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evening. tonight, president biden is reportedly fuming over the deluge of democrats calling on him to exit the race. is he any closer to passing the torch? also tonight, promises made, promises kept. trump says he wants unity, so why didn't his rnc deliver any of it. strike while the country is fixated on presidential politics it's been one of the deadliest weeks in gaza despite claims by israel that the war is winding down. this week was supposed to be a bounce back week for joe biden's presidential campaign. that is not how things are playing out.

now sick with covid at his delaware beach house, the president is seeing more and more democratic lawmakers calling for him to exit the race. at this hour, there are 36 democrats defecting, including senators and tough re-election races such as in ohio and montana. prior to his covid diagnosis, president biden tried to turn the tide with more tv interviews , but they have actually only raised more concerns and questions. >> how could he not get it because i named the sector of defense a black man. i named her tonya brown i mean because of people's name to but my generic point is that it is -- >> and, while biden and his campaign are still adamant that he is staying in, there are signals that the almighty may be getting closer to telling biden to change his mind. recent news reports the biden family, while still in favor of him staying in the race, have started the discussion of what a possible exit might look like.

sources say the bidens would want a possible exit but the party in the best position to beat >> while also being worthy of bidens more than five decades in elected office and service to this country. according to the north times, he has been fuming in delaware this week resentful about what he sees as an orchestrated campaign by the likes of nancy pelosi and his onetime running mate barack obama to force them from the ticket. the times also reports that if biden were to step aside, advisers believe you would not want to do it before benjamin netanyahu visits washington on wednesday, unwilling to give his israeli counterpart the satisfaction given their strained relations lately over the gaza war. meanwhile, this question of a biden succession plan is the subject of huge debate among democrats. politico is reporting that nancy pelosi stressed the need for an open convention process.

this, as allies of kamala harris have begun quietly mapping out what her presidential campaign apparatus would look like and what her path to victory could be if she were to end up the democratic nominee. as we near what appears to be a breaking point, nancy pelosi is headlining the north carolina democratic party unity dinner in raleigh, north carolina tonight. this is where we start things off with marissa par. it's great to have you on the show. you are in north carolina. talk to us about what we are expecting to hear from the former speaker and the sentiment among the people you've been talking to their about this debate taking place in the democratic party. >> as you can see in the empty church behind me, this dinner has not yet started but undoubtedly, a lot of pfizer going to be on nancy pelosi and she knows that given everything you just mentioned. this is high-stakes. it's called a unity dinner but there is a lot of fracture within the democratic party right now in terms of the next steps and moving forward. that has been the lawmakers

closer to pelosi that have come out who have called for biden to step aside, but pelosi herself has been really careful with what she's been saying publicly so it will be interesting to see how she addresses the elephant or in this case the donkey in the room tonight but it is not just her that we are expecting to hear from. this is a really important state for democrats. they have invested a lot of money. a lot is being raised tonight to go toward these important down ballot races. we have different north carolina lawmakers coming out tonight. of course the current governor of north carolina, governor roy cooper as well as attorney general josh stein and there is a very competitive gubernatorial race here going on in north carolina. josh stein is running against republican lieutenant governor mark robinson and robinson is someone that is both a trump supporter. trump himself has come out in support of him and so this is something that of course

democrats want to hold onto. we have seen seven out of eight gubernatorial races since 1992 won by democrats. that is something they're trying hard to hold onto a not just that race but this is a swing state. this is an important state. when it comes to what we are hearing on the ground we've spoken to people, done some interviews earlier today and so what we are hearing is a combination of people who are frustrated. they want to see who's going to be on the democratic ticket. they want to know who they're going to be voting for. there are concerns about the fact that there is even a question about that but we've also spoken to other people who say i don't care who it is. we know who we are not voting for, people telling us they will vote for anyone the democratic party decides will be our nominee. >> all right, marissa. we are on the air for the next two hours if and when the former speaker takes the stage and makes it a news, please come back and let us know. thank you so much. with me now, hayes brown, writer and editor for msnbc

daily and host of the dean of the dollar show and michelle goldberg, msnbc political analyst. great to have all three of you with us. what do you make of where we are right now? reporting suggests that the president is fuming at what is playing out with democrats. you have nancy pelosi widely reported to be behind the scenes basically allowing more members of the caucus to come forward and put their names out in public, increase the pressure, increase the number and of we've been hearing, the members of the party getting frustrated that the situation is not been resolved because they'll want to focus on defeating trump regardless of who the nominee is. >> yes, the fact that this is still going on now is wild. we talked about how house speaker emeritus policy is in north carolina right now orchestrating this campaign behind the scenes.

i don't know about all that but it is interesting that policy has not called on him to drop out directly she is hinted at it. she was asked on i believe it was morning joe. she was asked what should happen and she said biden needs to make a decision after he had already said he is staying and i think that is what is so frustrating here is that biden has repeatedly given an answer but the status quo will not hold. the answer is i'm staying in. >> he has said it. his campaign has said it's i'm surprised there are people still coming out and saying he needs to make the decision. >> exactly and last week he tried to allow his second term [ inaudible ] but after that trump was shot at in pennsylvania. they wanted to come back time and got covid so it really has not been going his way the last couple of weeks. >> you speak to a lot of listeners for your show calling

in. what are you hearing? >> 95% of callers to my show not just supporters of president biden, they're angry at the democratic leadership. they want president obama not to come out and say i stand with joe biden. you have other democratic people in the base upset with the corporate media. there also met at the corporate media for focusing on this for three weeks. the bottom line is we are 108 days from not just an election, but to judgment day in this race, for months i kept saying this should not be trump versus biden. it's trump versus abortion, trump versus freedom, trump versus democracy. now is the worst thing ever. it's biden versus biden for three weeks to. if this continues we will lose the senate, the white house, we will get a bigger margin of the house so they will turn project

2025 into the blueprint into the laws that control our lives. >> give me a sense of what you're seeing play out, michelle. we gotten to the point where we are talking about who will succeed biden and how that process might go. there is obviously a lot of opinion and a lot of debate about it and i will just play this for our viewers. this is, woman alexandra ocasio- cortez who went on instagram last night and said this. >> if you think that there is consensus among the people who want joe biden to leave, that they will support vice president harris, you would be mistaken. i am in these rooms. i see what they say in conversations. they are interested in removing the whole ticket.

>> so, we now have clearly two conversations happening simultaneously and i think the growing concern now among younger members of congress, perhaps even diverse members of congress is that the attempt to get rid of biden's also code for getting rid of kamala harris and trying to bring somebody in and that is what is really getting a lot of people nervous and upset. >> let me say two things. first of all, i believe 100% about dean's audience but i don't think his audience is representative of the democratic party. certainly i get emails from biden diehards. i also get emails from people begging me to use whatever platform i have defined us anew -- you know, to urge people to find a new nominee. there was a poll recently that 65% of democrats want a new nominee. what you are hearing from congress is that the majority of democrats in both the house of the senate want a new nominee and obviously all of the leaders of the party seem to want a new nominee even if they are not saying so publicly. i know that aoc and bernie have been an exception in that they

are very strongly for biden stain in the race but when i talk to people close to them and including another young progressive who is very supportive of biden what they will say is that we can't get people excited about biden. we can get people excited about a progressive agenda. we can get people excited about 5% rent caps or wiping out medical debt, and they also say that electability has historically been a cudgel that has been used against progressives. i just think they're wrong. i don't think they are wrong about the policy agenda but i think they are wrong about the state of the race and whether or not it matters that you have a candidate who can actually articulate that policy agenda because let's remember when biden went to the naacp and talked about -- he cannot even get out that he was calling for a 5% rent cap. he said he was calling for a $55 rent caps and so i just think that i am with the

majority of the party who thinks that the situation is untenable. >> it is certainly untenable. we got a glimpse of that yesterday when vice president harris was on a phone call with about 300 of the democratic party's major donors, and be seen as getting some reporting tonight that his democratic daughter who was on the call described it as quote, a total failure and damaging to the party. the source says that donors were admonished to lock in and get behind how tough of a position as the vice president because the administration or the campaign on one hand has to rely on her more publicly. she is delivering some of the best points and counterpoints about project 2025. she is giving the best counter arguments against the rnc speech that trump gave so she is an important player in this and many people want to get her on that ticket to get the energy in the base going. her events are selling out. the audiences are getting

bigger and the media around her getting bigger and that the meantime she's in this position where she has to still say it's joe biden. we need you guys to fall in line. >> right. otherwise she looks like a lady macbeth. she looks like someone who is come up in a stabbing joe biden in the back at his time of need and that's exactly what she's trying to avoid right now by sticking with joe biden, going out there, making the case as the biden-harris administration which by the way, the fact that they've had that branding this whole time really speaks to how much they have relied on her, as well, throughout the administration and i think it's interesting that this concept that they don't want there to be a coronation should biden decide not to run -- that's been her job for the last four years.

>> she was on the primary ballot. she got 14 million votes of the primary process. this is not a coronation by any means. this is what the american people who participated in the primary process chose. they were like it's biden and harris, not biden or harris. >> the 11th or 12th amendment, they voted for her to be vice president. they did not vote for her to be put on the top of the ticket so i understand it's a very tough position to be in right now and she seems to be handling it well. i'm glad that they are looking for options for what it would look like if she were to have a running mate of her own but she's going to be stuck there for a while, it looks like. >> let me get your thoughts, michelle, and that part of the process which is this kind of debate that kamala harris becoming the ticket would appear to be a coronation and not allow for other people to compete or perhaps throw their hat in the ring, which is what some might want. >> it is what some might want but at this point i think other people are very unlikely to throw their hat in the ring. there is not necessarily a contradiction between saying that the natural successor is harris and you want an open

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oo this is a good book title. one week after the assassination attempt on former president trump, he and jd vance made their campaign appearance in grand rapids, michigan. as writer real bunch -- will bunch notes these four days felt like a total surrender of the republican party to the cult of donald trump. every person from every faction of the republican party bending the knee to kiss trump's ring is not new but what we saw this week in the wake of the horrible assassination attempt of pennsylvania was the belief that somehow trump truly is the chosen one. watch. >> two days ago, evil came for the man we admire and love so much. i thank god that his hand was on

president trump. >> let me start by giving thanks to god almighty for protecting president trump. >> this saturday the devil came to pennsylvania holding a rifle, but an american lion got back up on his feet and he roared. >> god almighty intervened because america is one nation under god and he is certainly not finished with trump. >> by the grace of god, divine intervention, and your guardian angels above, you survived. >> i don't believe an residences but i do believe in god's plan. >> there was blood pouring everywhere and yet in a certain way, i felt very safe because i had got on my side.

>> this is not about spiritual beliefs but why even have an election in november if the decision has already been issued from higher up? this believe that the maga movement and its leaders are not touched by god only makes their plans for the country seem even more jarring. thank god hayes, dean and michelle are still with me. your reaction to that part of the rnc, this believe that god intervened and because god intervened, donald trump is the chosen one. >> i think they are repeating what their base believes. we hear that organically that the base truly believes donald trump is been anointed by god to lead this nation. that's belonged -- it is beyond sycophant. the idea of putting patches on the air like their donald trump. if he went to jail they would put on an orange prison suit, as well.

this is a moment in history in the future we will look back like we look at certain places in europe in the 1930s and go this was not a political party. this was a movement that was authoritarian and fascist at its core. they just nominated a man not only convicted of 34 felonies, he attempted a coup. he attempted a terrorist attack and is out there defending the terrorists that rally after rally calling them warriors now. that is the party. to me it's the most dangerous thing we've seen happen to our nation in the modern era. >> michelle, give me your take of what you saw happen in the rnc when it comes to this issue of cultish behavior around donald trump. over the last four days you had donald trump sitting there in his box. every night the rotating cast of members and fans sitting in the box with him. you had people like ron desantis, k haley coming out there, kissing the ring, pledging fealty to him. you had this kind of prayer around who and how he was saved and taking it to a different level.

>> right. i think it has been true for some time that there is no republican party outside of donald trump and we talked about who was there to kiss the ring. it is also notable who was not there, the previous republican presidents, previous republican presidential nominees. >> even his own vice president. >> most of the members of donald trump's cabinet. many of whom have talked about him being a dangerous authoritarian. now does the donald trump show. for the most part it was quite well produced to give an impression of if not moderation, then to look like something other than a donald trump rally but donald trump was not quite able to sustain that so you saw that. there was so much really

ridiculous rhetoric. donald trump is a changed man and trump has in his serenity. i mean honestly, i find it breathtaking that anybody who has been alive for the last eight years with think that there is such a thing as a new donald trump but we saw 20 minutes after he gets up to speak, you just saw all that fallaway and donald trump is completely unchanged except for more than slightly emboldened. >> you bring up an interesting point about the issue of his changing his tone and a kinder and gentler and softer donald trump, listen to this. >> and then we had that horrible result that we will never let it happen again. the election result. we're never going to let that happen again. they used covid to cheat. never going to let it happen again. >> what that means to me, hayes, as he is standing there for the first time openly in

this election cycle saying he will not accept the results of the 2024 election unless he wins. there is no mixing words about that. that is him denying that this election, unless he wins, is not going to be free and fair. >> absolutely and his advisers know that is not what the message should be right now. the clip you just showed was not in his prepared remarks. that was him being trump, going off script, talking about how he really feels as opposed to the messaging they were trying to put out there. i want everyone to come together. i offer a hand of friendship no matter who you are. when given the first opportunity, he veered back to who he really is and i think this aura of inevitability that has been built up around him without the debate went, with how he survived the assassination attempt >> with aileen cannon throwing

out the case against him, with the case in georgia being disrupted. >> exactly. they feel like it's not just that he's going to win, but that he cannot lose and that is the dangerous thing because if something does change between now and november, and things shift and the polls are still close even with the democrats in disarray, the polls are so close in swing states, so if things don't go the republicans' way in november as they did not go the way in 2022, they're building up an infrastructure to deny the results. >> and while there is all this talk in this kind of invoking god and the inevitability of donald trump and the unity talk placards, mass deportations now, literally one of the most inhumane things you can call for, put aside whether it's realistic or not, the idea of rounding up millions of people who live in this country, putting them in stadiums or prisons to ultimately deport them it's just not going to happen but the reality is that is what those crowds were cheering for.

that is not a message of unity and reconciliation. >> authoritarian movements need an enemy and they need to rally people around that enemy. you heard jd vance literally say because of migrants coming to this country you can't afford a house. he's blaming migrants for every wrong in your life. they had nothing to do with inflation. we're going to do mass deportation, inflation's going to come down. it is a very dangerous movement we are dealing with. trump's promise to part in the january 6 attackers is not just for the past. it's to incentive 5 feet -- future conflict. that is what is so dangerous about this. >> now you have the supreme court saying if he's doing it as an official act he gets the community to do that. imagine that. next up, the stunning dismissal of trumps classified document case. we are going to break that down. we are going to break that down. it doesn't matter if it's your outdoor style or not. [ music stops ] i'm sorry, carl. this is me in chair form.

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is appealing the decision to dismiss trumps classified documents case. judge aileen cannon dismissed the case this week arguing that tesla's prosecutorial power has not been authorized by law. in other words, the way smith was appointed, the way most special councils are appointed in her eyes violates the constitution. where did judge cannon get that idea to use this widely debunked legal theory? well, many legal experts are pointing out that supreme court justice clarence thomas used this same argument just two weeks prior in his opinion on the trump immunity case. in his opinion he goes so far as to specifically invite the lower courts to question the special councils appointments and this is not a far-fetched theory. judge cannon directly cites thomas' opinion in her

dismissal. to me this case directly symbolizes the difference between how republicans and democrats operate. judge mershon here in new york delay trumps sentencing based on the immunity decision and saying if that impacts the way he should be sentenced or raised any doubts about the trial itself. he gave him a very good faith delay, if you will. judge aileen cannon on the other hand, saw the decision from thomas, saw the language in that opinion and immediately used it and cited in her excuse to dismiss this case and it just goes to show you how we have two different systems operating right now in terms of how we view the law. >> it is fascinating that cannon went this direction when honestly like you said in the intro, this is how -- smith was appointed the way most special councils have been since the special counsel regulations were drawn up by democrats and republicans agree to it over these years.

republicans have used special councils. democrats have now. it's wild that she would take a swing at this from the direction of thomas under the appointments clause of the constitution same because smith isn't confirmed because he is a superior officer under the constitution that was the argument that she made when honestly the way the special counsel regulations are written, you have to be outside the government to be named special counsel so i think it is fascinating to me that she would go this route when it goes against what was seen in practice for so long that this, the first opportunity to go against it when it benefits donald trump is when she decides to take a swing. >> michelle, the silver lining in this is that it is not about the merits of the case, not whether trump actually violated the law by removing these documents and showing them to people in mar-a-lago. it is about how the government is prosecuting this case, but at the end, the net result is the same. this case now is not going to

happen. it was not going to happen before but it's definitely not happening now before the election and if trump once we know this case and others are going to go out meaning he may very well end up doing this again, taking classified documents and showing them to people. your reaction on this decision? >> i actually saw a different silver lining, which is my understanding from legal experts is that cannon's ruling was so egregious an outside president that not only might it be reversed, but there is the potential that this case could be taken away from her and assigned to a judge with a modicum of integrity, but to me this is a portentous of what four more years of trump would look like, not only carte blanche from the supreme court which is that he can enjoy total immunity but increasingly fanatical judges seated at all levels of the process to back him up and to ensure that there are essentially two systems of

justice in this country. one for trump and his allies and one for everyone else. >> i agree with you that is another silver lining but i'm also old enough to remember all the legal experts who were telling us the immunity decision is absurd, it would never happen, there's no way the supreme court would uphold it in for six months there saying they're just delaying it because they know they're ultimately going to render immunity is not being a possible scenario in which donald trump would be granted that and yet, here we are. i think we can also safely say that we were wrong on that one. but hayes, you wrote that in dismissing the classified documents case, cannon found the worst way possible to clear the lengthy backlogs of motions she had yet to rule on. you also suggest cannon is in way over her head. break that down for us because this is not the first egregious mistake she's made in this trial and when you take all of these together and take them to an appeals court, there is a solid argument to be made that for whatever reason, she is either

incompetent or somehow co-opted by the fact that trump appointed her. >> cannon has not been very long on the federal bench. she does not have real criminal trial experience one of the most baffling things people watching the case of scene is the way that trump and his co- defendants make motions that make no sense for a more experienced judge might say no, absolutely not, denied, she has held a hearing after hearing, filling up her calendar, filling up a backlog of decisions that needed to be made before the trial could move forward. that is why the trial did not have an official start date before it was thrown out this week. it was a pile of delays on top of each other but the minute she got a concurring opinion from thomas that gave her some kind of out, trump and his co- defendants did file specifically citing that opinion

and their motion to dismiss. they said even clarence thomas that this is ridiculous. >> as, she didn't have hearings on that, she rendered a decision. >> she did have a hearing on that. i missed it, too, at first. she had them come in and make their case but rather than saying no, this makes no sense, she has given herself another opportunity to be smacked down by annas beals -- an appeals court, like she was before trump was even charged. next up, benjamin netanyahu's shocking remarks about hostages in gaza during one of the deadliest weeks since the war began. dliest wees since the war began. the "help protect your privacy" store. and the "give your business a real street address" store. so while you're juggling everything else like the boss you are, we're the "extra pair of hands" store. you can count on us as the "shredding and mailboxing, anything and everything to keep you going" store.

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violence at a trump rally last week, different acts of violence not funded by america in gaza are being ignored. last week was one of the deadliest of the entire war. a warning to our viewers that some of the footage were about to see is disturbing. on thursday, in the middle of the night, an israeli military plane struck a home or a family of civilians were sheltering, killing eight displaced people including four people. earlier, nbc news crew captured this footage of what remains of a family whose home was struck by israeli warplanes. the house was destroyed in three members of the family were killed. two children, a seven-year-old and a five-year-old, and their grandmother. on tuesday israel's military bombed yet another united nations-run school as well as an israeli-designated safe zone in the gaza strip killing at least 42 palestinians and wounding dozens of others, according to palestinian officials. it was the sixth israeli bombing of the u.n. school in gaza in just the past 10 days alone. as footage of the deaths amount,

as her claims they're targeting hamas fighters hiding among civilians after offensives uprooted underground tunnels and networks. the washington post reports that after this week's spike and deadly civilian strikes, some likely carried out with american-made weapons, israel is saying the most intensive phase of its war may be nearing the end but there is a reason to be skeptical, and multiple stories in the israeli press show why. last week, a detailed report was released how netanyahu had systematically foiled talks to release hostages from captivity. it states that quote, while hamas impeded the talks, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu repeatedly torpedoed their products, particularly when it came to decisive moments. according to the report, he believes that in the hostage deal will most likely lead to his government's collapse and to make matters worse, netanyahu came under fire from

the families of israeli hostages just this week after the appearing to dismiss the urgency of a hostage release deal saying quote, the hostages are suffering but they are not dying. meanwhile, we are learning the death toll, now more than 38,000 palestinians, could in fact be significantly higher. last week a team of scientists studying casualties in warfare published an article in the medical journal, the last, arguing that were just not just kill people through direct violence, arguing that unsanitary conditions, the death toll could rise 286,000 or higher. after the break i will be joined by a doctor and award-winning journalist. ♪ [smoke alarm] recipes written by hand and lost to time...

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strike before the break i described one of the bloodiest week of israel hamas war. joining us now is a doctor of palestinian descent that is just returned from a medical mission in gaza. also, a journalist who has been reporting on this closely and has just launched drop site news. we welcome you both to the program. dr., you've just returned from a second medical mission in gaza. we had you on the show when you came back from your first one. tell us what you saw that was

different or even worse than what you saw the first time. >> thanks for having me. when i left in march i did not imagine that things could get any worse and as i entered in june, i was in complete shock at the systematic annihilation of the infrastructure, residential buildings completely torn down to the ground, hospitals scrambling to find whatever medications and supplies they could get their hands on to be able to save lives and save limbs, and the escalation of military operations at so-called safe zones, the conflicted zones, which are field hospitals operating in are on the rise. the past week was very difficult as missile strikes were close as 100 m to orfield hospital, showering our facility with shrapnel and overwhelming not only are field

hospital, but the remaining two hospitals with civilian deaths and people coming in maimed to burnt, and not being able to save lives and having to decide who gets whatever limited resources we have access to and who doesn't. it's extremely difficult and mind-boggling that it's been allowed to continue for this long. it was very troubling for me to exit it. i felt like i was transported to a different planet surrounded by dopamine zombies to of lost agency for holding leadership accountable and preserving humanity. us humanitarians, it is increasingly difficult for us to be able to do our jobs and my fellow medical colleagues have been targeted. many have been abducted.

i had the opportunity to spend time with some of the doctors who were just released from the prisons where they were tortured , beaten, and the psychologically intimidated and again, it is very difficult and i want to hold onto some sort of ray of hope, but it is unclear when the server will end. >> all right, jeremy, there are reports out of israel this week that israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is scheduled to address congress this week and has blocked plans for a field hospital to be built in israel to treat sick and injured children that desperately need it from outside of gaza. if we step back for a moment and look at the big picture here, you look at things like [ inaudible ] and that that was widely considered as a provocation in the middle of all of this what does this tell us about the mind-set for the

people of gaza? >> the fact is that the biden administration and its policy toward israel shows the actual face of the united states government, the entirety of the u.s. national security and political bureaucracy has spent the past 9+ months funding, arming and facilitating a genocide. people talk about it would be much worse over -- under donald trump but the fact is we now see what the policy of the american government is not just toward israel but toward the palestinian people. these 40,000 people have been killed. many are children who have been burned alive with american weapons, had their limbs blown off by american weapons and we

need to stop framing this as oh, we need to put pressure on joe biden and the biden administration needs to try to resurrect some of those lost votes. we need to understand that a statement that has been made by the biden administration is that this is what american policy looks like, and the fact is that benjamin netanyahu has played joe biden repeatedly on a political level but we should not let that be an excuse for the fact that the united states government has given israel the political, military, economic and diplomatic support that has underwritten one of the most shocking genocides the world has seen in modern times. >> i know you've also published a series of conversations with most senior hamas and palestinian officials. tell us about those interviews. what, if anything, did you learn from them about their positions throughout this war and how, if it might come to an end. >> hamas and palestinian islam jihad do not exist in a vacuum. the reason you have armed resistance factions in gaza the raymond -- recently see deadly

attacks not only on the israeli military but on israeli civilians is because the leaders of these groups are from gaza, their descendents of people who survived and they believe there has been an attempt to shut down all forms of resistance on the part of the palestinians and you've covered gaza on the ground. you are well aware that in 2018 and 2019, tens of thousands of palestinians of gaza took part in a massive nonviolent series of demonstrations called the brave march of return of the israeli military responded to those by holding competitions with their snipers to see how many kneecaps they could shoot out of unarmed, nonviolent palestinians so while the tactics of hamas should be scrutinized, as they have been by international bodies, we cannot discuss these issues in a political vacuum in one of the things i reported was that hamas and the other factions negotiating with mediators now for a cease-fire have put forward what is a significant

concession, which is that they say they would be willing to take permanent cease-fire off the table and going to phase negotiations. this is a major development if hamas holds to that and netanyahu has undermined and sabotaged it and the united states is letting him. >> let me get your thoughts on the report we saw this week that the poliovirus has been detected in sewage samples in gaza. what are the ramifications of this poliovirus being detected there, and what might that mean for people in gaza? >> yes, polio in addition to many other infectious diseases that have not been seen in gaza are on the rise. hepatitis a is endemic now. everybody essentially now has hepatitis a. polio in and of itself is not curable and leaves individuals infected with paralysis, and can be life- threatening and fatal to many immunocompromised individuals. essentially, everybody there is now immunocompromised with poor nutrition and poor health.

people are drinking extremely dirty water mixed with sewage, and it is just a matter of time where polio will be seen on a daily basis in our hospitals. >> of course as jeremy was saying, this is all happening with the approval and acquiescence of the american government. thank you to the both of you for shedding a light on this this evening. this evening. and you realize you're in love... steve? with a laundry detergent. (♪♪) gain flings. seriously good scent. announcer what if you could whiten your teeth by simply brushing your teeth? now you can with smileactives, the teeth whitening breakthrough that safely gets your teeth white and keeps them white every day just by brushing your teeth. christine i never thought that whitening my teeth could be so easy. i just put the gel on the brush, the toothpaste on it, brush and i can see my white teeth. announcer simply add smileactives

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