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that is one things you will watch over the course of this week as a pelican national convention continues through thursday night in milwaukee. it is happening under unusual circumstances in the wake of the attempted assassination of a republican, now nominee, donald trump on saturday night. the democratic campaign has taken down the ads and stopped it's campaigning. it sounds like as of wednesday they will be back to in campaign style event. that is just one of the unusual things that is happening in american politics right now. as our special covering continues of republican national convention. the theme tonight was make america wealthy once again. tomorrow it is make america safe once again, i think? it is a different -- online they fill in there every night. t
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voters. and they found jd vance whose memoir elegy chronicling his working class upbringing in kentucky and ohio as a source. vance became a translater of sorts explaining the plight of e rural voter to blue america. >> their communities have been struggling in a lot of different ways 20 or 30 years and nobody has really cared and trump is the first person to at least see these communities even if you think he doesn't have all the solutions. >> oeas he became a media darlii his book received rave reviews and was turned into a movie by ron howard. >> i know i could have done better but you got to decide you want to be somebody or not.
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>> even in 2016, some caught a cynical undertone to vance's narrative as the new republic put it. quote. his great ewtake away from life in america's underclass is this. pull up those boot straps and don't question elites. public policy can help but there is no government who can fix these problems for us. it starts when we stop blaming obama or bush or faceless companies and ask ourselves what we can do to make things better. in vance's world, the working class has no one but themselves to blame for their troubles. vance soon tgot the attention entrepreneur peter teal and paved the way for his political assent. he transformed from a supposed p moderate republican into a maga acolyte. teal gave $50 million for his senate campaign. despite once calling the maga
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king america's hitler, he went on a year's long apology tour ng and officially became his running mate this past week. and he is not just an ally to trump, but the far right and the dystopian vision of project 2025. kevin roberters, the president of the heritage foundation and architect of project 2025 said of vance quote he will absolutely be one of the leaders if not the leader of our movement. roberts praised trump's tr decision to choose vance. he received a 100% score from the heritage. radically right wing views on abortion. in 2021, he applied abortion should not be allowed even in cases of rape or incest. he walked back those particular comments before saying he backs
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a federal abortion ban the following year. his attacks on abortion would hurt the very same people he talked about in his book hill billy elegy. strict abortion bans are more likely to exist in states with a high number of women of childbearing age that have incomes below 200% of the federal poverty line. vance appealed again to his humble beginnings and forgotten americans. >> the people of middletown, fo ohio and all the forgotten communities in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and ohio, and every corner of our er nation, i promise you this. i will be naa vice president wh never forgets where he came from. and every single day the next four years when i walk into that white house to help president trump i will ntbe doi it for you. for your family. for your future. >> according to his own memoir, he believes low income americans can lift themselves out of overwithout the government's help.
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something tells me he is not e losing any sleep out of his empty words. quote these are the lies we tell ourselves to solve the cognitive dissonance. the broken connection between the world we see and the values we preach. we have an all-star panel for the hour. rise of the latino far right what it means for america and jason stanley, professor of philosophy at yale university. how fascists rewrite the past to control the future. so much to break down here. but i will start with something we just heard within the last hour. this is donald trump asspeaking in grand rapids michigan first campaign event with him and vance on the ticket and since the assassination attempt. take a listen to this. >> you have the radical right. they come up with this. i don't know what the hell it is. it is project 25. he is involved. and they read some of the things and they are extreme.
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i mean, they are seriously extreme but i don't know anything about it. i don't want to know anything about it. but what they do is misinformation and disinformation and they keep saying he's a threat to democracy. i'm saying what the hell did i do for democracy? last week i took a bullet for democracy. >> so, what is the calculation here that trump is doing if there is a calculation? because on one hand, thseems li he is trying to diminish project 2025. not make it the boogeyman for his base so when they start hearing it being implemented they are not shocked by it. but at the other hand you have to wonder why is he not operating in secret like he normally does on these things? >> part of what is happening is he is trying to pivot to the general. i don't know about project 2025. just because it is written geby all my advisers and the guy who wrote the rnc platform at the rnc which was last week. trump won because people didn't know what he believed.
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he was famous, he could have been a lefty or a righty. he advertised as a racist. but a lot of people thought well he had been a democrat earlier so he had no voting record. he could be a rorschach. he could be whatever you wanted. now we know what he is. we have seen it. we have seen the child separation, we have seen it all. so he has avto try to hope that trump amnesia is working and some of the polls show that trump amnesia is a real thing. i personally think it is kind of insane. what is interesting is in the end trump can only be trump. so he can try. this is probably what susie wants him to do. he has smart people trying to make him be disciplined trump and disciplined trump is like look, it is just light fascism. not real. and i think that's what he is trying to do. but trump can only be trump. >> there are a lot of other things not mentioned in the rnc this week. perhaps most notably abortion.
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something that jd vance had taken an extremist position on. and surprisingly, he actually deleted from his website after he was announced as trump's running mate, he deleted a section on his senate website called end abortion. abortion not mentioned at all these four days. it was mentioned 18 times in one single night in the convention back in 2020. >> that's right. i think perhaps to your point, trump may be all over the place, that is the most troubling part. i think he is someone that truly fundamentally innately believes in a lot of back ward policies. he is fixated on this idea of the nuclear family looking a certain way. fixated on this idea of shaming women. like myself. like don't have children yet. and women that perhaps once again divorce because they are
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in these toxic relationships. i think he has even bashed child care. to me, the heart of jd vance is like someone this man that is so scared of change. that to me is very troubling. he really, really believes it. unlike perhaps donald trump. >> so there is this kind of split screen we are seeing here jason. on one hand, trump says he doesn't know anything about project 2025, yet at the same moment, he picked jd vance, a guy the heritage foundation is essentially endorsing him with a 93% score here. and calling him the future fu leader of their movement. he could have gone with nikki haley to bring the outside republicans that are on the fence about him. he went to the far right. >> that's right and i absolutely agree. if we look at the things we know jd vance believes, they are the cultural social things
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about abortion, natallism. great replacement theory on immigration. vance talks about immigration threatening the communities that he represents. but there are very few immigrants in these communities. and so, you have to ask what is the real motivation behind al vilifying immigrants? it is not really economic there. it looks like it is racial. keeping women producing babies here. on the economic issues, there is a helot as you pointed out a the outset, a lot of inconsistency. the book suggests it is ameritocracy, poor whites are where they are because they are lazy. and now he ecis saying okay, it a structural issue. those are just completely inconsistent. if it's a structural issue, @ not their fault.
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and the final inconsistency, he is loved at yale. he belongs with the senators like ted cruz who went to princeton and harvard. yeah. harvard and harvard. and desantis to went to yale in harvard. they are the elite of the elite. it is harvard for them. >> you are part of the elite at that point when you roll with peter teal. you are no longer part of the base. let me ask you this, molly, there was an interesting part to two things that came out of the rnc. trump officially saying he will not accept the election results of 2024. if he loses we will not let them cheat. and jd vance has t publicly sai he would not have done what
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mike pence said january 6th. he would have supported donald trump's attempt to overturn our democracy. >> yeah. i mean i think he is picked because he embraces the explosive rhetoric of donald trump. junior played a hand in this too. he is a representative of tech billion nears. he is very close with that. >> as pete buttigieg said on eg bill maher. he says he likes him because he does things for peter teal. for rich guys that make them richer. >> and i thought mayor pete had such a good point. because he was talking about rich people really like this because it is pay for play. you want tax cuts. you want this, you want that. one of the things that is really great that the biden
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administration has done is tried to break up monopolies and they have had regulation for tech and finance and that kind of regulation on capitalism helps the middle class and the rich people hate it. >> you talk about how creating panic and fear of the other is at the crux of fascism. that was on full display the past four days. when you have signs that say mass deportations now, when you are standing up saying the drug problem in america is because of illegal immigrants, they are taking jobs of black and hispanic americans, you are creating that division and you are creating that sense of fear of the other. >> immigrants are supposed to be lazy and criminal and taking your job. it is openly incoherent and a structure that happens everywhere in the world. unfortunately, it's the very core of fascism.
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i mean, in mein kamfh, hitler talks about seeing foreigners everywhere. the whole thing is about preserving the nation and replacement theory is the heart of it. you represent immigrants as threats to your women. your women. so it links to the patriarchy. are women and children being threatened. our livelihood. though there is no good economic argument for that. and they are coming to destroy the character of the nation. and that basically is universal. it is structure we see in these ultra nationalist movements. >> a type of nativism at its core. next up, we are delving into project 2025 and how some states are already trying it out. w states are already trying it out. recipes that are more than their ingredients. ♪
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project 2025 is not just the perfect authoritarian blueprint. it is already being implemented on the state level to limit abortion rights and education. in florida, a budget committee is courting controversy over the language used in an abortion ballot proposal. abortion rights activists are accusing the panel of a quote dirty trick by including on the ballot it will negatively impact the state budget if passed. a recent addition to that
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committee, rachel greszler of 2025. meanwhile, in oklahoma, ryan walters, the state superintendent of public instruction who mandated all public schools teach the bible and ten commandments is trying to overhaul the social studies curriculum. he is also tapped kevin roberts, the president of the heritage foundation and the architect for project 2025 to develop economic standards for oklahoma students. my panel is back with me, so we will talk about this. this is already being implemented. for trump to stand up and say he doesn't know about it, maybe he is a useful idiot for the heritage foundation because they are rolling this out at the state level. he will not read that 900 pages. and you are starting to see it. >> completely. i have seen it. i think the idea that we just have to read about it is flawed. we have seen it, it is happening not just in florida
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and oklahoma, but texas, kevin roberts was a director of the texas public policy foundation. and he had huge ties to governor greg abbott. and huge ties to the republican party there. so i think about the stories that i covered in texas just the last three years. i have seen what project 2025 looks like. i have been with families that have fled texas because their children can't get gender affirming care. i have been with families that have fled texas because their daughters have these rape- related pregnancies. i have met countless young women literately going to mexico to get abortions. i met with pastors and christian nationalists. it is happening. >> it is a soft rollout. >> completely. >> and that is what we have to be talking about. look at these states. >> let's talk about one of these. ryan walters. i just want to read for you, he
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would overhaul the social studies system. it would include right wing talking host. he hopes to quote indoctrine american children with right wing world view. and this guy who called for the catholic church to issue a quote quote fatwa against the la dodgers for hosting an lgbtq group. how would these people qualify to run any education program from k-12? >> they are not. i'm going to shock you here, they are not qualified. but it is a feature, not a bog. these people want ultimately mostly to destroy public l skis and have people home school their kids. because it is more religious and it is cheaper. but also they have this belief that liberals have gotten into
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the school system with their books. and teaching them things has made them left. as opposed to teaching them things has made them know about the world. and then they decide their political beliefs from there. so that is where we are. a lot of this stuff is really cruel. they also don't teach slavery. if you don't teach history, you can easily repeat it. >> they don't want to teach history or civil rights or slavery. and yet for them, connect the dots for us here jason. education is now if you will the front line of this war that is taking place. everything that they see as a threat coming from the left, the ideology, these books they want to ban that they are actually banning. punishing teachers.
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and now, they are going on the offense with what they want to do and how they want to indoctrinate students. >> viktor orban threw the best university in hungary out and changed the curriculum there. they have elevated far right nationalists into the curriculum. eliminated the only jewish hungarian nobel prize winner for literature who is a jewish holocaust survivor like they are doing with tony morrison here. a minority who went through a similar kind of oppression here. so now what you do, what authoritarians do everywhere, look at what china does. you are not allowed to teach about tiananmen square.
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you erase that from schools. you erase the history of protest movements. you erase the history of social movements so people think you can't challenge hierarchy. if people are not raised knowing about challenges to hierarchy. the labor movement. women's rights. civil rights, fights against jim crow, slave rebellions. think will think okay, hierarchy is permanent. that's the goal of going after universities and schools. >> there is a flip side to that, to stay on the theme of communist party. they want to get rid of civil servants in government here. they want to have people who are ultimately going to be maga loyalists. you'll be walking into government showing your party card or maga card to come into work. >> with the question of what you think about the 2020 election. this is classic.
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the nazis called it coordination. you take the courts, you take the government. you take the schools. you make sure everyone is a loyalist. so you replace the rule of law by the rule of trump and the one party. this is how authoritarians work and we are seeing it in schools. the teachers have to be loyalists if they are not going to be loyalists, they will be watched in the classroom and forced to be. the courts we are already seeing the supreme court has already turned. and now they are going to try to do this with the entire civil service. >> it is a scary thought. we see that speaking of judges, what judge aileen cannon threw out the legal documents case in florida because of the immunity case. and you see what kind of atmosphere it is beginning to create. jason, thanks so much. we have a lot more to discuss. next up, they helped us debunk the gop's vile rhetoric and lies. 's vile rhetoric and lies. i recommend pronamel active shield because it actively shields the enamel
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republicans return again and again to the same thing. it is us versus them. chanting send them back and using other derogatory messages that we will nod read here. none of this is surprise, donald trump launched his 2016 campaign by calling mexicans rapists and vehicles of drugs and crimes. this racist fear mongering and disinformation have become synonymous with the republican party. but on this show we are about facts. let's debunk the lies one by one. >> we are facing an invasion on our southern border. not figuratively. a literal invasion. 115million people have crossed
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our border illegally under joe biden. every day americans are dying. murder. assaulted. raped. by illegal immigrants that the democrats have released. >> this 11.5 million figure is false. as of january, u.s. customs and border protection has released more than 2.3 million migrants into the u.s. at the southern border under the biden administration. most of them families. and to his point, cruz's second point about migrant crime, number one, studies have repeatedly shown that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than u.s. born citizens. while there have been some recent crimes involving migrants that are frequently discussed by right wing politicians, immigration at large does not bring crime into the country. and now for our next fact check. >> and biden with his borders, vice president harris, opened
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our southern border allowing criminals and terrorists to enter our country. they have emboldened them to flood our streets with fentanyl killing over 100,000 americans every year. >> again, this is wrong on two key fronts starting with who is smuggling fentanyl into the u.s. more than 80% of fentanyl trafficking crimes were committed by u.s. citizens last year. and that is according to the u.s. sentencing commission. when it comes to the other big number, while fentanyl is a leading cause of death, about 75,000 people died last year from synthetic opioids including fentanyl. now not to be outage done, the final speaker had a lot to say about immigration. this stands out as one of the most egregious lies he spread. >> we have to stop the invasion
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into our country that is killing hundreds of thousands of people a year. we're not going to let that happen. >> this one can be debunked by pure common sense. no, migrants are not killing hundreds and thousands of people each year. you can go back to my first fact check. the reality of a potential two- term president throwing out this rhetoric is deeply concerning. but the demonization of migrants in this country also has real and deadly consequences. let's go back to 2019. patrick killed 23 people and injured more than 20 others at a wal-mart in the border city of el paso, texas. police say he was specifically targeting people of mexican descent before the attack. he posted a racist manifesto online where he referred to an invasion of immigrants to the
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illegal aliens. central messaging coming out for this performance. give me what you have seen in the fact checking. heard the loudest applauses, the loudest yells. people really going crazy. is precisely when they were talking about immigrants. 50% of republicans actually
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believe this. that is true about immigrants. they dehumanize trans people. they dehumanize black people and women who want to control their bodies. that's the heart of trumpism. this ability to dehumanize other people. >> what do you make of this particular chapter that we find ourselves in with dehumanization becoming such a central identity to the republican not just platform but i guess like the characteristic of the republican base? do facts even matter to them anymore? if one of them happened to watch this show and catch that last segment, are they going to say you know what? i'm really ashamed of myself for saying what i said last week? >> no. and we know they get most of their news from trump. right? that's the person they trust. even jordan klepper said he
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would interview the trumpers and do they ever go oh my god you're right? they never do. they are like that's nice. good for you. the other is like, this is part of the authoritarian play book. you have to have an enemy. and this is what this is. these are their enemy. the reality is so crazy. because we are at this near full employment. dedesperately need people to work. wages go up and that is inflationary. trump's two policies are tariffs and deporting millions of people which will make wages go up which will be highly inflationary. so none of this makes any sense. >> i can't believe i'm about to play this clip but it is a clip of president george w. bush. watch this and then we will talk about it on the other side
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of it. >> you see nationalism distorted into nativism. the dynamism that immigration has always brought to america. >> it is hard to imagine you are agreeing with george w. bush, but this is where we are right now when you are looking to george w. bush and actually agreeing with him. he also talked about the nativism. the isolationism seeping into american politics and here we are. this is a completely different republican party than that of just a generation ago. >> right. you had republicans at one point. that was really pushing for comprehensive immigration reform. and that party has transformed into a party telling us very clearly that they want the largest mass deportation in american history.
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>> if he could carry this out, over 80% of those 11 million people have been in this country over ten years. there are 10 million american citizens that live with undocumented immigrants so we need to paint that picture. because it will be traumatic. >> let me read for you jack herrera, reporter of the la times. posted a tweet on thursday night that said he spoke to an undocumented immigrant who has worked mobile homes, water tanks and he and his colleagues are scared of trump's threats of mass deportation. they are plans ongoing straight to work from home and nowhere else. you have spoken to migrants on the ground. what did they tell you about this? >> exactly that. >> because when people think
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about it practically, you are going to arrest people. we will be living in a republic of fear. >> and jack is right. literally today, this morning i was texting with an undocumented immigrant. how do you feel? we are trying to contemplate as a family. we have to go back to mexico. i talked to an undocumented immigrant married to an american citizen that has been so tired of waiting in limbo. people are listening to this. people are hearing project 2025 and making real plans to exit this country. like that's where we are. and i think of really important point about this, you can't deport these people so quickly so they will go into camps. it is one of the greatest
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crisis in america life. a lot of people were disappointed with on the left saying this is too extreme. they were surprised joe biden did it or even supported or e pressed support for it. the democrats and the senate went along with it. they put together this immigration reform bill. and then trump torpedoed it by saying basically, if you do this, i won't have anything to run on. >> yeah. i mean, right. he had saved immigration as the one thing he had to run on. by the way, what was so interesting about this. >> they want a broken system for their own political gain. >> and they will never fix it. but what is so interesting about this convention is so many of the things they were saying weren't true. right? the economy is terrible. we don't have any gas. we're like a net exporter of liquid natural gas. and i'm going to drill baby
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drill. that's all we do. we drill all the time and we drill way too much. >> what do democrats do in this situation? they try to put forth the proposal. what the biden campaign has to do is go back a month before the 2020 election. go back to the images of family separation. humanize the border one more time. you did so well with such more clarity in 2020 when joe biden said directly. i would be the person that brings humanity and dignity at the border. don't shy away from that.
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in georgia, go back to that message. he has been tiptoeing about this. >> it is so smart on your part to say that. when you see the republicans dehumanizing the logical conclusion is that the other side should be, we will humanize this process and make it as safe as possible. >> you will never out trump trump on that. >> exactly. molly, stay with us, we have a lot more to discuss. up flexion t worst of the week segment. the maga makeover that never was. segment. the maga makeover that never was. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. ♪ [suspenseful music] trains. [whoosh] ♪ trains that use the power of dell ai and intel. clearing the way, [rumble] [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong.
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it is time for tonight's worstover the week, the rnc inclusion edition as the rnc kicked off republicans trying to expand their tent by inviting people of color and celebrity speakers like amber rose. >> i realize donald trump and his supporters don't care if you are black, white, gay, or straight, it's all love.
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>> okay. so let's talk about that love for a moment. far right figures like the daily wire's matt walsh and nick fuentes who met with donald trump lost their minds. they disparaged her appearance and sexual history while slamming the rnc for inviting her. and from there, it only got worse when pro trump attorney dylan delivered a sikh prayer during her speech. those same far right figures expressed their outrage. another activist suggested that dylan should be, wait for it, deported. even trump running mate jd vance's family wasn't spared as far right extremists set their sights on his wife who is indian american. one conservative talked about an indian coup taking place right before our eyes and shared an article about the vances' three children. let's bring back my panel. what is there to say?
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>> i don't even know where to begin. >> i was watching this in horror and shock say would try. maybe a part of me wants to say good on them for trying to do it but even that was even performative. >> completely. i will give you many of my top thoughts. for sure hulk hogan. marco rubio as the son of cuban immigrants to be in that stage. in the midst of this crowd that is chanting.
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no-fault divorces were something that stopped domestic violence and made it for women who could get divorced without having to debase themselves. women who had been violated by immigrants. they listed. there were a lot of people on that stage had some very questionable if not outright problematic relationships with women and i think when you see that and you send that message, and you try to take the moral high ground being the party of family values or the family to protect children or the family or the party that wants to prevent children from talking
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about bad behavior in schools. it just rings hollow and falls on deaf ears. >> it is so hypocritical. beyond that, we saw people who had at one point really articulated the threat that donald trump poses. that hypocrisy. >> how do you explain tim scott? how do you explain tim scott? i don't understand him. i don't understand him. >> i'm not going to speculate on tim scott. enough people have gotten in trouble for that. but i would say one of the central tenants of this convention with people saying stuff they didn't believe. with jd vance, donald trump, tim scott, marco rubio. none of these people believe any of this. they just want power. >> it's the proximity to power. think about ted cruz having
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donald trump insult your wife, suggest that your father was involved in the kennedy assassination. not only is it insulting and debasing but then to see you go back up there for more. >> it is so sad. yeah. ted cruz who once said years ago, not too long ago that donald trump was amoral. >> turns out that's a compliment in this case. >> i want to talk about ron desantis and nikki haley here for a moment and their ability to come and kiss the ring. bend the knee. certainly nikki haley to some extent had vowed not to do that. and yet, like everyone else. marco rubio, lindsey graham and others, she came around as well. what's the motivation for her? she is not going to be secretary of state or the running mate or another ambassador in the trump administration. she probably will not win a republican presidential ticket in the future. >> no. i mean, i think they just made the calculus there is no place for them in the republican party unless they are pro trump. the calculus that ted cruz and marco made. they just had to go along with
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this to get along. which is how we have this guy with all these criminal convictions running for president again. they just want power. it is mitch mcconnell all over again. mitch mcconnell doesn't like trump. he just wants to get his stuff passed. >> speaking of mitch mcconnell, the absence of any notable republicans of not necessarily never trumpers but obviously, there was no mitt romney. there are no more republican figures. certainly none at that rnc who are willing to speak up. i didn't see larry hogan there. he is someone who. obviously mike pence isn't going to be there. >> george w. bush. >> dick cheney. myth romney. john boehner. >> that is trump's party. you are no longer facing a party a lot of traditional republicans are familiar with. it has now fundamentally transformed into trump's party.
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>> the anti-dei party. anyone surprised there was fear mongering when there was a little diversity on the stage. all right, great to have you all with us throughout the night. thank you so much. really enjoy it. thank you at home. come back tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. eastern. congressman mark joins us to explain why he is on the list of congress canning president biden to pass the torch, until then i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. yeldin in new york. chief! doug. (inaudible sounds) ooooo ah. (elevator doors opening) (inaudible sounds) i thought you were right behind me. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪
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