will the real jd vance please stand up? what we are being sold about the author turned senator who is now running with trump. plus, it does not take trump running to implement project 2025. in some states, portions of the authoritarian playbook are already out for a test drive. top republicans trying to make the rnc inclusive if only the top base had an appetite for that. when donald trump won the 2016 election, many democrats and media figures are trying to understand how he was able to connect with white, rural voters and they found jd vance, whose memoir, "hillbilly elegy

," chronicling his hillbilly upbringing as the source. he became a translator of sorts explaining the plight of rural voters to blue america. >> their communities have been struggling in a lot of different ways for 20 or 30 years and nobody has really cared and trump is the first person to at least see these communities even if you think, as i do, that he does not have all the solutions. >> has became a media darling his book received raises reviews and was later adopted into a future film by ron howard. but, even in 2016, some caught a cynical undertone to vance's narrative. as the new republic put it., his

take away from life and america's underclass is this. pull up those bootstraps. don't question elites. public policy can help, he wrote in his memoir, but there is no government that can fix these problems for us. it starts when we stop blaming obama or bush or faceless companies and ask ourselves what we can do to make things better. in vance's world, the working class has no one but themselves to blame for their troubles. vance soon got the attention of entrepreneur peter teal who befriended him, hired him at his firm and even paved the way for his political ascent and that relationship continued as vance transformed from a supposed moderate republican into a full-blown mega acolyte. teal gave $50 million to support vance's ohio senate campaign and despite once calling the maga king america's hitler, vance went on a years long apology tour and officially became donald trump's running mate this past week. he is not just an ally to trump. he is also an ally to the far right and the dystopian vision

of project 2025. more than that, kevin roberts, president of the heritage foundation an architect of project 2025 set of vance earlier this year quote, he is absolutely going to be one of the leaders of not the leader of our movement. on monday roberts price trumps decision to choose vance referring to him as a quote, man who personifies hope for our nation's future in vance received a whopping 93% score from the heritage action for america, the foundation's political arm based on how much his beliefs lineup with their organization and that includes radically right-wing views on abortion. in 2021 he implied abortion should not be allowed even in cases of or incest. if you walk back those comments before publicly stating that he backs a federal abortion ban the following year. ironically, vance's attacks on abortion would hurt the same people he talked about in his book. abortion bands are more likely to exist in states with a high number of women of childbearing age with incomes below 200% of

the federal poverty line. this week vance appealed again to his humble beginnings and forgotten americans. >> the people of middletown, ohio and all the forgotten communities in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania and ohio and every corner of our nation i promise you this. i will be a vice president who never forgets where he came from and every single day for the next four years when i walk into that white house to help president trump, i will be doing it for you, for your family, for your future. >> remember, according to his own memoir vance believes low income americans can lift themselves out of poverty without the government's help. something tells me he isn't losing any sleep over his empty words were as he put it, quote, these are the lives we tell ourselves to solve the cognitive dissonance, the broken connection between the world we see in the values we preach. we have an all stall -- i'll start panel. this is the only

professor at yale university. i'm going to start with something we just heard within the last hour. this is donald trump speaking in grand rapids, michigan, first campaign event with him in vance on that ticket since the assassination attempt. >> you have the radical right and the come up with this -- i don't know what it is. it's project 25. he's involved in project -- and then they read some of the things and they are extreme. they are seriously extreme but i don't know anything about it. i don't want to know anything about it but what they do is misinformation and disinformation and they keep saying he is a threat to democracy. i'm saying what the hell did i

do for democracy? last week i took a bullet for democracy. >> so, what is the calculation here trump is doing if there is a calculation because on one hand, it seems like he is trying to diminish project 2025, make it the bogeyman if you will for his base so when they start hearing it been implemented they are but not shocked by it but on the other hand you have to wonder why is he not operating in secret like he normally does on some of these things? >> part of what is happening is trying to give it to the general saying i don't know about project 2025 just because it's written by all my advisers and the guy that wrote the rnc platform at the rnc which is last week so part of it -- trump won because people did not know what he believed. he was famous. he could've been a lefty. he could've been a righty. he advertised as a racist but a lot of people thought well, he had been a democrat earlier so he had no voting record. he could be whatever you wanted. now we know what he is. we seen him. we seen the child separation. we seen it all, so he has to

try to hope that trump amnesia is working on some of the polls show that trump amnesia is a real thing. i personally think it's kind of insane and you know what is interesting and i think was interesting about the dementia is that in the end trump can only be trump so he can try. this is probably what susie wiles wants him to do. he has these very smart people running his campaign were trying to make him be disciplined trump and discipline trump is like look, it's just light fascism, not real fascism and i think that's what he's trying to do but i don't think it's going to work because trump can only be trump. >> to molly's point, there were a lot of things not mentioned in the rnc this week, most likely abortion, something jd vance has taken an extremist position on and surprisingly he deleted from his website after he was announced as trump's running mate, he deleted the section on his website called end abortion.

abortion not mentioned at all during these four days, it was mentioned 18 times in one night in the convention back in 2020. >> that's right. perhaps to your point, trump may be all over the place. jd vance may try to do that but we know who he is and i think that is the most troubling part. he is not just someone in the shadow of donald trump. he's not just someone is going to be like a mega spokesperson who wants to implement these policies because of the boast in the politics. i think he is someone that truly, fundamentally, innately believes in a lot of these backward policies. he is fixated on this idea of the nuclear family like looking a certain way, fixated on this idea of shaming women who don't have children yet, women that perhaps want to get divorces because they are in these toxic relationships and i think he is even bashing childcare because i think to me, the heart of jd vance is someone, this man that is so scared of change, the evolution of women and the

evolution of these power structures, these gender norms and that to me is very troubling because he really believes that unlike perhaps donald trump. >> there's this kind of split screen we are seeing here because on the one hand trump assigned he doesn't know anything about project 2025 but at the very same moment he picks jd vance, a guy who heritage action -- i forgot what it's called, the heritage action foundation is essentially to endorsing with a 93% score here and is calling in the future leader of the movement. he could've gone with nikki haley to bring those outside republicans there on the fence about him. he didn't do that. he went for the far right base in his party. >> that's right and i absolutely agree that if we look at the things we know jd vance believes, there are the cultural social things about abortion, about nihilism, great replacement theory on immigration. vance talks about immigration threatening the communities that he represents, but there are very few immigrants in these communities, and so we have to ask, what is the real

motivation there behind vilifying immigrants? it is not real economic there. it looks like it is racial, and keeping women producing babies here. on the economic issues, as you pointed out, there is a lot of inconsistency. the book concert -- could suggest it's a meritocracy. the poor whites are where they are because they are lazy and now he is saying okay, it's a structural issue. that is completely inconsistent. if it's a structural issue then it's not their fault and then the final inconsistency is you know, i arrived at yale just as he left a yale law school. he is loved at yale. here's an elite. no one has anything bad to say about jd vance at yale law school. he belongs with the senators like ted cruz went to princeton and harvard, tom cotton who

went to harvard and desantis, who went to yale and harvard. they rail against the elites but they are the elite of the elite. it is harvard for them and hillsdale college for everyone else. >> was going to stay, when you start rolling with peter till you are the elite at that point. there is an interesting part the things that came out of the rnc, trump officially saying he will not accept the election results of 2024. he says were not going to let them cheat. that is good for network -- code for we are not going to accept the results. jd vance said he would have supported trump's attempt to overturn our democracy. >> yes, i think he is picked because he embraces the explosive rhetoric of donald trump and we even know that

junior played a hand in this, too. peter steele, junior. i think he is a representative of tech billionaires, not that he is a billionaire but he is very close with that world. peter teal has taken him in the fold. >> pete buttigieg said that recently, saying he likes him because he does things for peter teal. he does things for rich guys that make them richer. >> i thought he had such a good point because he was talking about rich people really like this because it is pay for play. you want tax cuts, you want no taxon carried interest, no regulation on ai, you can have whatever you want in a donald trump administration and one of the things i think the biden administration has done that is really great as they have tried to break up monopolies and they have had regulation for tech and finance and that kind of regulation on capitalism helps the middle class and rich people hate it. >> let me ask you something really quick. you talk about

how creating panic and fear of the other is at the crux of fascism. that was on full display over the past four days, when you have signs that say mass deportations now when you're standing up, saying the drug problem in america is because of illegal immigrants taking jobs of black and hispanic americans, you are creating that division and you are creating that sense of fear of the other. >> yes, immigrants are both supposed to be lazy and criminal and taking your job. it is openly incoherent and it is a structure that happens everywhere in the world and unfortunately, it is the very core of fascism. i mean, in mein kampf, hitler talks about going to vienna and seeing more and more foreigners everywhere, the whole thing, the whole structure is about preserving the nation and great replacement theory is the very heart of it and then you represent immigrants as threats to your women, so it also links with the patriarchy so this is the classic thing you say oh,

our women and children are being threatened. our livelihoods, even though there is no good economic argument for that, and they're coming to destroy the character of the nation, and that basically -- it is universal. the structure that we see everywhere. we see these ultranationalist movements. >> a type of dangerous nativism at its core that is killing this. please stick around. next up we delve into project 2025 and how some states are actually already trying it out. actually already trying it out. everyone together. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer. fda-approved for 17 types of cancer, including certain early-stage cancers. one of those cancers is triple-negative breast cancer. keytruda may be used with chemotherapy medicines as treatment before surgery and then continued alone after surgery when you have early-stage breast cancer

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project 2025 is not just a perfect blueprint for a second trump turn. it is already being implemented in florida. a budget committee is courting controversy over language used in abortion proposal in florida. abortion activists are accusing the panel of a dirty trick by including on that ballot that it will negatively impact the state budget of past. a recent addition to that committee, rachel grassley, member of the heritage foundation and contributing author to project 2025. meanwhile in oklahoma, ryan walters, state superintendent of public instruction who mandated all public schools teach the bible and the 10 commandments is trying to overhaul the social studies curriculum and he did not just echo some of project 2025's

proposals, including eliminating pei in the classrooms, he has attacked kevin roberts, president of the heritage foundation to serve on the review committee for academic standards for oklahoma students. this is already been implemented. for trump to stand up there saying he doesn't know about it, maybe he is a useful idiot for the heritage foundation because they are rolling this out at the state level helping trump if he gets elected will not care. >> i think the idea that we just have to read about it is flawed. we have seen it. it is happening not just in florida and oklahoma, the state of texas for instance. kevin roberts before he was director of the heritage foundation was director of the texas public policy foundation and he had huge ties to governor greg abbott, huge ties

to the republican party there so i think about the stories that i covered in texas just the last three years. i've seen what project 2025 looks like. i have been with families that a flood texas because their children can't get gender- affirming care. i've been with families that a flood texas because their daughters have these -related pregnancies. i've met with countless young women who are literally going to mexico to get an abortion and the list goes on. texas policemen are being deputized to be ice agents, so it's happening already. >> is a soft rollout. >> that's what we all have to be talking about. >> let's talk about one of the states right now, oklahoma. ryan walters, this task force he set up in oklahoma, i want to read for you some of these things that he would overhaul the social studies system. it would include right wing talking host dennis prager. he says he hopes to quote indoctrinate american children with a right wing worldview. as

if one talk radio host was not enough they've also brought on this guy named steve deese, who won his show, called for the catholic church to issue a quote fatwa, his word, not mine, against the dodgers for hosting an lgbt q group. >> i'm going to shock you here. these people are not qualified but being unqualified is a future. these people want ultimately, mostly to destroy public schools and have people homeschool their kids because it is more religious and it's cheaper, but also they have this belief that liberals have gotten into the school system with their books, and teaching them things has made them left, as opposed to teaching them things has made them know about the world and then they decide their political voice from there so that is where we are and i think that you know, i think they're trying really hard. i don't know. a lot of the

stuff is really cruel and one of the things i think about when you think about project 2025 is they also don't teach slavery. they don't want to teach about slavery because you know if you don't teach history, you can easily repeat it. >> they don't want to teach history, they don't want to teach civil rights or about slavery and it for them, connect the dots for us jason. education is now the front-line of this war that is taking place. everything they see as a threat coming from the left -- woke ideology, talking about these books they are banning, punishing teachers for having flags or sympathy to black lives matter and now they're going on the offense with what they want to do and how they want to indoctrinate students. >> that is right. this is why i wrote a book about education. this is international. it is all authoritarians target education systems. viktor orban through central european university through the

central university out and has change the curriculum their survey of elevated right-wing far right nationalist into the curriculum, eliminated the only jewish hungarian nobel prize winner for literature who is a jewish holocaust survivor, eliminated him from the curriculum like they are doing with toni morrison here, a black nobel prize winner minority who went through the similar kind of oppression here, so know what you do, what authoritarians do -- look at what china does. you're not allowed to teach about tiananmen square. you erase that from the school so you erase the history of protest movements. you erase the history of social movements so people think you can't challenge hierarchy. if people are not raised knowing about challenges to

hierarchy, the labor movement, women's rights, civil rights, fights against jim crow, slave rebellions and they will think okay, hierarchy is permanent and that is the goal of going after universities and schools. >> there is a flipside to that, which is to stay on the theme of communist party is that they want to get rid of civil servants in government here. they want to have people who are ultimately going to be maga loyalists. you're going to be walking into governments and showing your party card or your maga card to be able to come in to work. >> yes, with the question of what you think about the 2020 election as part of a loyalty oath, so this is classic. you take the courts, you take the government, you take the schools, you take the press and you make sure everyone is a loyalist so you replace the rule of law by the rule of trump and the one party. this is just how authoritarians work and we are seeing it in the schools, the teachers have

to be loyalists. if they're not going to be loyalists than they're going to be watched in the classroom and forced to be. in the courts we are already seeing the supreme court has already turned and now they're going to try to do this with the entire civil service. >> it is a scary thought. speaking of judges, we see what judge aileen cannon did throwing out the legal documents case in florida because of the immunity case and you see what kind of atmosphere it is beginning to create. next up, they helped us debunk the gop's vile rhetoric and lies. ♪ trains that use the power of dell ai and intel. ♪ to see hundreds of miles of tracks. ♪ [vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive

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at the rnc this week republicans returned again and again to the same theme. it is us versus them, he decried a migrant invasion, chant and send them back and used even more derogatory

language that we will not repeat here. signs reading mass deportation now or passed out on the floor of the convention. none of this is surprising. the gop's front. donald trump launched his campaign by calling mexicans and vehicles of drugs and crime. nearly a decade later, this racist fear mongering and disinformation have become synonymous with the republican party but on this show we are about facts, so let's debunk these lies one by one. >> we are facing an invasion on our southern border. not figuratively. a literal invasion. 11.5 million people have crossed our border illegally under joe biden. everyday, americans are dying. murdered, assaulted, by illegal immigrants that the democrats have released.

>> this 11.5 million figure is false. as of january, u.s. customs and border protection have released more than 2.3 million migrants into the u.s. at the southern border under the biden administration. most of them, families, and to his point, the second point about migrant crime, number one, studies have repeatedly shown that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than u.s.-born citizens. while there have been some recent crimes involving migrants that are frequently discussed by right-wing pundits and politicians, immigration, writ large, does not bring crime into the country. and now for our next fact check. >> biden with his borders, vice president harris opened our southern border allowing criminals and terrorists to enter our country. there allowing drug cartels to

flood our streets with fentanyl killing over 100,000 americans every year. >> again, this is wrong on two key fronts starting with who was smuggling until into the u.s. more than 80% of sentinel trafficking crimes were committed by u.s. citizens last year, and that is according to the u.s. sentencing commission and when it comes to the other big number, 100,000 that actually counts for deadly overdose due to all kinds of drugs and while fentanyl is a leading cause of death, about 75,000 people died last year from synthetic opioids including fentanyl. not to be outdone, the finale or the final speaker at the rnc also had a lot to say about immigration, but this part stands out as one of the most egregious lies he has written. >> we have to stop the invasion into our country that is killing hundreds of thousands of people a year. we are not

going to let that happen. >> this one can be debunked by pure common sense. no migrants are not killing hundreds and thousands of people each year. you can go back to my first fact check about how migrants are less likely to commit crimes than americans born here. the reality of potential two- term president trying out this kind of rhetoric is concerning but the demonization of migrants in this country also has real and deadly consequences. go back to 2019. 23 people were killed and 20 others injured at a walmart in el paso, texas. police say he was specifically targeting people of mexican descent had moments before the attack he posted a racist manifesto online where he referred to an invasion of immigrants to the u.s. and there is that word again, invasion. since trump's attempted assassination last week, lawmakers and politicians have expressed political violence has no place in our country but what about republicans' own words which could incite political and racial violence like we have seen in the past? i will be back with my panel to break all this down. o

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before the break we debunk the vile rhetoric from republican leaders and trump about immigrants. you would think it was the core theme of this week's rnc. my panelists are back with me. we talked about how republicans made this a central theme at the rnc. they used the language, illegal aliens, and it was almost as if it was scripted for this performance. give me the number 15 of undocumented migrants coming into this country. >> you did a spectacular job, you did what everyone should be doing which is debunk. that is what we all have to be doing. i think what it affirms is that what really unites this party and everyone at the convention

we heard the loudest applause, the loudest yells precisely when they were talking about immigrants. that is when you get this visceral reaction of the other. why? you just said it all. the gap between perception and reality is extremely wide. truly so many people believe there is an invasion. migrants are coming here to vote for democrats, that migrants are here to kill us all . >> the great replacement theory. >> i mean, so many republicans, at least 50% of republicans actually believe this. i think that is the problem and to me it says a lot more than just about immigration. what we are seeing is a republican party that has an incredible ability to dehumanize other people. that is true about immigrants. they dehumanize trans people, black people, they dehumanize women who want to control their bodies and that is the heart of trumpism, this ability to dehumanize other people. >> what do you make of this particular chapter that we find ourselves in with dehumanization becoming such a central identity to the republican not just platform

but like the characteristic of the republican base? the facts even matter to them anymore? if one of them happened to watch the show and catch the last segment are they going to say you know what, i'm really ashamed of myself for saying what i said last week? >> no. we know they get most of their news from trump. that is the person that trumped -- they trust. you go to these rallies and interview these trumpeters and do they ever go like oh my god, you're right? they never do. there always are like that's nice, good for you, but the other is part of the authoritarian playbook. you got to have an enemy and that is what this is. the reality is that this is so crazy. we are at near full employment so we need people to work and the reason wages are going up is because there are not enough people to work in these jobs

and wages go up and that is inflationary. half of the convention is them complaining about inflation and then trumps two policies or tariffs, which are highly inflationary, then deporting millions of people which will be highly inflationary. >> watch this and then we will talk about it on the other side of it. >> we have seen nationalism distorted in the nativism, forgotten the dynamism that immigration has always brought to america. >> it is hard to imagine that you are agreeing with george w. bush but this is where we are right now when you're looking to george w. bush and actually agreeing with him. he also talked about the nativism, the isolationism, the protectionism seeping into

american politics warning us about that and yet here we are. this is a completely different republican party than that of just a generation ago. >> right. you had republicans like mark rubio. >> that at one point he was really pushing for comprehensive immigration reform and now that party has transformed into a party that is telling us very clearly that they want the largest messy partition in american history so another thing we have to do, what is our job at this point is showing americans what that looks like. i think what we are really up against is that no longer are we in the trump era for we had those images of the rates in family separations and we could actually hear like the trauma in people's voices. i think that is what we are up against so let's show people what that means. that means that over 11 million people that live in this country, if trump is actually able to carry this out, over 80% of those 11 million people have been in this country over 10 years.

there are 10 million citizens who live as documented immigrants so we need to really paint that picture because it's going to be traumatic. >> let me read for you a tweet posted on thursday night that said he spoke to an undocumented immigrant who has worked in eight different states doing labor's work, and that he and his fellow colleagues are scared about trumps threats of mass deportations. if trump wins the election they're planning on going straight from work to home and nowhere else. in your reporting you've spoken to migrants on the ground. what did they tell you about this? when people think about it practically, you're going to arrest people. we're going to be living in a republic of fear. >> completely and jack is right. literally this morning i was texting with an undocumented immigrant in arizona and asked her how do you feel, and she's like, we are trying to contemplate as a family do we have to go back to mexico. in the last two months i talked to an immigrant married to an

american citizen who got so tired waiting in limbo that she self deported. as we speak, people are listening to this, hearing project 2025 and making real plans to exit this country. >> i think a really important point about this is you can't deport these people so quickly so they will go into camps. camps where people are concentrated. in america. the last time we put people in camps, it was one of the greatest crises in american life. >> and he'll so is promising to do deportations bigger than eisenhower, you know. let me ask you about the republicans here because you know, the democrats have called republicans out on the bluff of immigration. they actually had a bipartisan senate deal that a lot of people were disappointed with on the left, saying this is too

extreme, that they were surprised joe biden didn't or even expressed support for it. the democrats in the senate went along with it. they put together an immigration reform bill and then trump torpedoed it by saying basically if you do this i won't have anything to run on. >> i mean right. he had saved immigration is the one thing he had to run on. by the way, what was so interesting -- >> they want a broken system for their own political gain. >> of course and what is so interesting about this convention is that so many of the things they were saying were not true. the economy is terrible. we don't have any gas. we are a net exporter of natural gas. he's like a benadryl, baby, drill. that's what we drilled -- do here. we drill all the time. way too much. he made it up but it didn't matter because there was no fact checking. >> one of the things democrats do in the situation, if you are the party, which republicans are, saying our immigration system is broken, i'm going to fix it and do mass deportations

and the democrats that we have a bill but you guys didn't go along with it, that did not seem to work to convince people that they actually tried to put forth a proposal. >> yes. i've said this before. but the biden campaign has to do is go back to what they did a month before the 2020 election, which is go back to those images of family separation. humanize the border one more time, like relay the promise that you did so well with such moral clarity in 2020 when joe biden said directly you know, i will be the person that brings humanity and dignity at the border. don't shy away from that. that is what mobilize people in arizona. that's what mobilized the democratic coalition in nevada, and georgia. go back to that message. i think he's been tiptoeing around this for a long time. >> it is so smart on your part to say that because when you see the republicans to human tithing -- dehumanizing, the other side should be we're going to dehumanize this process. >> you'll never out trump trunk. >> please stay with us.

up next, our worst of the week segment. the maga makeover that never was.

the rnc inclusion. as the convention kicked off republicans try to expand their tent by inviting people of color and celebrity speakers like tv personality amber rose. >> i realize donald trump and his supporters don't care if you're black, white, , or

straight. it's all love. >> okay. let's talk about that love for a moment there. before rose even finished her speech, far right figures like the daily rights matt walsh who met with donald trump lost their minds. they disparaged her appearance and sexual history while slamming the rnc for inviting her and from there it only got worse when the trump attorney said again the same far right figures expressed their outrage. another activist even suggested she should be deported. even trump running mate jd vance this family was not spread as far right extremist set their sights on his wife, who is indian-american. one conservative commentator fearmonger about a quote, indian co-taking place in the u.s. right before our eyes insured a screenshot of the article about defenses three children.

i don't know where to begin. i was watching this in horror and shock that they would even try. maybe a part of me wants to say good on them for trying to do it, but even that was performative. >> >> first, for sure, hulk hogan. i was like, what is happening and then every single person holding those mass deportation signs and that as a floridian, is the daughter of a cuban like marco rubio. i know we've noted other people like marco rubio is the son of cuban immigrants to be on that stage in the midst of this crowd is chanting like these were thick things like -- >> my worst of the week was women being treated as props. the policies are terrible for women. there like you know, they want

to and no-fault divorces, which no-fault divorces were something that stopped domestic violence and made it for women who could get divorced without having to debase themselves, so women were described as objects. remember, trump listed women who had been violated by immigrants. it was just such an emphasis on women as children, you know, as objects to take care of, and not a sentient beings. i was shocked by that. >> the history of many of this people who took the stage -- they're not exactly role models or models of good relationships and also the treatment of women. a lot of those people on that stage had some very questionable if not outright problematic relationships with women, and i think when you see that and you send that message and you try to take the moral high ground of being the party of family values are somehow the family to protect children or the family -- or the party

that wants to prevent children from talking about bad behavior in schools, it rings hollow pundit, falls on deaf ears among their base. >> so hypocritical. beyond that, we saw people had at one point really articulated the threat the donald trump poses and yet we had nikki haley, who once said that donald trump should be the president. we had jd vance. i mean, that hypocrisy is terrifying. >> can you explain tim scott? i just don't understand -- i don't understand him. >> now, speculate on tim scott. enough people have gotten in trouble for that but i would say one of the central tenants of this convention was sent -- people saying stuff they didn't believe with jd vance, donald trump, tim scott, marco rubio, none of these people believe any of this. they just want power. >> again i think about ted cruz

having donald trump insult your wife, suggest that your father was involved in the kennedy assassination -- not only is it insulting and debasing but then to see you go back up there for more -- >> so sad. i mean ted cruz, who once said not too long ago that donald trump was immoral. >> it turns out immoral as a compliment. >> i want to talk about ron desantis and nikki haley here for a moment and their ability to come and kiss the ring, bend the knee. certainly nikki haley to some extent had vowed not to do that, and yet, like everyone else, marco rubio, lindsey graham and all others, she came around, as well. what is the motivation for her? she's not going to be secretary of state. she is not the running mate. she's not going to be another ambassador in the trump administration. she probably will not win a trump -- republican administration in the future. >> i think they just made the

connection that there is no place for them in the republican party unless they are pro-trump. they just had to go along with this to get along which is why we have this guy with all his criminal convictions running for president again is because they just want power. it is mitch mcconnell all over again. >> speaking of mitch mcconnell, the absence of any notable republicans of not necessarily never trumpers but no mitt romney -- there are no republican figures and certainly none that that rnc who are willing to speak up. i did not see larry hogan there and you know he is someone -- what does that say? >> george w. bush, cheney -- >> that is trump's party. you are no longer facing a party that a lot of traditional republicans are familiar with. that party has now completely, fundamentally transformed into trump's party.

>> the anti-de i party. anyone surprised that they were fear mongering when there was a little bit of diversity on the stage. >> was great to have you with us throughout the night. thank you so much. and thank you at home. come back tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. eastern. congressman mark paul campbell joined us to explain why he is joining the list of members of congress calling and president biden to pass the torch. until then, i am ayman mohyeldin. have a good night. din. have a good night. and lost to time... can now be analyzed and restored using the power of dell ai. preserving memories and helping to write new ones. ♪

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