granted early release, with credit earned for good behavior. >> i feel worse for her mother than i do for myself. >> that is-- a powerful statement. >> well i-- >> your son died. >> a i know, but i have this on that i did. and i couldn't be more proud of the young man that he was, kind, selfless, and compassionate. everything. >> conrad's mom says this is a hard story to tell, but she hopes sharing it will help others. >> there are children in this world just like conrad and i can't even imagine anything like this happening again. that's all for this edition of dateline, i am andrea canning, thank you for watching.

in las vegas before the he said the money has dried up, we don't have the money. and that information also leaked to the press. >> right.

>> and look, joe, i mean yeah, so yesterday you said all of those people, you know, ducks in a row, adam schiff, a kilos close pelosi ally, certainly with her blessing, she had heard a leak thing about how he had a fundraiser, he said he thought biden would lose, then he came out yesterday with the l.a. times, probably the most prominent democrat so far, almost certain soon to be senator from california house intelligence committee came out and said that he wanted biden to step aside and then in rapid succession, words coming out that hakeem jeffries had a tough meeting with by the last friday, that schumer had had a meeting on saturday and then last night, again, not coincidentally, almost the moment that jd vance finished speaking abby phillips of cnn broke the news that nancy pelosi had the same conversation with biden. i believe it is possible that she had that conversation with biden more than once last thursday, and none of this is a

coincidence. this is what it looks like when the democratic leadership is still trying to get joe biden to do what they believe is the right thing for the party, which is to step aside. still trying to only go public in kind of a bleak way, not calling a press conference, not issuing anything formal but they are-- their patients is now exhausted. they have looked at these numbers and you come back to the money, joe. jeffrey katzenberg has devoted a lot of his professional life to trying to get joe biden in the white house, to get the joe biden in 2020 he raise more money for joe biden all told back in 2020 than any other person, he has raised more money for joe biden collectively pulling all these people together, big hollywood fundraisers and he is the campaign cochair, jeffrey katzenberg okay? he went to biden yesterday and said we don't-- the big dollar donors are done. effectively. i'm paraphrasing, but we can still raise money at the grassroots, but that means about half of the money that we

were expecting for the fall, we are not going to have. joe biden has had a significant financial advantage over donald trump for the first half of this year as we all know, and this goes to our discussion about pulling. they have spent hundreds of millions of dollars already in the battleground states and one of those things that worries, again, democrats and some of the president's people is that they spend a lot of money in those battleground states and have not moved his numbers much, while the trump campaign has not had much money the first half of this year. so, they look at a place like pennsylvania, where they spent the most money in any given state and his numbers have gotten a little bit worse there, rather than better. and donald trump is not been on television other than the super pack and jeffrey katzenberg assigned to joe biden, our time will be a financial advantage over donald trump. big donors are now going to get their money to democrats to try to save the house and senate.

that is the reality of the picture we are facing, mr. president, that was the message yesterday. and if you take that message and combine it with the orchestrated message, really collectively of the leadership, of the congressional democrats, that is as dark of a day's there has been for joe biden, since the debate, where it is no sort of clear that collectively, the leadership of the party and the senate and the house and the donors who support joe biden in the democratic party are basically sending a very clear message to joe biden about what they think is the best interest of the party and no joe biden, with covid, and posing for speedy recovery is going to think it over and it is going to be a very sober time for him, because the message-- the writing is on the wall, whether he decides to read it or not, but the message is very clearly on the wall for him right now. >> john, thank you so much, and a sobering message you got yesterday from congressional

leaders his fundraiser was simple. we are losing, you are losing, and you are going to run out of money. the donors have left. so i don't-- i don't know with those two or three in his inner circle will say to that, but they don't know more than nancy pelosi about pulling, they don't know more about contributors than jeffrey katzenberg who has dedicated a good chunk of you know, the last decade to helping elect joe biden. we are losing, you are losing and the donors have abandoned you, it doesn't matter what people are saying. >> like i said last hour, i believe deeply, and president, joe biden's ability to run this country, i also trust more than anybody i have ever met in politics, nancy pelosi's

political acumen. so, when she speaks i listen, and i think a lot of other people do. >> democrats certainly do on the hill. >> let's bring in msnbc news and msnbc political analyst claire, clear, this morning recover from covid and the rnc is confidently underway? >> yeah. this is a tough time for the democratic party. for a lot of reasons. but if you look at the narrative of what has happened, i think-- and i look at this from the perspective of someone is a democrat who might be running in a tough state. because that is what chuck schumer has to do. hakeem jeffries focused on congressional candidates running in districts. that is what delivers majorities for the policies that we care about the values that we all share.

and they watch the debate, realize that the age issue has now become-- had now become something that was very, very big and immediately afterwards those candidates and those connected leaders of our party thought, well, let's give joe biden some space and a break, because you know, this was a horrible fight for him and everyone felt for him personally about how difficult that night had to have been for him and his family. and the other thing that happened is everyone waited a week to 10 days to pull i think you can assume that every single battleground state where we have a senate election waited 7-10 days and they asked questions, like what it impact your vote if the u.s. senate candidate refused to acknowledge that there might be difficulties with joe biden

serving another four years? they asked questions, like you believe joe biden is the strongest candidate for the democrats to, in fact field? those polls all came back and as time went on it appeared that the circle around joe biden got closer and closer and then it came time for the leaders of those groups, hakeem jeffries and chuck schumer to take data to the president and say, this is what we are facing, this is really a problem. not that anyone took joy in that, not that anyone is trying to push joe biden off of a cliff i think everyone is feeling a lot of mixed emotions about this. everyone. because there's this thing looming and we watched it last night, the people who you know, 10 minutes ago were calling donald trump hitler and

unhinged are now going, well, no, you know, he's great. so, it is something that i think when they tried to move up the roll call, i think that frankly, turned a lot of people that were upset at where joe biden was to being angry and mad. that, not only were they not listening to the concerns of the other elected people in his party, but that they were -bent on going forward, even more quickly than they needed to to tried to, like slammed the door on all of the concerns and these aren't elite voters out there, guys, i can just tell you, from my time over the last week, most people who come up to me that are you know my plumber, who called me. >> yeah. >> these are people that are

really worried about donald trump being president. >> deeply worried. it did seem like, declare's point, the biden team had a window here at the debate. give us a chance, prove us wrong , shows you can still do this and he's been out there. he's had to decent interviews, he got through the press conference just fine but it almost is like the performance does not matter, because the perception had taken hold. and the data back that up, the fundraising back set up and it seems that these democrats who really like joe biden who were grateful to him for his service, they think he has been a really good president and they think he's a presidential candidate, and nothing has happened, despite biden's best efforts. >> you know, jonathan, age, historically has gone undefeated , there's nothing you can do about it. you get old, you get old. and there are certain elements of getting older that affect you, physically and sometimes mentally. the problem here is the

confusion about who joe biden is today. joe biden remains today the decent, generous, honorable human being that he has always been all of his life and to read the reports of unnamed members of congress and unnamed members of the senate, who are thinking of their down ballot success this fall thinking about their own jobs, everybody understands that to be told that they are bitter about joe biden or disappointed in joe biden is really really sad, because the man has given his best to the country he has had a wonderful four year administration with more success than i would argue that barack obama had in his administration he has changed the country and joe and mika, i don't know about you, i do know about you actually, but the sadness of this is personal for me, and i think for people who know joe biden.

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republicans are feeling extremely confident about donald trump's prospects to win the presidency again. senator, jd vance of ohio introduced himself to a national audience last night at the republican national convention, accepting the nomination for vice president. the 39-year-old shared stories of his turbulent upbringing, which was chronicled in his best-selling memoir, hillbilly elegy. his speech had a populist tone, counting himself as a fighter

for the working class. >> a venture capitalist? >> president trump represents america's last best hope to restore what it lost may never be found again. a country where a working-class boy born far from the halls of power can stand on the stage as the next vice president of the united dates of america. joe biden has been a politician in washington for longer than i have been alive, 39 years, total. kamala harris not much further behind. for half a century he has been the champion of every major policy initiative to make america weaker and poorer. we have a big tent in this party on everything, from national security to economic policy. but my message to you, my fellow republicans, is, we love this country and we are united to win. my message to my fellow americans, those watching from

across the country is, shouldn't we be governed by a party that is unafraid to debate ideas and come to the best solutions? that is the republican party of the next four years, united in our love for this country and committed to free speech and the open exchange of ideas. >> it is very interesting. jonathan lanier, i mean, i am finding ivy league elite schools-- >> here we go. >> whether jail-- >> it is true though. >> he went to columbia, but whether jail or harvard or princeton-- these elite institutions that would not even allow me to buy a t-shirt from their campus stores, these elite institutions are producing some of the fiercest populists

in america. >> i mean-- >> in this populist thing he's doing i just -- i love the split screens of him you know, i love san francisco. san francisco is great. i love it. i love san francisco. and you know-- i love san francisco so much and-- i love -- >> have a latte. >> i love the elite out here, they are so smart and so, yeah. here we have josh holly. he is a fierce populist. stanford, yale. harvard, princeton. i mean-- again, these are places you know, they put a bbs out. in the southern state school guys, coming, lockup, lock up the campus store. no t-shirts, no t-shirts for joe. >> you could spare a couple of t-shirts. >> alabama.

>> yeah, joe, yeah. >> i also have an old miss t- shirts that i'm allowed to wear eye level missed too. but anyway, this whole populist thing is crazy, and this whole we love america-- how you love america? if you are always saying that it is terrible how you love america when you deny that we have the strongest economy in the world. how do you love america when you deny that we still have the greatest entrepreneurial engine in the world? how do you love america, when you continue to tear down the strength of america's military when, in fact they are stronger in the world than at any time? >> how do you love america when you keep talking about how terrible america is? that is the great enduring mystery i would love answered, and that is the great enduring mystery that i wish democrats would actually ask republican

candidates. >> i think for jd vance, his efforts to symbolize his race for venture capitalists like this is when he grew a beard. no. back then, now he has a beard and that is trying to symbolize his new political be quaint but you make a good point about his dark vision of america that we heard from republicans, when all of the data doesn't really back that up, we know there is sort of delays here in the united states too. inflation now cooling has been too high, but by the numbers america is as successful as it has ever been in a lot of metrics, but yet that stands in a stark contrast to the vision by, not just vance, but notably by donald trump and that is why i do think maybe he will preach unity. we all know that won't last. history social suggests otherwise. he will indeed go back to painting america as apocalyptic we will see if it does for the rest of the electorate. speaking of trump he will headline tonight in milwaukee and joining us now in wisconsin

national political correspondent for political, erica. the author of the upcoming book trump in exile. and meredith you have reporting on how trump and senator, jd vance's relationship went from sour to now partners sharing a ticket together. tell us about that. >> well, let's go back to 2016, when jd vance wrote hillbilly elegy. that really served as a kind of guide to the white working class voters that donald trump appealed to and really helped to translate to a lot of people the political base that donald trump was tapping into, but back then, jd vance wasn't so much a fan of donald trump. he had called him a liar and he was one of those faces of the never trumper movement. but flash forward to the 2022 midterm election and jd vance

made appeals to donald trump he ran for senate in ohio a crowded primary field and he was able to win donald trump over for a few reasons, one, he directly took on those criticisms. he once had of donald trump. but he also had some really powerful allies behind him, people like donald trump jr. and peter, who made a deep appeals to trump on his behalf, and i have some reporting in my book about some of the encounters that trump and vance had, whether it was at his golf course in palm beach or it was, you know, other instances, where trump thought that vance was his guy and ultimately endorsed him but it really is a remarkable arc for jd vance to go from once a liberal darling to now vice presidential

nominee for donald trump and somebody who is really seen as a maggie o'mara parent now. >> meredith, so many different reasons to be excited as the reason why donald trump decided to go with jd vance that he was a true populist, that he liked his foreign policy, he liked his stances on television, but then there's probably the most attractive reason of all, jd vance recanted and surrendered, in a sense, to donald trump. what you think is the reason trump, at the end of the day decided to go with him? >> well, i think trump has always loved to win over his former critics. we have seen that time and time again, with people in the republican party, who once denounced him and now have become some of his biggest cheerleaders. but i think with this pick it really came down to a few things. and one, i think they have a strong personal rapport, and i think donald trump was looking

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because i don't agree with clarence thomas's dissent or the supreme court decision on immunity. >> president biden reacting to the case with lester holt last night. judge cannon, was appointed by donald trump released her 93 page decision early yesterday. she stated her ruling is based on the grounds that the appointment of and funding for special counsel, jack smith are illegal, unconstitutional. joining us now, former u.s. attorney and contributor, chuck rosenberg and former u.s. attorney, barbara mcqueen with us as well. so i will start with you, just your reaction to what you read in those 93 pages yesterday from judge cannon. >> yeah, i think there are two questions, what is easy to answer and another a little bit harder. question one, is judge cannon's decision an outlier, easy. yes it is, absolutely. every other court and every other judge who has looked at this question has ruled that

the appointment of a special counsel or independent counsel or special prosecutor, whatever the term was at the time, was constitutional, lawful and appropriate. the second question i think is harder. is she right? in my opinion, no. i think she has it wrong, i think the appointment was constitutional and lawful. she is, as i mentioned earlier on sort of an island, by herself, legally, but whether or not she turns out to be right is to be determined. we know that justice, clarence thomas agrees with her view. this is a case that might be heard by the supreme court, mike, i say, because mr. trump wins office again he could dismiss the case and about the entire question, but it seems to me that she got it wrong, whether or not she is sustained, ultimately, by the supreme court, to be determined. >> there is precedence by the justice department, robert mueller and the investigation. so, on what grounds is judge

cannon making this argument? >> yeah. simply this. if you were to boil the 93 page decision to a couple of sentences i think this would be it, but the appointment of jack smith was unconstitutional, because he is not properly an officer in this case. in other words, that merrick garland, the attorney general, doesn't have the authority to appoint someone with authority that jack smith has. in order for smith to execute the duties of this office he has to be nominated by the president, confirmed by the senate. so, the appointment was unconstitutional and improper. >> certainly a remarkable moment here for the former president when these four cases were brought against him. this one was perceived by mostly experts as one that was mostly a slamdunk the documents

were found in his bathroom, and yet here we are, where in that case in this moment anyway, it does not exist. so give us your reaction to what happened yesterday and where we could go in terms of an appeal and its timing. >> i was actually very surprised to see this decision, the way it has. i know that there has been criticism of judge cannon because of some of her prior rulings, but i would like to repeat good faith to judges. but in this case it really flies in the face of precedent, including the supreme court case, where they looked at these very same statutes, you know, the court certainly reviewed it and said that the appointment of leon in water great was appropriate under these very same statutes, so i think it is a disturbing decision and it ends the case. now, certainly the justice department has the ability to appeal this to the 11th circuit court of appeals and the doj has approved the appeal to do that. they also have another avenue to go here which is to allow a

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he placed his body between mine and a man with a gun, simply because he felt that is what his duty called for him to do. six societies don't produce dedicated police officers. six societies don't make people like us so proud to be americans and so very proud of our fellow citizens. >> then president, ronald reagan, less than a month after he was shot and killed by a gunman in washington, d.c., gop nominee, donald trump has signaled he will call for unity after surviving his own assassination attempt over the weekend. more than a century earlier, then former president, teddy roosevelt, who was shot while campaigning to retake the white house, cool down his rhetoric in a hard-fought

campaign after the attempt of his life. so too did alabama governor, george wallace, who survived being shot five times in 1972, when he was running for president and would go on to apologize for his long history of racism. >> let's bring in pulitzer prize-winning author, doris. doris, there are so many things we need to talk about. i'm going to start with tr, because you look to what happened to donald trump, who got shot and then despite the fact the secret service should have held its head down and got him offstage, he still stood up and made the gesture to the crowd, told him he was okay, raised his fist, it-- it does remind you of tr getting shot and continuing his speech.

>> you are absolutely right, joe. what happened to tr when he was shot, standing up in the car right outside the hotel on his way to deliver a speech, right in the chest, point-blank he was shot. and they insisted he go to the hospital and he said no i am going to give the speech, so he goes to give the speech, he stands on that stage with the bullet in his chest, 84 minutes he speaks in that speech, the come up to the stage, you have got to get off, he says no i have to finish, he finally finishes his speech and i think they realize, he hadn't been killed because he had his speech so thick in his pocket and his spectacles that it didn't deflect into his heart, incredibly right? he goes to the hospital and he has to stay there sometime due to the infection but when he does come out he does change and he says he got rid of the rhetoric, he had been name- calling and it looks like the embassy of the country was

going to go for him. in fact one of the democrats at the bullet that thrust and teddy roosevelt's chest has now killed wilson, the democrat's chance for the election, but the fundamental message remains the same, he was a former president running against taft, a former friend in the republican party, the republican party is split, so the democrats won but he won the largest ever third-party candidate, because he was able to deal with not election and that assassination attempt in the most perfect tonal way. >> welcome every republican-- every biographer of ronald reagan seems to also talk about how he changed after he got shot. and reagan, who was considered to be the coldest of cold warriors-- cold war warriors, reagan believed that god had a hand in his life being saved and didn't he talked about from that point forward his goal was to be-- was to bring about an end of a nuclear escalation, and

to prevent armageddon? >> i think you are right, joe. when you come against your mortality and certainly reagan did, it makes you reflect and think about, how am i going to be remembered? what do i want to do with rest of my term am i mean-- even in that month when he went to the joint session of congress from that speech, that was the perfect tone, right? for him to believe in the optimism of america, talks about, this is not a sick society, how can it all be that these people have done such heroic things? and then what he did was introduces legislative package, his tax bill which had not been going very well before the assassination attempt, but now there was such an overwhelming approval, it went up to 68% after that assassination attempt, higher than whatever go, so he was able to move forward, which i think is what the country wanted and then, as you say, later on, move forward much more on his international beliefs. >> we have talked about positive outcomes from these tragic events.

let's talk about also negative outcomes. i still am a very strong believer and you-- obviously you lived this too close and too personally, but i have a very strong belief that america never recovered from what happened on november 22nd 1963. you talk about two americas, that is a dividing line among others, and i don't know if the democratic party really ever recovered from june 6th 1968, the assassination of bobby kennedy, what are your thoughts? >> well, what you realize in the 1960s where i have just been living again in my mind, in terms of a new book, you are numbed almost, yeah john kennedy's assassination martin luther king's assassination, you had bobby kennedy's assassination, malcolm x. so many were calling upon each other, but i think we did recover in one sense, lyndon johnson went to a joint session

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we could quibble over the housing crisis, the detroit lions, star-spangled banner going horribly wrong the other night. but i think really, the bigger question here is raised by the wall street journal editorial page this morning, when we talked about jade events, donald trump, sort of this protectionism and it being not only economically, but also the

america first policy, what it means internationally. the journalism editorial page has been concern for some time about donald trump's protectionist trade policies. what did you hear last night from jd vance, what you expect to hear what tonight from donald trump will he allay the fears of traders and capitalist or what you think will make them more fearful? >> well, it is not just what they say, joe, the issue is what they do. you can start with a housing crisis right? jd vance is up there, talking about what wall street robert behrens did and how they hurt the country and caused that housing bubble to burst, people losing their homes and losing their businesses. but there is no connection to donald trump's policy, because it was wall street predatory lending. what happened when donald trump became president? he went to dwight about the consumer financial protection bree are. his treasury secretary became

supremely wealthy because he profited off of that bubble bursting. yesterday might play out here. a commercial delta flight. i sat next to a hedge fund manager who raised $45 million for donald trump back in april. you know why he is so rich, because he shorted. so the issue that blew my mind last night is that jd vance stood on that stage and he could've talked about things that he believes in, like a national abortion ban, he believes that medicare and social security that's what we need to do to get back to financial sanity. he's all about project 2025. he could've talked about those things but he didn't. he talked about things that were wholly untrue, like how donald trump has-- what he has done and how he will bring jobs back. how joe biden is buying energy from other places. joe biden is producing more oil than any president ever. how on earth is this rhetoric matching the policies they put forward? it is simply not.

>> andrew it has been well discussed, jd vance's discussion from a wall street guy to this populist. give us your analysis of how he is trying to pull it off on this public stage last night which, for much of the country, yeah. maybe they knew him from his book but this is a first look at jd vance, the man, what was your read? >> look, my read was to ask more questions than that really have any real answers. i think that especially among the world of folks in business who are following all of this, they are saying to themselves there's a remarkable disconnect between former president trump and jd vance's view of the world as it relates to so many of these business issues and which one is going to ultimately win? is this window dressing when you hear jd vance talked about, you know does this stop effectively to the middle class, which is something that

donald trump has historically not focused on? you know? in this bloomberg business report this week donald trump says he will take the corporate rate-- tax rates down to 15%, you know, that comes, if you will, from a jd vance view of the world. there has been an expectation that a regulatory regime, which president trump has castigated over the years, you know, if you listen to jd vance he will tell you that he likes lena con, so which is it? i think that is a little bit of a question this morning, which is it? who-- if donald trump is the president is he actually listening to jd vance or his jd vance window dressing for some of the less comfortable things that trump may be supporting? >> stephanie, jd vance and trump, those four weaker american dollars, can you talk about what a fundamental shift that would be and the american

world economy if they were to weaken the american dollar and the world's currency? >> i'm going to give one example are one issue where this really matters and that connect to jd vance's biggest backers are in now donald trump. many people are wondering, why are all of these tech brose-- peter, elon musk right? certainly they are not prounion guys, why are they backing jd vance and donald trump? one of the main reasons his crypto currency right? if suddenly the u.s. dollar, if it is no longer the strongest in the world are going to care more about crypto because they care more about bitcoin, what they would love to see is the sec revamped, regulation route crypto currency changing. that would make this universe, the tech universe backing jd vance and donald trump even more wealthy. so i am not sing alarmed in a bad way, but just pay attention to-- pay attention to these guys

they want to go from having ultimate wealth to ultimate power and deregulation is one of the great ways they are going to do that, and jd vance might help them. don't go anywhere, we have the second hour of morning joe weekend right after the break. .

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welcome back to "morning joe weekend" on the saturday morning. it is 7:00 a.m. on the east coast . let's pick up where we left off this week with this week's top stories. as donald trump accepted the nomination from the republicans, president biden faces and continued growing pressure to get out of the race. several people close to the president telling "new york times" they now believe, joe biden is accepting the idea he may not win in november. this after he isn't keeping up with the demands of the campaign. one source telling nbc news, he expects to raise only a quarter of the original money projected for the month of july. meanwhile, former president barack obama reportedly expressing his concerns about joe biden's ability to stay at the top of the ticket and win. in the house, the washington post reports, former speaker nancy pelosi has told some of her democratic colleagues, she believes biden can be persuaded

fairly soon to drop out. in the upper chamber, senator john chester of montana, in a very tight race there, is calling for the president to abandon his reelection bid. source is telling nbc news, president biden is angry at the way the party is trying to push him out with one criticizing democratic leaders for quote, giving us donald trump. after pushing biden aside in favor of hillary clinton in 2015. adding to this, the associated press poll a couple of days ago that showed 65% of democrats believe it is time for joe biden to step aside as well. >> joining us now, chair of the biden-harris campaign, jen o'malley dillon. thank you for being on. what is the plan? is joe biden still in the race, does he plan to stay in the race, and if so, what is the plan? >> thanks so much for having me. absolutely, the president is in this race, you have heard me

say this time and time again. i think we saw displayed last night exactly why, because donald trump is not going to offer anything new to the american people. he is the same person he was in 2020, use the same person he was at the debate stage, the same person that is about himself, not about the american people and joe biden is more committed than ever to beat donald trump. we believe on this campaign, we are built for the close election we are in and we see the path forward. the president is a leader of our campaign and the country. he is clearly, in our impression, and what we have built and our engagements with voters, he's the best person to take on donald trump and prosecute the case and present his vision, versus what we saw last night. >> so, jen what do you say to democrats who say he can't win and that there are better candidates that can go out there and beat donald trump? >> i mean, look, of course i am not here to say that this is

not been a tough several weeks for the campaign, there is no doubt that it has been. we have definitely seen some slippage in support, but it has been a small movement. and you know this. the reason is because so much of this race is a hardened already. the american people know that the president is older. they see that. they knew that before the debate. yes, of course, we have a lot of work to do to make sure we are assuring the american people that yes, years old, but he can do the job and can win. i think that is fundamentally what we are built for as a campaign. this entire campaign has been built for how close this race will be. it was close in 2020, it will be close in 2024. what people know about the president is pretty hardened. for us, we know that people are not moving from joe biden to donald trump. what they are doing is saying to us, can he do it, and the president is saying, yes, i can.

they are moving to unsure, uncertain, because there's a lot of conversation, as you mentioned, right now what is happening, what is not happening? he has got to show he is fighting for the american people. he has done that day in and day out, since the debates and really holding the people that have been with him all along. obviously of course, we are looking at analytics, polling, seeing what a lot of people are seeing, of course. we are also looking at a lot of numbers that matter too, which is what is happening on the ground. those numbers of our engagements with voters matter. just a sample, we did about 100,000 door knocks over the last few days, all across battleground states. these are people which we would call re-engagement targets, people with us in 2020, maybe they are not engaged in the race, not as partisan and political as we are, so we have a little extra work to talk to them and expansion targets. these are new people that worked with us in 2020, but

because of what donald trump has done with roe v. wade, because of what donald trump has done in this country, they are with us. these are women, they are suburban, they are with us. this is not in the past, just this week, about 100,000 door knocks. 76% of those people whose doors we knocked on and we've talked to are with joe biden. about 16% or so are undecided. they have questions, is he in this race, what is going to happen? and a small percentage are not available to us. of course we are looking at the full picture, but when you get to the bottom of the heart of what we are doing every day for the campaign and dealing with the voters in battleground states, they have questions, but they are staying with joe biden and our numbers are showing that. >> i am curious, then, what you think about for example, someone like nancy pelosi equivocating on this? that is someone who's opinion is unmatched, for sure. i think it is safe to say and we both would agree, jen, the chaos, disorganization, the lack of unity we are seeing

now in the democratic party and in support for joe biden is very damaging and is paving the way for a trump win. my question to you is, what does joe biden and the campaign say to those who continue to say, he should step down, including incredibly high profile names like chuck schumer, and whispers from former president obama, and how does joe biden compare to the other names floating out there as replacements for him? >> look, first of all, if we just take a step back, i think every person believes we have to defeat donald trump. we are united in that. and we know how high the stakes are. we saw that on the stage last night. 100%, we are all in this for the same reason and we are unified behind that. at the same time, we have to take seriously the concerns people are expressing. the way to get past them is to get back to the

business of beating donald trump and setting up the clear choice about the president's vision versus donald trump's vision. you have seen the president out there. i think the event he just did in detroit, where he was laying out his path for the first 100 days of his second term versus project 2025, and we saw that in full display last night. at the end of the day, as i was talking about the, the impression of the president is very pardoned. that is important because people are baked, and that is my -- because they know who joe biden is. when you think about the work we are doing of talking to voters, the people who will make the decision in michigan and pennsylvania, we know we have work to do, but we have work to do that is very clear in the path forward. we have multiple pathways to victory and we can do that by really reaching these voters. we have the greatest respect for the leaders of our party, joe biden is in this for all of

them, but also in this for people like hadley duval, who was out there this past week. i think people got a chance to hear from her, hear her pointed story and what would happen to women like her if donald trump is president and roe v. wade. that is team biden. today, we wrote out a new ad in georgia about a doctor talking about what is at stake for her community with the rollback of rights and reproductive health care for our country. at the end of the day, it is going to take all of us unifying, moving forward, no doubt. it is about the people we are talking about. joe biden is not in this alone. he is an amazing vice president. the people standing up, 1300 women, black women leaders across this country put out a statement saying, they are with joe biden and the 14 million people that made him the democratic nominee and they want us to move forward unified

so we can go back to defeating donald trump. we will have a very significant national organization as well. we continue to grow support. we have a lot of work to do, no doubt, but there is a path and perception of the president that is as clear as before, a hardened perspective on who he is and his leadership. they know him as president biden, but they also know him as joe biden and they know who he is fighting for and the voters stay connected to that. that is what matters most. more "morning joe weekend" after a quick break. break. ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. this summer. snacking. just. got. serious. introducing new $3 footlong dippers. the world might not be ready for them... ...but at $3 a pop? your wallet definitely is. can neuriva support your brain health? mary, janet, hey!! (thinking: eddie, no frasier, frank... frank?) fred! how are you?! fred... fuel up to 7 brain health indicators,

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welcome back to "morning joe weekend." let's pick a back up on the conversation we were just having before the break. >> jen, as you know well, part of the argument we heard from majority leader chuck schumer, when he said and met with resident joe biden, we heard from jon tester, who was running a difficulties in montana to keep his feet, they have great respect for joe biden. they appreciate his legacy and half-century of service, but

they are worried about the downstream of his candidacy, about him being at the top of the ticket. if you look at polls, nationally, head to head, those are tied appropriately. this is not a national referendum. donald trump believes in just about every swing state you can find him. in fairness, some of them still within the margin of error. democratic candidates are running so much higher, faster, and above where joe biden is. what do you say to candidates who are concerned about the dragon he may have and that he could perhaps cost democrats the house and the senate? >> look, i think we have extraordinary democratic candidates on the ticket in battleground states and not battleground states. we had extraordinary elections in 2022, despite what the bowling was saying as well. i know that the president knows better than anyone how to run and ran it locally. in 20 20 this was a national race because of covid, people were taking this in in a more national setting. we have

believed in the beginning that this is a state-by-state race and the battleground states we need to focus on, we are building an organization, we are doing the work, the voters and volunteers are doing the work. we have extraordinary candidates that are running with us. i hear a lot embedded in this question that this is not a race about issues. it is a race about issues. when we are able to fight on the issues, we are able to win. that is exactly why we have such strong leadership. we are very focused on continuing to reach voters. we are doing the work. this campaign was built on a very close race. we knew it would be close from the beginning. we know we have a very clear path forward. we have a very strong democratic ballot up and down the ballot. he is tested, he has beat donald trump before. we have the path forward and our pathway to get to 270, and we know that joe biden has to

do the work to reassure the american people that he is in it to win it and he can do that. we have seen that time in and time out and we are seeing that on the ground in the states. defect that despite having tough weeks coming out of the debate, we still get more support. we have, of the 600,000 grassroots donors that came in the days following the debate, 300,000 of them are brand-new. there is work to do, no doubt. this has not been an easy period. there's a lot of support for joe biden, not just. it is built for the biden- here's ticket and will get us where we need to be in november. >> that is the capital hill side of it, the chuck schumer argument he will drag down democrats with him. what do you say, more importantly perhaps, to regular people, regular democrats who like joe biden, voted for him in 2020, appreciated him, but watched that debate, frankly a

couple of days ago, watched him get off air force one a couple of days ago and held their breath and go, that is a guy i love, but i got i think is just too old to win this election and be president for 4 more years. i'm talking regular people, the kind of people we meet when we go out with our families, at the gas station. the people that go, i am a democrat, i want to beat donald trump, but i don't think he is the guy because he is too old. what do you say to them this morning? >> you are focusing on exactly what we are focused on, the voters. i am not here to say this is a leak, a media error. you have to understand exactly what we are seeing, what we have talked about. we know we slipped on this at the debate and we know the president has to prove to the american people exactly what he believes, that he is in this to win this, not only that we have a campaign to do it, but he can do it. he's the only person that has

done it before. the way we do that is by showing the presidents out there doing the work, fighting for these voters. i go back to detroit, because i think that is such a clear contrast. that was just a week ago. he was out there with a bigger crowd than we have had at any other point in the campaign, energized, excited. and as he has been having discussions, hearing the concerns that have been talked about on your show and others, he is also hearing from voters. what they are saying is, we have got you, joe. we are in this, stay with us. for every person concerned and have seen him and said, you are our guy, we want to be with you. in detroit, we did not organize some kind of rally, a chance for people to say, don't you quick quit, that was organic. the only signs, people showing up there, you've heard it, we've heard it. more and more people see donald trump. they dislike him and remember why he is such a threat to this country. the more and more people that see joe biden out there post debate they are reassured that he is in it to win it and he

can do that. of course, he's got covid now, he's got mild symptoms, but he will be back on the campaign show next week and he will continue to do that. this is a hard period for the campaign, but when the president has been out there talking to voters, being with voters, seen him lay out the contrast, shown he is doing a good job of leading this country and leading his candidate to me they see him and will win. >> it has been a very rough stretch since the debate over the past two or three weeks. it seems like five years now. it continues to go on and the president said time and time again, i am in this race, i am not getting out of this race. and leaks continue by the day, whether it is from president obama, or what he said to him, or whether it is from chuck schumer, just go down the list. democrats i talk to, whether they want him out of the race or want him in the race, they

all seem to be saying the same thing, democrats need to get their act together and they need to do it now. so, how does that happen? how does this open debate that is so bad for the democratic party , how does this come to an end? >> well, look. i think first of all, we are at the period of this campaign where donald trump is at the peak with his numbers. there is no new voter he is bringing to the table. that is important to remember. we are about to head into our convention. we are about to head into the delegates of this party who are there for joe biden. those delegates will nominate the president as the candidate moving forward and as our nominee and they are staying with the president. at the end of the day, we are not sitting back with our head in the sand, not recognizing this has been a cut tough

couple of weeks. of course it has. at the same time, my biggest message to you and our viewers, while this has been such a hard week, the people, the voters are still doing the work. the people like headley devol are traveling to milwaukee to make sure in all of this that their story isn't lost. for every bad story and weak that things they know about what happened with the president and some conversation he is not having, there is a person, a senator, a governor, a real person that is out there in milwaukee making the case that is in a battleground state holding an event, mayors from all across the country, labor that are standing with them, that have members in every single state. there is no doubt we need to move forward. there is no doubt we need to go back to focusing on taking on donald trump because there is too much at stake. there is no doubt that the people that are driven to taking care of this

country care as much as the president does. there are 1300 people staffed in this campaign and they are doing the job every single day to reach the voters and make sure that that choice is clear to them. and that work continues to happen. the president has the delegates. he has the support. he was elected in this process by 14 million voters in 2020, by 80 million, more than anyone before him. the broad coalition of anyone standing with the president is broader and wider than the people that don't want him to run. those are the people doing the work in the states that really matter. i am confident when we go back to take the case to donald trump, we have the time to do it and can bring home the people that have concerns, that are a little undecided today, because when they see those two head to head in the vision we have for this country, there's no doubt in my mind the people will be for joe biden. >> despite the flurry of the reporting over the last couple of days about what the

president may or may not be thinking, according to the "new york times", he has come to terms with the fact that he might have to get out of the race. it sounds like you are saying the exact opposite, he is not going anywhere. is there any chance the president gets out of the race at any point? >> you have heard from the president directly time again, he is in this race to win, he is our nominee and he will be our president to a second term. all right, chair of the biden-harris 2024 campaign, jen o'malley dillon, thank you for coming on the show. we appreciate it. good to see you. you are watching "morning joe weekend" we will be right back . back . yskinesia, or td. so her doctor prescribed austedo xr— a once-daily, extended-release td treatment for adults. ♪ as you go with austedo ♪ austedo xr significantly reduced kate's td movements. some people saw a response as early as 2 weeks. with austedo xr, kate can stay on her mental health meds— (kate) aww! hi buddy! (vo) austedo xr can cause depression, suicidal thoughts,

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certainly like abortion to be legal nationally. vance has since shifted his stance stating this week on fox news, you have to believe in reasonable exceptions, because that is where the american people are. the shift marks a stark contrast to his comments made less than three weeks-- years ago that quote, there's something comparable between abortion and slavery. joining us now, former democratic congressman from ohio that ran against vance for the senate in 2022, tim, good to see you again. what do you make of j.d. vance, not just as a running mate to former president trump, but since you ran against him, what is it americans need to know about him? >> there is a very high level of insincerity that comes from him. he is really willing and able to say whatever he needs to say to climb the political ladder. honestly obviously, he was

calling donald trump hitler a few years ago, and the things he said about abortion, saying and willing to do whatever he needs to now. he believes this stuff. he is not a pro freedom republican. this guy wants to take freedom away. not just on the abortion issue, he wants women who are in violent marriages to stay in those marriages. we look at freedom in ukraine, not for that. quite frankly, as they tried to move into this kind of working- class area, this is a venture capitalist who invested in companies to move jobs to china. trumpeted a tax-cut oracle the top 1%. it is laughable to think that they will somehow come into these great lakes states and played this working-class card. it will just not happen and trump's attack last night on

the uaw, the private sector union really growing, moving into the south, organizing workers to try to lift up their wages. i think the convention last night was a bust, not just bad speeches and droning on and on, and on, but actually positioning the republican party for defeat. i am more optimistic after this convention before it even started. >> tim, you went 10 rounds with jd, you almost beat him. if you had a bit more resources, money, there is a lot of people who think you would have won that contest. what did you do to put jd on the defensive? how did you campaign against him? do you have any tips for the potential democratic vice presidential debate? >> yeah, i mean we highlighted all of these extreme views. we highlighted them, we hammered them home. we were up three points going into labor day, because we spent the entire summer defining the extremism of j.d. vance and the m.a.g.a. movement, and mitch mcconnell came in with $30 million to

help him, and we did not get anything from washington, d.c. from the senate majority pack. that is when they were able to take the lead and win. we had him defined. i think we should run that exact same playbook against trump and vance. we highlight the extremism. i think in a presidential election, you have got to elevate this conversation. i think people are dying dying, mike, for an aspirational message coming from a leading politician. people want to talk about the future of the country and how bright it is going to be. talk about opportunity, freedom, getting the government out of a woman's bedroom, getting the government out of our lives and our personal lives . if we can capture that energy in the country, we will blow these guys out. i am telling you that we can beat these guys. no one wants to live in that dark kind of country that trump talked about last night. they are dying for aspiration

they are dying for a new message. they are dying to be challenged again, not just talked down to and telling how bad things are. we need to be inclusive on how we make the country better. that is the challenge for every generation. if we come in with a candidate that can challenge them, i'm telling you, we will blow these guys out. coming up, congresswoman joyce beatty of ohio will join us to talk about the current standing with african american voters. we will be right back. back. ece with the freestyle libre 3 system know your glucose and where it's heading no fingersticks needed. now the world's smallest and thinnest sensor sends your glucose levels directly to your smartphone. manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c. the #1 cgm prescribed in the u.s. try it for free at freestylelibre.us

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if i am honest with you the enthusiasm this time around is not the same as the last time you won. there is a certain disenchantment. detroit, philadelphia, atlanta will be deciding factors in that 270 you have got to get to. i would like you to take a moment and tell black america what you want them to know, why should they turn out for you? >> because you know where my heart is. you know where my head is. by the way, whether you knew this, if it is young blacks, young whites, young hispanics, they have never focused until after labor day. the idea they are focused on the election right now is not there. by the way, take a look at the presidents who have won at this stage in the game, the last seven or eight presidents, five

of them were losers at this time by significant margins. the point is, we are just getting out of game time now. >> president biden in an interview taped on tuesday with vet. joining us now is former chair of the congressional black caucus, congresswoman joyce beatty of ohio. she is a national advisory board member for the biden- harris campaign. and jonathan lemaire has the first question. jonathan? >> congresswoman, thanks for joining us this morning. let me pose the question to you, very similar to what the president just received. we note, at least at this point in the race, black voters have not been there with the same numbers or enthusiasm for joe biden as they were four years ago. what can be done, what concrete steps can be done to turn that around? >> first of all, let me just say, thank you. i think we are doing that right now.

we are telling not just black america, but we are telling all of america, the work that joe biden and kamala harris have done, you can pick a topic. you can talk about our economy, education and healthcare, they have been leading. for black americans, president biden kept his word on every promise he made. he told us we would have a black woman on the supreme court. he told us that he would stand up for education and he put the most money into hbcus than any other president. we can talk about our children or our seniors, more than 50% of our children are now out of poverty and we are protecting our seniors. if you just look at what he did to cap insulin at $85 a month, or to cap out- of-pocket expenses for medical supplies, prescriptions to $2000 . he meets with the congressional black caucus. we have done more when you talk about criminal justice in keeping our communities safe

with this president. i think we have to tell our stories. and you have to look at it, it is still early in some ways. voters start really coming out in september and october. we know how many black voters go to the polls on election day. so we are still all in. i can tell you as a member and chair of the congressional black caucus, i am all the way with joe biden. >> congresswoman beatty, i don't think as any rational observer who would quiver or quarrel with anything you just said about the successes of the biden administration, or the successes of the president personally, on a personal basis. people do like him. >> yes. >> but, the constant drumbeat the last two weeks has been focused on his age, his ability to speak, his ability to converse in a manner of speaking that you would hear him, his voice, all things like that, all negatives. what has that

done to his candidacy? >> i think it has made it difficult. certainly, we've all watched the 90 minute debate. let me also say, we've also watched the uptake after the 90 minute debate. we knew his age when he got into this. like he has said, yes, i might be walking a little slower, i might mix up words, and he mixed up names far before this time. i think that is an in accurate judgment of people saying, he can't continue to serve. we watched him at nato, or the things most important to him on that, he did an outstanding job, but that is his decision. it is those insiders making their comments, certainly they have their right, just as many of us have our rights to say what we want to say, but i can tell you, we can go back and look at history, whether it is based on polling, whether it is based on those who were this close before and won or lost, joe biden is a fighter. we have

seen him come through much worse than this. so, i am standing with joe until he tells me otherwise. >> all right! former chair of the congressional black caucus, democratic congresswoman and national board member for the biden-harris campaign, joyce beatty of ohio. thank you for coming on this morning. next, a hit film from the 90s gets a new spin, or several . we will be joined by the all- star cast of the summer's like buster, "twisters. " " e enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a game changer for my patients. it really works.

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that's tyler owens. he calls himself the tornado wrangler. >> if you feel it! [ crowd chanting ] >> all right, here we go.

she's perfect!>> she's gorgeous. >> you thought you could destroy a tornado? >> we never had a chance. >> do you want one? if you don't face your fears, you ride them. >> wow. >> that was a look at a new highly anticipated summer blockbuster, "twisters." the movie offers a fresh take on the 1996 hit, "twister," but with a new generation of storm chasers in the infamous tornado alley, who are working to increase their understanding about tornadoes as they risk their lives to save others. joining us now, the movie's costars, glenn powell, daisy

anthony jones, anthony ramose, along with academy award- winning director lee isaac chung. it feels like our politics right now. >> not just one twister, all over the place. so, glen, i understand that you were a massive fan of the 96 original. and as a kid, your cousins would watch it over, and over again. i am wondering, first of all, how did that impact your decision to do the film, and secondly, how did it shape the character and how did it approach the whole project? >> i think "twister" for the original was such an iconic movie. growing up in texas, tornado alley, obviously tornadoes are a monster in your backyard. you did tornado drills at school. my cousins and i i think we watched that vhs until it broke and it became the first dvd ever. it was really for me, it

represented the ultimate summer blockbuster, one of those movies i always wanted to make. thank god, careerwise, i am getting to occupied world like "twister" i've always wanted to occupied. it is really cool. >> daisy, so, glen says, you get a future as a meteorologist, because you were the most well studied when it comes to weather, and you even went to weather boot camp. tell us about that and again how it helps you understand what you were doing. >> i am from london. i play someone from oklahoma who grew up chasing storms. i was like, i really need to do my research. we were so lucky, because we filmed in oklahoma. we got a lot of meteorologists who went to the national weather center and i was like, right, i'm going to be top of the class. i did a lot of research. i am not sure. i think i should stick to my

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let's take a look at the clip from the film where all three of your characters are together as you chase down a twister as it forms. >> what do you see? >> it already has a nice

structure, the moisture levels are just right. >> what else are you seeing? >> the flow is clean, pulling tons of warm, moist air from the south. >> when that warm air burst through the cap, it explains explode to the atmosphere and the vertical windshield upticks the rotation, forms a cyclone. we don't know how a tornado forms. we see the hook on the radar. >> what are all of the invisible factors coming together? every little detail. >> it has to be perfect. a mix of what we know and everything we can't understand. part science, part religion. >> come on, baby. >> please, please, please. come on. there it is, yeah, baby! here we go! [ laughter ] that is a tornado right there, baby. >> i'm just going to put it out

there, seems like a really bad idea. anthony, you filmed this in the summer. it's oklahoma, tornadoes. did you see any? what was that experience like? >> i did not see any tornadoes, isaac did. i didn't. we had some scares. the first night i had dinner with isaac, i was in oklahoma. i had just flown in and we were having dinner and all of a sudden, the windows were kind of rattling in the hotel and the doors are kind of doing one of these, opening and closing. i look at the waiter like, are we good? are we safe? and the waiter was like, we are used to this. okay, cool, i will have sparkling water. >> so isaac, you have a personal connection growing up around tornadoes. tell us about that, but also what drew you to this product, very different than other films .

>> i grew up in arkansas. i grew up around tornado alley. when the first "twister" came out, it just felt like a film that was made for all of us back home. i did not even know until i got to college how big "twister" was. i just felt like it was a special film for us, my family, my friends. this film was really a chance for me to go back home and make another film , and also to make an action movie. i had been dreaming and dying to have the chance to do that. not many people get that chance and to be able to have that chance was something i could not say no to. >> man, that is so cool. so, glen, i've got to ask you, "top gun," "twisters," what's next, dude? a remake of "armageddon?" >> i am a huge fan of "armageddon," man. don't tempt me. again, that is the really amazing privilege about "twisters." i think

again, careerwise, where we all are, to reoccupy those boots, that truck, a bunch of cowboy scientists chasing the wind there is no better way to go to work. that is the dream of hollywood, when you get to do it right. you get to return to being a kid. >> and daisy love seeing this, love seeing a big movie like this. last summer, we of course had "oppenheimer," and "barbie." is it weird to get people back into theaters? >> this is the one. it feels like a film to be shared, to be enjoyed on the big screen. i think as close to chasing as you can get without getting rained on. >> tell us a little about the way this movie tried to pay homage to the original. >> we had these little nuggets from the original, like the

"dorothy," in the beginning and daisy's character is like-- we are all chasing in college, trying to get dorothy to work and we had james paxton in the movie, bill's son, which was cool. he did a cameo. and we shot in oklahoma. we had all of these kind of homogenous to the first film. sadly, i do miss the cow. you know, i do. i think that isaac did an amazing job of taking inspiration from the original film and taking it to another level. >> and isaac, briefly, how did that happen? you sort of not to the original, but make it your own. >> we all loved the original. it seemed like everybody was trying to bring stuff into this one, including the cow, a constant thing people were trying to put in this movie. we were trying to show love to

this one. ultimately, this cast, these are incredibly new actors who are up-and-coming, doing incredible things. the story is new, the science experiment is new. also, what i like to do with these tornadoes, it is the most complex tornadoes we have ever seen in cinema. to be able to do that and make this film completely new to today was exciting. >> watching it is going to be like riding a scary roller coaster. " twisters" will be in theaters nationwide starting tomorrow. costars netanyahu for powell, daisy anthony jones, anthony ramose, and director lee isaac chung, thank you all very much for coming onto the show this morning. that is all the time we have for today, we are back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern oracle more "morning joe weekend." until then, enjoy the rest of your saturday. saturday. ♪♪