. some news out of russia. american journalist evan gershkovich sentenced to 16 years in prison there on what u.s. and other human rights groups are say are completely fabricated charges of espionage. he's been incarcinated since march 2023. he was doing his job, journalism should not be a crime, but this is putin's russia. president biden responding he was targeted by the russian government because he's a journalist and an american and they continue to push for his release. this is a serious development in how that sham trial has proceeded and we will stay on the story. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" --

>> crazy nancy pelosi, the whole thing, boom, boom, boom. they said we have to take it and make it nicer and a little point at the top instead of a flat nose. and the people at the shipyard said this guy sort of knows what he's doing. one of the most beautiful ships. has anyone seen "silence of the lambs"? the late great hannibal lecter. he would love to have you for dinner. >> he's real. people are worried about biden's age, but what about his opponent? trump gave another rambling unhinged performance last night. shouldn't we be asking is he okay? plus, as promised, we will continue to expose project 2025. whose dangerous policies fueled a lot of the extreme rhetoric at the republican national convention. and we begin tonight with the key takeaway from the republican national convention as a whole event.

what you might call a four-day manstravaganza, for what on the right passes as manly politics along with the kneeling worship of donald trump which is not the manliest thing a guy could do, all reign supreme, and that takeaway is that trump is far from unbeatable. he's actually an extremely flawed candidate. today, president biden released a statement on trump's speech, which of course, was the finale of the rnc convention, saying, quote, last night, the american people saw the same donald trump they rejected four years ago. for over 90 minutes, he focused on his own grievances with no plan to unite us and no plan to make life better for working people. he avoided mentioning his project 2025 agenda, but still proudly flaunted the worst of maga extremism. biden also said he looks forward to getting back on the campaign trail next week. trump's big campaign moment last

night followed an introduction from the ultimate fighting championship chief dana white, infamous for getting caught on tape slapping his wife during a new year's party. and a shirt ripping endorsement from hulk hogan, the long time wwe character now infamous for dropping f bombs and suing gawker out of existence for billionaire peter thiel's money. needless to say, trump really dug their presentations. and there was also failed rapper turned some kind of musician or other, you know, maga character kid rock. after the intros, trump made a dramatic entrance, strutting on the stage with his last name emblazoned behind him, and he delivered what was essentially a rally speech, a bizarre and boring stream of consciousness rant full of lies, complaints, and xenophobia. all this despite trump and some in the media assuring us he was a changed man, seeking what was it again? yes, unity. my colleagues and i, we all had

the speech in front of us last night, and the audience could also see the speech in this big teleprompter so we were trying to follow along as trump veered off script and deep into a rambling series of lies that stretched the speech from a time like maybe 25 minutes to more than 90. journalists in the room reported that as trump just banged on and on, audience members were checking their phones, stealing glances at the teleprompter, slumping in their chairs and even falling asleep. some even left. i mean, the guy droned on for 90 minutes. just imagine with me for a moment if joe biden gave a rambling speech like trump did last night. it would be the biggest story of the year. there would be almost nothing else on the front pages of every newspaper in this country, and little else on cable and broadcast news. there has been a lot of ink spilled on biden for doing far, far less. so why are we not talking about trump? the same way we talk about biden? his unhinged performance is somehow normalized or acceptable

because he's always like that. why is he always like that? we have to have a real conversation about trump's mental acuity. because last night, trump showed there are two old men in this race. but only one of them sounds like a meandering fidel castro who gave famously endless speeches including remarks in 1960 that went on for four hours at the united nations. maybe we in the media should show trump more. i mean, i'm serious. i know that all of you, i know trump, all of you have trump fatigue. we all have trump fatigue, and we all struggle, including on this network, with how responsible it would be to show a stream of lies to you. but maybe, just maybe, we have to keep showing the american public that this is a man whose cognitive health is definitely in question. if this is what he's like every time he gives a speech. it is more serious than biden, guys. yes, biden is aging. he shuffles when he walks and forgets names and makes gaffes. but he's not incoherent.

he can give a prompter speech. he can go 90 minutes in a press conference. can you imagine trump doing that. trump last night, it's just on a different level. let me just show you, an apples and apples comparison so you can be the judge. >> i believe the american consensus from truman to reagan to me still holds today. america cannot retreat from the world. we must lead the world. >> it's nice to get along with somebody who has a lot of nuclear weapons or otherwise. >> i honest to god have never more optimistic about america's future if we stick together. >> we will have our next republican convention envenezuela because it will be safe. >> now, just because we must lower the temperature, it doesn't mean we should stop telling the truth. who you are, what you have done,

what you'll do. that's fair game. >> has anyone seen silence of the lambs? the late great hannibal lecter. he would love to have you for dinner. >> i'm telling you, he thinks hannibal lecter is real and still alive. i swear he does. and yet, with all that you just heard, it is biden who is fighting off calls from within his own party to step down. there are now more than 30 congressional members, more than 10% of the democratic caucus in the house and senate, calling for biden to exit the election. the pressure campaign is reportedly also coming from the highest echelons of the democratic establishment, including speaker emerita nancy pelosi, senate majority leader chuck schumer and per some reports, even biden's former white house partner, president barack obama. nbc news learned in the midst of that pressure campaign, members of biden's family have discussed what an exit from the race would

look like if, if he chooses to give in. that's still a big if, with biden's campaign pushing back hard against that possibility. they insist biden is in it to win it and will remain at the top of the ticket. there is no plan for an alternative nominee. in a few short weeks, joe biden will be the official nominee. folks, they said it is high past time we stop fighting each other. the only person who can win when we fight is donald trump. that's the end of the statement. if nothing else, democrats need to recognize the truth in that last line, given trump's performance last night, the focus really should be on him, no? democrats need to realize that the person that they are so terrified of is not some great unbeatable political colossus. last night, he seemed more like a cognitively diminished performer doing his act for the nurses at the old folk's home. i'm joined now by jelani cobb, staff writer for the new yorker, and dean of the columbia

journalism school. molly jong fast, special correspondent for vanity fair and host of the fast politics podcast, and aaron pupar, publisher of the public notice newsletter. aaron, i have been beating to get you on the show. i do not look on that demon app anymore except i do go to your feed whenever there's a trump rally because i don't want to watch it. i'm being honest. i don't know that i want to sit through it, but i follow your feed, and that's how a lot of people are experiencing trump rallies. so you go to -- you watch them so we don't have to. we appreciate you for it. was whats you saw last night typical of the way trump's rallies play out? >> it was, with the exception that he spent 20 to 30 minutes at the top recounting in painstaking detail the assassination attempt, which was obviously very different from a normal rally speech. then you had another 20 minutes or so of acknowledgments. by the time he got to the rally speech, he was 40 minutes in, and that ended up being the main reason that the speech ended up

going past an hour and a half. one of the things that's always really notable to me after trump does a speech like this is logging on to social media and seeing people who don't pay close attention to him kind of appalled at his state, at how incoherent he is, how rambling his speeches are, how boring they are. i posted the jack nicholson meme of him nodding with a smile because this is what they are. this is trump going back to at least 2018. his speeches are barely changed. >> did you have a copy of the speech, a written copy of? were you following along with it or just experiencing it in real time? >> i went in cold. and i saw some reporters pointing out today there were a number of prominent national papers that reported on his speech based on the prepared remarks. and so i asaw in the boston globe, for instance, their headline was something to the effect of trump emphasizes unity in speech, and so he kind of ended up playing the media in that respect. i was very skeptical as news was

circulated yesterday in the day that this was going to be a different trump, and i think what he ended up doing is reminding people of a lot of the reasons they were turned off by him in the first place. he mentioned the china virus at some point, which i think should give people flashbacks to his press conferences in 2020 during covid. he talked about his endorsement from jim jong-un. i don't think that's something a lot of people think is worth touting. he dipped into election denialism, talked about how democrats cheat on elections which is obviously a lie. so i think if he would have stopped the speech about a half hour in, there might have been something to be said for this is a different trump, but we got the full gamut of trump, including the full rally speech. what he ended up doing that is reminding people of a lot of the reasons they didn't like him in the first place. >> i had -- this is a democratic strategist, they were a political strategist text during it to me, his team will never let him give another speech again. the thing about it, the playing

the media piece i want to come to you on jelani, because i'm not surprised. i'm disappointed in our industry, but i'm not surprised. the text of the speech, at least the first third of it, the first part of it was about the shooting. and he read it in a way that was very somber. and that after he got -- it was sort of messianic the way it was written, but even the actual written speech, the second third of it was red meat. it was anti-immigrant screeds. it was really nasty, it didn't name joe biden, it didn't name anymore in particular, no nancy pelosi, no crazy nancy pelosi, but the second third of the speech was no different than a normal trump thing. the other piece i noticed performatively, he was bored after he got out of the part, he didn't want to stay on the speech. it was clear he was low energy until he did his schtick. the media appears to be failing because this is not being interrogated. >> oh, no. totally not. and so there was a divide. i was actually going back

through the coverage of it. and there was a divide between i think the serene was the word that people used, there were all these like spiritual adjectives people were trotting out. it was almost as if there was a prefabricated idea of who he was. you heard from the campaign, he's a changed person. >> you were hearing this echoing around. then it was like, did they not hear the rest of the speech? okay, no, they're going from the prepared remarks. and so, that's exactly what you got. and nonetheless, there's still a fundamental unwillingness to grapple with the potential danger of what this situation represents. >> yeah. >> you have seen that underestimated time and time again across the board from lots of media organizations. >> i mean, somebody who i shall not name, compared him to barack obama. and i don't know why that person is. let me read a bit from the guardian and move on.

from the guardian, the media has been breathlessly attacking biden. what about trump? one journalist counted "new york times" stories related to biden's age in the week following the debate. she counted a staggering 192 news and opinion pieces compared with 92 stories on trump, and that was in a week when the u.s. supreme court had ruled he has immunity for official acts. almost half of the trump stories were about the immunity ruling. just one was about trump calling for military tribunals for his opponents. none focused on trump's mental fitness. molly, it seems to me the media writ large, not all, because we try to focus on it, but they're pricing in what otherwise would be called clear cognitive decline. >> yeah, and that column is written by margaret sullivan, a colleague of yours, a mentor of mine. one of the great media critics of all time, and what she said is totally right. look, they're treating these two

candidates as if they're the same. we know donald trump, right, indicted, was found guilty, impeached twice. they tried to, you know, have his followers do january 6th and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. this is not a normal candidate. and he's not even advertising as a normal candidate. he's an autocrat. he wants to be an autocrat, a dock start on day one, yet, the media can't get out of this framing, the framing that these two are the same. you see everywhere, the thing that gets me the most irritated is that they take him at his word all the time. this is a known liar. so we're going to take him at his word. with the campaign, too. when the campaign says his tone is new, so journalists are like, perhaps his tone is new. it's been eight years. >> or he says i know nothing about project 2025. >> and they run that in the title when in fact he has people, the person who created the rnc platform is a person who

worked on project 2025. >> there you go. aaron, where do you come down on this question? i'll be honest with you on this show, showing a trump rally would be showing a stream of lies to our viewers that we would then have to attempt to fact check. once something is said, once a lie is out on tv, it gets a sort of gravitas just from being on tv. where do you come down on this question? to me, one of the valuable things that happened last night is people who don't normally watch trump actually got to experience how off the rocker he is. should we show him more? what do you think? >> i think it's probably unwise for a network like yours to carry trump live for the reasons you touched upon, just the fire hose of lies. i saw this a lot this week on mainstream networks where at the rnc they were interviewing a lot of republicans and trump republicans were lying so quickly it becomes very difficult to fact check. but i think also last night really spoke to something i'm finding quite interesting in this cycle which is that by and large, trump rallies these days

i think in some ways do him more harm than good because they end up creating this clips of him being totally unhinged and sounding deranged and lying that end up circulating on mainstream social media channels or being picked up on your network or others and look bad for him, and ironically, the rally that probably did him the most political good was the one where someone shot at him because it produced the image of him with the fist in the air bleeding that was shown heavily last night and has become a theme for the trump campaign. what we saw last night is the reason i think these rallies more so than ever before are doing trump more harm than good. >> where do you come down on this as the dean of the columbia school of journalism? show, don't show? >> i think you do this in a very select and judicious way. the thing that really needs to be reported on comprehensively is what happened before. there is a track record here. and so what happened during the course of that administration was that there was the fire hose

effect. not just of mendacity, but all sorts of bizarre things happening. people who had forgotten about the injecting bleach. the entire spectrum of things that happened during those four years. the public does not have it in the forefront of their minds. i think that's the kind of excavation that really needs to happen. you say you're going to do this thing and this thing. what happened the last time you were in office? the other thing to say about this is there really needs to be more expluication of project 2025. if you remember early on in the trump phenomenon where there were still people very standoffish toward him, and what he got, what he used to get them on board was just simply saying i will appoint these people to the supreme court. i will do this, i will do this. that was what enabled them to swallow the pill of trump. project 2025 is supposed to do the same thing. like for people going, oh, he did this, for people who had a

bad taste in their mouth for the things he did previously, well, look at all this. it's a christmas list. we can get all these things if you can just turn askance at the fact we may destroy democracy in the midst. >> it's giving ronald reagan because they would be doing it while he's either golfing or off watching shark week or scared of sharks or like watching hannibal lecter. >> remember, they did this very thing for ronald reagan. and this was the model. i have to tell you, the stuff in there, i just did a youtube series on it. they're going to get rid of the department of education, health and human services. you know, weather. >> climate, right. >> climate. it's terrifying. >> we're going to be digging into it. alicia keys tweeted about it. my son said alicia keys tweeted you're going to talk about project 2025. we have a whole lot on it tonight. we're going to keep doing it. aaron, thank you very much. great to have you. please come back. jelani and molly are sticking with us because we're going to

break down the state of the race and biden's latest comments, and later, we'll get some of the outstanding questions following the republican party's week-long convention. including this. >> what you gonna do when donald trump and all of trump maniacs run wild on you, brother?

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fast are back with us. i'm joined by latosha brown, cofounder of black voters matter and founder of the southern black girls consortium. when all of the talk started about whether biden should stay or go, there was one person i wanted to talk to and you were on vacation. please come back to america so i can talk to you. you are one of the signatories. it's up to more than 2,000 or maybe 2600 melanie campbell texts me, 2600 black women have signed this letter urging president biden to not leave the race. explain to me why you think not, and also, as somebody who would actually be the person trying to turn out votes, what do you make of this idea that he cannot win the election? >> you know, there's three things kind of why we wrote the letter and even a week before that, we put out a statement saying this is not the time for us to go in being confused and for chaos.

people need clarity, and we need to literally do the work and go move forward. ultimately, what we wanted to make sure is we are sending a sign loud and clear that at this late in the game, to really be able to make, to create when we have not heard from as far as we know the biden and harris ticket, it is the ticket that 14 million people actually voted for. there was a primary and people sent their message. in addition to that, what we want to make sure is we're sending the message that at this point, it goal is not infighting, our fight, our target is trump. that we need to recognize that there is an existential threat that is happening in this nation right now, and looking at last night, if anybody saw the debate last night, they should be reminded of what it is we're up against. it's really important instead of us seeing this elite democrats of which i have not heard of, not a single high level democrat has called us. those of us that are actually working on the ground, to ask what we're hearing on the ground and what people on the ground are saying. overwhelmingly, when we test the

people we work with, they're saying this is the time for us to unify and move forward. so that's why we decided we're going to send a message loud can clear, and if the president decides, and i think it's merely his choice, what we have been hearing so far has been conjengture, but it's his choice. we're behind him. if he does step aside, we also believe that we already have a formidable candidate. we can move forward because we can have vp kamala harris really leading the ticket, and it is a no go if we're talking about having a brokered convention. it's never worked in the past, and we don't think it will work now, and it will be totally unacceptable for voters who have put their faith behind this ticket to move forward and get a win and go towards november. >> let me ask you this. there is a question if let's say this magical brokered convention, which by the way, the rules do not allow the magic to happen that people are speculating. but let's just say somehow they did a brokered convention. i think it's offensive, people saying the vice president has to earn it.

really? she did, she got 14 million votes plus 80 million last time in the election. that seems offensive to me. let's say this ticket came out and it was josh shapiro and gretchen whitmer. you're the one, the ball would be passed to you, my friend, and organizations like yours to turn out the vote. are black voters, are voters of color going to come out strongly for a ticket that knowing that vice president harris was skipped, in your view? >> absolutely not. we have to be -- we're sending the message loud and clear, we're sending a message to the democratic party that we already have a ticket. that what we're hearing from the ground, for the voters we heard from, the 14 million that voted in the primary, there is a ticket. under no circumstance, and let me say as a black woman, and literally, we have a formidable vp candidate who has garnered millions of votes. even the notion that when i have spoken with people, even the notion she would not be at the top of the ticket is quite frankly extremely offensive to

women, to voters that we have worked with. so ultimately, we have a path forward. this is a time to unify, to close ranks and move forward with the ticket that we currently have. >> let me bring the table in. i'm going to shift you from columbia school of journalism to my at the table historian. i think a lot of people are making a presumption that isn't real, that black folks are more afraid of donald trump than at the elite level, absolutely. there's a sense that project 2025 is terrifying and people are paying attention. in the real world, people are like which one of them other than obama and maybe clinton hasn't been donald trump? and johnson was donald trump, andrew jackson was donald trump, woodrow wilson was donald trump. ronald reagan in many ways. regular folks are like, how does my life change differently? am i going to stand in line for eight hours after you have insulted every black woman in america. i don't buy that.

>> here's an interesting footnote. some of us will remember back to 2008 when there was the democratic convention in denver. and going into that convention, there was all that tension between the hillary people and obama people. they were like, like drake and kendrick fans, you know? and so -- i didn't say who was who. but you know, when you got into the convention, jimmy carter of all people said something really interesting. he said when you have a disunited convention, you have losing candidates. 1976, the republicans were torn between ford and reagan, and i won. in 1980, the democrats were torn between me and kennedy, and reagan won. and so the idea that you're going to skip into this kind of brokered convention, and that all of the ill will, irrespective of who wins, even a harris ticket with someone else,

there will be such emnity and such antagonism that it will be difficult for that to resolve by the time you get to the election, which is two months later. >> not two month later, the election will be in september. early voting starts in september. you're talking about coming out of an august convention with disunity, and the democrats liking a hot mess, when the other party is like, neonazis, please stay. you're welcome to be here with us. and yet it's the democrats who look like a mess. >> yeah, the stakes could not be higher and the reality is, if you want biden to drop out, this is the ticket. she is the heir apparent. this is how it goes. all this west wing fan fic, that's not how any of this goes. it's not how it works and it's not how it should work. she's the vice president. she's been doing this job for four years and she also is a really -- has done a great job. and the fact that a lot of white men and a lot of men in general

feel that they can put together a ticket of untested people who they like better -- >> and who most people don't know. a lot of governors who they know, people who watch msnbc know, but average people don't know who don't pay attention to this stuff. the last thing i'm going to say, aoc, she did a one-hour long live on instagram today that i recommend everybody watch. she goes through and she says she's in these rooms. and what she hears are two things. my donors, my donors, my donors. not my voters, my voters. my voters from people who want to swap out president biden. but also, she confirmed what i have heard from a lot of african american members. that the push is not just to get him out. it's to get them out. and that the same people who are trying to push president biden out also are not necessarily supportive of kamala harris. what do you make of that?

>> that will absolutely kill the ticket. the democrats can go on and they can call this race, if that happens, that will kill the ticket. at the end of the day, for that kind of level of disrespect, not only for the vp but for the millions of voters who have supported this ticket, that would be a no go. i hope that they're listening. i hope they hear loud and clear that what i have hud from the ground as an organizer, we don't have the time to ramp up to get people to know folks they don't know already. we have a formidable candidate and a team that is already in place to move forward. >> jelani cobb, molly jong fast, latosha brown, the dream team here on a wonderful friday. thank you all very much. coming up, the heritage foundation's magnum opus, projant 2025, essentially went unmentioned during this week's republican convention, but its policy proposals took center stage. "the reidout" continues after this. after this i appreciate that. leaffilter's technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good, guaranteed.

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the republican convention did its very best to shove the right wing road map to a second trump term, project 2025, into a dungeon. even if it wasn't mentioned, there subtext was everywhere in the ideas presented on stage. donald trump even name checked an official with ties to project 2025. >> the invasion at our southern border, we will stop it. we will stop it quickly. you heard tom homan yesterday, put him in charge and sit back and watch. >> who is this tom homan that

trump says we should just sit back and watch? well, he's a former acting director of immigration and customs enforcement during the trump administration. he's been referred to as the intellectual father of the family separation policy. he spoke wednesday night but didn't go quite as far as what he said in the events in the lead-up to the convention. >> they ain't seen nothing yet. trump comes back in january, i'll be on his heels coming back and i will run the biggest deportation operation this country has ever seen. >> no one is off the table. if you're in the country illegally, it's not okay. if you're in the country illegally, you better be looking over your shoulder. >> let's not gloss over the horrific cruelty of what he said. we should point out the second part was at the heritage foundation policy fest on the sidelines of the convention this week in milwaukee. the same heritage foundation behind project 2025. homan is a visiting fellow at heritage, and he's even listed

in the project 2025 manual as a contributor. so just because you didn't hear the words project 2025, there were tells all over the convention. the mass deportations. drill, baby, drill. anti-lgbtq policies and open trans phobia, things that are wildly unpopular outside of that arena which is probably why a trump senior adviser insisted again that the trump campaign doesn't have anything to do with the project written by 31 people who had roles in trump's administration. >> they're a pain in the ass. so because they -- the issues that are going to win us this campaign are not the issues that they want to talk about. >> donald trump's meandering nonsensical fidel castro like speech last night didn't give the impression that trump knows what those issues are either. it's not like grampy, the retired showman is some sort of policy guru. so it begs the question, what would it mean to have a president in office who is that far gone cognitively?

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biden and the democrats are doing everything they can to tear down this great country. and rebuild it in their woke radical image. >> this fringe agenda includes biological males competing against girls. and the sexualization and indoctrination of our children. >> every day, americans are dying. murdered, assaulted, raped by illegal immigrants that the democrats have released. teenage girls and boys wearing colored wrist bands are being sold into a life of sex slavery. >> we become totally unhinged if donald trump is not elected in november. >> the unhinged part is actually accurate.

well, so much for unity. that was just a little taste of the dark dystopian fake masculine anti-lgbtq, version of america we heard over the course of the last four days from the republican party which can be boiled down to two words, project 2025. joining me, basil smikle and joan walsh, national affaired kraubt for the nation. let me get your thoughts on all that you saw in ladies first. >> ladies first. >> because ladies were not first at that convention. >> absolutely not. >> were you surprised by the way that abortion not mentioned at all? >> it's not popular. they got what they wanted. they're going to keep taking it, and it's not popular so that's off the table for discussion. what i think is so interesting, when he picked jd vance, it's like the he-man woman hater's club. the things jd vance has said criticizing women who leave violent marriages because they should have stayed together for

the children or they should have stayed together like his wacky grandparents did. you know, completely against abortion under any circumstances. against subsidized day care because you're subsidizing something that normal people don't want, normal people meaning the wife stays home. so i mean, the level of misogyny that trump embodies, jd vance expresses in policy ways. has a very serious policy agenda that's anti-women. so that was freakish to me. mass deportations now, as a funny sign to wave. >> drop balloons on it. yeah, fun for everybody. >> really fun. >> let me play a little sound mash. there was sort of a manosphere that people aren't familiar with it, it's on youtube, all these ubers who are like mantubers and it's about bringing the country back to the '50s where the men

are in charge. here's a little taste of the entertainment. >> they tried to kill the next president of the united states. enough was enough. i said let trumpomania run wild, brother. let trumpomania rule again. ♪ say fight fight ♪ ♪ say fight fight ♪ ♪ say fight fight ♪ >> let me be very clear, if you are a man in this country and you don't vote for donald trump, you're not a man. who are you? you're not going to vote for that? i mean -- >> okay. the thing about the kind of the conservative republican version of manliness is that it is supine in its obedience to donald trump. so it's a man that's taking the knee and then being macho by hating women. >> it's a toxic masculinity, no

question about it. the hulk hogan thing, i was like really, my god. you know, the funny thing is, the tragic thing, if i showed as a black man any level of that kind of confidence, i would be considered uppity. >> and aggressive, and dangerous. >> and there would be a noose ready for me in the days they're trying to take us back to. >> when the black man who was the most prominent to showed himself off was tim scott, but he didn't do that kind of masculinity. he did a bug eyed vaudeville act. >> that's right. let me talk about the misogyny? you know how deep it gets? i was talking about this the other day. there is a national plan to get rid of no fault divorces. >> that is why we have no-fault

divorces, so it made it easier for women to get out of those situations. >> by the way, donald trump's whole lifestyle would be impossible. here's the thing. you wrote a great book, i always touted, what is the matter with white people. what it did was it talks about the way that white men have been conditioned into a kind of politics that does not necessarily help them economically. here's the thing that's interesting. people forget what joe biden's superpower was in 2020. here is 2016 versus 2020, how whiteman voted. hillary clinton only got 32% of white men. trump got 62%. you take that to four years later, trump gets 57%, biden got 40. that is part of the reason that trump was so afraid of him, and it is one of the reasons that they despise him. he is actually dangerous. he is basically the real jd vance. >> he is the real jd vance. he is getting that voter back, or at least some of those voters, even the noncollege

educated white men. >> that's who he is. he is college-educated, he comes from them, right? >> he comes from them. >> and did not write a book dissing them. >> no, no, he wrote a book dripping with condescension to the people who raised him and got him to where he is now. i guess that is peter thiel, who got him to where he is now. >> that's one of the things that is so disturbing. it is not because voters like what they are seeing are going to go right to donald trump. they want to find a way to stay with joe biden. the democratic party needs to find these signs of strength, not the constant freak out they are doing. i think what joe biden has done, and i've been saying this. he has 3894 delegates, and he is like come get them. you want them, come get them. they are mine and i'm keeping them. you know what? to me that's a sign of strength, and that's a sign of vitality, and that's a sign that he wants this and he is in this. and why is there this creation of these stumbling blocks to make him look weak, make the

party look weak? because all we are doing is sending voters away. and when they actually want to stay with us. >> right, and the other piece of it is the disc to a woman on this side, the democratic side, as well. a >> right, that is the most disturbing, and i saw you had natosha brown on, and i think that there is enormous anger. there is a fear of putting her in a position where she loses. but she cannot be passed over. and you will see a ferocity, should president biden decide to do the right thing for himself, for the country, and step aside. he would have to endorser. immediately. and then you might see people falling back in line, falling in love. >> yeah, otherwise it will be civil war in the democratic party. don't go anywhere, basil and joan are sticking around. we are going to play again. somebody won the week. for more on republicans extreme policies and for how project 2025 thomases due up and our republic, go to msnbc.com/reidout project 2025

where we are breaking down that horrid document one topic at a time. and we are going to continue to do so until the election.

all right, guys, we somehow made it to the end of another week. which means finally, thank god, it's time to play our favorite game. who won the week? back with me, basil and joan.

>> i say kamala harris. i have been incensed that over the years while she was vice president she was not getting her do. i didn't think she got enough of platform, and there were some new stories about how bad she was. i wrote against that. i always supported her. and i'm glad to see that this week she has this incredible platform. she has been spectacular. and i think if things go a certain way and she gets pushed to the top, there is an infrastructure building, and we have to normalize a black one being president of the united states. >> i have another black woman. the tyra banks one of the week because kamala harris went to her ice cream store i did not even know existed. when was the last time you saw tyra banks? i said that lady looks like tyra banks. >> and the smize . tyra banks coming together with, lares, that is iconic.

my who one of the week comes with a tape. downtown sterling brown, play the tape. >> the choice to host a republican national convention was a business one. myself, my county executive, david crowley. so many other partners works together to bring this here because we see the economic value of him talking on the stage. this will open the door for us to host other large-scale event, be they political, sports, or entertainment, right here in our city. >> cavalier johnson, the mayor of milwaukee, wisconsin came on the show, talked about how successful this convention was going to be. it was flawless. good for you. congratulations to the city of milwaukee, cavalier johnson. you know who else one of the week? us. this is the reidout's fourth anniversary. it will be four years old tomorrow. we are a toddler. look at us. and we are not even naughty. well, sometimes we are naughty, but mostly we are real good. that is the readout, only with chris hayes. happy birthday to us, starts right now.