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officially. at least not yet. but she is seeing some of the party's most influential voices coalesce around her, including speaker emerita nancy pelosi this afternoon. the donations are also piling up. harris has already raised more than $90 million since joe biden endorsed her just over 24 hours ago. 25 hours, probably. quote, the flood gates will be open, the finance chair for biden's victory fund told nbc news. there has been a lot of people holding back contributions that will now contribute because the whole thing was paralyzing our fundraising. so will voter enthusiasm also follow suit? will it match that money?

and could harris be the one to win over the crucial sliver of undecided voters that biden and donald trump couldn't convince if she becomes the democratic nominee officially. >> we know things change fast. the money situation has certainly changed fast, but what doesn't look likely to change is how tight this race is no matter who is running against donald trump. according to several recent national surveys, harris polls the same as biden or slightly better against the former president. these were all taken, of course, before biden's withdrawal from the race, and harris does have an edge on biden and trump among some key voting groups. we're going to break down the numbers, how much they could change, now that biden and a growing number of top democrats are throwing their weight behind harris in november. let's get started. >> joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent, mike memoli, ryan nobles and chief white house correspondent and

msnbc political analyst, peter baker. mike, kamala harris is going to be going to delaware, visiting the campaign staff. what do we know about that visit, and what do we know about any interactions she's been having with president biden in these last 24 hours? >> reporter: any minute now, we should see some pictures of vice president harris boarding air force 2 for that very short flight from the washington area into wilmington, delaware, and from there, she'll head to the campaign headquarters, what was the biden harris campaign headquarters, now the harris, to be determined campaign headquarters, and this is an important visit because since last april when the president announced he was seeking a second term, his campaign has raised tens of millions of dollars, built a behemoth of an organization across the country and hired hundreds of staff to not just staff the battleground states but especially to staff the campaign headquarters, and they were rather uncertain yesterday, in fact, learning as

we all were publicly when that announcement came from the president that he would not seek a second term. it was important, we're told for the president for her to go as soon as she could to speak to those employees directly, the leadership of the campaign has made it clear to them that this was a campaign that was designed and built to win across the country and to beat donald trump, and it remains that and that everyone who was employed on the campaign will continue to be. but it's also an important opportunity for harris to meet with the campaign leadership, and as she wants to put her own stamp on this campaign. a reflection of the candidate she represents, and clearly, as much as biden and harris were a close knit team over the last three-plus years, four years since she joined the ticket in the summer of 2020, she does now lead the ticket and is going to want to have a campaign that represents her more fully. there will be conversations as well, about potential changes, ways in which her team will be layered into this operation and what, if anything, is going to

change now as she moves forward with the imperative of having to win an election with 100-plus day sprint. a reminder, she is not the democratic nominee just yet. as more and more leaders across the party have come out today to make their endorsement of her official, it is clear that whatever process unfolds to determine that nomination is one that is going to be much more of a coronation in the end for kamala harris. >> also the party, the campaign will do with the nearly 100 million that has been raised in just the past day. ryan, let's talk about what's happening on capitol hill. leader jeffreys and the majority leader schumer were supposed to be meeting with kamala harris. jeffries said shortly. have they already met with her? are they going to be meeting with her after the visit to delaware? >> reporter: we don't know the time frame of when that meeting will take place. we know it will happen soon, and while both hakeem jeffries and

chuck schumer have had a lot of good things to say about kamala harris, they have stopped short of giving their outright endorsement. they want the opportunity to meet with her, look her in the eye and have a face-to-face conversation before they take that step. that is reflective of the concern that this be somewhat of an open nominating contest, if there is the opportunity for others to put their hat in the ring if they are so willing to do so, and schumer, and jeffries don't want to put their thumb on the scale until they have to. listen to what hakeem jeffries had to say about kamala harris in this race a few minutes ago. >> leader schumer and i are scheduled to meet with vice president harris shortly. the house came back in the session today. the senate does not come back into session tomorrow. i'm excited for that meeting, and let me say this, that vice president kamala harris has excited the community. she's excited the house

democratic caucus. and she's exciting the country. and so i'm looking forward to sitting down with her in person in short order, with leader schumer, and we'll have more to say about the path forward as soon as that meeting concludes. >> reporter: and that of course classic hakeem jeffries does not give a specific idea of when that meeting will take place. he's mentioned the senate is not back in session until tomorrow. there's the realistic possibility that chuck schumer is not in washington. i wouldn't be surprised if that meeting doesn't take place until tomorrow. it seems likely that schumer and jeffries will join the rest of the democratic power base that is getting behind the kamala harris campaign, and i think a big reason for that, katy, and chris, is that we have seen the last three weeks of turmoil, of angst, of a divided democratic party. the democrats i talked to are

sick of that. they want to move on. they want to unite behind a candidate. they want to take on donald trump, and i think that's part of the reason why you're seeing everyone be so swiftly willing to get behind kamala harris's campaign. >> and, peter, we were just watching as kamala harris at joint base andrews was getting on a flight that's going to take her to delaware where she's going to be meeting with campaign staff like the rest of us. many of them caught on the very last minute of being shocked by what happened. if it's possible, just a little more than 24 hours ago now. talk about her role in these early hours with so many people getting behind her to really shore things up, to shore things up with her campaign, to shore things up with the folks in congress and frankly, to move forward. >> she's obviously done a lot of things she needs to do in the

first 24 hours. she spent 10 hours making phones call to congressmen and governors and party figures, and that's paying off. in fact, the road does seem clear the nomination for her. nobody seems to be running at this point. so she seems to basically have it locked up, obviously anything can happen. if they're not noticing by the end of today, it's hard to see how in this truncated period that anybody else could mount a credible campaign, much less take her on. she's already looking ahead to the fall, to taking on donald trump beyond the campaign, beyond the convention. she has to raise money as she's already showing that she can do. she has to consolidate the party behind her, and she has to demonstrate that she can be a national leader in a new way. while a lot of americans know her, people don't know the vice president the same way they know the president. she's going to have a chance to reintroduce herself. how she fits into the political moment, and how she wants to make the priorities of her campaign. >> what do you expect we should

see in the next couple of days from her? i mean, there's a sense that this introduction has to, you know, just show people she's up to being the leader of the free world. we have been hearing from a lot of folks out in battleground states who clearly are not tremendously familiar with her, who have not been following the news day-to-day. how high is the level of challenge, and what do we expect to see? >> yeah, i mean, she's been playing the inside game for the last 24 hours. we haven't seen her in public, except for a brief appearance on the south lawn to congratulate ncaa sports champions, which is an odd first appearance for a person debuting as a presidential candidate. so presumably in the next few days, she'll start to make the public case, which she hasn't done yet. you're right to say there is obviously some disconcerted democrats in places like the mid west, where they worry about if she can sell to their

constituents, they don't know. obviously there's a concern that, you know, she hasn't proven to be a great campaigner in the past, and that her own campaign in 2020, didn't even make it to the first vote, i think there's an excitement about a fresh face, right, i think americans broadly speaking were really sick of the choice. they didn't want to have a rerun of 2020. they didn't want to have biden and trump as the only possibility. that's the reason why you see people like rfk jr. doing reasonably well as a dependent. she can present that, take the generational argument, flip it on its head, and trump being 78 suffering from cognitive issues. from her point of view, energize younger voters, black vote e women, others who might not have been that excited about joe biden, but were part of his coalition. >> peter baker, mike memoli, ryan nobles, thank you, guys. and joining us now with the staff writer with the atlantic, elena platko, a great argue, you

really diagnosed what happened to kamala harris in 2020, why her campaign didn't take off, why she seemed so not comfortable in her skin in 2020. i wonder how that informs what she might do now that she's been handed the endorsement from president biden and potentially the nomination of the democratic party. >> first, katy, thank you so much for having me. it's great to be back. building on what peter said, a lot of the unknowns when it comes to what kind of campaign she would run, and what story she will tell about herself and the her accomplishments the past few years, one reason that we don't really know or have a great instinct as to how she's going to approach that task is because, like peter mentioned, her 2020 campaign was so short lived and the primary impediment it suffered, i would say is that she never quite found a lane for herself. she never quite really carved out an ability for herself to present herself to the american

people as somebody unique. and for that reason, you know, americans haven't been tremendously familiar with this person. so what i'm looking at as a reporter is what is the story that kamala harris will tell about others and perhaps in wilmington, we'll see the first inclinations of that. i think anybody who says they know exactly what they will be is just lying. >> well, let's talk about 2020 for a second. what happened was she was running in a moment when the democratic party didn't want to hear a law enforcement message, didn't want to hear from a former prosecutor. this was a george floyd moment. this was defund the place. and she was the attorney general of california before she was in the senate. being a prosecutor is who she is. it's how she campaigned. so do you expect that we might see more of that in this campaign in 2024, especially since the person she's going to be after, if she gets the

nomination is donald trump who is a, you know, a man who's been convicted of multiple felonies? >> it's such a great question, katy, and something i have thought about a lot. you're right, in 2020, she had a lot of advisers around her saying your story as a prosecutor is not what the base wants to hear right now, and her response to that was in exasperation, that's who i am, that is my background. you kind of saw her, you know, words like inauthenticity started cropping up. voters can pick up on the fact when the story you're telling is not necessarily true to what your actually biography is. so much has changed in the years since 2020, especially with donald trump on the ballot. this is somebody who her d you know a line that she used often in the 2020 campaign, that she would prosecute the case against donald trump. i think that becomes so much

more appealing to voters at this point, not to mention the fact that i think that one thing people have to remember, you can't overstate the impact of fundamental things, her ability to barn storm the campaign trail in a way that joe biden wasn't. the image of somebody who is really energized is on the trail, is making these calls ten hours a day, and is prosecuting the case against donald trump, and not necessarily being apologetic anymore about her background in law enforcement in that way, is going to have a different appeal than what we saw in 2020. >> there's another big question that a lot of people are talking about, and that's the potential of a debate. kamala harris versus donald trump. her campaign was short lived, but she did have something that's very difficult to get, and that's a memorable line in a debate. she got it against joe biden. she was talking about his anti-bussing policies and she said that little girl was me,

which resonated with a lot of people across the country. what do you imagine that, debate, if it happens, it's something the campaign wants to do, the trump campaign. >> although they want to do it on fox news. >> what would that debate look like, do you imagine? >> let's think about why kamala harris really, you know, what fueled her star power in the first place, it was her questioning of donald trump appointments, such as brett kavanaugh, jeff sessions, these nominations to cabinet posts, supreme court seats. those were the moments when americans really started to take notice of her, and what got her and donors interested in the idea of a kamala harris presidency to begin with. the more i think that she can kind of remind americans that that's why they started tuning in to her as a politician in the first place, the better. i think a debate is quite naturally, a forum where she can step into that role again.

>> thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. and vice president kamala harris has just arrived at joint base andrews where she's already frankly boarded a plane. it's going to be headed to wilmington, delaware. it will be her first visit to campaign headquarters since taking over. and is america ready for a black woman president. what reverend al sharpton say will be the biggest challenge of the vice president's historic run if she becomes the nominee. feedback from a lawmaker whose state will be critical to the 2024 race, what michiganers are saying. democratic senator killdee joins us in 60 seconds. seconds i can get full-service wealth management, advice, invest on my own, and trade on thinkorswim. you know carl is the only frontman you need...

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and let's face it, i love joe biden, i consider him to be one of the greatest presidents of my lifetime, but we were having difficulty energizing base voters in michigan and in other swing states. kamala harris is bringing that energy. that's step one. it's still a challenge. michigan is a state that can go either way. we have a fighting chance. president biden made the right decision for himself. he made the right decision for the country and he has put us in a position now to rescue the country from a potential disasterous second term for donald trump. we're going to do what we can in michigan to make sure we elect kamala harris president, and she will be, i think, a great standard bearer for our party, and gives us a chance to win. >> congressman, it's chris jansing, it's good to see you again. >> thanks, chris. >> you're retiring. you're in a district that is rated as a toss up, even though it's august, right, that they're going to have the primary to decide who's actually running.

but this is one of the key districts that when conversations were had about whether or not democrats could control the house, there are a couple of districts in michigan that were in that category. does kamala harris help that equation? >> she does. she's been there. the people have responded to her. i believe that she will bring energy and enthusiasm and a real belief that we have passed the torch to the next generation of leaders. in michigan, we have interesting dynamics. one of them is that younger people are looking for the next generation of leaders to be given an opportunity to lead. you know, as much as, again, i love joe, i love him to death, but we have had some difficulty with people saying, i want another choice, that they didn't see either trump or biden as representing the future or the next generation. with kamala harris, we have a

candidate that can take us into the entire, particularly for younger voters. >> if i can interrupt you for a second, you went through redistricting, so it's a tougher haul for a democrat. how specifically in your district could she make a difference? >> i think she certainly makes a difference with tradition that will democratic base voters. younger people, communities of color, women. particularly when in michigan, again, women's reproductive rights will be on the ballot. the questions that we answer at the ballot in november will determine whether women continue to have the right to make decision over their own bodies. kamala harris can bring energy to that debate. she brings irrelevance to that debate that i think will make a big difference in november. >> is the vice president going to matter if it's kamala harris at the top of the ticket, and who does the vice president need to be. governor whitmer decided she doesn't want to be part of it. that's what she told reporters. we'll see if that position

stands. what do you think about andy beshear, can he win michigan, roy cooper win michigan, governor shapiro win michigan? >> the top of the ticket makes all the difference in the world. it matters who that choice is. i would encourage governor whitmer to consider it. if it's a choice she chooses not to make, i'll be just as happy to see her lead in michigan. it makes a difference. what we will see with kamala harris, she'll select a vice president, a nominee for vice president who can become president, who can lead. contrast that with donald trump picking j.d. vance, who has barely had a cup of coffee in the senate, has no real public record to speak of. he's written a book, i suppose. but the idea that we would put him a heart beat away, a guy who we hardly know anything about, who's never really demonstrate the capacity to lead, a heart

beat away, and from the oval office, that is a really big question. so my advice to the extent anybody's listening is that we select a vice presidential nominee who has the capacity to be the president, and then the second question is can they help the ticket win. that first question has been failed by the republicans. i think we'll pass it with flying colors with any of the names that have been mentioned. >> well, congressman dan kildee, you and i, i think we're about the same age, so we have seen how a vice president can be called up, and this is just the latest example of that, although under extraordinary circumstances. thank you so much, it's great to see you, and we appreciate your time. >> thank you. still ahead, reverend al sharpton will join us. what he says we should all brace for if vice president harris ascends to the top of the democrats '2024 ticket. and we are also live on the ground in the battleground state of wisconsin. what voters there are saying about the democrat's campaign

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we have breaking news right now. this is rare, the two leaders of the house oversight, koman, and jamie raskin have come together, put out a letter after four plus hours of questioning of the head of the secret service and called for her resignation, among the things they wrote, quote, under your leadership, the secret service failed to protect former president trump from an assassination attempt and today they write later, you failed to provide answers to basic questions. listen to this exchange that happened between kimberly cheatle and congressman russell frie. >> when did he become -- when did he transform from suspicion to threat? because they're treated very differently. people can be suspicious but they're not a threat until a certain point in time. so when did that happen? >> i believe that it was seconds

before the gunfire started. >> seconds. my gosh, we actually have a few questions that we got answered today. >> joining us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, we talk a lot about a divided congress. on this, they have come together. >> reporter: rare moment of commonality, both in congress, but also for the heads of the oversight committee. we knew going into it that chairman james comer was of the mind, cheatle should be forced out of her post at the head of the secret service. we heard from ranking member jamie raskin who said this in concurrence with his fellow member. watch. >> i will be joining the chairman in calling for the resignation of the director just because i think that this relationship is irretrievable, and i think the director has lost the confidence of congress at a very urgent and tender

moment in the history of the country, and we need to very quickly move beyond this. >> reporter: raskin there laying out the stakes from a congressional front, and i'll tell you, we expected the hearing to be fiery, have testy moments in it, certainly with most republicans, you saw russell fry, jim jordan, james comer were among he asked her at one point, what would you tell americans who are confused about the fact that this kid could get on a roof and have a clear line of sight to the former president of the united states. cheatle's answer was not direct. it was another example of many throughout the hearing where specific questions were asked and no specific answers were given. the secret service director continued to rely on the idea that investigations were still ongoing, that this is only something that happened nine days ago.

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brewster. but it wasn't a lifetime, shaq. it was only last week. what are the voters out there -- i thought milwaukee felt like they were going to get a break. do they feel like they're getting a break now that you're harassing them about how they feel about the democratic ticket? >> reporter: i'm asking them about their immediate reaction to the news. a lot of people are still digesting what has been a back and forth for them as they have been watching this presidential election, and you know, among the democrats that i have been talking to, there is a sense that there's growing enthusiasm. i spoke to one lady who told me she was watching the republican convention just last week. she said as a democrat she was jealous watching the show of unity, internal unity among republicans, enthusiasm that you saw around donald trump and j.d. vance, and she says now she's starting to feel that sense based on president biden dropping out of the race, and him endorsing his vice president. i want you to listen to some of

the other conversations i have been having today. >> i think regardless of what party you are and what you stand for, i think it's honorable when someone knows that it's time to step down. >> i think it was smart to give america a path. >> reporter: fair to say you're backing vice president harris? >> i have been behind her since 2019. >> reporter: we kind of see her as aunty sometimes, like people know her. she's parts of sororities, it feels like there's a deeper connection folks feel to her, and i think people are excited. >> my question was if america is ready to vote for a black woman. when we didn't vote for a white woman. >> reporter: jeff said a little bit later after that last exchange that you heard, he said that the show of unity that you have been seeing and the show of support you have been seeing for the vice president just in the past 24 hours made him feel better, the rush of donations, the flood of endorsements coming in. it makes him feel as if

democrats could pull this off. he didn't feel that way earlier this week, if you were to ask him a week ago. i should mention that so many people have said to me even if they're supporting vice president harris or excited about the new ticket, they still want to research. there's still a lot they don't know. they want to see where she stands on specific positions for issues that are important to them. that's an opportunity for her but also gives you a sense that voters are digesting, still trying to understand what this means, and how this impacts them, and how they view this election, guys. >> shaquille brewster, thank you very much. campaign has announced $81 million raised in 24 hours. let's see what they'll get to in 30 hours. chris jansing. joining us now the "new york times" opinion columnist david french. good to have you. you were writing about the rnc and one of the weirdest lies at the rnc was that the crime rates were better under former president donald trump, and our

standing on the world stage was better under former president donald trump. interestingly now with kamala harris at the top of the ticket, she's got a record of her own to run on in terms of crime and a conviction rate that went up when she was the d.a. in san francisco. >> yeah, this is a very different time from 2019 when she was running before. there her record as a prosecutor, a very aggressive prosecutor, by the way, wasn't helping her at that time. there was a -- it was an ideological moment where there was a much more resistance to law enforcement. that time seems to have passed, and her record as a tough prosecutor, i think, is much more resonant in this moment than it was in 2019. in fact, in 2019, she was in many ways, seemed to be struggling to get away from that record. in 2024, she would probably want to double down on that record, especially, especially given two realities, reality number one,

donald trump himself has been convicted of multiple felonies is going to be on trial for more, and reality number two, crime went up substantially, murder went up substantially under donald trump. it has gone down in the biden administration. and i think she can make that case in a way she couldn't in 2019. >> so, david, it's chris jansing, when i read your article and you wrote kind of summarized, i think, by saying republicans misled america, that was what you wrote about the rnc, but i'm juxtaposing this with what the trump campaign is putting out there. they have decided they're going to do something called harris dishonest mondays to go after her record in installments, and it leads me to kind of a big existential question. in 2024, how much does the truth matter, and how much does it matter vis-a-vis how people feel, how they feel about grocery prices, how they feel

about the cost of their rent or getting a mortgage. what do you think? >> i think you just hit the nail on -- you hit the nail on the head on the fault line here, because what you're dealing with is a lot of people have feelings of no question about that. we have seen feelings of discontinue in the approach to foreign policy and sort of the chaos in the world, and people are still in the overhang of the inflation burst in, you know, early 2021 and 2022. at the same time, there are a lot of empirical things that you can point out that are genuinely very good. unemployment is very low. wages are now out pacing inflation. the russian army and hamas have been crippled in many ways, and so there are good things to say, but in many ways what you're dealing with is a story that a lot of people don't feel, and so this is going to be a challenge for harris going forward. she's going to want to make

it -- she's going to want to tell the truth in a persuasive way that connects and changes and alters, perhaps, how people feel about the present moment, and that's hard to do. there's no question about it. >> so that brings us to the following question, who is open to being persuading, and we have polling, obviously the polling is going to change. we can't put too much stock in what we're seeing right now. just the initial polling from before she was announced as the nominee showed that harris didn't do as well as joe biden among white men, she did not do as well among republicans who didn't want to vote for donald trump, but she did a lot better among independents, people who didn't know who they were going to vote for didn't feel like they wanted to vote for anybody. >> well, we know there's some upward room. since 2016, we know that the maga coalition is smaller than the democratic coalition. it's just smaller. now, the democratic coalition is pretty diverse, it's got competing factions that are hard

to keep together. the core reality is she potentially has a bigger coalition, and you also know there is some up side, what we saw was a lot of the democratic candidates in the senate were running ahead of joe biden in their state, so there are democratic votes that are out there for the taking. we just don't yet know in this frantic 100 days if she can grab them or not. that's the mystery. >> it is always great to talk to you. thank you so much for coming on the program. up next, somebody else we love to talk to, the reverend al sharpton, what he's warning could happen with vice president harris at the top of the ticket. . n for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪) ♪ ♪

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war chest. but for some black voters, with momentum comes awareness that harris is barrelling toward the hardest to shatter ceiling in u.s. politics, and there could be consequences if she doesn't breakthrough. >> joining us now the host of "politics nation" and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton, and "new york times" opinion columnist and cohost of the "matter of opinion" podcast, lydia poll green. rev, lay out what the worry is. what do you think might happen with the way that donald trump and j.d. vance go after kamala harris? >> well, i think that donald trump clearly is not going to run a campaign based on policy against hillary clinton, that is going to be considered good

behavior compared to what he's going to try to run against vice president harris. one, because he has a race and the gender question. and secondly because he is fighting for his life. this man is facing several trials, and has already been convicted. so, i think that we can get ready, and i talked to the vice president last night. i think she is ready, i think we get ready for a nasty campaign. i think the nastier he gets, the more america will have to choose, do they want that kind of person back in the white house. >> lydia, i was reading your article today -- your column about kamala harris being a dei candidate, and if so, so is jd vance. you write the two of them, kamala harris and jd vance, have a few things in common. they were both raced by tough, charismatic patriarchs, they both come from backgrounds that

are underrepresented in the halls of power and now both engaged in the core work of politics translating their stories into power. they have to ask why one of these two remarkable americans stands accused of getting where she is based on dei. you say the answer, you fear, is written on their faces. >> i'm afraid it is written on their faces. and i think it's really important for us to think about the weighed in which race plays a role in our politics. it's very clear there will be an attempt to try and paint kamala harris as being some sort of, you know, like super lefty, black progressive. and the great irony of that is that's not who she is. they're going to try to do it, but it's not going to work. and when that doesn't work, i think the reverend is absolutely right, their next resort will be to out and out racism. when i think about how that's

going to play, i think a lot about my grandmother, who was a conservative republican, white republican from wisconsin, for whom overt displays of racism were just too nasty and disgusting to count. sadly, she passed. that's part of why she could never vote for donald trump the first time she didn't vote for a republican in a presidential election in her lifetime as an adult. and i think that that's a big part of what is going to be a problem for donald trump in running against kamala harris. he's going to have to treat the race issue like a very delicate stick of dynamite. and i don't think he's capable of that. i think out and out racism just doesn't fly. and the gender stuff has changed, too. i mean, we're talking about an elections that's happening in a post dobbs environment, and really sort of fully post me too as well, and i think it's going to be a lot harder for him to caricature and paint harris in the ways that he was able to caricature and paint hillary

clinton. >> rev, it's chris jansing. you and i were sitting on set together last night after this news broke. we talked to congresswoman beaty who was talking about this big call that was happening among any number of black women's groups from sororities to activist groups. when she said, i think we could get as many as 20,000 to 30,000 people on that call, i said, what, 20,000 to 30,000? it ended up 44,000. we know that black women haven't been a bulwork for the democratic party. we know it was the black vote that made joe biden president. does it play -- does the black vote and the energizing of black women play a different role, maybe even a bigger and more critical role this year if kamala harris does, indeed, end up at the top of the ticket as it appears? >> i think they will play a critical role because they understand that they've had to carry the burden, as she has

had, and that is racism and mysogony from some black men. we had more problems with black men, elected officials, than anyone else. >> i can interrupt you for a second, rev, because we have all these reporters out in battleground. one asked today, a black man, his reaction to kamala harris, and his concern was whether america was ready for a black woman president. >> and my answer to that is america wasn't ready for us to leave the plantation, america wasn't ready for us to come from the back of the bus. it's when we get ready, america moves forward. america wasn't ready for barack obama. donald trump said he wasn't even a real america. he was born in kenya. he was going to produce this birth certificate he never produced. so, the question is not is

america ready, the question is, are we ready? and if we're ready, we will bring the country where it needs to be brought to. >> lydia, the conventional wisdom is kamala harris needs somebody that will shore up her weaknesses and the talk has been a lot about needing a white man from a red state or a swing state. is that conventional wisdom powerful today? i mean, does it have to be a white guy or can it be another woman? if it is another woman, what does that mean for all the women in this country who marched after donald trump, won the election, and were so angry about how he treated hillary clinton and how the electoral college treated hillary clinton. let's remember, she won the popular vote. you're talking about it being post me too. do you think it has changed enough for there to be two women on a major ticket?

>> i think that anything is possible. it's, indeed -- i can contemplate a ticket that's harris/whitmer that's really exciting to me. the reality is every single presidential ticket has diversity in it. the vp pick in modern times is a diversity pick. donald trump picked mike pence because he was an evangelical christian and donald trump was not an evangelical christian with any sort of credibility. the reality is there's absolutely nothing wrong in kamala harris picking a white man from a swing state as her running mate. it's not a reflection of her weakness. it reflects she's taking this seriously as any other presidential candidate and trying to build the strongest ticket she possibly can. that means having racial, geographic, gender, all kinds of diversity so you can appeal to as many people as possible. >> such a good point. lydia, thank you.

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