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your life. next up, special coverage and that starts now. hello and welcome to msnbc headquarters for special coverage on this very big night. we are very excited to have you. everybody you don't see here now will be here in seconds. along with us. nicolle wallace, joy reed, the whole team is here. the whole clown car has been unloaded. do you care about politics? do you have any feelings about who you would prefer to win the next election? who would be a better or worse choice as the next president of the united states? if you do have those feelings, what are you planning on doing about it this year?

if you are going to do something about those feelings you may have about politics, you know, time is short. were you actually planning on doing something or just watching? yesterday, something happened that made a lot of people here that sound a lot louder than they were hearing it. before yesterday, the biden harris re-election campaign was getting nationwide, each day, a couple hundred calls a day of people saying they wanted to volunteer for the campaign. 300 people signing up each day to volunteer for the campaign. yesterday the campaign says that they signed up 28,000 people her volunteers. 28,000 people signed up to volunteer for the campaign in one day. 100 times the previous amount.

in the 24 hours since he announced that he will pass the torch to his vice president, look at what has happened to the funding. one of the super pacs is called future forward. they are a big one. they had $122 million of cash on hand which is big. that was before yesterday. on top of the $122 million, they had cash on hand. they received hundred $50 million in brand-new pledge dollars. which raises money online for democrats up and down the ticket. they took in $93 million in one day. from small donations. the harris campaign says that in one day the hall was $81 million just for the campaign. $81 million for the campaign in

one day. clear majority of that was from people that were giving money for the first time in this election. 40,000 people that gave yesterday for the first time signed up to make their donations recurring for the duration of the campaign. the new york times described this as a record-breaking showing as democrats walked with one of the greatest gushers of cash of all time. indeed, believed to be the single largest day of fundraising by any candidate for any office in american history. incredibly the republican party's nearest post to that is that they had a great day of fundraising. the best day of fundraising on the day of the candidate that was convicted on 34 felony charges. she did not have to commit any

felonies at all to do it. in the real world of real politics there is no question now that kamala harris will be the democratic nominee for president up against donald trump in november. kamala harris spoke and thanked the campaign staff which is now the harris for president campaign staff. she wanted them to stay on and run the harris campaign as well. then she showed in word and deed that there will be differences. >> as many of you know before i

was elected as vice president i was the attorney general as i mentioned of california of the courtroom processes. in those roles, i took on perpetrators of all kinds. predators that abused women. fraudsters that ripped off consumers. cheaters that broke the rules for their own game. hear me when i say, i note donald trump's game. >> joe biden has covid and is isolating a home. he phoned in over the p.a. system. kind of like the opening bit from charlie's angels. and they get their assignments.

there are lots of different ways to do these counts. kamala harris has already had pledges from over 1000 delegates that she will need in order to lock up the nomination. the law firm where holder is a partner took on the task of the running options for vice president. there are endorsements from major democrats all day. including former house speaker nancy pelosi. they also rolled out major endorsements from the labor union and many more. we will speak to the firebrand leader, sean payne.

our eyes are on the other side of the aisle where republicans are very deeply unhappy with this change on the ticket of the democratic side. mike johnson is threatening to bring a lawsuit for some reason. he will try and sue the democrats into not making this change. the heritage foundation saying they want to bring lawsuits to stop vice president harris from becoming the nominee somehow. we will be speaking with kim alberta who is reporting that there is a canopy rising wave of regret on the republican side. regret within the trump campaign that they did not plan for a change in the campaign like this. specifically, there is buyers remorse that they picked the unknown hard right weird tech bro, g dave -- jd vance. the

best thing in terms of electability was the money that he brought with him. with kamala harris just brought in more money in one day than any candidate has ever raised in the history of the united states. if that was the one straight ahead benefit of jd vance , today feels like a different day. trump campaign officials are acknowledging that the selection of jd vance was something of a luxury. meaning that he will not persuade a single swing voter. before yesterday, they did not think they would need to persuade anyone. a whole new day today. we will be joined by u.s. transportation secretary pete

buttigieg. first, let's start here, lawrence, you came off the boat, you are here on the land. >> let's have the cameras sneak around and see the boat. kamala harris has had the single best first day of any presidential candidate in history. the best second day in history of any presidential candidate. and has very quickly snuffed out this dream that was being thrown around by the people that are very eager to get joe biden off the ticket. this is been a dream for a better part of a year. we can have an exciting convention where this could be a contested nomination. there are times in the editorial where joe biden used the word exciting. every time i saw those words, i

was thinking chaos as the other alternative. indeed, the new york times used the word chaos to describe, right away in the headline, the condition that they eagerly waited to get to hear. >> can i interject just for a moment? i love the new york times. the editorial page on this issue was a megaphone on a repeat that biden must get out, but in as soon as he gets out, it's chaos. it's so terrible. i don't know what's going on at the new york times, the editorial position is so confident while simultaneously being internally contradictory and ridiculous. i've so much respect for the new york times. they are on a planet somewhere

else. >> i say this whenever i criticize the times. the best newspaper that is available to us. even on their bad days. one of the things that the times did not know, until i had to reveal it on television. is a fact in political media. after the clients peace came out urging biden to step aside, none of them knew that the money could only go to kamala harris. they are throwing out this idea that the biggest understanding about something that everyone knows is the most important element in political campaigns. money. none of them knew anything about that. they have learned, gradually. i was not countering their arguments. i was just pointing out all the things you didn't know. including the massive

structural advantage that kamala harris will have. on the extreme reluctance of anybody who wants to run against her. throwing out these names of people including gretchen whitner after she said that she would not do it. they could not believe that not everyone would want to get this nomination. which would be if it was anyone other than kamala harris, received as the worst way to run for president. >> i was thinking when we are looking at the fundraising numbers today, you are my money adviser on these things. i feel like there is so much attention to the eccentric right-wing billionaire sticking around trump. >> not just with big-money donors. they are giving more to this campaign which is 10 million.

yesterday, $50 million. not from three people, four people, from scores of americans. every vote counts. i want to make a point about chaos. chaos is going to ensue. i'm looking for the chaos. two points that you can look at, when joe biden was running last time, all of these primary candidates bobbing their heads around. and then over the course of one weekend, poof, he became the candidate. he spent the last few days panicking, it took some time, it was painful. one swift move, joe biden makes the announcement. look at the endorsements that have come in over the last 24 hours. >> exactly. the consolidation of the democratic party, the opposite

of chaos. there are many candidates trying to get their hand in. whenever that moment was. joe manchin, you're right. democrats, if you want to say something about democratic policies. nobody else is jumping in. to have the consolidations of endorsements and the clarity that it will be harris, to have this huge surge of energy optimism and organizing. >> it is big and all the animals got under it. to be the smartest thing that she has done in the last 36 hours is go to the headquarters in delaware. for a couple of reasons. i talked to a lot of the staff there and it is really hard. they are reeling from the last

36 hours. she said, i love you guys, i love joe biden, i will win this thing that is incredibly important. she gave them some direction. she also did a stunt feature. most of the american public is not seen that. you played a lip of it there that a lot of people watching were like, yes, i was waiting for that. she has done versions of that. people have not seen it. it was very understandable. you know what, i will spend a week picking my vice president. i will see you guys in a few weeks. she did not do that. that's one of the smartest things that she has done. >> one of the data points being shown as he was deliberating to stay in the race was the drag down the ballot. what we are seeing are the numbers that stand out to me. this is democrats up and down.

this is not 1968 by a long shot. this will get nasty and brutal. 105 days to go. it is undeniable that this move is reinvigorating the party and has brought into sharp focus and declared to the nation that the democratic party sees trump as an existential threat. that will serve the party well up and down the ballot. the presidency is important and so is the house and so is the senate. i should not be ignored. >> we are already seeing in campaign events, the senate candidates sprinting towards harris, not just endorsing, planning events. that will not happen with kamala harris. >> if they want to talk about it, we will see them on our

network with regularity. this could be a big moment for them. that should be heartwarming for people that care about democracy. >> in 1972 when he had to drop the nominee after the convention. now it is as if they found a great one, someone who has a certain amount of prominence. this is a chaos situation. it feels desperately chaotic and helpless. the sensation of that was a sinking feeling. this started 20 minutes after joe biden made his announcement yesterday has been a surging feeling. all of the credit for the first two days. the seamless transition in the campaign that has never occurred before as happened and is entirely thanks to joe biden. the way that he managed

yesterday. he made the earth shattering announcement that goes around the world. if you 20 minutes and then tells you, this is what we should do. kamala harris should be our candidate. full endorsement. you just watch all of the endorsement energy going towards her from other people. they don't want to be the last ones on. those who have a political future get on soon. you see the money surge. david hogg said that by the end of the day he had raised $250,000 from contributors all under her. an incredible surge of energy because of the way that joe biden orchestrated yesterday. >> 20,000 volunteers put themselves forward in one day. a big pitch. 28,000 people stood up and volunteered themselves. nicolle wallace, you have been covering this throughout the course of the day. the 24 hours of kamala harris

at the top of the ticket. >> i am often on the air when vice president harris has a live event and we have been taping them almost every time that there has been one. taping alive. she has been electric on the campaign trail. she has always been a superb candidate. over the last 3.5 weeks, there was a feeling that she was carrying the emotional weight. that was all in the public view today. i was on the air when the president called and and she came out and acknowledged him after addressing the campaign. we love the bidens. and he said, i'm watching you, kid, i love you. contrast that with jd vance . donald trump's vice president, he did not love him and called him the t word and left him to be hung by his own supporters.

you have to craft through the ad agency or speech. there are so many political ad makers and speechwriters. the best way to communicate is by showing people your story. the story that joe biden and vice president harris and whomever she picks as her running mate will be able to tell and they can show. this chemistry is electric, genuine, and real. rooted in something positive and forward-looking. when you go back and watch thursday night speech, we all lost a year of our lives for those 11 hours, no, it was only two. watch that speech and then watch the speech that harris gave today. i agree with alex, it will be ugly because the core of the republican party is fear-based. it will feel like a righteous

campaign. on the side of the pro- democracy coalition which now owes joe biden and kamala harris all of their efforts. all of their work. the one that joe biden made yesterday at 1:46 p.m. >> you have been invoked. i know you've been covering this over the course of the day. what is your reaction? >> it was amazing. i will amplify. what you see is a genuine partnership. they are a real partnership. the handover from president biden to vice president harris, there is chaos in the party. that is the president's job, to

take the chaos and organize and make it productive. president biden shows why he picked her and why it was smart to pick her. he not only called the chaos but created an electrifying result. i was on that call last night. it was from 1:16 in the morning. these are people that gave $13. they are empowered. i have not seen that kind of energy since 2008. donald trump who picked his running mate because tucker carlson liked him and made the biggest mistake in modern political history. they will send him running to the party of the future. >> that is the fifth time, the energy from 2008. you're not hearing it from

anyone that is picking a particular metric. talking about the energy on the democratic side and the enthusiasm. thanks to both of you, we will be back old with you. joining us exclusively is the transportation secretary. a personal catastrophe from the biden administration. thank you for being here, were glad for the chance to talk to you. >> thank you so much for having me on. please just call me pete. >> let me just ask you personally what these last few days have been like for you.

the president said that he endorses her as well. what has your few days been like? >> it has been an extraordinary few days. i was on a plane. making our way back home to michigan after appearing with vice president harris on saturday. after supporting the biden here is ticket. everyone was stunned by the news and was stunned by the president doing what he has done time and time again to put the country first. it is important to note how rare it is for the most powerful person in the world to set aside that power. that is only happened a handful of times. especially doing it in the interest of the country in the

interest of the party. and making clear that he will keep doing his job as president doing what is the most productive and beneficial presidencies in american history. and was then moved even more to see him support vice president harris, i reach out to her yesterday afternoon and wanted to let her know right away that i was going to do the same. i have campaigned alongside her. i have served with her. she will be an extraordinary leader for the country and as a president. >> having that kind of relationship as a member of the cabinet yourself, someone has come up in parallel fashion in the last few years in the democratic party, regarded as the nomination that was won by president biden, do you have anything to explain to the country and viewers about what

to expect that will be different for the campaign led by president harris as opposed to the campaign we were seeing from president biden? they are good partners to one another. unified in this moment. the mutual appreciation and love today. how should we expect this campaign to be different? >> we are going to see consistency in terms of the values and direction that she has been a part of this historically affected administration. a focus on making sure that government is working and taking the side of people like my neighbors in michigan. people trying to get through their lives. a strong emphasis on the middle class. coupled with a continued focus on making sure we don't allow somebody like donald trump who

has always acted to favor wealthy people like him to say nothing about the threat to democracy. what is different is a different messenger, a different leader that has worked closely with president biden and has a lot of consistency with president biden and represents a different generation. a different style. we heard her talk about how in her background as a prosecutor, part of what she did was defend the public from people that ran scams at for-profit universities, people that were responsible for sexual assault and people like donald trump. we heard this positive vision. this energizing vision. we have the tv on in our kitchen as she addressed to the campaign staff in wilmington. just as we are putting the mac & cheese out for our son and daughter. it was amazing when my daughter who is about to be three and said, what's that?

i had good response as i said, that is kamala harris, she's going to be the next president. >> when you endorsed vice president harris, you said you would do all you can to help her win. will you serve as vice president she asked you to? >> if she's going to make that decision, it's what is best for the party and best for the ticket. i'll do everything in my power to make sure that she has that support. because it is so important. it is important in terms of how everyday life will be changed. another important thing that will come from the extraordinary decision and sacrifices that are made. an opportunity to really refocus this campaign on what it means for people around america. we will talk about kamala harris and her extraordinary leadership, we'll talk about donald trump and his unfitness

for office and kamala harris and his inability to show any of his beliefs in a durable way. most of this campaign will not be about them. it will be about the american people. this is a chance to bring their home. i'm excited to be out there on the trail whenever there is an opportunity to remind people that they already agree with kamala harris and democrats and disagree with donald trump on issue after issue after issue on taxes, gun safety, and a woman's right to choose. >> i don't want to make this weird, if she asked, you are saying you would not say no? >> we are not in that mode right now. we are on the second day since the president made his decision. i trust her. few people in the country know more about the vice presidency and about the weight of that

decision than she does and i very much trust her to make a choice that makes sense for her and is ready for the party and ready for the country. >> pete buttigieg. it's a pleasure to have you with us. i appreciate you taking the time. >> thanks for having me on. >> is that weird. >> listen for the word no, you will not hear the word no from anyone. >> gretchen whitmer said no. she will not serve as vice president. she's the only person that said no. but that was not a no. >> that's the question. that's how anyone who is asked the question feels. of course he should be considered to be on the list. people who will be considered and should be. it's very important to have a

battleship game like this. the most important question is not in my view. who knows. the electoral vote. it is who is the person that president harris, sitting at whatever task it is, wants to call and say this is a hard decision, what do you think? the other piece of it before then, 105 days between now and the election. it's very short. you can't have someone who has no profile and no charisma. someone who can go out there and do events on their own. for me, it's an all-star list of people. >> that is what we needed to happen last week with donald trump you either love or hate jd vance . he's not going to win once ingle voter that donald trump does not already have in his pocket. from the lineup, what we are

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that photo. senator cory booker. are you doing? >> great, how are you? >> you are not just former colleagues, you are very good friends with the vice president. have you had a chance to speak with her at all over the last 30 hours? >> you are going to embarrass me, we missed each other last night. i kept getting text messages from her staff. i've not talked to her yet. >> that's not embarrassing. >> i'm very excited. my mom said, you should be available when the vice president calls. >> let me ask you, there is so much in your history. you served alongside harris on the judiciary committee. a front row seat for an incredibly effective

questioning. donald trump has been backing off of the debate here. there should be a debate. she should debate. tell me about that skill set and how it will translate to the debate stage. >> i got a chance to sit next to her during the most important hearings. donald trump and his cabinet and the supreme court justices and more. she does an extraordinary job preparing, knowing her material backwards and forwards and has a way of getting to the heart of the matter. the soon to be attorney general bar, talking to him about reproductive rights. she had a way of exposing the absurdity of the administration

i was determined to do everything it could to undermine women's reproductive rights. there will be a massive amount of backlash dealing with someone like donald trump has been able to get away even more with behavior analyze and really, somebody pressing is hard. his failures on his criminal activity. >> she gave a speech today at campaign headquarters. something you have not seen before, how she is going to prosecute the case. you played a role in actually encouraging her to run for senate. something we heard many years ago. since getting to know her, you know her well, what do the american people see from her personally and over the next 105 days. >> she is the vice president

dutifully supporting joe biden. the best president i have had in my lifetime when it comes to delivering things. at the same time, i am excited for her truth, her hearts, her character. someone who passionately cares about people, especially people that are overlooked or looked down upon. the moral compass that is unwavering. these are things that we need in a president. she is strong, she is tough, she has some of joe biden's superpower and compassion and grace. this will be a wonderful 106 days. america will discover more things about her. what i've seen in the last 24 hours, she has set a record for both parties being the presidential candidate that has raised the most money in a 24

hour period ever. what a volcanic eruption there has been in many ways, a hunger for this kind of next- generation kind of candidate. somebody who represents her hopes and aspirations. somebody who has the leadership ability to deliver on them. america wants to turn the page and start moving towards a new generation of hope. that is exciting for a lot of people. more people get on board. 60% of donors have not been involved in the 2024 cycle. it's amazing how many people she will get off the sidelines and to help us win. >> the last 30 hours have been historic. every democrat i talked to is extremely energized. we did know earlier, that this will be a very tough election. i want to ask you about all of

the sexist and racist attacks coming from donald trump. it is going to pick up. part of it is to cut her down. part of it is the idea that the country is not ready to elect an african-american woman. how should the campaign and people out there who are worried about that, how should they be responding to these attacks? >> you called them as they are. this is about the american people. who's going to deliver for kitchen table economics. lowering the cost of healthcare. who will hope for a better future for our young people? job training and who it is and reproductive rights. what is rolled back by the supreme court. keeping the focus not on the

kinds of slurs and misogyny we can experience. it not about what they say about us, it's about how much we show up every day relentlessly to tell her truth. we as a party are bigger than a party. the democratic party at its best is a party of we are not me. the party of inclusion and not exclusion. restored diversity, women's rights, civil rights. it's also the party of labor and unions. these are the kinds of things that america really wants. you can see trump and his nominee trying to distort the truth of project 2025 and with union leaders speaking and trying to pretend that they are something they are not. the american people want to be united around administration. focused on american acklin -- excellence and making sure we are seen and valued and that is

something that kamala harris will do as president of the united states. >> always an uplifting message, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me, it's great to be on. >> that vice president harris has the superpower that joe biden has. joe biden superpower is that he believes he's right and is underestimated. the other being his empathy. his means of connecting with people through the television screen and the mediating forces that the president has available to him and one on one when he's looking at people eye to eye is empathy. to identify that in vice president harris is right, that's true about her. that's a big part of why joe biden picked her in the first place, that was the important

value and characteristic that they shared. lots of good politicians have other things that they don't have that. >> can i also say, i'm said that he did not mention that she can cut an onion. >> they are really close. corey, this is how you do it. she is a legit cook. if you got her started, she will talk to you about it. cooking is a formal love. and generosity. leave your notes in the comments. next, reporting on how the trump campaign has a little bit of buyer's remorse over there choice to add a jd vance to the ticket. we will lock that in. joe biden changed everything. the reporter that broke that developing story will join us

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full's day of campaigning. these headlines a few days apart. from tim alberta from the atlantic magazine. earlier this month he published this important piece. the result of months of reporting from inside the camp pain. he is campaigning for a landslide win. his campaign is all but praying that joe biden does not drop out. a couple weeks ago. today, here is his latest piece that joe biden did drop out and endorsed kamala harris. this is exactly what the team feared. optimized to beat joe biden must be reinvented. in the new political world that has cracked open in the last day and a half, there is a specific regret bubbling in trump world, that a far right freshman senator no one has really heard of was created in a lab by tech billionaires

opposed to democracy and women having the right to vote, maybe that guy was not the ideal choice to be donald trump's vice president pick. republicans have this thing in the bag. tim alberta writing that the most striking thing i've heard from allies was the second- guessing of jd vance . a selection that they acknowledged was born of cockiness. and a blowout instead of persuading voters in a nailbiter. >> i was struck by that particular line. joining me is tim alberta. i would love it if you could please elaborate on the buyers remorse in the campaign around jd vance . and also seeing that

you have a magic eight ball that none of us possess , what kind of residential pick is team trump most concerned about as nominee harris is making her deliberation? >> good evening, this is a really good question. let me take the first part about buyers remorse. that is overstating it. i don't see anybody having a meltdown inside of trump hq at this point. certainly, what i have detected over the last 24 hours is a little bit of second-guessing in a little bit of counterfactual that everyone is thinking about here, if you place the selection of jd vance in the context of the last couple of months, donald trump was always operating on a parallel track thinking about his running mate. he was thinking about a vanilla

nonconfrontational caretaker type, can provide reassurance to voters that were on the fence about him and that is where doug burgum was really appealing. on the other track, it was the thought of picking someone who was bold, someone ideology uncle and someone who can be heir apparent to the empire and that is where donald trump became enamored with the idea of picking jd vance . what i was told, for much of the campaign, he was really leaning in the first direction towards a doug burgum like candidate. it's not coincidental that as the campaign more recently over the last six weeks or so, as the campaign really felt like it was pulling away and getting into a position not to just to joe biden, but blow him out and have the senate be in a position to really pass

dramatic governing agendas that they had never been able to accomplish in the first term, that is when trump really began to convince himself and people around him that we could go with someone like jd vance . with biden getting out and the race real setting in this way there is second-guessing. if in fact jd vance isn't able to piece together a more competent campaign and take this down to the wire with drum, they will think to themselves, can jd vance really help us with suburban swing voters that are on the fence in the way that someone else could have? to that same point, this is where kamala harris is the nominee and her selection of a running mate will be significant. i can tell you that they are especially worried about mark kelly from arizona and john

shapiro from pennsylvania. both of those gentlemen are able to put into play a battleground state where folks were confident this had been taken off the map. jd vance doubles down on the core strengths of trump. ohio is already in the bag. he has appeal in other states. frankly, trump people 48 hours ago were talking about expanding the math and playing in virginia, minnesota, new hampshire, running up the electoral score. at this point now, they recognize that if kamala harris gets her act together to unify the democratic party, and if she adds someone to the ticket, suddenly that map is contracting back down and trump is playing defense in the states that he thought were already put away.

>> there will be a lot more reporting that needs to be done. i will look to you to do it. what is happening inside the campaign that was optimized around joe biden. tim alberta, thank you for your reporting. rachel? >> we are lucky that he is embedded in that campaign and develop those relationships before all of this happened so that we can see through him the way they have reacted to it. it's fascinating. >> deep inside the campaign, the bengalis of the operation. >> if you are joining us, 9:00 p.m. eastern time, thank you for being with us having made two public appearances today for the first time since president biden left his reelection bid to her, effectively, stepping down from his effort to achieve a second term and instead endorsing her

in that time. we've seen this remarkable consolidation of support for her in the democratic party, and also an incredible wave of energy and honestly money, fundraising from donors large and small trying to build her campaign into what looks like is going to be a juggernaut effort against donald trump and j.d. vance. her first public appearance today was at an event at the white house with ncaa athletes. her second appearance was in delaware at campaign headquarters. it was an interesting dynamic there, because she gave a little bit of a stump speech, a little bit of a pep talk to the gathered staff. but so did president biden. president biden not there in person. he is still isolating at home in delaware with covid. but he appeared at that event sort of virtually or audibly and said this. >> i know yesterday's news is surprising and it's hard for you

to hear, but it was the right thing to do. i know it's hard because you poured your heart and soul into me to help us win this thing, help me get this nomination. the name has changed at the top of the ticket, but the mission hasn't changed at all. so i'm hoping you'll give every bit of your heart and soul that you gave to me, to kamala. >> president joe biden appearing effectively on speakerphone at his campaign headquarters today, still isolating with covid. though we have learned since we've been on the air tonight that president biden is due to leave delaware and return to the white house for the first time since his covid diagnosis as of tomorrow afternoon. we don't know what that means in terms of expected remarks from the president. we do expect that he will make some sort of speech after having made the announcement that he was abandoning his reelection effort via a paper statement that he posted online. well don't know when that speech will be. but again, president joe biden will be back at the white house we're told tomorrow afternoon. when he thanked his campaign

staff today for pouring their heart and soul into helping him win, he asked them to now transfer that to give the same to kamala harris. that transfer does appear to be happening basically at ever level of democratic politics, from the state parties which are one by one now pledging all of their delegates to vice president harris, all the way to congress where we are seeing just a flood of endorsements for her and only her, among the many endorsements for harris thus far is one that has just come from the congressional progressive caucus pac. the congressional progressive caucus pac saying, quote, kamala harris will defeat donald trump, not only because she offers a stronger economic vision, but because she will defend the fundamental rights and freedoms that maga republicans are attacking across the nation. congresswoman pramila jayapal.

>> welcome, congresswoman jayapal. thank you for joining us. i do want to jump in on that exact point. progressive democrats, the progressive caucus really i think surprised a lot of people by standing so firmly with president biden as so many other groups were pushing him to exit the race. the progressives stuck with him. so tell me the level of excitement about this shift and his handover to vice president harris. >> well, joy, it's great to see you, as always. look, i think that the progress i caucus has been president biden's largest bloc of votes through his whole build back better agenda, that whole first two years, and everything we got done, we saw president biden lay out something that was really remarkable, a progressive economic vision that lifts up working people, that taxes the wealthiest, that makes sure that no matter who you are, no matter what your income is, no matter what your race, no matter where you are in the country, you have

opportunity. and i think that was really a huge effort for all of us to come together and to help get those things done. and so, yes, there is a lot of loyalty to president biden. i also think there were concerns. it wasn't like everybody was completely on the same page. but you can't just look at who the nominee needs to be in isolation. you need to look at all of the past. so i never believed that we should be having that conversation in public. i thought we should be having it in private, but what happened, happened. now i think what you have seen is a remarkable coming together now that president biden has made that decision to step away to endorse kamala harris. there was just an incredible level of excitement and support for her because she is the candidate that was actually voted for, just like president biden was, by millions of people across the country. delegates voted for the biden-harris ticket. and so they know her, and they know that she is a part of

president biden's agenda as well as the past agenda as well as the 100-day agenda that he's laid forward that he spoke about in detroit. she is obviously going to put her stamp on that. but i think we all feel very comfortable that she is going to be able to build that same fragile coalition that we had in 2020 with progressives, with swing voters, with women, black, brown, young people. there is really that energy now. so i'm just really proud to be all in for her. as i said when she called me yesterday, right after the president made his announcement, i'm one thousand percent in. we've got to win, this and she is the one that is uniquely capable of prosecuting in every sense of the word, donald trump on our rights, on our freedoms, and presenting that working class agenda, that agenda for poor people that is really going to mobilize people to know how their life will change when kamala harris is president of the united states.

>> so congresswoman, i wanted to pick a couple of those issues. we know there was obviously a lot of hard work that the progressive caucus did with the president. one of the issues that there was a divide on was obviously israel-gaza. the gaza conflict has been a source of consternation for many younger voters, and it kind of started to peel them away from him. kamala harris got a much better reception on college campuses around that issue. her presentation seemed to be less divisive. we've now seen that she will not be in -- sitting in the well of the house when prime minister benjamin netanyahu gives his address. she will not be there. she will be in indianapolis presenting to the zeta phi beta sorority. she's going meet with prime minister netanyahu, as will 2 president, but she is not going to be there. that is a big kind of deal. i've heard from a lot of palestinian americans, and some

who are in an activist role who say they feel relieved that she will be the head of the ticket because it actually reopens the door for some of those voters who were turned away on that issue. what do you make of that? >> i think that's absolutely rite. i had an opportunity to speak with the vice president when she was in seattle a couple of weeks ago about israel-gaza. we spent about 45 minutes talking about it. and i do think she has a deep empathy for the situation of palestinian americans that's more natural to her. i also think she is hearing from a lot of black clergy. as you know, joy, this is one of the big issues in the black community is this war. and i think there is some real resonance with the palestinian niam a very different way. obviously she doesn't have joe biden's long history with netanyahu. she was not on the senate foreign relations committee for all those decades, things that shaped him on that issue.

and i think that she shown time and time again that she is able to call for a ceasefire, for example, to talk about the plight of women, palestinians, women who are being killed, the fact that 85% of children in gaza have not had food for over a day in many cases. so i think these are things that she feels very comfortable talking about, and i think there is a new opportunity to appeal to, and i'm not saying it will be easy. but i do think there is a new opportunity to appeal to muslim voters, to young voters, to arab-american voters, to black voters, to labor voters. these are all folks who care about this issue and think that benjamin netanyahu has basically done everything to stop any kind of a ceasefire or peace agreement. and so i think that's a huge opportunity. and i think she is going to be able to really shift the calculus on this.

>> congresswoman pramila jayapal, i'm going have to have you come back. i want to talk to you about the aapi community's reaction to her, because all of my friends who are indian american are losing their minds because she is also part of the community. >> so excited. i'm telling people how to pronounce her name. it's kamala. and it means lotus. >> i'm telling you, all the aunties in the aapi community are going wild. "journal of the american medical association," congresswoman, thank you very much. back to you, rachel. >> that was excellent. the first time i mispronounced then senator harris -- no, i think she was then attorney general harris' name, i got like 17 calls from friends, 15 of whom were indian american just think kama, kama. your mnemonic is kama. never forget it again. it is burned into me. over these last few weeks of sturm und drang in the democratic party other what was going to happen with the

democratic ticket, one of the sharp oshs of this president is that president biden keeps the circle around him tight. joe biden has been in politics a very, very long time. he has held on to key advisers for a long time, held on to key staff for a long time. over long portions of that long record, he's had the same people very near to him, and that creates an intense circle of trust around him that is nevertheless small. one of the biden lifers who has been a key man, particularly in this phase of his career, in this administration is ron klain, long-time adviser and former chief of staff to president biden. and ron joins us now live. mr. klain, it's really nice of you to be here with us tonight. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> first, let me ask you about the president's health. i know you've been in touch with him. he is -- he has covid. we've heard from the president's

physician that he has finished his course of paxlovid and he is doing better. can you tell us anything about how he is doing? >> well, i'm not a doctor, but i talked to him today. he sounded better, and very excited about the vice president's campaign and excited about calling into that event in wilmington. and coming back to washington and when the time is right, getting out on the campaign trail on her behalf. he is very fired up about her race. >> his voice sounded strong, i have to say, phoning into that event. which i was happy to hear. and then when we got the news that he is going to be back at the white house tomorrow, that seems additionally like further good news. all that said, and i hear the sort of confidence and sort of optimism in your voice, this has to have been a searing few days, particularly sunday, particularly yesterday for the president. how -- what can you tell us about how difficult this was for him personally and the level of confidence he had in the decision once he decided he was going to do it?

>> well, look, the president is a fighter. he wanted to fight to win this election. and he was -- had been out on the trail since the debate i thought very effectively in north carolina and michigan, doing a press conference after the nato summit and wanted to fight and win this campaign. but i think he came to the conclusion it wasn't possible. he has a tremendous degree of confidence in vice president harris. he obviously endorsed her in the statement he withdrew from the ration and has gone all in on her behalf, as all of us have. i think the american people saw today she is going to be a great person. the person who was her next-door neighbor in the west wing for the last two years, she will be a great president. she is ready to do this job. she'll do great on the campaign trail. she'll do great in the oval office next year. >> ron, how much effort, planning, forethought sort of gaming things out was done about trying to make this a smooth transition, trying to make this

what my colleague lawrence o'donnell earlier described as a seamless transition. the statement that came out from president biden yesterday at 1:46 p.m. eastern initially did not include the endorsement. less than a half hour later, he then sent out a second state unequivocally and clearly endorsing vice president harris that set off a remarkable consolidation and wave of energy in the democratic party that has very clearly established that she will be the nominee. and nobody is obviously come out and said that they should be the nominee instead. how much of that was natural and organic. how much that of was orchestrated, was planned, was gamed out in advance? >> i think it was almost all natural organic. today loves the vice president. his first decision was to pick her to be his running mate. that means he believes she was the right person to take over if he couldn't. he worked with her for the past

three years saw her in action, saw the advice sle gave, the work on capitol hill to help pass this agenda that you and congresswoman jayapal were talking about. joy reid and congresswoman jayapal were talking about before. she has been a partner in getting all this done. his support for her is natural. and look, the reality is she is the only person other than joe biden to get 80 million votes in this country. this is not some kind of coordination. she is the product of a popular process that put her in the vice presidency, and she is the choice of i think the democratic voters and we'll see that as this process unfolds, and people saw her campaign today. she is a great campaigner. and i think it's absolutely natural that people rally behind her. >> ron, today the dnc chairman jaime harrison announced that the party will deliver a presidential nominee by august 7th, which means there is not going to be any choosing a nominee at the convention. this is not going to be 1968. in establishing the plans, setting out the rules memo about

how this is going the happen, it seems pretty clearly that this is going to be not only chaotic, but an orderly fashion that's within the rules as everybody understands them. as far as the dnc is handling this, the plan to do a virtual nomination, a virtual roll call ahead of the convention itself, does that all seem right to you? obviously there are different ways they could have approached this. is this the right approach from the party? >> it is the right approach, rachel. first of all, it is finishally the same as doing it at the convention. they'll vote early. why vote early? so we can make sure that vice president harris' name is on the ballot in all 50 states. our convention is unusually late this year because of the timing of the republican convention, the timing telephone olympics, it's unusually late. as a result, to make sure she is on the ballot in all 50 states, we need to confirm the party's nominee before the early august deadlines in a handful of states, particularly in ohio where there has been all kinds

of chicanery in the state of ohio. being careful about it, it doesn't change the outcome. the delegates still vote. they're going to vote by using a different mechanism than they would in chicago. same people, same votes, same delegates, same way of chooing a nominee, just a couple of days early to make sure our candidate is on the ballot in all 50 states. >> one last question for you, ron, what should we expect from president biden in campaigning with his vice president? this is an unusual circumstance where you have effectively a reelection campaign with the incumbent president in what will be a supporting role on the campaign. what will that look like? what should we expect from the two of them in terms of joining forces in terms of trying to win in november? >> look, i think this is her campaign. people are going to want to see her out there bringing the message like she did today in wilmington. i think the president will joinler when that's helpful and effective and whenever she asks. he has a job to do. he'll do that first and foremost. he'll be out there just like president obama campaigned in the closing days of the 2020

election for president biden, just like there was some appearances by president clinton on behalf of vice president gore in 2000. so i think it will be the same kind of thing we've seen in the past that when it's the time and the place and it's effective and helps rally voters, she'll ask him to come out on the campaign and he'll do it. he can make a very strong case for her. he has worked with her every day these four years. he has seen how effective she, and feels very strongly about her election. so he'll be out there with full voice and full throat, telling voters what he knows, that this is a person who is a great candidate for president and will be a great president next year. >> president biden's former white house chief of staff ron klain. ron, thank you so much for your time tonight. i'm sure you haven't slept in a few weeks. i really appreciate you being here with us tonight. thank you. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> all right. since last night, kamala harris has been piling up endorsements from the major labor unions in the country. incredibly important constituency in this country in democratic politics, one where the republican party is trying

to make a play with the notable exception of the united autoworkers union, a lot of labor unions have already come out and endorsed kamala harris. now uaw previously endorsed joe biden. we're going to speak with the president of the uaw about that next. we've also got minnesota senator amy klobuchar who is going to be joining us here on set. we have so much to get to. stay with us. thanks for being here with us for this special coverage. we'll be right back. tamra, izzy and emma... they respond to emails with phone-calls... and they don't "circle back" they're already there. they wear business sneakers and pad their keyboards with something that makes their clickety- clacking... clickety-clackier. but no one loves logistics as much as they do. you need tamra, izzy and emma. they need a retirement plan. work with principal so we can help you with a retirement

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the sacred right to organize. we are protecting the sacred right to organize because we know when unions are strong, america is strong. >> that was vice president kamala harris two months ago addressing the seiu, the service employees union, one of the biggest in the country. after president biden announced he would no longer seek reelection and endorsed vice president harris, seiu was one of the first big unions to announce their endorsement for kamala harris as well. since then there has been a wave of support for harris, with endorsements from big labor unions and labor groups including the american federation of teachers, the international brotherhood of electrical worker, the united farm workers, the amalgamated transunion, the united food and commercial workers international

union, communication workers of america, federation of state, county and municipal employees, america's largest federation of unions, the afl-cio, they have all come out explicitly in the last 30 hours and endorsed kamala harris for president of the united states. now one big important influential high profile union that has not explicitly endorsed kamala harris yet is the united autoworkers, the uaw. earlier this year, the uaw endorsed president biden after he became the first sitting president ever to walk a picket line with striking autoworkers. ever since the uaw's endorsement of joe biden, republican donald trump has been lashing out at the union and specifically at uaw president shawn fain. donald trump even made a weird non sequitur ad lib in his dissecuresive unending convention speech that shawn fain should be fired, and all the rnc delegates are we clapping for that? what is this? in a statement after joe biden's

announcement that he would no longer stand for reelection, the uaw made a point of saying this, quote, vice president kamala harris walked the picket line with us in 2019, and along with president biden has brought work and jobs back to communities like lordstown, ohio and belvedere, illinois. quote, the past forward is clear. we will defeat donald trump and his billionaire agenda and elect a champion for the working class to the highest office in this country. and that statement from uaw. jen psaki, over to you. >> all right. thank you so much, rachel. joining us now is united autoworkers president shawn fain. thank you so much for joining us this evening. so rachel just gave a very long list of all of the unions that have endorsed kamala harris, the vice president who is now going to be likely the nominee. the united auto workers is not on that list? are you ready to join that list and make an announcement tonight? >> so thank you for having us. and look, we have a process we

follow. let's be real. this last couple of weeks has been a very -- just a very emotional few weeks, and especially this last few days. you know, seeing president biden make a sacrifice for this nation. look, i got to tell you, it's a bittersweet moment. i love president biden. greatest president in my lifetime, the most pro labor president in my lifetime. and obviously he did the honorable thing. and think about that. i mean, can you ever imagine donald trump putting his ego aside and doing what's right for the country? it would never happen. with vice president harris, we have a process we follow. the membership put the international executive board in charge of this. and we're going to be discussing things over the next few days, and then we'll choose that path forward and we'll make announcements as we deem fit. you know, one thing i do know,

president biden, first president in history to join striking workers on a picket line. kamala harris was right there with us in 2019 when donald trump was president. you know where donald trump wasn't in 2019? he sure as hell wasn't on a picket line. >> no, no question about that. i traveled with president biden to visit union workers, and i know that the support and the response is really incredible. tell us a little bit. you said it's a couple of days maybe for this process. there a deadline or timeline we should anticipate? and what exactly is your executive committee looking for as they're considering this? because vice president harris was of course, it's the biden-harris agenda and everything they fought for are the things i assume they supported when they endorsed joe biden. >> so we're looking at a lot of things right now. we have our team looking at other people. not as -- i don't believe as presidential candidate, but other possible vice president candidates and things like that. look, we feel like we have an obligation to represent working class interests. when we meet and we have those

discussions with vice president harris' team, we want to have input and talk about what we're seeing and what we're hearing from our members and from our board. and so we're not going to rush in and just throw it out there. we want to have fruitful discussions when we meet. and i think it's important we do that. we owe that to them. >> absolutely. and let me ask you, i know there has ban lot of calls that have been happening. president biden, vice president harris, have you had a chance to speak with either of them over the last day and a half? >> unfortunately, i believe vice president harris tried to call me yesterday, and i was in the unfortunate situation with the airlines. a couple of flights were canceled. and when she did try to call i was in the air and could not take a call. we have reached out and expressed any time she is ready to talk, glad to talk with her and look forward to it. >> well, thank you so much, president of the united auto worker, shawn fain. we'll all be waiting to hear what happens with your endorsement process. really appreciate you joining us

tonight. back to you, rachel. >> thank you. >> you know, shawn fain, every time i've hosted shawn fain on my show before and i've talked a lot about united autoworkers and that remarkable strike effort that they had this year. i -- he agitates people in power so much in such exactly the way he wants to agitate them. i get -- the way he talks about economic issues, the way he talks about class, the way he talks about billionaires, the way he talks about the improper influence of money in politics so gets under the skin of people who feel entitled to say that they want to pick a bone, have a bone to pick. >> he doesn't it in a class warfare sort of way. he does it in a completely practical way, and you just can't wiggle out of it. >> he is a very, very, very effective union leader and a very influential figure in democratic politics. handy drives donald trump absolutely crazy. the fact that he mentioned him by name specifically, and it wasn't in trump's prepared

remarks, he ad-libbed an attack on shawn fain in his convention speech. >> yes, under his skin. and a very strange 90-minute speech that we all watched that included hannibal lector as well. he went after shawn fain. and what shawn fain did in response was issue a direct lengthy statement. he went after him on lordstown, ohio and not failing to deliver on his promise there. he went after him over and over and over again in his statement. that's the right way to take on a bully. that's the other thing for people to know. >> today donald trump went on to talk about who he was going to deliver for elon musk. donald trump in last three days said elon musk has given me $45 million a month. we got to make that guy happy. you know what elon musk doesn't like? auto unions. absolutely not. that's what tesla is known for. and it's why it was almost puzzling last week when you saw the head of the teamsters up there on the stage of the rnc. the audience was sort of yay, we want your vote, but we're anti-union. >> and the vice presidential

candidate saying we're for the working class, not for wall street. the cognitive dissonance from the top of the ticket to the second spot on the ticket is astounding. >> the real estate developer and the venture capital guy are obviously for the working man. >> that's why this campaign needs to educate the american voter, because in this age of misinformation, j.d. vance's spiel and donald trump saying i'm coming to your town and i'm working for you, kamala harris and her campaign need to show people what they are doing and what donald trump will not be doing. >> that's exactly right. still ahead tonight, we will speak with democratic senator amy klobuchar. she is going to be live here on set. we've got more ahead as our special coverage continues. stay with us. >> i am firsthand witness that every day our president, joe biden, fights for the american people. and we are deeply, deeply grateful for his service to our nation. [ applause ]

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tomorrow, vice president kamala harris will hit the road for her first campaign event since president biden has endorsed her to replace him at the top of the democratic ticket. we have just learned since we have been on the air tonight that the harris campaign will put vice president harris tomorrow afternoon in milwaukee, wisconsin. notably, the city that just last week hosted the republican national convention, where they clearly thought they had this thing in the bag.

surprise! this will be kamala harris' fifth campaign stop in wisconsin this year. this time it is likely to land a little bit different. joining us now here on set is our friend senator amy klobuchar. nice to see you. >> good see you, rachel. >> the last time we were here in person i had a coughing fit and you had to take over my show. >> you were on the floor and i kept talking. >> you kept talking so they could keep the camera on you while i fell on the floor coughing. >> i had layer about health care that no one knew existed. i just kept going. wow, rachel must really, to let you talk that long. in such detail. >> so what is your reaction to president biden's decision, both his decision to remove himself from consideration for reelection, but also his endorsement of vice president harris? >> well, first of all, he took the honorable path, and he did it with grace. and you think about his incredible career. and to me, it's not just the

legacy, which jen knows so well, the infrastructure of the bringing nato, making it stronger. most important to me, bringing back the rule of law, putting ketanji brown jackson on the supreme court, but it's also about moving forward. and for him, moving forward these next six months, but it's also passing the torch on to the next generation of leaders. i've had my own experience with him. i gave one of my first speeches on the senate floor. and it was about domestic violence. and the only time slot i could get, there was no one there, except maybe the pages. so i give this speech, and i get off the floor, and the phone rings. and i think oh, maybe it's my mom. no, my mom didn't even stay up to watch this. it was joe biden. >> wow. >> he was a senator, and he called and said hey, kid, really good job. and i noticed today when the vice president and who i believe will be the future president addressed the campaign crowd, he

said good job, kid. and it just reminded me of that role that he is playing and has played, and that's what you're going to see in these next few months of this campaign. and so many people he has fostered in their careers and their lives. i'm just really excited about this. and of course having run with both of them, i think you'd moderated one of the debates. >> indeed. >> the very cold debate. >> you were under event. it wasn't fair. you were colder than everybody else and it was moving your hair in a weird way. i'm sorry. >> and i was standing next to kamala in that debate. i think she is going to do a great job as a candidate and as a president. she is going to bring receipts to this. she has been on the world stage. she has made incredibly important decisions with the president that has gotten our country through this pandemic in a much stronger economic position. and i'm just looking forward to seeing her on the world stage. >> there are a lot of debates i think we're all looking forward to. you serve in the senate with j.d. vance as well.

and we know that from reporting in the atlantic from tim alberta that there might be a little bit of concern about j.d. vance maybe being too much of a own the libs choice to appeal to a broader section of the electorate, and especially now that the ticket has changed. what do you think the harris team should be looking for in a vice presidential nominee, especially when you think about it in the context of j.d. vance? >> well, i think it's going to be -- first of all, we got to get through our own process, big tent. i don't see many people emerging to run. but we're going to have to get through that. and at the same time, kamala harris is going to be picking a running mate. and i think it should be someone she trusts. should it be someone who augments her own skills, and someone who could step in and govern. and there is just incredible choices out there. so i think she'll pick someone good, and i think it will continue this theme of generational change. what i saw at their convention was kind of a doubling down on their support, sort of the hulk hogan situation.

and so i think -- >> literally. >> literally the hulk hogan situation. >> it actually happened. and so that's kind of what i see happening here. it's just going to be able to reach out to a lot of people in this country. >> our colleague joy reid is in washington and wants to ask you a question. >> hey, joy. >> hi, senator. good to talk to you. so i have just been sort of in a wormhole of the 2016 versus 2020 demographics of the election. i think a lot of women in this country have their pant suits from the hillary clinton campaign sort of embalmed in their closets, and they probably weep over them every so often. it was the closest we previously came to electing a woman president. and while hillary clinton won by three million votes, her narrow margin of defeat in these three key swing states, you know, was because she had a huge deficit with particularly men versus what happened when joe biden won. and joe biden overindexed on a

few demographics. men, he won them. there was an 11 point gap, right? joe biden did -- he shrunk that gap. he did much better among white men in particular. he ate into that. and while hillary clinton barely lost white women, she lost them 49-47% to donald trump, despite all his issues. joe biden did better with white women as well. for what white woman cohort, it's a small gap that kamala harris would have to make up. is roe enough to make up that gap so that white women will come home to the democratic party, which is not a normal thing. it's normally a mostly republican vote. how does kamala harris close that gap? and can she close the gap with men? >> i think she can close many gaps. difference, we know a lot more about donald trump than we did at that moment. we saw what he was like as president. we saw the divisiveness, and we saw what happened.

the issue of abortion, you can see it from the prairies of kansas to the supreme court race in wisconsin. you could see it in what we saw in the virginia legislative races to what happened in the governor's race in kentucky. it made a difference all over the country in all these races. and kamala harris, who i watch cross-examine these very supreme court justices who made this decision is going to be on the same debate stage i hope with donald trump, who shoots a video this year in which he said he proudly was the one who overturned roe v. wade. i don't know how much of a stark difference you can have than that. we know that chaos it has unleashed. we know the women bleeding out in parking lots waiting to get their health care. the problems where even ivf and mifepristone and all contraception are at risk that is going to be a major issue, and there is no better person to prosecute that case than kamala harris. you're also going to have the fact that she was prosecutor,

and that is a guy with over 100 felony indictments and a number of convictions. so you're going see major differences on that. >> senator amy klobuchar, are you busy? >> just a little bit busy. >> returning to washington to the senate tomorrow. >> okay. are you too business to stay for one more segment with us? >> i would love to be on a segment. >> okay. we have to talk about this coconut tree thing, and i want you here for it. we'll be back with senator klobuchar and the coconut tree thing there is a lot to get to. i'll explain in just a minute. yes, minnesota, it's an obvious choice. we'll be right back. we'll be ri. ok y'all we got ten orders coming in.. big orders! starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant.. that's a different story. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up.

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i'm going to try to get through this without sounding like an old person. i'm going to tell you right now i'm going the fail. let's do this failure together. by now you have probably seen this. >> you think you just fell out of a coconut tree? you exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you. >> that was vice president kamala harris giving a speech more than a year ago at the white house at an event about how to create more opportunities for hispanic americans. she is trying to make a point there, kind of an elegant point about how in order to make progress, you also have to know where you came from. you didn't just fall out of a coconut tree, right? but out of context, it does sound, well, i don't know.

i don't know. how does it sound to you? it turns out it was almost designed in a lab to become a meme. so in the last week or so, with the fervor building in the democratic party about harris potentially becoming the democratic presidential nominee, this moment has started bouncing around the internet again. this person has added sparkles, as you see. this is why the governor of colorado included a coconut and tree emoji when he endorsed her yesterday. this is why hawaii senator brian schatz posted a photo of himself scaling an actual toke koch nut tree when he posted his congratulation and endorsement. and at some point in the night last might, the memification of kamala harris took on a life of its own. a lot of it is just kamala harris being kamala harris with her distinctive belly laugh, her big signature laugh that a lot of people like. so someone made a 2:30 minute montage of just her cracking up and laughing. this is a video of kamala harris talking about how much she love

s ven diagrams. >> that's it. that's all it is. it's all over the internet today. here is a widely shared video of kamala harris just dancing with kids. you can set this to anything. and then there is brat. charli xcx is a pop artist. she has a wildly popular album out this summer that's called brat. this is the cover. blacklowe-ify text over a green background. last night charli xcx tweeted this kamala is brat. to be honest with you, i'm not sure that means. but apparently the internet knows. kamala harris overlayed in green to the song off of the record brat. me just call it a record there i go. this is a mash-up of the coconut thing put to a song off the album. >> you exist in the context all in which you live and where you

came from. >> the newly minted harris campaign is fully leaning into their candidate being memed. they changed their campaign twitter background to look like the brat album cover. they tweeted out a fresh new ven diagram which we know is vice president harris's favorite means of visualization. that wla do they have in common overlapping? holding trump accountable. aren't you glad you stayed for that? >> some of this started with the republicans trying to go after kamala, right? they go after her laugh. they go after the kamala -- the coconut tree line and the like. and what i love about this, as a woman candidate and as we saw during the presidential, women candidates are held to these standards that are nearly impossible to make. and i love that they're just owning it and making fun of it, and kind of becoming an icon because of it. and i think you've got to -- we've learned this over time, as we've learned what happened to other women candidates,

including secretary clinton when they ran, that you kind of got to own some of this. and while this is a lot of fun and cool, and i think you're going to see the difference between maybe a biden candidacy and a kamala harris candidacy, there is going to be some differences, this is one of them, it also just shows that they're going to have to run a different way to take this on, because this started -- some of this started, not the brat part, but the coconut tree and the laugh, it started with them trying to attack her. >> yeah. >> so they're just like okay, go for it. >> i feel like it's kind of a campaign -- it's a good campaign instinct. if somebody is taking you on for something that's not actually bad, i don't like your voice, i don't like your smile, i don't like your laugh, you're too old, you're too young, whatever it is, if they're doing it in a way that isn't actually substantively something you're worried about, the right thing to do is to boomerang it and turn it around and oh, yes, i'm going campaign on my laugh. i'm going campaign on these things that you're trying to turn into a negative that i know shouldn't be seen that way. it isn't always easy to execute, but they're doing it. >> no question.

we've been talking a little bit tonight about what's coming our way which is sexism, misogyny, racism, a lot of this. and making fun of her laugh, i hope she never changes her laugh by the way. i think it's an authentic part of who she was. i saw you almost getting emotional when you were talking about joe biden, which is by the way a lot of people i have spoken to who love him when we spoke. moving forward, how is she going to take on these attacks on her that are so gross and so misogynistic and so sexist, and how do you think the campaign is going to do that? >> well, she is going to do that with her head held high. she has an incredible posture, let's start with that i think that's how she's got to go. a lot of it as we tell women candidates, i do all the time when they're getting started, just let it go. and then a lot of it they're going to have to 25ik them on, take them on. you got to always draw that line when you're going to call them out for it and when you're going to make fun of it. when you're going to own it, and

again, just make fun of it. some of it is going to have to not be taking everything seriously, because donald trump says crazy stuff all the time, as we saw in the hour and a half speech which i listened to every word. and i think that's what they're going to have to decide. but i think her general demeanor and the way she handles things is she is not going to let it get to her because she knows she's got a much bigger job, and that's to get things done for the people of this country. >> senator amy klobuchar of minnesota, it's really good to have you here. you should come by more often. >> okay, i will. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. h us ton, illinois. i'm not an actor. i'm just a regular person. some people say, "why should i take prevagen? i don't have a problem with my memory." memory loss is, is not something that occurs overnight. i started noticing subtle lapses in memory. i want people to know that prevagen has worked for me. it's helped my memory. it's helped my cognitive qualities. give it a try. i want it to help you just like it has helped me. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription.

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