say something. it would appear that members of the public at this event did their job by trying to alert law enforcement. but someone in law enforcement, someone if the secret service did not. i spoke to a very, very senior rear tired member of the secret service the day after. he said i bet it was a failure of communication. i think it's important, katy, to point out that there's -- it wasn't just -- it hasn't just been dumb luck that it's been 43 years since anyone tried to take a shot at a president or a candidate oar a former

president. it's because of the hard work and dedication of the men and women of the secret service who are literally willing to take a bullet for their protectee, as you saw, this past saturday. however, there are some really hard questions that have to be asked and answered here. why that chronology? why did the secret service not take steps to secure every rooftop, every open window that might be in the line of fire of the protectee. one of the major lessons learned from november 22nd, 1963, is when you have a protectee in the open-air environment, you have to secure ande wary of rooftops, open windows like the texas book depository. and that's not the responsibility of local law enforcement. you just can't say, well, we'll let local law enforcement take care of that. the secret service has to take care that somebody is taking care of that. >> should kim cheadle resign?

>> katy, i will not second-guess any decisions there. ten years ago, we had a somewhat similar situation where a secret service director was under fire. she had to give testimony before congress. and with some suggestions, she did resign. this is an entirely different situation. i'm not going to second-guess the director or the secretary of dhs or the president about what should happen next. but there's some hard questions that have to be answered. >> yeah. let's talk a little bit about what's happening here at the rnc. >> sure. >> a big push on immigration here. >> yep. >> shutting down all of the borders and mass deportations. i want to play a little bit of what was said last night on stage. >> and he will arrest the criminal, illegal immigrants and put them behind bars. or send them back.

[ chanting ] >> send them back, send them back, send them back. also handing out cards with mass deportations now. is that even feasible, jeh? >> to some eyes and ears it's a bumper sticker but if you were to undertake that you'd face three harsh realities. one, there are certain countries that will not accept them back. when you deport somebody it's a repatriation, so the country has to accept them back. a mass deportation movement will reenergy cities, president trump will know that from his first term in office. and there's a matter of

resources. there have to be priorities in enforcing immigration laws, what we did in the obama administration, what this administration isoi and what the trump administration did is prioritize those who represent public security dangers, national security dangers. i'd rather go after the convicted criminals who are deportable who are not in this country illegally, versus spending the time to root out people in this country ten years who have children, who are u.s. citizens, who have jobs, you have to have priorities for the sake of public safety. >> was that a clear majority in congress, among the democrats at least, do you see this as an issue that can be resolved? or is this just too potent, something to campaign on? >> that's a good question. i think that no matter who has the majority, in the next term, whoever is president, the bill

negotiated between chris murphy and jim lankford and kyrsten sinema is a good strong security bill. it has lots of goo resources in it. more resources, good judges, changing the asylum law that do not a change in my judgment, not just a change in regulation. and that's just a starting point on how to reform the broken system in the next term, whoever the president is. >> let me ask you about joe biden who is facing increased pressure to step aside. what do you think he should do? you worked with him. >> i did when he was vice president, and i consider president biden to be a friend. i hope he considers me a friend. i won't presume to tell him, or suggest to him what he should do. it's a very political and personal decision. but if president biden decides to step aside, i will be very happy for him.

to me, it would be a liberation of sorts for him. and almost, literally, a new lease on life. people will not be scrutinizing every time he steps off an airplane. how he walks, what he does with his arms and his hands and his speech in every interview. and as i see it, he could go out a winner. spend the next six months, it's almost exactly six months in his term, trying to heal the nation in a bipartisan way. and what he does well, talk to all of the people in this country, without campaigning. and leave that to someone else. i think if he undertook that, i would be very, very happy for him. he would go out a winner and never having lost a general election in over half a century. >> and, again, you say that as a friend? >> yes. >> if he were to do that, how do

you feel about the democrats that could take his place? what do you think ofamala harris? would that be your choice? >> well, again, i'm not a political strategist. it would seem to me, at this late date, if the president were to leave the race, she would presumptively be the front-runner, the party apparatus would almost certainly behind her. the delegates selected so far were selected for biden/harris. so presumably, he would be the front-runner if he were to step aside. >> jeh johnso former secretary of the department of homeland security. thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. and one party is freaking out. the other is unified. what that marked contrast could mean with just a few months left before the presidential election. plus, what do dana white, hulk hogan and kid rock have in

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lyrics, also hulk hogan and the ufc president dana white which kind of leads to you believe there may not be a not so subtle message behind donald trump to close the rnc. joining us is garrett haake and vaughn hillyard. that not so subtle that we're hear this early, that not so subtle message to fight, garrett. >> reporter: yeah, look, katy, coming from someone who had kid rock's album when i was in middle school, it's pretty weird trying to talk over him in a live shot. donald trump has made his political identity on the idea of being a fighter. he'll fight anybody. that's part of the reason we're seeing a wwe fighter, a fake fighter and the ceo of a company that has a sport here. and a speech that's going to arrive heavily on donald trump's fist pump after the

assassination attempt on saturday. it's certainly the impression i got after talking to eric trump earlier about the speech earlier today, let's listen to that with no musical background. >> it's going to be an amazing night. he wants to put this country first again, right? this country is failing in every aspect of governance. our economy stinks. everything is far too expensive, interest rates sucks, we have wars breaking out all over the globe and no one is doing anything about it. we have an administration asleep at the wheel. and our country deserves it. a man got shot up, with blood down his face, saying fight, fight, fight, this country needs a fighter. >> reporter: there's not going to be a lot of punches pulled to expand the metaphor here. i expect him to go after the joe biden and biden administration pretty aggressively. >> a couple hours ago, you told

me you could write 10,000 words on president trump and the wwe. and how it transforms, we have the old images of donald trump tackling mcmahon at wwe events. i told that specifically to you, garrett, to inspire that 10,000-word essay. vaughan, we're all talking about whether or not donald trump's tone is going to change? will the tone change -- maybe, but what about the instance? >> reporter: i'm glad garrett started out the segment. i was never a wwe guy. this is not the first fight song. hillary clinton tried it in 2016 and it didn't work out too well. maybe in 2024 it will for donald trump. in terms of rhetoric, maybe the song answers the question here. the social media account of donald trump has done the most talking publicly that we've heard from him this week. i'll read you part of the social

media post, this is donald trump, goat, democrats are attempting to interfere in the presidential election and destroying the justice system by attacking the honorable supreme court. those are the words of donald trump on social media. the question here, for nine years we've been talking about a pivot and this is the only near-death experience that donald trump has been through. i have not been through one of those. maybe this is the man that changes the rhetoric and the man for three months. but there are conversations taking place. there are conversations about union knewing america for nine years now. and donald trump has found it politically advantageous to play a different type of offensive ball game by galvanizing his force around strong rhetoric and policies often. and it's worked for him often. so, i guess tonight will be an indicator what direction he'd like to take it in terms of awritten speech. we'll be next to see, in the next 112 days whether he intends

to carry that out including saturday for his first rally on the road in grand rapids, michigan. >> listen, having a near-death experience if there's one in your life to change you it's going to be that. with the context that he says or the way he says it, but the policies being put forward here at this rnc, garrett are not changed. they're very much in line with the red meat version of donald trump the stuff that makes democrats shudder and inflames them. like the immigration talk. >> reporter: that's exactly right, there's nothing about donald trump's policies that are going to change for what happened on saturday. at least he's given no indication of that, i haven't heard him come out and talk about changing america's gun laws as an effect of being shot on saturday. and that was the case when steve scalise was shot as well. to your point, there have been signs handed out among attendees today saying mass deportation

now. they've taken one of the more -- sort of -- on its face, shocking policy proposals that donald trump has put out in this campaign that he will deport millions of people who are here illegally. embraced so much they've literally printed on signs. so the idea that policies are, you know, shocking to other people on the other side of the aisle for donald trump will somehow change there's just no evidence for it. the wrapping paper might change but what's inside is very much the same. >> garrett and vaughan, thank you. we begin this hour with "nessun dorma" and kid rock. quite a spectrum. is surreal. gentlemen, appreciate it. i'm a fish fan. on the last day of rnc, what is the state of the race? surrender, if you will, to the flow. flow you fixed it. you looked after it. maybe it's time for your home to start taking care of you?

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see themselves reflected not only in the conversations that people like you and i have on television and in the news and on the radio and on the internet, but if from our politicians. and it just makes me think about an experience i had recently in omaha. i think we talk often about omaha, nebraska, there's only two states in the country that do that. if there's the dreaded 269 electoral college tie, which seems farfetched that be usual, that district in nebraska could be what puts president biden or whoever the democrat is over the top because usually the state goes to republicans. but that state goes for democrats. and i am spoiling a report that our viewers are going to see, but i went to a place that's 103 years old. and when i walked in, the guy who invited me there, i thought he wanted to talk about foreign wars and the politics of the kapds. but i realized that people were

there from all over the omaha area to buy a loaf of bread for $1. i said to the people f you bought this loaf of bread in a store elsewhere, how much would it cost? $2.50. they are getting mull million loaves of bread. the way life is today, it's hard. life is hard for so many people. people are driving from all around a state to go buy a particular loaf of bread because they feel like that can make their life better. and how often do we hear politicians talking about stories like that? and if whom overthe democratic nominee s try to do this here with ordinary people. if they can reflect that, that's going to go a long way to winning over the small portion. >> the democratic party have been trying to say the economy is doing better. the numbers show that it is. wages are up. unemployment is down. inflation is down. >> people are driving two hours round trip to buy a dollar loaf of bread. >> things are better than they used to, but there are still

stories like the one you said. how do you speak to a voter and tell them, things are getting better when their life is not getting better as quickly as they want it to be. >> i don't think telling people things are getting better when people feel like they aren't is a winning strategy. it's going to a place and showing people that you're listening. >> and yet you talk way more than you listen. >> i have been talking a lot. at the end of the day, if somehow the politicians can show they are adherence to that philosophy, i think it makes people believe them in a way that they wouldn't normally. don't you? >> i hope steve soboroff is watching. steve, to ears, one mouth. >> it's a pretty big mouth. >> thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts after this short break. e: whites after this short break cologuard is for people 45+

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