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it's about project 2025 versus biden's second term agenda to restore roe versus wade. i saw a thing the other day, ending tax breaks for landlord to raise rent more than 5%. nobody has heard that he propose that. young voters would love that. working-class voters would love that. we are not in that world, unfortunately, of debating different policies. we are an attention economy and we don't have the momentum on our side, particularly among our base and the enthusiasm -- >> to break through to win. >> that a winner needs to have. >> i look to you in all things. seriously, it's great to have you here. heather mcgee, thank you very much. that's all in for this week. alex wagner starts tonight. alex, you know heather. >> i do, and i spend not an insignificant amount of my time trying to get heather mcgee to do my show.
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and i just want to tell you, heather, i'm looking at the camera, 9:00 is only, now, it's 9:00. you can do this. you are welcome to stay, should i just say? thank you, my friend. in the past eight years, donald trump has given three speeches, three, accepting his party's nomination for president. his first speech now feels like a lifetime ago. it will always be remembered for this moment. >> i have joy in the political arena, so that the powerful can no longer beat up on people who cannot defend themselves. nobody knows the system better than me.
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which is why i, alone, can fix it. >> i, alone, can fix it. that instantly became the thing everyone took away from the speech. it really nailed exactly how trump managed to turn the republican party into a cult of personality, focused on just one man, donald trump himself. but in the eight years since then, the cult of maga became something of an established religion in american politics. he spent that time fashioning himself as a qualified messianic figure to all of his followers. and then last weekend, a shooters will it narrowly missed trump's head during a rally in butler, pennsylvania. that gave his followers all the confirmation they needed to deify trump, to thrust upon him
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the mandate of heaven itself. and trump uses speech last night to take his martyrdom to the next level. >> i'm not supposed to be here tonight. i'm not supposed to be here. >> yes you are! yes you are! >> i stand before you in this arena only by the grace of almighty god, many people say it was a providential moment, it probably was. when i rose, surrounded by secret service, the crowd was confused because they thought i was dead. just a few short days ago my journey with you nearly ended. and yet, here we are tonight, all gathered together. we live in a world of miracles. no matter what dangers, our way.
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we will not fail. we will not fail. >> in his 2016 convention speech, trump did not mention god or christianity once except for the traditional, god bless you at the end of the speech but this year, trump chose to cast himself in nearly biblical terms. a latter-day saint sent by god and resurrected to save the country as its president. and at this point it's not just from claiming that he is the chosen one. it's the republican party. >> proverbs 28 reads, the wicked flee, though no one pursues. but the righteous are as bold as a lion. and that, truly epitomizes donald trump. he is a lion. >> if you didn't believe in miracles before saturday, you
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better be believing right now. >> two days ago, evil came for the man we admire and love so much. i thank god that his hand was on president trump. >> you know, i have no doubt that god lowered a shield of protection over president trump. >> god almighty intervened because america is one nation under god and he is certainly not finished with president trump. >> by the grace of god, divine intervention and your guardian angels above, you survived. >> donald trump's religious identity here is more than just rhetoric. for the past four years, he has aligned himself with the christian nationalist movement
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which has long been a part of the base but which has gained enormous influence in the last decade and this weekend, the rnc adopted a new platform full of christian nationalists agenda items like injecting religion into public schools and appointing a federal task force to investigate what the party calls, anti-christian bias. that's in addition to right- wing priorities like protecting the unborn and the sanctity of families by going after abortion rights and limiting access to contraception and maybe even ending no-fault divorce. so there is a revival happening inside the republican party, one where donald trump plays the role of preacher and prophet and messiah, all rolled into one. thank you for being here tonight. george, i absolutely understand the reaction of sort of looking to god in a moment of having your life threatened and a busy -- bullet whizzing by your head. that's natural. but this seems to be a different order of magnitude. i wonder what you think about
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that as a device to win over unconvinced parties? >> i like to think of the religious aspect of it as a separate overlay. i would never criticize someone's religious beliefs for being religious beliefs. what i see here, let's set aside the religious, you have a classic cult, and a classic authoritarian or fascist party movement here. and one of the elements of both of those kinds of organizations is, there is an absolute cleavage of good versus bad, us versus them, and that's true, that's how you maintain a cult, you are prevented if you are
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cult member from going outside and also in politics when you see these authoritarian type fashions, everybody else is an enemy if you are not a member of the party. this just has a religious overlay of christian nationalism. and fundamentally, it's anti- christian because you know, the idea, hating your enemy and saying some of the things that these people say like f jb, is very unchristian. so it's a toxic, toxic mix because they are using this moment, this moment where, god bless him for surviving, the live round missed his head by, whatever. you know, they are using this moment to combine the elements of a traditional cultism and fascism with basically
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religious overtones. that's why some of his own party members sarcastically call him orange jesus behind his back. it's dangerous and scary and absurd, given the moral content of donald trump. >> what you think of what george is saying, using religion as a vehicle to position trump as a messianic figure, a cult leader who most cannot be questioned and whose authoritarianism is unquestionable. when trump present himself as a singular solution to anything that ails you, one of the things he is doing is saying if you do not believe in me if you do not follow me then you are not just on the side of wrong, you are on the side of evil. when we start talking in those binaries, good, bad, evil, you know the devil and angel sort
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of i mary, what we are doing is we are setting up a singular figure to be the only vehicle for political participation which i agree is by definition a form of fascism. that it is coming under the guise of religion, that's not surprising. we have seen this growing christian national movement for many years. it has found an outlet in trump, it might be surprising given his actual history but it shouldn't surprise us that christian nationalism is attracted to power, that's always been the goal, what should scare us is how successful it is. >> as tressie points out, it is donald trump who is the religious figure in all of this, the thrice married
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philander who was questioned about whether he had sex with a porn star, he's known -- he hasn't shown any zeal for humanity, i have to say, he went on and on and on, for like 95 minutes and he himself, didn't necessarily seem all that convinced of the sermon he was giving, if you will. >> that's absolutely right. i was there in milwaukee at the republican convention and it was two very different speeches. we may have had a different reaction had he stopped after 15 minutes but as you pointed out, he went on so long, it was the longest convention acceptance speech that anyone has ever recorded and people were sort of losing interest, not following it but a lot of it was his standard, very, very divisive, untruthful kind of rally rhetoric.
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he basically rafted together a typical trump rally, with this sort of i am your dear leader, coming back to the white house for you. and it's a little bit jarring and inconsistent but the overall vibe that you got from trump's presence at this convention was late stage roman emperor, and remember the romans made religious cults of their emperor. so it's not at all inconsistent. trump has always had a little bit of the imperial, ran for the extra gold, the columns, everywhere, that is very trumpy and i think so is this newfound rhetoric, but it also plays to the constituency. he has realized that the most
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faithful and core religious block of the republican party are very hard right religious nationalists, and so, those are the voting block in 2016 and 2020, who voted more for him than any other group. so he's also playing politics by using this language. i think that it didn't strike me as super sincere. but it is pretty cynical and calculated in many respects to be a political position right now. >> george, we were told before the speech that it's going to be about unity, it'll be his moment of deep reflection. and it was not that at all and when he went off script, it wasn't to have these moments of introspection or even comedy, there was just more darkness and incoherence. >> there are two things going on. one, the essential fact that
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his personality did not change as a result of what happened on saturday. it will never change because of what happened saturday. i will repeating over and over, he's a sociopath and he views everything as being about him and anybody who is not with him is someone that has to be overcome and destroyed. he doesn't believe in unity unless the unity is him. >> i, alone. the other piece of this is his running mate, jd vance. he had at least a more congenial note and vance is known for saying the same thing that susan glasser did just we are in the end of the roman empire. he's known for his dark, foreboding vision of the future and i wonder, the combination of these two individuals on top
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of the ticket, does that bring people in? i say this genuinely. >> it may bring some people in but it certainly keeps people in the fold. i talked about, we've been talking about how, there's an in group, and in out group and the cleavage of good and bad but part of the way that fascists movements and cults develop that in and out system, is by telling the people who are in the group, that there are existential threats from outside the group. that brings the people within the group together, and necessarily, doesn't result in unity. >> tressie, you have no -- new
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writing about maga, the new recruits to this movement. can you talk a little bit about what is attracting them to this apocalyptic vision? >> i think a few things. one, this messianic performance that donald trump does, i think it's important for us to understand that, but there's also another overlay, which is celebrity. you get this marriage of two cultures that i think young, conservative or conservative leaning people in particular are very familiar with. they have been, you know, formed in the shadow of a rising christianity movement in this country and at the same time, everything in their lives has been about celebrity. the figures that they are most familiar with, then, are those that are preachers, religious figures and people who are celebrities. donald trump says i am both, right? so i think that's very appealing to people and i think it's also, you know, the economics matter, the republicans have spent tens of
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millions of dollars over the last 50 years, building an infrastructure to target, develop, build trust and relationships with young people, in particular, young white people but it's important to point out, not just young white people, it's particularly successful with young white men in particular but they are not the only ones that are susceptible to a messianic strong, you know, daddy like figure that grabs onto their fears about masculinity, economic mobility, that he is able to capture that. he is the beneficiary of a lot of investment in developing that infrastructure. and i would also point out that young people like to be entertained, it's something that donald trump has always understood perhaps better than any contemporary politician, is that politics is entertainment. >> i get that, susan, but hulk hogan? it felt more like, last call in
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vegas, then it did, you know, showtime on the main stage here at radio city. it did not seem like trump was at the top of his game last night? >> the hulk hogan thing was in some respects a very fitting opening to the finale of this convention because it was a joke, it was a circus. and some people might buy tickets to that show, my guess is that most people wouldn't buy tickets to that show. it's not taylor swift, and it's probably not a majority either, of young people or people in this country who want to go to that show. i did find, it was an interesting contrast in this year's convention from eight years ago say in cleveland, when there was still a sense of
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a party whose future and soul was up for grabs. there was a fight still on at the republican convention back when trump became the nominee. ted cruz gave that speech and said vote your conscience and said wouldn't endorse trump and then you have this time, it was a less friction filled atmosphere because all of the other thinkers have been purged or they certainly have not shown up. the remaining non-maga fragments of the party, nikki haley, she was very uncountable, she was about the only speaker who didn't go on and on about donald trump's magical personal qualities, and i think that's important, so for the show, this was a show for the dedicated inner core of the maga faithful. i don't know, maybe for them, it was a little bit too much of a joke. hulk hogan, also crazy voice, he sounded like some kind of
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disney version of a wrestling star making a political speech. it was really weird to see it in person. >> maybe hulk hogan is a big star in some strange universe, or at least for one night. please stick around. we have a lot more to get to including new reporting on the behind-the-scenes negotiations in the democratic party. we are going to discuss that and later, donald trump, last night, praised the florida judge who flew -- throughout his documents case. with the special counsel did this week that could potentially make trump's good feelings about all of that short-lived. stay with us. with us ♪ that just will never come out ♪ ♪ pour downy in the rinse, jade ♪ ♪ every now and then i rinse it out! ♪ removes 100% of odor in just one wash.
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house and senate democrats are publicly asking president biden to drop out of the 2024 presidential race. privately leading democrats including nancy pelosi and former president barack obama, they have reportedly raised concerns about president biden staying in the race. new reporting from politico says pelosi has voiced support for an open nomination process, if president biden does indeed bow out but that is still very much a big if. so far, the president has not indicated that he's going anywhere. after testing positive for covid earlier this week, biden said he will be back on the campaign trail next week. he says the stakes are high and the choice is clear. together, we will win. george, first of all, i mean, from the outside and inside, wherever you find yourself, it
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seems like this is not a good thing for the democratic party to be in open deliberation about the future of the ticket. at the same time, it is a contrast with the very things we were talking about in the last block. the impulses that have come to dominate the political party. >> one party is not a party, it's personality. the other is focused on the interest of the policies and the goals that it seeks and also, in this case, the country is at stake. it's truly at stake in this election in a way that it hasn't been probably since 1864. so, i look at it that way, and it's important for this to get resolved, so that the pro- democracy, antiauthoritarian coalition that needs to be formed, and i think it can be formed very quickly or reformed very quickly around joe biden,
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if it's definitively determined he would be the nominee or around you, if you got the nomination, we would get behind you. >> we know that's not happening but that's a good point. it can get reformed, not just around a new candidate but around joe biden because the fundamental interests here are so compelling that even as unfortunate and maybe inconvenient and ugly as this chapter has been, when it's over, the wagons will circle. >> because that energy is what is pulling the democrats apart. that existential concern about the future. >> i want to bring in eugene daniels now. welcome. my question to you is, you know, we have these statements from senators that have arrived in the last 24 hours. the fact that the democratic fervor meant is still putting this stuff out, to me, from a
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layperson's perspective means that leadership is not convinced that biden is taking seriously enough their concerns and truly considering bowing out. what is your read of the situation? >> i don't think anyone would consider you a layperson when it comes to politics, that's number 1 but you are right, if you are reading into, seeing these things still happening, the call for biden to drop out, still cascading, that is leadership allowing it to happen, telling people that it's okay and more importantly, telling president biden and his team that they don't believe that he can win. if nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries thought president biden could win and everybody needed to be quiet and get aligned, then that would happen. this is a party that despite most things, when it comes to the hill, they often get in
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line, and they definitely would if they thought it would damage the candidacy of joe biden. what you are seeing is this intense fear, and george is right, the worry about the existential threat that democrats feel that trump poses that is causing all of this. when you are looking at down ballot, they are given polls and they are seeing this for the house and senate races where the gubernatorial races, they are showing them that joe biden is a drag on the ticket. could this change? we still have three and half months, four months until the selection. but at this point, they don't think that joe biden can
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actually help them win, and that has not changed and i will also say, we wouldn't be having this conversation if the biden team did not demand that there was a debate before he got the nomination, that june 27th debate is going to be the most consequential the matter what happens, the decision, really in modern political history, especially for the democratic party because had he not done the june 27th debate, no matter how bad he might have been in any of these debates, they wouldn't be calling for him to leave, they would be calling for him to bring the wagons together. >> tressie, i was shocked by the reporting in politico that nancy pelosi is calling for i guess, shocked this may be an overstatement but i was surprised that the former speaker of the house would be calling for an open convention. she does not want it to seem like a coronation of the vice president. that seems like a very risky calculation, given not only you know the fact that she's the vice president, but also the calendar. what do you make of
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that? >> i also, maybe i'm not shocked that nancy pelosi has a stake in this, that's her job, but i am a little shocked by how she is framing this. i think it is really a problem to be talking about what would be a procedural issue, turning the convention into that. my sense is that regular voters are not following the ins and outs of whether or not i should remove himself from the ticket. they will be tuning into the convention. so i would suspect that you don't want to go before the general public especially your core constituents and instead of talking to them about the election and the stakes of the election, you will be talking to them about procedure. and i just don't think that's a good use of the voters attention. i'm also surprised that she would call it a coronation. i want to challenge that a little bit. i'm not sure what a vice president is, if a vice president isn't the person who is supposed to fulfill the duties of president, of the presidency, if the president
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cannot fulfill them so if you are saying that joe biden would, of his own esteem, would withdraw from the ticket, the american public, the voters have actually already said who they think should step into that role. i think calling it a coronation at a moment when there is an actual candidate on the other side in trump who is quite literally trying to appoint himself king, to start using that, they are the only party that is still trying to have a fair election. >> you have reporting that there's a behind the scenes effort of harris supporters to make sure that she is not passed over for this. can you talk more about that? >> this is something the vice president and her team are not a part of that these are allies of hers, members of the congressional black caucus, these are civil rights leaders, who are quietly building an
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apparatus, someone told me that if and when it's needed, they can turn the lights on, so that means they are having conversations about what a team and a campaign would look like. what with the message be, because what you've heard about vice president harris is now, she is someone who's a much better messenger than she was. she is someone who has led on the most important issue, best issue, politically for democrats and that is reproductive freedom but what they don't want is for that to be the only message. so they are leaning into the 150 foreign trips that she's done. they are leaning into all of the domestic winds that the administration has had. anybody who doesn't have that national image, they wouldn't be ready for the two wars that
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we are in, they wouldn't be ready to continue to build up inflation. that is something they are working on. one of the ways, that one person put it to me was that she doesn't have the political apparatus so we have to build it around her and we have to be careful because they don't want it to be seen that vice president harris is angling for this and trying to get them to do it because the awkwardness of that with president biden would be intense, and that would, as a black woman, they know all of the racism that would come with her seemingly pushing him out and pushing him off the ticket would be something the democratic party would have a hard time dealing with. >> the whole thing is quite awkward. but i absolutely understand the
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strategy. thank you all for making the time. i appreciate some of your friday night. as we get new details about the gunmen who attempted to assassinate donald trump, questions about trump's own medical condition and treatment remain totally unanswered. first last night, trump praised judge cannon's ruling but is it going to hold up under appeal? that is next. that is next (tony hawk) skating for over 45 years has taken a toll on my body. i take qunol turmeric because it helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. why qunol? it has superior absorption compared to regular turmeric. qunol. the brand i trust. (♪♪) (♪♪) bounce back fast from heartburn with
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on monday a major ruling was handed down from a highly respected federal judge in florida, eileen cannon, finding that the prosecutor and the fake documents case against me were totally unconstitutional and the entire case was thrown out of court. with all of that publicity, thrown out of court. >> donald trump and his convention speech last night thank the highly respected judge who he appointed and who has seemingly gone out of her way to rule in trump's favor, repeatedly. in response to her ruling, trump's lead attorney said jack smith the special counsel must respect the rule of law, shut down his office and and this unconstitutional abuse of power. for the record, smith does not
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appear to be packing up anytime soon. his office filed an appeal with the 11th circuit right away. kristi, okay, this 11th circuit has slapped down one of judge cannon's decisions earlier, the special master call that she made, erroneously, in their words, do you see them disagreeing with her on this decision to throw out the case? >> absolutely yes, to get a sense of how bad this argument is, trump's lawyers didn't even make this argument in the d.c. case, like they didn't even try it. it came up during oral arguments in the presidential immunity case by justice thomas because he said hey are you arguing this here in trump's lawyers were like now, we argued it in florida but not here, why? why the difference? there's clear precedent in d.c. that special councils are just fine, two appellate courts have
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upheld it, there's a history of upholding it. it's a deeply rooted tradition back 140 years to have special councils, who said that? brett kavanagh, there's a supreme court case on point, so it's such a bad ruling, it's so devoid of looking at the statutory text, following supreme court precedent, the history, i think this will be overturned. >> you mentioned kavanagh and justice thomas. clarence thomas, i won't even call it an easter egg, it was a big flag like eileen cannon, in case you want to dismiss the case, here's my opinion on that which is in support of you dismissing the case. he wrote that in the immunity ruling. first of all, is this going to get appealed up to the supreme court and do you think that clarence thomas's opinion hold sway with the other conservative members of the court? >> i think it will, assuming the
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11th circuit does the right thing and overturns her ruling, then i think that will go up to the supreme court and at least it is notable that no other justice joined justice thomas in that concurrence. the reason for that may be that the fact is, no attorney had raised it before then. it was not argued, so they may have just not joined because it wasn't properly before them, justice thomas, decided to waive this flag before judge cannon and say here is permission, here's the invitation to cut and paste my reasoning into your opinion. >> setting the supreme court aside, given the transparently partisan, i'm not a lawyer but even from the outside, she looks transparently partisan. do you think there is a real movement to file a writ, basically an appeal to get
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george -- judge cannon off of the case. do you think it could be granted by the 11th circuit? >> i think they don't want to put the cart before the horse and i think they want to get the ruling from the 11th circuit that she was wrong about this special counsel appointment ruling and once they get to in a row from the 11th circuit where they've shown that she is dead wrong on the law, then they can say look at these two rulings and look at a number of other rulings that she's had in the district court and put all of that together and say, you need to remove her. at that point, it will be right and they should do it. don't let it go back to her and then, she will just make another ruling and then we are here months and months and months again. >> you sound sort of cautiously optimistic that this will happen? >> it's hard to say because ultimately all roads lead to
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the supreme court and there's no way to feel confident about what they will do given what we've seen, given the presidential immunity decision here. >> thank you for your legal listen. what exactly, what exactly happened to donald trump during the attempt on his life, and why exactly do we not know more? dr. group the joins me to discuss all of that. stay with us. with us off?. discover the power of wegovy®. ♪ ♪ with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. ♪ ♪ and i'm keeping the weight off. wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only fda-approved weight-management medicine that's proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events in adults with known heart disease and with either obesity or overweight. wegovy® shouldn't be used with semaglutide or glp-1 medicines. don't take wegovy®
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today hundreds gathered for the funeral of corey compertore, killed a trump rally while shielding his wife and child from gunfire. the gunman was shot dead by police at the scene, and while his mother remains unclear, we are getting new details about his whereabouts and search history prior to the shooting. tonight the wall street journal citing multiple law enforcement sources was the first to report that the shooter was able to fly a drone to get aerial footage of the rally location just hours before trump was slated to speak. nbc has confirmed that a drone and drone equipment were both recovered from the shooter's vehicle, as well as a bulletproof vest and asked buses. the shooters electronic devices showed searches for donald trump, joe biden, and other officials, and the dates for this year's democratic national convention. police are still investigating how the government was able to
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fire his rifle roughly 150 yards away from where donald trump was speaking. he reportedly scouted the location days before the shooting and was reported as a suspicious person at least an hour before he opened fire. on monday, secret service director kimberly cheatle, facing intense scrutiny over security failures, is expected to testify in front of the house security committee where we are expected to get more information. all of these investigations and hearings stand in stark contrast to the utter silence on the part of the trump campaign, specifically other concerns the former president and current republican nominee, and the injuries trump sustained in this attack. as the associated press reports, the public is still in the dark over the extent of his injuries, what treatment trump received in the hospital, and whether there may be any long- term effects on his health. nearly the only information we have comes from republican congressman ronny jackson,
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trump's former white house doctor, who appeared this week on a podcast. >> you been with them for the last 48 hours, did you do any medical assessment on the president? >> on his ear, yeah, yeah. >> is he missing a piece of his ear? >> a little bit at the top. it is going to granulate and heal at the end, and not need anything done with it. it's going to be fine. >> i will be speaking with dr. gupta, who will try to make sense of this, and what might be going on here coming up right after the break. e break. [door creaks open] [floor creaks] [door creaks shut] (♪♪) (♪♪)
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>> there is an interesting statistic. the ears are the bloodiest part, if something happens on the ears, they bleed more than any other part of the body. for whatever reason. the doctors told me that and i said why is there so much blood? he said it's the ears, they bleed more. so we learn something. the ears of the bloodiest part of the human body.
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aside from that, we've gotten very little official information about the former president's condition. texas congressman ronny jackson, trump's mighty white house doctor, said the bullet end trump's assassination attempt took off the top of trump's ear. his son, eric, said that the wound did not require stitches. but that is basically it. joining me now is dr. vin gupta, and nbc medical contributor and critical care fit condition. dr. gupta, it seems like what we know of previous presidential nominees and current presidents, like an unusual blackout of medical information. i wonder if it seems unusual to you, and what you would like to know about the president mighty condition. >> absolutely, it is unusual, given the gravity of the situation. and i'd say for your viewers, something look up and research if you are interested, it is called the tangential gunshot wound. that is essentially what the president is saying happened here. he had a high velocity bullet from an ar 15 style weapon should directly at his head,
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missed penetrating his goal, but actually impacting the surrounding tissues, in this case, his ear. that is what we are being told. that is serious. i come from a military background. that predisposes, in some cases, to a traumatic brain injury. over time we might not see initial symptoms up front. there could've been signs of bleeding that maybe were not present on that initial ct scan that apparently was normal, for whatever report we got, the summary report. there's a lot of potential impacts here that could impact his function if he is the next president, to his balance, to his hearing, they can manifest over time. this is a big deal. tangential gunshot wound. if this was a bullet injury to the ear, this is a big deal. tangential gunshot wounds, we see them all the time in the armed forces. i cannot secondary impacts. >> are there particular things you'd want to know about his treatment, either immediately after the assassination attempt or now? >> absolutely. first of all, eric trump has said that there is no stitches needed.
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that's a big deal, because the implication then, alex, is they were able to control the bleeding from an impact that somehow took off a part of his ear. we are saying from an ar 15 style weapon. the kinetic impact of the body from that type of bully, from an ar 15 style weapon, is massive. if that was really a bullet injury, it should caused significant soft tissue damage. it would be helpful for the american public to understand what was the degree of injury. were they able to control the bleeding without stitches, just to confirm what eric trump is saying? what was that process like? did they use things like double bond to help? it would understand the extent of injury absolutely. and did they do a cranial and neurological exam? are his hearing and balance intact? we don't know. >> you have, i mean, i do want to ask because the president talked at length about it. he said the ears of the bloodiest part of the body.
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there was a large volume of blood, he made note of that last night. is that true? >> i heard the same thing, i was watching, as well. i don't know what anatomy textbook him and his doctors are using, but that is, that struck me as a bit nonsensical. you could say the lips, or the eyes are more vascular. certainly the heart is the most vascular part of the body, so if that were to bleed, that would be quite bloody. it was a random comment. it is not rooted in any actual evidence. from a surface one standpoint, any facial injury, the scout, highly vascular. lips, of course. that is more bloody. so was a random comment. >> there are obviously a lot of questions, some serious metal questions that we would hope we will get a little more transparency on in the coming days and weeks. dr. vin gupta, great to have your expertise. thanks for your time tonight. that's our show for tonight, now it's time for the last word with my buddy, jonathan capehart, in florence. >> even, alex. i was hoping you were going to ask dr. gupta about the size of the bandage, and

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