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hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. stop me if you heard this before. a prosecutor and a felon walk into a bar in milwaukee. all right it's more like a high school auditorium but you get the point, the black and white night and day contrast between the ex-president convicted on 34 felony counts for hush money payments to interfere in the 2016 election. versus the tough as nails prosecutor who rose to become the country's first female vice president. just hours after she clinched enough delegates to win the democratic nomination with the wind at her back, a boost in

fund-raising and palable enthusiasm and energy from democrats, vice president harris held the first rally of her campaign in wisconsin when she put trump's feet to the fire. >> in this campaign i promise you i will probably put my record against his any day of the week. [ cheers ] >> as attorney general of california i took on one of our country's largest for profit students scamming students, donald trump ran a for profit college that scammed students. as a prosecutor i specialized in cases involving sexual abuse. well, trump was found liable for committing sexual abuse. as attorney general of california, i took on the big

wall street banks and held them accountable for fraud. donald trump was just found guilty of fraud on 34 counts. >> it was a far cry from donald trump's acceptance speech at the republican national convention last thursday night, his 93 minute address pulled off the rare feat of being alarming and weird and based on the reaction in the room, pretty boaring in the end. where kamala harris highlighted donald trump's long list of legal troubles any one of which should be disqualifying for the presidency, trump had to resort to the gaslighting. >> the democratic party should immediately stop weaponizing the justice system and labelling their political opponent as an enemy of democracy. especially since that is not true. in fact, i am the one saving

democracy for the people of our country. >> harris on the other hand making the case that her campaign is about what she will do for the country in the future. calling her campaign a people-powered campaign for people-powered presidency. kamala harris underscored her vision for the country on gun safety, reproductive issues just a few. donald trump was fear mongering over the border with his fixation with the villain from the movie "silence of the lambs". >> the press is on me because i say this, has anyone seen "silence of the lambs"? the late great hannibal lekter. he'd love to have you for dinner. >> not late or great, just made up.

with the de facto democratic nominee, there were no weird movie references or tributes to the world's most brutal autocrats, just the case against donald trump and the incredibly toxic and unpopular political positions outlined in project 2025. >> he and his extreme project 2025 agenda will weaken the middle class. like we know we got to take this serious. can you believe they put that thing in writing? read it. it's 900 pages. but here's the thing. when you read it, you will see donald trump intends to cut social security and medicare. he intends to give tax breaks to billionaires and big corporations and make working families foot the bill. they intend to end the affordable care act.

and take us back then to a time when insurance companies had the power to deny people with preexisting conditions. remember what that was like? children with asthma, women who survived breast cancer, grandparents with diabetes? america has tried these failed economic policies before. but we are not going back. we are not going back. not going back. we're not going back. we are not going back. >> we're not going back. we're not going back. >> the vice president landing on a bit of a mantra there as she soars into the national political spotlight. as she does that, president joe

biden is officially passing the torch. here he is in his first appearance since contracting covid. he will be addressing the american people about his decision not to seek a second term as president live tomorrow night from the oval office. we'll have full coverage of that event. it's where we start today with yamiche alcindor in wisconsin where vice president harris held her first rally today. and joined by political analyst and opinion writer and columnist for the boston globe kim mcinstore is here and political analyst mike murphy is here. a bit of history today in this extraordinary partner to president joe biden giving her -- it's really the second time we've heard her stump speech. she gave a version of the speech yesterday at campaign headquarters in wilmington. but this was the first rally of this historic candidacy.

i wonder if you can just take me inside. >> i want to take you inside now. this is an empty auditorium. an hour ago, though, this was filled with a raucous crowd where people were cheering, some people were getting really really emotional. signs hot off the presses that said kamala using her first name for the vice president harris. there was beyonce being played. she was talking about what she called a people powered campaign. she started off talking about the fact she was going to prosecute the case against donald trump. and she talked about the fact that trump, she sees him as a fraud, a cheater, a predator, and she is feeling confident she can beat him. she also really i think got the crowd going here. so just inside this room i can tell you sweltering because people were shoulder to shoulder and shouting things like lock him up, referring to of course

to former president trump. and they were also talking about the fact that the vision she is laying out is not just about donald trump. it's inclusive, puts middle class people at the center of it. and people were chanting don't go back, they want to see the future of america she's laying out. it's interesting she was talking a lot about sort of bringing america together. she said the road to winning the election runs through wisconsin so talking about this critical state where a few days ago republicans were gathered pifs on the highway coming here and there was a big trump 2024 billboard. it underscores why she wanted to come here because republicans have their eyes set here. but today she was trying to get the crowd riled up. yesterday i was at campaign headquarters with her, flew on air force 2 and was at the campaign headquarters. another raucous crowd. there people had handwritten signs because some people it all came together so fast they were actually having to write their signs, her name. so it tells you the people there

were trying to get their heads around it but saying they were feeling energized. as you talk about history, she said this was the biggest 24 hour fund-raising period for any presidential campaign in history. and also, her campaign is saying that this was the largest event that the campaign has held when it was the biden/harris campaign. so not only is she making history at the top of the ticket but the money they were able to organize. >> let me share the details that you mentioned. team harris raised more than $100 million between sunday afternoon and monday evening. they have more than 1.1 million unique donors since sunday. 62% first time donors. that's unprecedented and historic. on the organizing front, 58,000 people signed up to volunteer with the campaign between sunday afternoon and monday evening. that's more than 100 times an

average day for the campaign. pretty extraordinary. >> it's pretty extraordinary. it really underscores that the vice president here is going to be leaning on grass roots efforts, leaning on people excited about her candidacy to power the candidacy because she only has a few weeks before early voting starts here. i've been talking to people about how this grass roots campaign has come together. i can tell you on sunday night i was up until 3:00 in the morning talking specifically to black women there was a major zoom call where 40,000 people showed up and they raised $1.5 million in three hours and african american men said we can have our own call, they had a call the next day, had more than 30,000 people on the call and raised a million dollars. but this is a campaign that has people invigorated. democrats have had a rough few weeks, a lot of infighting and uncertainty, but now they're

like let's focused back on the mission at hand. yesterday vice president harris said the top of the ticket changed but the mission stays the same. also i want to say when she was talking to the crowd at the end of her speech she said we have a lot of work to do. we have doors to knock on, calls to make, work to do. that also tells you she's not saying i'm going to win this election she is putting it to the voters they are going to vote with her. >> i know you have plans to catch and motorcades to make and cars to ride in. thank you for sticking around to bring us your reportingwe're really grateful. kim, mike, kim let me start with you. last time you were here we had a message we replayed it just about fighting, about your message really pleading with democrats to fight. the ticket has changed, it's undergone a transformation.

but kamala harris seems very ready for the fight. i wonder how you think the first couple of days have gone and how you're feeling about everything that transpired since we last talked. >> yeah. what has transpired in the last 48 hours is that not only has kamala harris demonstrated her ability and willingness and readiness to fight, but so have democrats. i've been speaking with democrats for the last 48 hours too. and those who had been working long and hard on behalf of president biden those who had -- some of them were disillusioned and others, all of them today are excited, they are hopeful and they are ready to take the case against donald trump. i will -- i admit i am surprised even at the swiftness with which democrats, you know, within the campaign and activists and groups and others have unified. and they're ready. because they know there is hard work ahead.

there is still a lot of voters who still want to know more about her, still want to see a process play out on the way to the convention. and so she has a lot of ground to make up with good old shoe leather. i don't want to imply this is locked up and this is done or this will be easy. but the amount of energy that is represented in that fund-raising, that is represented in all these zoom calls that have been going on, that has been represented in just the early snap polling is exactly what democrats needed going into the convention. they could not let all of the momentum be taken up by the republicans who could sort of glide while the democrats were fighting. and so this is the fight they need. if they can keep it up, kamala harris certainly can be a winning candidate. >> mike murphy, the laws of campaigns where a single debate

or interview could shift the momentum have changed. it takes something seismic but this is something seismic. and it feels like that momentum shift has gone in the other direction. there's some great reporting from our tim alberta, about the political hangover they're experiencing post jd vance, milwaukee. republicans i spoke with today, some of them still hungover from celebrating what felt like a victory night celebration in milwaukee, registered shock at the news of biden's departure. party officials left town believing the race was all but over now they're confronting the reality of reimagining a campaign one that had been optimized in every way to defeat biden against a new and unknown challenger. they knew from the moment they partnered with trump, the messaging, advertising, micro targeting, ground game, mail pieces, digital ads, was

designed to beat joe biden. even the selection of ohio senator jd vance as trump's running mate. it was meant to run up margins with the base rather than persuade swing voters in a nail-biter. i guess we should never say never with donald trump. you can't unselect a vp but certainly someone like nikki haley, who was still polling 20 to 30% of republican primary voters from donald trump weeks after she abandoned her candidacy might have made a little more sense in hindsight. >> i don't know if he ever would have gone there. he wanted to pick a younger version of himself. what i think is happening and i don't think the trump people were dumb enough not to think that joe biden might give up the ticket. remember, biden was losing the campaign before that big debate that was the seminal event and then the pressure was building,

i wrote an op-ed in the times about it, there was a lot of us that respected joe biden a lot but knew trump would beat them. so if the trump campaign decided life was kind and you get to win for free they're disappointed. but the phenomenon in the democratic party is fascinating. they went from despair to neck snapping enthusiasm right now. that's a massive amount of money that came flowing in and volunteers and everything else you talked about. that energy is a good thing. it's also flipped the campaign a bit because now donald trump is the old guy. so kamala harris and i thought her speech yesterday was very strong, framed it right, which is now future versus past. and that is a very good debate. now this prosecutor stuff is great for the democratic troops to show she's a fighter. but she's taking a risk with it. because her record as a da in san francisco and later california ag can be attacked from the right and left.

i would be careful about betting my campaign chips on that. the winner for her is future, past, dobs decision, those things. and what we're seeing now and hopefully from her point of view she can sustain it is a much better performance as a candidate than when she ran for president herself in a campaign that was kind of a gold standard for disasters. so she is in an interesting position now to completely reset the race. trump is having a nervous breakdown, he doesn't know how to handle her, forget his managers. you know when trump hits the rocks he doesn't listen to anybody except his instincts with her that could be bad. i would say trump is a narrow front runner but she has a shot, she's going to be the money candidate, she can compete and make it on future past, not make it about race, obama was smart about that, not necessarily make it a backwards referendum on her

work as da in a progressive city but to future, past, the dobs decision, this is a new race. it's a whole new world from the convention for the republicans. >> kim, i want to show you what senator schumer and jeffries had to say. >> when i spoke with her sunday she wanted the opportunity to win the nomination on her own and do so from the grass roots up, not top down. we deeply respected that, hakeem and i did. she said, she would work to earn the support of our party, and boy has she done so. >> president joe biden has made the selfless decision to pass the torch to vice president kamala harris. who is ready, willing, and able

to lead us into the future. kamala harris and her candidacy has excited and energized the house democratic caucus, the democratic party, and the nation. vice president harris has earned the nomination. from the grass roots up and not the top down. >> kim, you referenced being surprised at the unity around her. i felt like it was pent up. the desire to be united i don't think was lacking with joe biden, because the agenda was so popular he's so beloved. but it's sort of the next level beyond unity. it's this sort of workhorse not

show horse mentality. when you take some of the real political dynamics into play that mike is talking about, seems to be the vice president seems to speak from a place where she has really taken in the landscape of the general election. she understands what her message is, she understands message discipline and she is -- she's an extraordinary candidate on the trail. just take me inside sort of the confidence game, how confident you're feeling about the sustainability of this level of both performance and unity. >> yeah. i mean, let me be clear. i was not saying for one moment that i did not think that kamala harris would be a fantastic presidential candidate in this moment. i was uncertain about the democratic, particularly those who were calling for biden's ouster, ability to steer the ship in a way that would bring everyone on board after all that disruption we've seen in the past that hasn't always happened

but it has happened in part because of the kind of candidate kamala harris is. she has experience in winning, winning on local, statewide and national tickets. she is somebody who has won elections, including the election to beat donald trump. she is good on the campaign trail. i went back and looked at her debate with mike pence and she was excellent at that. she actually has a record. she was one of the people in charge. she really led in the white house after the dobbs decision. the plan of action to protect reproductive rights. she was for gay marriage while people like barack obama were still talking civil unions. she has the resume, the chops and she's a good candidate here and i'm glad the enthusiasm has rallied behind her. it's coming from folks who have always been fans of hers, from folks who trust joe biden and know she's been his partner in this administration, it's coming

from folks who voted for joe biden and was hoping he was transitional and was hoping for someone with more energy to come in. now they've got that. so that's what they have. a couple of things i want to say to mike's point i think the future versus the past, donald trump's own slogan is still make america great again we know it means send america back to the 1950s or before. and this was a clear way to distinguish from that. but i think on her being a prosecutor, i think that's excellent because you have a lot of democrats right now who are frustrated that the actual prosecutions of donald trump have been attacked, stymied, thwarted and one tossed out entirely because they wanted to see accountedability. and joe biden was able to do that in a sense because he wanted to keep distance between himself and the justice department in an understandable way. kamala harris is a prosecutor from long before she's been in the white house and she's able to do exactly what she's doing in saying i know crooks, frauds

and cheats like donald trump, i've dealt with them. that's an excellent line. in terms of making it about race, the republicans have already made it about race, they called her a dei higher. a former trump official called her colored. republicans are making this about race and democrats have to have a message to blunt that, they have to do that? >> i have to come down on the way you see that. the idea that the prosecutions haven't been impacted by race. donald trump has smeared every prosecutor and judge that sought to hold him accountable with brutally obnoxious racial smears. we have a special guest standing by i have to hit pause here. mike murphy, thank you. when we come back, one of the

first humans to come out and support vice president kamala harris over the weekend was congressman jim clyburn whose 2020 endorsment of joe biden was pivotal. plus does team trump have a bit of buyer's remorse when it comes to their vp pick. and we'll look at who the harris campaign may be looking at for her vp candidates. there's a lot to go against a man who seems to back violent marriages and can't tell a joke. just like that, donald trump is the oldest candidate in the room. we have all those stories and more when deadline white house continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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we're expecting maybe a thousand people on there, a thousand women, black women have convened this call for actually the last four years, and call in with black women and there were over 45 -- i like to tell people we broke the internet. i have. i got those phone calls around the country. there are those candidates since kamala has announced running there's been an increase in fund-raising. i think women are activated. >> women are activated. that's no tasha brown, founder of the group black voters matter on the wave of enthusiasm for vice president kamala harris as she takes on donald trump which appears to be lifting candidates down ballot as well. joining our coverage democratic

congressman james clyburn, who has endorsed kamala harris. thank you for being here. the conversation in private has revolved around you and where your thoughts are and heart is, and i know you're one of the closest advisers and dear friends to president joe biden. tell us your understanding of how this came to be. the extraordinary political sacrifice for a man who spent his life in public service and really laying his hands and his trust and confidence in his vice president kamala harris. something that has just taken off, as my colleague rachel likes to say, making weather of its own. >> thank you very much for having me. as you know, last week i spent two full days in nevada with president biden. we did the naacp national convention, the largest convention they've ever had.

the national bar association, which is basically the black bar, and some other meetings together, with the congressman from that area. and as i interacted with president biden, having been around him as much as i've been for so many years, i knew he was in deep contemplation. and so, when i got the call from him on sunday before he went public with his announcement, i was not surprised at all. and i told him that i was in complete agreement with his decision and that i would hope that as he made his exit from the campaign that he would reinforce his very first decision that head made when he

became our nominee, and that was to pick a running mate. he picked kamala harris, after extensive vetting. and he said at the time, that he thought she had what it took to step into the office on a moment's notice if anything were to happen to him. and so i said to him, i would hope you would reinforce that when you leave the stage. and he told me that he would put out a separate statement maybe 30 minutes after the first one to let his feelings to be known about the nomination. and that's what he did. and i'm very pleased that he has selected her. because i had been saying for weeks now if for any reason he were to exit the stage, i would, in fact, support kamala harris

to be our nominee. >> one of the things that people who don't watch these two principals very closely might have missed is their genuine affection for one another. and i think it's disorienting for folks on the other side because donald trump left his vice president to be quote hung end quote on january 6th. but we all got to see it yesterday when president biden called in to the event at wilmington headquarters and you could hear it from the second gentleman, doug emhoff, you heard it from the vice president and the president sort of riffing with each other. he said i'm watching you, kid. what is your -- what do you envision for the next 100 days? how can president biden make sure that vice president harris prevails in november? >> he has to do everything he possibly can to help her in this

election. i'll listen to those conversations yesterday and i've been around the two of them, they do have genuine affection for each other. and i notice jill seemed to feel the same way about kamala as well. and so, i think you're going to see a campaign full of love and affection demonstrating to the american people what a real campaign ought to be about. focus on the future. she is leaning into the future of this great country of ours. we don't need to make this country great. it's already great. what we've got to do, i've been saying forever, is to make the greatness of this country accessible and affordable for all of its citizens. and that's what joe biden has done his entire career. it is all wrapped up in his legislative programs that he's

been so successful with and she is going to wrap herself up into those programs as well. she has a tremendous platform. it is called the record of the biden/harris administration. it's a platform she can run on and a platform i think she will succeed by running on it. so i think he will lean in heavily on her behalf. those of us who are in this effort now it's time for us to go to work. i think we have a candidate now, she has the votes that are necessary to make it official when the voting starts somewhere after august 1st, and we need to start planning now as how we get those people who aren't registered, registered to vote and those people who are, in fact, registered get them to the polls to vote. we must not take that for

granted because there are forces who will love to take this country backward not just back, but backward. and we have got to guard against that. >> congressman, what do you hope to hear tomorrow night when your friend, president joe biden, addresses the nation? >> you know, i usually, for big events like this, i try to go home and sit alone to watch and listen. i think that's what i'm going to do tomorrow night. i often joke with people that's what i do with election night because i don't want nobody to see me cry if the results call for that. that's how i'm going to be tomorrow night. i'm going to watch this alone because i don't want anybody see me crying because it will be a very emotional time for me to

see joe biden give what will be his swan song and quite frankly it makes me a little bit emotional to even talk about it. >> you just made me cry. i mean, it's -- i worry sometimes that we've changed as a country because we've covered so much hardening and so much hate and the affection that you and president biden have for each other and that president biden and vice president harris and you have with both of them is one of the beautiful things that i think makes people still believe and still fight and do the things you just articulated. your place in all of this is so important and so vital, and probably by your design, probably a bit of a mystery to the public but we're onto you. so we'll respect your privacy tomorrow night. but we hope to call on you -- >> thank you. >> -- early and often in the coming days and weeks. congressman jim clyburn, thank

you so much for joining us today. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. all right. i didn't have crying at 37 after the hour on my bingo card but so -- so it has come to pass. up next for us, democrats last week were rightly sounding the alarm bells, calling out donald trump's vice presidential pick for his extremism. and now as republicans are wondering wait, who's this guy? we'll have that conversation next. , who's this guy we'll have that conversation next tch and helps clear the rash of eczema - fast. some rinvoq patients felt significant itch relief as early as 2 days. some achieved dramatic skin clearance and many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred.

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it is the weirdest thing to me, democrats say that it is racist to believe -- well, they say it's racist to do anything. i had a diet mountain dew yesterday and one today i'm sure they're going to call that racist too. it's good. i love you guys. >> i don't know, still working on the jokes, maybe. crowd seemed to go, huh? whatever that was, one thing is clear, of all the people donald trump could have picked to replace the vice president he left for dead on january 6th, jd vance was certainly one of them. such cringe inducing moments aside, it appears some trump allies are second guessing having jd vance's name on the

ticket. our friend tim alberta saying, the selection was born of cockiness meant to run up margins in a base with a blowout. but things are different since sunday afternoon at 1:46 p.m., trump built a campaign designed to beat president joe biden but it's vice president kamala harris assembling her team now. nbc news cites two people familiar with the effort, the harris campaign has requested vetting materials for five possible running you mates that's roy cooper, josh shapiro, mark kelly, gretchen whitmer and governor tim wallace. there appear to be a number of other names under consideration as well. all illustrate the difference between the two campaigns. listen. >> listen, donald trump brings chaos to everything he does. think about it, i was attorney general when he was president before. i spent more time with my team in court trying to protect

people's rights because donald trump was trying to rip them away. >> jd vance is a phony. he's fake. he first says that donald trump is like hitler and now he's acting like he's lincoln. the problem with jd vance is he has no conviction but i guess his running mate has 34. >> if you want a nominee who can put donald trump's destruction of roe v. wade at center stage if you have a nominee that prosecuted criminals like donald trump and if you want a nominee who can put trump's age and fitness into forefront, kamala harris is the person. >> joining our conversation editor for the plain dealer at cleveland.com, chris quinn is back and kim is still with us. chris, inside how you have covered and how you think the events of the last 48 hours have been received among your

readers. >> it's a good time to talk. we had a brainstorm session in the news room today to talk about what we're going to do. we have not had a candidate from ohio figure into the presidential race in forever. and so, we want to do a whole lot of stuff. and the themes that emerge are so much about who is he? i remember in 2016 after his book, "hill billy elgy" came out all the business men thought he was the central, and they had an event to talk about what they would do, and he was not the hateful spewing guy. and he looked out and saw about 20 black people in the audience. he goes, you know, our story is the same, my story is your story. there was none of the confrontational stuff and they were excited he could be the future. what happened in 2020 turned

upside down. he became this guy that nobody recognizes. who who is he? is this his evolution because he's a young guy and the more he learns he turns into this? the best example is abortion. a few months ago dead set against abortion now he supports the abortion pill. how do you make that leap? is that him representing what ohioans want or is it for donald trump? i don't know the answer. >> chris, you raise a good point. he's from your state, and so understanding who he is is of utmost importance. even more than the horse race and up and down and whether he helps or hurts the ticket it's a good reminder for all of us, admonition is how i take it, i know you didn't mean it that way. it gets at perhaps the most politically damaging part of the story for him. i have hosted this show for it

feels like 99 years, feels like eight and i spoke to people who feel donald trump is corrupt, broken laws, they never described him as harshly as jd vance did, america's hitler, cultural heroin. a person who found donald trump more ode yus hand appeared on my show which is two hours long and i've been doing it five days a week for eight years. how do you then bow down to him? >> when his book came out, i don't think he had higher office in mind. it was others who saw him and thought he could be higher office. he turned it down in 2018, a guy named josh mandel dropped out

without notice. they tried to get vance to run then but he didn't want to because he didn't want to spend all that time in washington, that's what he said. but as time has gone on he decided he wants to be in these positions of power and it looks like he'll say or do anything to get it. >> i'm a little confused as to why trump chose him because trump is going to win ohio. we looked at the obama numbers when he won and the trump numbers when he won and trump got a lot more votes with fewer registered voters. so he didn't need vance to get ohio. i think he wanted him for those young looks to pose against biden but now he's stuck. >> he is stuck, kim. and again for the second time in three days it's vice president kamala harris who holds all the cards. she can make this selection and she will do what is normal, i feel like it's 48 half and i

haven't reminded folks that what trump does is not normal but she'll pick someone she would like to have as a governing partner. she has an opportunity in the great names floated to also pick someone who is a good strategic choice. do you have any thoughts or favorites about the names that have surfaced? >> i think they're all -- i think democrats are lucky they have a deep bench of folks who i think would make a very strong running mate choice. i think for kamala harris one benefit she has, she's been vice president. she knows what the job is. i think that, more than anything, will inform who she picks. yes, the traditional things we think about, what state you're from, how you build a coalition. i'm not saying that's unimportant but time has shown that's perhaps less important than people think. i think she's trying to put together a team and knows what

it takes to be a successful vice president as part of an administration and that's going to be front of mind. as for trump my sense is he picked jd vance -- trump is a not a strategist doesn't care about winning ohio he has enough of an ego he thinks he's going to win no matter who's next to him. and he's thinking about mike pence no matter how mike pence spent four days minus one day looking at trump lovingly. that one day that he deied him has stuck in his craw. and jd vance has done the about face, two face, whatever you want to call it from that ohio author to someone who expressed more loyalty to trump than ever. that's what with you from the harris campaign. they put out this in part. in a 2016 interview on trump's sexual misconduct, j.d. vance said it was hard to believe trump's denials over jessica leads, a woman who accused trump

of groping and kissing her. vance, quote, at a pund it mental level, this a he said/she said, right? at the end of the day do you believe trump always tells the truth? just kidding said vance, or do you believe the woman on the tape? also in 2016, vance tweeted this. what percentage of the american population has donald trump sexually assaulted? let me read that again. what percentage of the american population has real donald trump sexually assaulted? he didn't just describe his political toxicity, kim. he believed in 2016 that he was guilty of sexual assault. it deepen the journey to understand who and what is j.d. vance. >> it really does. it shows how the desire for power can really be corrupting.

i mean that in the literal and figurative sense of that. he is now the running mate of somebody who has been found liable in court for sexual abuse. and that's okay with him now. and he is taking on a lot of his rhetoric, either because he thinks it is politically advantageous to him or he has become a true believer. either way, that has him on the stage in one breath accusing people of calling him racist for nothing, and another breath, saying all kamala harris has done is collect a government check. i can't explain this completely. we have seen it before-. >> kim, thank you so much. chris, i want to put you on the spot and ask you to come back often as this campaign plays on. it's a treat to get to talk to you. thank you both so much. another break for us. we are going to sneak in a short

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♪♪ this campaign is also about two different visions for our nation. one where we are focused on the future. the other focused on the past. we believe in a future where every person has the opportunity not just to get by, but to get ahead. building up the middle class will be a defining goal of my presidency. >> hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 in the east. my how the tables have turned. for all the attacks from donald trump and his allies against president joe biden's age, a mental acuity, now the republican nominee has the age problem. in fact, trump is now the oldest presidential nominee in american

history. and as the last day and a half have shown us, his opposition will likely be vice president kamala harris, a woman under the age of 60. this brand-new political reality is explored in two new fantastic pieces of reporting in "the atlantic." the contrast in the revenues speech trump delivered last week, quote, on thursday evening his performance seemed deranged, sinister, and frightening. now following biden's decision to halt his own campaign, it just looks deranged. we have a sitting president who understood his limitations and in an act of patriotism, selflessness and party unity decided to step away from power. on the other hand, we have a former president clinging to power, holding on desperately to the myth of a lost election, evoking the same predictable descriptions of carnage and disaster he served up eight

years ago. and this about the position democrats find themselves in. for all the uncertainty that still looms for democrats starting with who their nominee will be, whether vice president kamala harris if nominated is up to challenging trump, they have flipped what's been their single biggest disadvantage on to the opposition. trump could come in for more scrutiny about his health now that he has the whole shuffleboard court to himself. trump is 78 years old. he has shared very little when it comes to his medical history. he is relying on a doctor who is a member of his bedminster, new jersey, golf club. he wrote a three-paragraph letter in november with no details. just saying trump was in, quote, excellent health, and that he has lost weight. but as we saw with president biden, age and cognitive ability is very much something voters care about and think about and vote on. hidden among the calls for biden to drop out following his debate

performance was the fact that 60% of all voters believe donald trump is too old to serve as our nation's president. and a new ap poll from last week finds 57% of results say trump should withdraw and allow his party to name a replacement. that won't happen barring some extraordinary circumstance, but it is an interesting fact to keep in mind about voters as november's general election inches closer. we start the hour with charlie sykes, plus former gop communications director tara set meyer and author of the important new book autocracy, inc., the dictators who want to run the world, anne applebaum is here. deranged is the perfect word for it. i went back sunday after

digesting the news about president biden and watched it because when i -- i had to focus on set. i watched the whole thing from the beginning through the long tedious middle to the end, and the feeling that he was the frontrunner, that he was winning this race really sort of sat in your gut when you saw how beatable he should be in a political context. now that the democrats have flipped the script, i think that speech is a real political liability. talk about what you have written today. >> i had the same experience. i went back and read it. i read the transcript. of course, the transcript makes no sense. i even copy/pasted a piece in my article and the copy editor said, what is that? that's the grammar he used. i went back and watched it as well. the speech starts -- started out talking about the assassination. i think it was meant to be very moving. he wasn't really able to keep

that tone going and kept digressing and then later on he went off in these various tangents that he has gone off on before, some really make no sense. there was a thing about hannibal lector, a thing about venezuela that seemed irrelevant. suddenly you looked at had, this was the rantings of somebody who you wouldn't hire to fix your car. i mean, you wouldn't consider him a competent person. suddenly the speech, rather than being a frightening screed, just looked like something an incompetent perp was reciting. then putting him next to somebody who is able to speak coherently, who can make points and arguments, i think he is going to look different. >> anne, it's such a salient political point. it dap captures our new political reality than anything i have read since 1:46 p.m. sunday.

i want to press you on how to refocus. and i think the universal condemnation of the political violence that transpired a week before, i think made that speech disorienting because it did start -- and i had the written remarks. as you are tracking what was written, it was intended to be -- and he said i am not going to talk about getting shot after tonight. so you really sort of stood at attention. he tweeted about it a couple more times. of course, everybody has condemned and will continue to condemn what he was a victim of at his rally. but he wasn't able to sit in the pocket of that moment and of that bipartisan condemnation of political violence and his running mate had someone calling for civil war. they apologized, but he is back to -- sort of reverted back to his own set point of harboring extreme political views, harboring outrageous and bizarre

affectionate affinity for the world's most brutal dictators and having no ability to land his own lines. how do you assess his political strength in this new moment? >> it's funny. i also -- when you watch and when you read the first part of this speech, it's clear what he was -- what he was told to do, which is play on the moment of unity, speak to the whole nation, talk about what a miracle it was that he wasn't killed. and you could see how that would have been or should have been something that was moving to a lot of people, including people who don't support him, people who aren't republicans. as i said, he couldn't stick to the is script. he digressed about his ear and how ears bleed more than the rest of the body. he reverted to these vicious attacks on his enemies, you know, references to violence, images of chaos and disaster that are coming to the united

states, and those aren't unifying, you know, convincing, you know, images that are designed to bring people together. he is unable to be anything except very divisive. and even that moment that moved a lot of other people and made many people feel shocked and frighten and desirous of a calmer kind of politics, it didn't move him. >> such a good point. charlie sykes, i mean, it didn't move him. that might be the best way to understand that horrific moment. am i guess it's only two saturdays ago now. one saturday. i mean, time is in this bizarre -- it's sort of accordioned on itself. we have had three race-changing events in less than that amount of time. we had the debate. we had the attempt on donald

trump's life. we had joe biden's stepping off the ticket. how do you assess the state of the race today. >> mike murphy used the phrase head snapping. it is. when i was listening to you talk about this, it occurred when donald trump took that stage in milwaukee at that moment, he was probably in a more dominant position than ever in his political life. now think about how the world has changed. everything about this race has changed. for the last month, almost all of the discussion has been about the frailty of joe biden, the cognitive health of joe biden and republicans have spent a trechl amount of effort making the age and cognitive health of the ticket just absolutely central. you know, top of mind for the american people. and now here we are. and i don't think we have got a sense of how this is going to shake out because he was planning to run against sleepy joe biden, who did not campaign

frequently, who was not vigorous, who was not prosecuting that case, and look what's happening right now. now, again, there is a moment -- i mean, you know, given the sort of the honeymoon that kamala harris is getting, i don't think we ought to sleep on the fact that none of this was inevitable. the democrats could have devolved into chaos. there could have been a lot of ungraciousness. there could have been finger-pointing. looked like there there would be that circular firing squad. right now the democrats are united. they are energized. i think there is hope. you can't win a campaign on hope, but trust me, despair will kill you every single time. the only caution i have is that we need to brace ourselves for what's coming because donald trump is still donald trump. for the last eight years, he used invective and personal

attacks against his opponents. he firmly believes that that sort of cruel rhetoric works for him and helps him. so there is going to be a cataract, a tsunami of negativity heading towards kamala harris. the question will be, number one, how she responds, but also it's kind of a test. donald trump believes the american people, the voters will like it, that there won't be a backlash. we are about to find out whether he is right about that still. >> charlie, i don't think it's about how she responds. i think it's how we respond. when the republicans start -- there will be macro and microaggression. overt racist attacks and subliminal racist attacks. the answer to all of them, is america ready to elect the oldest president?

ready to elect a convicted felon found liable for sexual abuse? >> the focus is squarely on that. that's what's really interesting in the last, what, 72 hours, that people are going back and going, okay, you know, we talked about joe biden a lot, but in the background every day donald trump was going out and delivering one of those deranged speeches filled with absolute gibberish, and he convinced people that maybe that was the normal. he is 78 years old. he is clearly not the man he was four years ago. and now people are looking at that and in part because republicans and donald trump made that a salient issue, the focus is back on that. what you see from kamala harris is she is fully prepared to prosecute all of those issues. >> all right. surely did it. he called for gibberish. gibberish delivered. >> i have the wounds all over my body. if i took this shirt off, you'd

see a beautiful, beautiful person. but you'd see wounds all over. all over me. there has never been -- no third world country has a border like that. tell you what, i hope the military -- i hope the military revolts at the voting booth. and the water stops flooding in. i am getting concerned. i look ten yards to the left and there is a shark over there. do i get electrocuted or go with the shark i said, because i will take lelktcution all day long. >> so, that's on the menu for the voters in november. >> well, now that can be the focus and we can actually start talking about this again because for the last several weeks, and frankly months, that really has not been the focus about some of the insanity that comes out of donald trump's mouth. they are the rantings of a

madman who is clearly ill equipped to be president of the united states. i am thrilled. as sad as i am to see joe biden leave the race, he is a hero and great statesman, i am glad we can start to remind the american people of what life was like under donald trump and show us what -- show folks what life would be like under him in the future. they tell us, he demonstrates this to us every day. the seneca project has been putting out ads comparing what he was like from bully-pulpit. we have one out today, how he went after women, how nasty he was to women. we took j.d. vance's words and extreme positions on abortion to introduce the american people to j.d. vance and who donald trump picked. i mean, i don't think that average americans now that they can focus and concentrate ton this without the distraction of joe biden's age anymore are going to look at this ticket and say, yes, that is an inspirational future forward

looking ticket that i want to raise my daughters in an america run by j.d. vance, donald trump, and that the testosterone party that the gop has become evidenced by what we saw on the stage at the rnc. that is not the -- i am confident that the american people, particularly women in this country, we make up the majority of americans. we make up the majority of voters. we vote at a higher rate than men do. women are looking at this as they pay attention and they are going to make a voice in november about what they want their future to look like. would who do they want their daughters to live under in what type of world. i find it hard to believe as we continue to put the spotlight on not only the rantings of the madman things that donald trump says, but the lack of character, of decency, the fact he is a felon, the fact that he doesn't respect democracy, the fact that he doesn't respect what makes america great. i said this before. i think donald trump hates america. what makes america great.

he despises everything about america. te opposite.arris is the she represents the best of america. and how fitting would it be that the answer to the donald trump hatred and the regression that trumpism represents would be elect gt the first not only female president, but woman of color. that would be something else, wouldn't it? >> it would be amazing. he is also extremely agitated and he says -- it's hard to call him his worst self. he is sort of always his worst self. he is particularly out of his advisors and handlers and much has been made of their political skill. we'll see. they did pick j.d. vance. he is his worst self when a woman is seeking to hold him accountable. let me play some of what you put out, what the seneca project has out today on that front. >> all presidents have the power of what's known as the

bully-pulpit. >> during a international crisis president trump was attacking woman. >> there is something wrong with the woman. she doesn't know what the hell she is doing. she is mean. she is crazy. she is vicious. she lost it. incompetent. >> president trump attacked the british prime minister theresa may. >> oprah winfrey. >> sally yates. >> susan ray. >> lisa murkowski. >> called maxine waters low iq. >> a real beauty. >> a personal attack on mika brzezinski. >> now attacking her, comparing her to a dog. >> calling stormy daniels horseface. >> remember the woman crying? >> oh. >> he attacks women reporters far more often than men. >> you ask a lot of statute i had questions. >> horrid in the way you ask a question. >> you know you're a fake. >> you are not thinking. you never do. >> sorry? >> no, go ahead. >> that is on the menu. >> that's right. that was from the bully-pulpit.

we had a clever name for that. my jersey came out, what we named on youtube, i won't say it here, this is a family program. it's important for people to remember. we can't have collective amnesia as a country about who donald trump is. we cannot. and so it's our responsibility, those of us who have platforms, to make sure that voters are fully informed about what they are choosing. >> this is what's on the ballot. do we want to regress back to that, to the name-calling, to the disrespect, to this male chauvinist misogyny? that's who donald trump and j.d. vance are. they have shown their disdain for women. they want to treat us as second-class citizens and take us back 100 years, where we needed permission of a man to have control over our own bodies. this is at the forefront now. with kamala harris prosecuting the case it is the prosecutor versus the felon heading into

november and i really think that the american people will make the right decision as long as they do not fall into the trap of donald trump's vitriol and scaring people to death. they try to make up these scenarios that america is a hellscape. it's not. we live in a great country. it's the greatest country in the world, imperfect as it is. we won't be if we put a misogynist hater as opposed to the future of what america will look like and someone who has a positive vision for america and inclusive vision like kamala harris. that's the choice. >> and anyone that was feeling psyched out has to do what anne and i did and go back and watch thursday's convention speech. it was supposed to be the crowning moment. it was a scripted teleprompter speech, and it was one of the worst convention speeches given in modern -- i don't know if

modern is necessary -- in convention history. thank you so much for having this conversation. anne sticks around. we will talk to her about her must-read important new book about the axis of authoritarian leaders around the world and how trump wants to be a part of it and envisions america's role among them. plus the energy and excitement and results in terms of fundraising and organizing among democrats for a history-making presidential candidate. we will be joined by california senator, the only black woman serving in the united states senate. and later, a call for supreme court justice alito to resign. that's after a quick break. don't go anywhere today. ck break don't go anywhere today. this summer.

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asked what happened with the world, it's falling to pieces, there are wars all over. he said bring back trump. i got along well with president xi. wrote me a beautiful note when i heard about what happened. a lot of times the press says, he gets along with kim jong-un, north korea. he has a lot of nuclear weapons. i got along with him great. they said, is president xi of china, is he a smart man? he is a brilliant man. can you imagine president xi, putin, all of them, they are all smart, tough. they love their country. they want to do well with their country, all ideology. >> that was the ex-president

over this past weekend again renewing his desperation wearing it on his sleeve for the approval and affinity of foreign leaders that u.s. officials have condemned and classified as threats and dictators every time he does that, trump raises the stakes of the november election and of the unthinkable, that the united states of america could join the ranking of dictatorships and autocracies working against everything america has fought for and died for and stands for. anne applebaum writes this, quote, there is not at least not as of this writing an example of the contemporary american government using the instruments of the state. to karg one of the president's personal enemies. it is not difficult to imagine how this could happen. if trump ever succeeds in directing federal courts and law

enforcement at his enemies in combination with a mass trolling impressive campaign, the blentding of the autocratic and democratic worlds would be complete. anne is back with us. this is one of the books that everybody waits for. one of the books that publishers representing other books wait and says anne's book is out that week. you don't want to release that week. it's so important. to have trump renew all of the things that you warn about on saturday feels all the more jarring. take me through what you have written. >> the book describes a network. it's not an axis, it's not an alliance. it's a group of dictators, russia, china, north korea, iran arcs a handful of others around the world who began to cooperate in new ways. they cooperate in financial transactions. they share surveillance technology. they have similar ways of fighting dissent. they have similar authoritarian

narratives. and they don't share an ideology. they don't have the common goals, communist china and theocratic iran and nationalist russia. these are different kinds of states, but they do share one thing, which is a dislike of us. meaning, you and me and most of the people watching this. they dislike liberal democracy, the language of democracy, they dislike the language of transparency, the rule of law because that's the language that their opponents use inside their country and that's the language that would threaten their form of power. they aren't accountable to anybody. they can hide their money at home or overseas. they have no -- they have no restrictions on what they can do, how they can behave and they don't want to have any restrictions implode. their people don't have rights. they don't have to respect them. and they -- and that's why they understand us as their kind of

idealogical -- it's not even ideology. we're the opposite ideas that could bring them down. and the book explains who they are, how it works, how it came to be, and talks about what some of the solutions might be. >> i want to read one more piece of it. and then i want to ask you how or if the movement of autocracies could have ever imagined having one of america's two political parties marching in lock step. let me read it and ask you to answer that. corrupt state controlled companies in a dictatorship do business with state controlled companies in another. the police in one company may arm, equip and train police in many others. propagandists share resources. the troll farms that promote propaganda can be used to promote another's as well as themes. the stability of autocracy, the evil of america. we saw that in motion when putin was amplifying tucker carlson's

conspiracy theories about january 6th and you think about the second trump presidency, i imagine they will be singing from the same sheet. how did this happen? >> so, this was a deliberate plan. i mean, it wasn't a secret plan. it was an open plan. the autocratic world began talking about itself as stable and secure and safe and talking about the democratic world as divided and chaotic and degenerate by which they sometimes meant sexually degenerate. that language appealed to some americans, europeans, others in the democratic world, and they began to repeat it. i don't think there is a secret conspiracy. i don't think necessarily people have to be paid. but there is simply an alignment that the narratives of autocratic world, which now you can hear coming from several different countries through a wide range of media and social media, are now echoed and amplified by a part of the what

used to be the american right. and it's one of the results is what you just showed on, you know, in the clips you began the segment with, that we now have as the potential president of the united states somebody who talks about autocrats as people he admires and wants to be like. the idea of running a state and being a leader who has no checks and balances, who can do whatever he wants, who can tell his police to shoot demonstrators or tell his army to beat people up, and that's something that trump finds attractive and really tragically i think a part of american society now finds that idea attractive, too. they have been listening to this narrative about how the country is so terrible and degenerated, so declined, they find the idea of a strong man replacing everything, you know, our democratic system, appealing. >> how do you -- i mean, i agree

with you. the conspiracies are rare and the least likely explanation for the things that are the result of incompetence and fear and other things, but how do you explain the united states supreme court for the first time in history making a decision that other members of the court describe as creating a king? and that is of absolute presidential immunity. >> again, i don't have insight into the brains of the supreme court justices and i can't tell you whether they were influenced by admiration for trump, whether they were influenced by people who helped them get their current jobs. i don't -- i don't know any of that. i mean, i do think that they are symptomatic of a particular moment in history when the idea that presidents should be restrained, should reveal their taxes, should be subject to the rule like anybody else is beginning to wear down. and they reflect that shift in american culture that unfortunately has already happened. >> it is the first must, must,

must read of the summer. autocracy, inc. thank you so much for joining us. the dictators who want to run the world is out today. you must buy it and read it if you want to understand this moment and our place in it. thank you for joining us to talk about it. >> thank you. when we come back, how kamala harris' presidential campaign is injecting a genuine sense of palpable energy and excitement among democrats and beyond. then the ugly ways republicans are trying to fight that. ssie ls playing detective. but the real mystery was her irritated skin. so, we switched to tide free & gentle. it cleans better, and doesn't leave behind irritating residues. and it's gentle on her skin. tide free and gentle liquid is epa safer choice certified. it's gotta be tide. ♪♪ when you're a small business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot. ♪♪

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we are going to hold the senate, we are going to win the house, we are going to elect kamala harris as our next president in november. >> today is a great, great day. for the democratic party and the country. vice president kamala harris will soon be our nominee and had be elected president in november. we are brimming with excitement, enthusiasm, unity. >> and you can feel that. the brimming with excitement and enthusiasm and unity thing, the momentum behind vice president kamala harris, this campaign is palpable today, especially on capitol hill where she received key endorsement from democratic leaders. harris has consolidated support to replace president biden on the ticket in november, securing the backing of enough dnc delegates to become the de facto

nominee overnight. there are key signs that democratic voters are galvanized by her candidacy. the vice president smashed all known fundraising records with more than $100 million raised by monday afternoon. that's according to the harris campaign. the campaign said it was the largest single-day total in u.s. history. let's bring in democratic senator laphonza butler of california. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me, nicolle. >> so, she is off to a roaring start, but only surprises people who haven't watched her in california, in the senate, and as vice president. what is your understanding of sort of her -- she has been described to me in the last 48 hours as totally locked in and focused on the job at hand. what conversations have you had with her and what should people know how she will approach the next 105 days? >> thank you so much again for having me.

let me take the opportunity to add my thanks and gratitude for the model leadership that president joe biden has offered us as a party and offered to our country. every young leader should aspire to get to the kind of place where we recognize that there are things that are bigger than just our own personal pursuit. and in my conversation with the vice president, nicolle, it is clear to me that she is not only locked in, but determined. she is clear that this is a fight that is worth having, and understanding that there are going to be bruises and breaks along the way, as we have all heard her talk about, but that she is committed to leading this not only a unification of the democratic party, but a unification of our country, inspiring us to achieve the next

level of greatness in store for our nation. i am convinced that she is the leader to do just that. i could hear it in her voice as someone who has known her for more than a decade, probably closer to two. i'm dating my own self. but this is a moment where the excitement around the capitol, the excitement in communities all across the country, my mother, who is 71, she lives in atlanta, georgia, she was a little downtrodden before sunday, and she has texted and called and emailed, i think, you know, everybody in her phone since the announcement on sunday. and i always rely on her as my one person focus group. >> my friend, actress and activist rosy perez texted me the morning much. same thing. it feels like she is not just

consolidated the democratic party behind her, but what president joe biden had assembled was the pro-democracy coalition behind him. it's my understanding that republican congressman adam kinzinger has been on some of these calls since the torch was passed from president biden to vice president kamala harris and that it's the entire pro-democracy movement lining up behind her. that feels like it's sort of -- she now has people like me, you know, refugees, former republicans, who want the country to continue to be a democracy, and she also seems uniquely qualified. i am thinking of her takedowns of bill barr and jeff sessions who sort of conceded in this moment. like you're making me nervous, you know. brett kavanaugh, she asked in a pointed line of questioning, can you think of any procedures, laws that govern a man's poed? she can get right to an issue. how will those skills serve her

in this 100-day print to november? >> that's a great question and a spot-on observation. in this candidacy, in her as a leader and as a public servant, there is so much about her that enabled everyday americans to find a place in the coalition that she is trying to build and to lead forward. to be a successful elected leader in a state like california that's one of the most diverse in our country, the skill is all about coalition building. bringing people together who speak different languages, who come from different countries, who are in varying economic positions, who are both rural and urban and, as well as suburban, and the success of this vice president having been direct elected over and over again in a state like california shows us all that she knows the importance of coalition building and how to go about creating

opportunity for everyone to see themselves and truly be a part of it. i'll just share a quick note. i flew to phoenix, arizona, with her when she was doing a reproductive freedom rally a few week ago. i met a woman who was excited to introduce herself to me as a former nikki haley voter in the republican primary in arizona who was thrilled that this campaign, that the vice president specifically was creating a space for other nikki haley voters to be a part of a fight for freedom and democracy in the united states. and she was there with her daughter. so this 14 a generational opportunity, not just for democrats, but a generational opportunity for families across this country who see that there is a different choice than chaos and confusion and criminality, but that can see a vision of economic prosperity, of decency

and civility and a clear pathway forward to our next level of excellence as a nation. >> you make a great point that the portfolio that she has been in charge of as the country's vice president is perhaps its most bipartisan. i mean, the abortion bans have failed in places like kansas and ohio and north carolina, and she has been the point person on that. just quickly, what do you think that experience has sort of done to augment her ability to speak to the whole country? >> yeah, look, i think it has re-imagined for her, helped to remind her the unity of the american people on fundamental freedoms that are essential to the definition of our democracy. we are not going back. that is the signal that ohio sent. that's the signal that kansas sent. it is the signal that montana sent. and i think those conversations with people from all walks truly inspired where she is today.

>> such, such important insights. senator laphonza butler, thank you so much for being a part of our coverage. if freet to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you. when we come back, a top government watchdog group now calling for supreme court justice samuel alito to resign. the head of that group will be our next guest. don't go anywhere. t, with any d, at prices you'll love. delivered fast, right to your door. for low prices and fast shipping. for life with pets, there's chewy with everything. (children speaking)

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working -- a way of living together peacefully, but it's difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can't be compromised. >> yes, that is audio of a sitting american supreme court justice, samuel alito, talking about how difficult it is to live peacefully about w people on the left. that's just one of the many, many, many scandals surrounding alito that have come to light in the past few months alone. now a court watchdog group is calling for him to resign, saying his presence on the court has eroded the legitimacy of the highest court in the land, the supreme court, citing the revelations that flags associated with christian nationalists and the january 6th insurrectionists flew above the alito's home, citizens for

responsibility and ethics in washington right write this. the judiciary is supposed to stand as a guardian of the constitution and protector of the rule of law. but it only fulfill its constitutional role if the public accepts its legitimacy. your actions over the past several years, in particular stretching back to the january 6th insurrection, have contributed to the shattering of that legitimacy. for the sake of the court and for the sake of our democracy, we urge you to resign from office. joining us, president of citizens for responsibility and ethics, noah is back. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> so, what do you expect the response to be? what conversation do you hope to get started? >> well, although, as there's been more criticism of him, he has

occasionally at least felt the need to defend himself in the press. we may get a little bit of that but i think you know, we are hoping for is mark conversations among the american people, more conversations in congress who have oversight authority about what needs to be done to get the us supreme court back to a place where the american people respect it and believe that justices are deciding cases based on merit not based on pre- existing biases. in the conduct that justice alito has engaged in has eroded that confidence in a very serious way. >> the public opinion polling is just astounding. the vast majority of americans do not approve of the job the supreme court is doing, the vast majority of americans don't believe that they adhere to the same ethics laws that govern other places in the judiciary, and president biden threw his

weight behind or announced his intention, things like term limits, wildly popular among the american people, and stronger ethics. is that in your view, something that should be front and center and how should we do that? >> it does have to be front and center for the american people. i mean, for the longest time, the supreme court has been asking us to trust them to handle their own business. i was in the room, in 2006 when justice alito went through his confirmation hearing, i was a council in the senate, when he not only said, it was a difficult confirmation and he was questioned about whether he would recuse in cases where he had a conflict and not only did

he say he would follow the law but he said he would be one of those judges that went beyond what the law requires, he has not done that, he has failed in his obligations, so you need to add external controls. you need an enforceable code of ethics which is one of the things that president biden is coming out in support four. you need things like term limits that allow for new justices to come in before justices get to a point where they are so out of touch with the american people but they feel like they can do anything they want. so we need to have those conversations. it should be part of the presidential debate and part of all of our conversations now . >> it certainly has risen to a top-tier issue for voters. thank you for joining us. a quick break for us, we will be right back. right back. wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪

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