next week. i think the next 48 hours are going to be really, really important, katy, and not only the decision that president biden's making but the rest of the democratic party, and that remains the big story coming out of the convention in milwaukee. >> mark murray, john nichols, thank you very much. that's going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. i will be back on the air on monday, maybe even earlier, "chris jansing reports" starts right now. >> good day, i'm chris jansing, more committed than ever. that's how joe biden's campaign chair is characterizing the president's resolve as he fends off growing calls to leave the presidential race. have democrats run out of ways to force his hand? and while they continue a painful waiting game with joe

biden holding all the cards, republicans are leaving their convention confident and unified. then again, president trump's promise of a more unifying message didn't last for the 93 minutes, what that means for the campaign as republicans chart their path forward. plus, the blue screen making millions see red. the global computer glitch of historic proportions that's knocked out key services and grounded tens of thousands of airline flights worldwide. as one security consultant said, it's basically what we were all worried about with y2k, except this time it actually happened. but we begin with the president and his campaign defiant in the growing pressure and escalating numbers of democrats calling for him to withdraw and new nbc reporting this morning that his family is considering what an exit could look like. but in a rare interview on this network, the head of the biden/harris campaign acknowledged the concerns but

insisted as the president has that the voters are with him. so let me tell you exactly what she had to say. i'm talking about jen o'malley dillon. as he's been hearing the discussions and concerns that have been talked about on your show and others, he's also hearing from voters. they say we've got you, joe. stay with us. for every person who said we're concerned, we have another person who says we're with you, joe. we want to be with you. and she said further, the broad coalition of people that stand with the president is bigger and wider than the people who don't want him to run. i am confident that when we get back to taking the race to donald trump we've got the time to do it, and we can bring home the people who are concerned because when people see them head to head, there's no doubt in my mind people will be with joe biden. so the steady drip, drip of democrats calling for joe biden to step aside continues, eight more today including another

senator, although, the total number of those who have publicly called for him to withdraw still amounts to just over 10% of all democrats in congress. again, publicly called. and multiple sources tell nbc that democrats are coalescing around the idea that it's not a matter of if joe biden steps down as their nominee, but when. i want to bring in nbc's monica alba who's covering the white house, steve kornacki is at the big board, peter baker is "the new york times" chief white house correspondent and an msnbc political analyst, with me in studio former new york democratic congressman joe crowley. good to see all of you. peter, you report today that people close to joe biden believe he has begun to accept the idea he may not be able to win in november. very carefully worded reporting as we should all be doing right now, but how do you reconcile that with what we're hearing from his campaign chair just this morning, and then also coupled with bernie sanders making yet another very public statement of support. >> yeah, look, you know, the

campaign, of course, is not going to try to cut off the president's options by suggesting he is anything other than in this race up until the moment he may change his mind. if he does change his mind, obviously, you know, that will make these statements inoperative. but for the moment he hasn't changed his mind. what people around him are saying is he seems to be increasingly accepting that he may need to. he has been shaken by a number of factors. first of all, nancy pelosi's private but very insistent conclusion that he may not be able to win in the fall. secondly, the changing electoral college map that looks like his path to 270 votes needed for victory is increasingly difficult, and lastly, the dry up of money from big donors. you know, a lot of donors are very angry, and they have said they're going to boycott unless he steps aside. these three factors have shaken him. while he hasn't made up his mind, a lot of people around him think it's heading in that direction, to the point where even some of his advisers are having the conversation you all

are talking about that his family may be having, which is what would it look like? how would they schedule it? what would be the timing for that? what would be a day that that would be most beneficial to him? that's where things stand at the moment. >> all right, congresswoman, what do you make of these two things? they often seem like they're at odds, they're obviously not. you have very strong public denials, person after person after person in the campaign, emails that we're getting from the campaign saying joe biden is in this campaign and then i thought susan glasser in the new yorker put it very well, she said this is becoming the democratic a coup like crescendo. what do you know? what do you think? >> well, maybe to quote from patrick henry, these are the times that try democrats' souls. you know, i never thought we'd be in this position, quite frankly. the president is the presumptive nominee, and still is. and i see especially in those

front line districts, those members, i served as the chair of the democratic caucus. i know many of these members quite well. and it's not about them. it really isn't about them personally. >> but what are they telling you? >> well, you know, i'm getting from both sides people who think we have to stay the course and the more we do this, the more we damage ourselves with this infighting. and at the same time, i hear from others who really are concerned about not only losing the presidency but losing any opportunity to win back the house of representatives and to hold onto the senate, and that's really important. again, it's not about them individually. they're not belly aching because they know their seats are difficult to begin with, but this is also about the future of the country, not just the presidency, but also the house and particularly the senate. we know the overwhelming power that senators have in terms of the future of our country, in judicial nominations and getting them over the top. it's important for president biden when he's reelected in

that capacity to have that ability to get those things done, without a republican-controlled senate. >> all right, monica, i want to play a little bit more of what jennifer o'malley dillon had to say this morning. >> absolutely the president's in this race. you've heard him say that time and time again, and i think we saw on display last night exactly why because donald trump is not going to offer anything new to the american people. he's the same person he was in 2020. he's the same person he was at the debate stage. he's the same person he is -- that is about himself and not about the american people, and joe biden is more committed than ever to beat donald trump. >> but to do that, of course, monica, they have to do what they say is key to their campaign, which is to compare joe biden with donald trump. they believe that's a winning strategy, but how do you get the focus off of joe biden and his struggles?

and especially right now, chris, when he is sidelined with covid. he's off the campaign trail. he's in rehoboth beach. now that the rnc has concluded, there would be this larger conversation about, okay, how is president biden, how is his campaign going to message on trying to build out this contrast, and certainly he won't be able to do anything in the immediate short-term because of his current covid diagnosis but he is saying in a new statement out that is mostly about the republican nominee's speech last night, that he looks forward to being back on the campaign trail next week to continue to talk about how his vision does contrast with donald trump's, and he says specifically he talks about something that he and many democrats have been trying to bring up all week long, which is to try to expose the threat of project 2025 and that agenda for a potential second trump term in office, while making the case for my own record and the vision that i have for america.

so of course that statement coming about midday today, chris. it didn't come last night. it didn't come necessarily this morning, but i think it's meant to add to those campaign exclamation points that we have been seeing from the memo and from what you just played from jen o'malley dillon, where they are insisting that the president is staying in this race, that he's committed to it, and that we're going to see him back on the trail once he recovers from covid, they say. >> even as they're doing that, i want to bring in ali vitali on capitol hill. we reported on new defections from team biden. they include two key people, lofgren and landsman, key in their own ways. explain why they could be significant. >> reporter: these are separate statements, and they come, chris, on top of hearing from one more senator and several more house members who are saying that they are urging the president to step down as the party's nominee. i'll take landsman and lofgren separately because they released their statement separately. greg landsman, ohio congressman,

early on in his term here. he is someone who has been publicly supportive of the president but clearly references in his statement that he thinks that now is the time. it's notable because he's a front line member. again, one of those key swing districts that democrats are going to have to hold on to if they hope to deep their numbers in the house where they are, and of course expand the map on top of that to take back the house. and then of course there's congresswoman zoe lofgren. this is something who is going to be well-known to our viewers most likely because of the prominent role she played on the january 6th committee. she's also a very well-respected and serious member of the house of representatives. she served here several terms. she has the respect of many of her colleagues, and not only that but she's very close with former speaker nancy pelosi. certainly this is another statement in addition to congressman adam schiff's the other day that really is going to turn heads and that people are going to look at as pelosi sending emissaries out to make clear that there is pressure within the party for biden to

step down and that there is certainly -- there are certainly more members behind the scenes who can come forward and continue that pressure campaign. there's one thing that i want to read to you in the letter that congressman lofgren sent to president biden, this is dated last night. she references, chris, the work that she's done on the january 6th committee. she says that she knows from her work there the danger of electing former president donald trump to another term in the white house, and she concludes in this letter to the president, simply put, your candidacy is on a trajectory to lose the white house and potentially impact crucial house and senate races down ballot. it is for these reasons that i urge you to step aside from our party's nomination. again, lofgren is someone who does not typically shift with the winds here, a very stoic and serious member. this is going to really, i think, send shock waves through the delegation, be it in california and through the democratic caucus writ large,

again, in part because of her stature within this caucus, and also because of her close ties to the former speaker here. again, as we're tracking a moment where in congress and we reported this late last night, the sense from sources that i've talked to is that it's not a matter of if anymore, instead it's a sense of when, and clearly we're watching today, there's a real pressure campaign on him as we head into the weekend. >> if i can speak maybe a little out of turn, before we went on the air and i said to you we just learned about zoe lofgren, you went oh. clearly you agree with what we just heard from ali. this is significant. >> it is significant in the sense that i think she is very close to nancy pelosi, as is adam schiff. you know, what i would say here is that the president cares very much about his country and about our country. he cares more about our country than he does himself. he's a very decent and honorable person.

he right now believes he's the only person who can beat donald trump. he did it last time. he's the only person who's ever defeated donald trump electorally, and i think he really believes that. but one thing i can't emphasize enough, he was a colleague of mine. he's one of the most decent people i've ever known, and he really loves his country, and i think he will always put his country first and not himself, unlike the other guy. >> does that make you think he should step aside? >> no, this is certainly something that's open to debate at this point. i'm for the president. i believe that we're doing an enormous amount of damage to ourselves, even if this process plays out that he's not the presidential candidate. but if he still is, we've done some really good damage here to him, and i think that's unfortunate. look, this has a ways to play out, apparently. it's unfortunate that he's contracted covid because it takes him off the platform at this point. >> well, more than that, i've heard some people suggest, congressman, you know, he really

has until the convention. it is july 19th. the convention isn't until august 19th. can the democrats afford to stay in this? will we or won't we support him for the next month? >> and it's damaging. there's no question about it that this is having an effect in terms of probably the poll numbers we're seeing, seeing the recent poll numbers of african american women have been the most loyal democratic voters and dropping some 30 points. i think that's something the president will look at and have to question. but the longer this goes out, you know, you're just sending a message to the people that are not going to be helpful to this president and, quite frankly, even to our overall pick whoever that may be if it's not joe biden. >> yeah, i think what we're seeing here, steve kornacki is the recognition that there is some concern out there about what down ballot races, what the impact might be on them. what do we know from the polls? >> yeah, so you see in some of these statements coming out,

references to that, not just the presidential race but the down ticket effect potentially. ill show you what democrats are fearing when they say that, and then there is a count intuitive point to make after that as well. let's start with what democrats are seeing. this is the average of all the national polls out there. the average has trump plus 3 over biden. now, again, we've been seeing since the end of last summer in the national polls donald trump has been leading joe biden. this number is not a huge departure in the wake of the debate. this is pretty consistent. this is like maybe a point worse than it's been for biden for the last year. but he is down by 3 in this average, and in the 2020 election, joe biden won the national popular vote by 4.5 points. so down 3 biden is here, off of a 4.5 popular vote win in 2020, means a swing of 7.5 points based on this poll away from biden towards trump. what a democrat would do looking

at that is say if that holds, a 7.5 point swing at the top of the ticket, you start to look at the balance of power in the house. the democrats didn't lose that much in 2022, and they're not far from a majority now, but look, you break it down. there are already 8 democratic seats in districts that were won by donald trump in 2020. these are basically -- these are districts that biden -- if you have a swing, a uniform swing, of course it wouldn't be even everywhere around the country. this is a general sense here. if you have the popular vote swinging by 7.5 votes, these seats potentially become very vulnerable for democrats. another category, this is that mid range there, 6 to 10 points here, and again, if the swing is going away from democrats at the top of the ticket, a lot of these could get a lot more endangered for democrats as well. so they fear that, they fear kind of a top of the ticket effect putting a lot of these states into play, maybe taking

some of them off the board. the counterintuitive point i will mention, you're seeing this flood of democrats coming out, lots of talk about the polls being bad for biden from democrats and calls for him to get out of the race. we have seen something like this before, and it was only eight years ago. and it was when dozens of republican lawmakers a month before the 2016 election called on donald trump to leave the race, convinced that he had zero path to victory. and i only raise this because obviously we know trump won, but the question is why did trump win, and one of the possibilities for why trump won in 2016 was that ultimately through all of that, at the end of the day, when you saw the numbers for his opponent, hillary clinton, there was among a critical chunk of voters in 2016, just enough deep rooted opposition to clinton that they were willing in the end to vote for donald trump even as they told pollsters that they didn't

think trump was honest, trustworthy, that was their level of willingness to vote against hillary clin ton. i only raise that now. we'll see what happens from this convention, but donald trump's poll numbers are not very good right now when it comes to a lot of these questions, favorable, unfavorable, honest, trustworthy, january 6th stuff still, you know, when you poll on that, so that would be what the biden folks say. looking at all of this, they would say, hey, it's not out of reach, and the negatives on trump are so high. there's still an opportunity, even for all of these profound doubts that people are expressing in polls about joe biden, it's not so much maybe that biden wins the race, the possibility that trump still is capable of losing the race. >> okay, peter. so arguments available on both sides, right? so let me ask you some near future questions for both sides. for people who want joe biden to

step aside, how long are they willing to keep it up if he keeps saying i am the nominee, as our congressman pointed out, there's real damage that can be done the longer you drag this out. on the other side, for joe biden, if he decides to leave the race. there's not only the question of how he does it, but what is the plan? what's the overall plan who replaces him, is there a plan so that two-part question, are there any real answers yet in. >> well, it's all speculation, of course, but right now there's a feeling among most of the democrats i talk to that this needs to be resolved in the next few days. the republican convention ended last night, sort of reopened the floodgates again. you're seeing that with some of these calls from house democrats putting out these statements. the feeling that they need to settle on this one way or the other because they are heading toward the last 100 days of the campaign. the ballots for the democratic

national convention go out in the next few days. the plan is to have a virtual roll call by august 7th to avoid any possible snafu with getting on the ballot in ohio. that's even before they meet in chicago. if the president were to decide to decline the nomination, they'll have to reopen things. you can see how fast this is moving and how short a time there is left. we haven't seen anything like this in our lifetime. we haven't had an open convention where a candidate chosen by a convention and not by primaries in generations. so everybody is kind of making it up as they go along. the big question is if the president does decide to step aside, does he endorse kamala harris, does he say she's my choice. i made her my vice president, i think you should make her your nominee, which would probably clear the field. people say, look, she needs to make her case like every other possible democrat. it's a jump ball. >> the little mini primary, peter baker, monica alba, steve

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computer screen of death rained down global chaos, during what experts now say is the largest i.t. outage in history. a software glitch in the cybersecurity platform crowdstrike automatically updated to microsoft devices overnight freezing critical infrastructure systems everywhere from hospitals to banks to airports. worldwide, there have been 31,929 flight delays since midnight. pictures show piles of stranded luggage, winding lines of people waiting up to three hours just to get information. passengers waiting for their flight slept inside a plane jetway in l.a. using their bags and sweatshirts as pillows. a slightly more comfortable situation in minnesota, although not by much, people sleeping across chairs at a gate's waiting area. and in india, a traveller took this photo of a handwritten boarding pass. is that even accepted. joining me now, nbc's tom

costello in d.c., brian cheung is here with me. i'm sure you guys have been working since the very early morning hours. let's start with you, tom, and what the airlines are saying right now. >> well, and the reason we're starting with airlines is because they were the first canary in the coal mine on this thing. airlines immediately last night started reporting their computers were down. they started canceling flights and then that rippled through the entire morning and into the day. here's where we stand right now. i count 6,000 delays in the united states right now, chris. 2,200 flight cancellations. that's just an astonishing number on what is really a pretty clear sky day across the country, and this is a global phenomenon, as you suggested. we're hearing about people all over the world who have literally been stuck unable to move, not only, of course, airports and their lines affected but also as you mentioned, banks and hospitals who have had to cancel elective surgeries and 911 systems. the entire uk national health

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thing. >> there's no doubt about it, brian, this is not an act of, you know, cyber terrorism. >> nope, not as far as we know, yeah. >> but people are saying how the heck could this happen? >> yeah, well, the root of this is really a company called crowdstrike, which people might not be familiar with, but essentially this is a company that offers cybersecurity to basically lockdown computers. and a lot of companies will hire crowdstrike to basically foolproof their computers, companies like nbc where we had even some issues this morning firing up our computers. but they are a huge company. their market share as of the summer of 2022 was around 18%. they are very prevalent not just in the united states but around the world. they tried to patch an update and push to microsoft computers and it didn't go well. any microsoft computer where a company was contracting crowdstrike to foolproof their computers was ultimately impacted by this. now, what we've heard from crowdstrike so far, they spoke to the "today" show earlier this morning, they said they were quick to try to resolve the issue. the challenge here, chris, is that every computer that got that blue screen of death where

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more on the breaking news that now nine members of congress just today have called for joe biden to step aside, and i have one of them on the phone. democratic congressman of ohio, greg landsman joins me now. thank you so much for calling in, congressman. i do have the statement that you released announcing your decision, and you say you made

it, quote, after weeks of consideration and hundreds of conversations with constituents, what is it that you heard and that you concluded that made you finally take this step? >> yeah, thanks, chris. so the district is cincinnati, southwest ohio, and it's an equal number of democrats, independents, republicans. a purple district, right, and it represents, i think, in many ways the country. certainly the swing states and districts, and across the board people want change, and they want somebody new to lead us through what are going to be difficult times. they want somebody who's going to, you know, defend our democracy, strengthen it, pass the john lewis voting rights act. they want reproductive freedom restored. they want tax code that's built for them, not billionaires. a lot is on the line.

that's not trump, and, you know, he proved that last night. he's a grievance guy, and you know, with project 2025, we have a lot to be concerned with, and we need somebody who can make the case against trump and that requires mr. biden to do the right thing, which i think he will because he cares deeply about the country, and pass the torch on to a new leader who can give us that kind of energy and hope that people here and i think around the country are looking for. >> of course you know that the argument that joe biden has made and that his campaign is continuing to make is none of this is new. he says i'm old. that hasn't changed. nobody thought i was going to be any different after i, you know, won the nomination or at least got the delegates to win the nomination. so what about the concern that some democrats have expressed,

the president has insisted he is staying in this race and that these ongoing public calls, in fact, are damaging chances for the democrats to beat donald trump. >> sorry, 70% of democrats are now saying they don't want to see biden as the nominee. they're looking for new leadership. that has changed. polling and swing districts and states, that has changed, enthusiasm has dropped, that has changed. the debate was one thing, his response since is another, and he is -- he has dug in in a way that i don't think is really him. i do think that joe biden cares deeply about the country. he sees what's happening and how important it is to ensure that donald trump isn't president

again, but also that we are able to win the house and the senate, as my friend jared moskowitz said the other day, there are three races, the presidential, the house, and the senate, and if we don't do the right thing here, donald trump could control all three branches of government, and that will upend the democracy as we know it and our lives, and so i hope the president does the right thing and hands this off, and i think we'll be fine. i know that people are worried about what happens next. we'll be okay. i really do believe that and i'm hopeful. >> if the president does decide that he's going to stay in, if he sticks firm to the idea that he believes he is the best person, the only person who has ever beaten donald trump in the past, we're now one month until the convention, 109 days until the election. at what point do you believe democrats, again, if joe biden

doesn't change his mind need to say, okay, he's our guy. we're going to get behind him, and we're going to do everything we can to beat donald trump. >> after he's nominated, if he stays in the race -- >> you think you can wait a month? you think you can wait a month for that? >> yeah, i think, you know, that if he's the nominee everyone's going to do whatever they can, including me. i mean, and he knows that. i think the challenge is whether or not people are going to come out and vote and that's a huge deal for whether or not democracy is going to withstand this election, whether or not we're going to be in a position to restore reproductive freedom, build an economy for workers as opposed to one for billionaires. everything's on the line, and you know, i hear it across the board in the district. they want new leadership, and

that's trump too. i mean, people talk about the double haters, these are just people who want change. they want somebody new. some of them like trump. some of them like biden, and i like biden, but we want something new. we want a new leader, and we have had that opportunity, and i think more and more folks around the president get that, and this could be a huge part of his legacy. he'll go down as one of the most historic presidents in the country's history, saved democracy. he's rebuilding the country. he pulled us out of a global pandemic, and he saved democracy again in 2024 by making sure that we have somebody at the top of the ticket who could make the case against donald trump. >> congressman greg landsman from my home state of ohio, i really do appreciate you getting on the phone and talking to us. thank you so much. >> okay. so look, i'm sure you guys know each other. i'm sure you have experience with most of the people who have

come out, if not all, and said they want joe biden to step down, but he did say something interesting, which i think argues for both sides, right? he says he knows that i'll be with him, other democrats will be with him. if that is what happens, that joe biden stays in the race. so what's the incentive, right? if he knows, and it does seem like his campaign believes that these -- people aren't going to walk away from him. if you don't want donald trump to be president, you're going to vote for joe biden, even if you might have preferred that someone else be the candidate. >> that's right. i agree with that. you know, i think greg's doing his job. congressman landsman is in a difficult direct. >> very. >> it's a classic front line district, and that's what we call the interface, right? so he has challenges that most members of the house democratic caucus don't have. it's a real race in november. and you know, i often remember

leader pelosi saying do what you have to do to win. say what you have to say to win. you know, if that's what gets you here, do that. and i think that's what he's doing. he's doing his job. but the point you just made i think is very critical. joe biden is the presumptive nominee. if nothing changes, those folks will come back. they'll have to come back because electing donald trump is not acceptable. we saw the -- you know, the dear leader last night, he was unhinged, and i even think for a lot of republicans they did not like that one and a half hour speech. they know what's at stake, you know. the kasichs of the world, i think the bush, reagan republicans understand what's at risk if this man is given four more years, at least four more years can of the presidency. it's not tolerable. >> i want to read for you something that chuck todd wrote because part of this, right, is who's looking at what polls when they're making their argument?

nancy pelosi reportedly went in and said, look, not only is there not a path for you, but there's a real problem with my house, right? joe biden's people are saying we see paths, plural. this is what chuck todd wrote, alarmingly for many democrats who have talked with some members of the biden inner circle, it's not clear the president has seen any true new data about the race since the debate. instead, getting memos with cherry picked numbers that are based less on individual state polls than on analytics research that uses a large sample of respondents across states coupled with voter file data to model outcomes, and they further suggested this, he wrote, if it's what i think it is, such data can often end up being glorified projections based on historical performance and turnout estimates, which can struggle to pick up change in volatile moments. this week alone has defined

volatile moments, so is polling dependable? and do you believe it's possible that he's not getting clear, true information? >> i think polling's dependable within the margins of error, right? so -- >> even in a volatile time like this? >> you know, there's plenty of time, a lot of water still going to go under the bridge, and so i think there's going to be a lot of numbers thrown at people. you know, we only know what we know, right? and the only poll that ever really matters is election day, right? that's when you know what actually happens. just look at 2016, right? we were dumbfounded at the results. look, you know, i think part of that article is talking about the excitement or the lack thereof of the excitement for a democratic nominee, for joe biden in particular. but in many respects, we're talking about the president, we're talking about his success. you heard congressman landsman talking about, you know, all the things he's done to save our country in terms of democracy,

rebuilding america, taking us through covid-19 and getting us past those times. it's been a remarkable presidency, and one would often say doesn't he deserve a second term because of that? so you know, i think that's where the president's head is as well as people around him, but i think it's foolhardy for people around him to just give him the cherry picked numbers. he has to see everything with clear eyes, naked eye and understand just what the challenges are for him. >> former congressman joe crowley, it is good to see you again. >> thanks a lot. >> appreciate it. up next, reaction to donald trump's big rnc speech with former governor john kasich of ohio. and the voters weigh in. what some in one very critical battleground state are now saying about trump's message. ute zyrtec allergy relief works fast and lasts a full 24 hours so dave can be the... deliverer of dance. ok, dave! let's be more than our allergies. zeize the day with zyrtec.

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so we now have a view into the republican take on the rest of campaign 2024 courtesy of donald trump's lengthy speech that began with a call to unity and friendship. >> i'm here tonight to lay out a vision for the whole nation, to every citizen whether you're a young or old man or woman, democrat, republican, or independent, black or white, asian or hispanic, i extend to you a hand of loyalty and of friendship. >> but that unifying rhetoric didn't last long. "axios" puts it this way, the new donald trump soothed and silenced the nation for 28

minutes last night. then the old trump returned and bellowed, barked and bored america for 64 minutes more. >> they're taking their criminals and they're putting them into our country. if you took the ten worst presidents in the history of the united states, think of it, the ten worst, added them up, they will not have done the damage that biden has done. crazy nancy pelosi, the whole thing just boom, boom, boom. has anyone seen "silence of the lambs"? the late, great hannibal lecter. he'd love to have you for dinner. >> let's bring in john kasich, the former republican governor of ohio and an msnbc political analyst. always good to see you, governor. i wonder what you made of the speech. did you see what republicans there certainly felt, marching orders, or as many democrats believed that they saw trump as a man who absolutely can be

beat? >> well, i think, first of all, chris, let's talk about the convention. the republicans had, you know, a really good convention, and it's really kind of across the board. i think the first 28 minutes, 30 minutes of donald trump's speech was very good, very effective, but i think he missed an opportunity to put an exclamation mark on that convention, and you know, the additional stuff, they were kind of back to, you know, the old donald trump. but there's no news flash here that he exaggerated or whatever, name called. there's nothing new there. but the republicans leave there with enthusiasm and with momentum. now the question is what are the democrats going to do? and i listened intently to the last two interviews you had with a with a congressman from cincinnati, and joe crowley, i got to tell you, they have no chance of winning if joe biden doesn't leave the race.

i believe he will leave the race because i think it will be made clear to him and his family that if he stays in and loses to donald trump, that really is going to damage the legacy. nobody likes to see this. i don't like to see this. no one likes to see people getting to the point where they really can't perform, but that's where we are. and it's very clear to me that he will leave the race, and then it's going to be interesting to see what they do. do they have a mini convention, does kamala harris move up and take his place. the real question is can the democrats have a convention that captures the imagination of the public. is it going to be exciting, is there anything wrong with a lot of chaos from where they are? i mean, in some respects, we think about that doug flutie, you know too young to remember him, but he threw that hail mary. >> i remember doug flutie. >> i don't believe it. he threw that hail mary pass that was caught for a touchdown. i think the democrats have to go into this actually committed to, you know, coming out

enthusiastic and united but at the same time, this is going to sound maybe a little off beat, i think they need to have some fun. i think they need to enjoy themselves, and just get out there and let it flow. if they don't do that, the momentum is with trump. but, you know, nothing is over until it's over. >> well, look, i mean, i think that you're absolutely right. republicans leave milwaukee united, enthusiastic, with momentum, but we always knew donald trump was going to keep his pace, right? i don't think there was ever any question that the people in that convention center were going to go door to door, make phone calls for donald trump no matter what, but what impression did the part of the speech that has trump's dark vision of america, some of those ad-libbed ramblings make on independent and undecided voters. >> chris, if they watched it, i mean, look. >> may have given up after 20

minutes, sure, i'll grant you that. >> all you do is see some clips, you know, and, you know, a lot of things that we think about in these debates or whatever, i have been schooled by some people who have been great observers, even though i participated, they're out here observing, which is interesting. what they say is a lot of the time it's not what happens in the debate. what happens at the convention. it's the clips that come out. it's the you tube things that people can watch in really short ways, quick ways. i'm not sure. but look, the key is for democrats to articulate what they feel about inflation, the economy, what they're going to do about immigration, what they do about crime, i mean, it's not over for them by any stretch of the imagination. but they're wasting time now because they're stuck. they need to get unstuck. how does that happen? they're not going to take joe biden out. they've got to agree he's going

to leave. i think he's getting closer and closer. you can't have pelosi and schumer and jeffries, and you know, you've got adam schiff, this growing list. at some point, they want to honor him, and i think the way they do that is if they can figure out how he can respectfully leave. you know, i don't know if he'll anoint somebody else, but be there and be honored for what he has done. it's up to the democrats to lay out this vision. that's what i think. >> former governor john kasich, always love talking to you, thank you. >> thanks, chris, me too. thank you. former president trump has struck a new tone with voters after his assassination attempt but as we just said, sort of. that's what we're hearing from people today in grand rapids, michigan, after former president trump's 93-minute long speech. joining me now, nbc's yamiche alcindor, she spoke with voters in grand rapids, michigan, a swing district that mitt romney

won by 8% in 2012, trump won by 3 in '16, and joe biden carried it by 6 in 2020. yamiche, what did they tell you? >> reporter: good afternoon, chris. as you said, i'm here in grand rapids michigan, in kent county, michigan. a swing county in a swing state. these voters were watching former president trump very closely last night. we had trump supporters that liked what they heard, said he was truthful and they were very energized by his speech, said he looked like a unifier. then we had people who were definitely not going to vote for former president trump on the front end and minds were not changed on the back end. take a listen to the conversation about whether or not they thought we were seeing a different kind of trump. >> who detected a sort of change in tone from former president trump? >> like in the beginning, i thought, he started out okay, but then, as the speech went on, it just sounded like the old trump. >> i was hoping, though, for the good of the country, right, if

he does win, that we would see that this message of unity would carry through more consistently through the speech. and it did not. >> i think when i see this man right now, i agree, he wants us to unite. he's not here trying to say i'm here to do the job. he wants us all involved. >> reporter: so there you have it. voters really reacting with passion to former president trump's speech. now, it's interesting. we were watching a nikki haley voter here. he voted for nikki haley in the primary. he's really torn about who he's going to vote for now, and he said his mind wasn't changed by trump. he hadn't heard enough about the unifying theme. he went back to old trump and talked about grievances and attacking biden. what's interesting, as these voters show that while this is a critical state, a lot of people, their opinions are not changing here, chris. >> and it's interesting, yamiche

alcindor, thank you for staying up late and talking to those folks. we appreciate it. coming up, new reaction from congress as democrats ramp up pressure on biden to bow out of the race. we'll head to capitol hill and speak with one democratic lawmaker ahead. stay close, more "chris jansing reports" right after this. jansi report rs"ight after this. ensef trains. [whoosh] ♪ trains that sense what isn't on the schedule. ♪ trains that use the power of dell ai and intel. ♪ to see hundreds of miles of tracks. ♪ [vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble losing weight so you arrive and keeping it off? same. discover the power of wegovy®. ♪ ♪ with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds.

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