tv Alex Wagner Tonight MSNBC July 23, 2024 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT
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on the couch get involved? >> so one thing you can do is make a small donation, not just a kamala harris, but to my colleagues running for swing seats across the country. tammy baldwin was standing on the speech in wisconsin. you should make a donation to her. when he told the senate and win back the house of representatives and the great thing about technology today is that even if you are in a blue state, a constituent of mine in connecticut, i would love for you to help me, but i won't feel bad or take it personally if you sign up for a virtual phone day in pennsylvania, in arizona, in wisconsin. it is as easy as going to the dnc website for the presidential website to find out how you can be part of these voter turnout operations in these swing states. that is a smorgasbord of options. >> that is a perfect elevator pitch, senator and very generous. senator chris murphy, thank you
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so much. that does it for me tonight. president biden will address the nation at 8:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow night. we will bring that you live in that special team coverage right here on msnbc and alex wagner tonight starts now. hi, alex. >> i think i will see you tomorrow night virtual or in person. we have a lot to talk about. >> absolutely. >> as we have all week. >> a lot will happen. >> see you tomorrow. so this is what the crowds look like when vice president kamala harris rolled into milwaukee today as the democratic party de facto presidential nominee. more than 3000 people packed into a high school auditorium to hear her speak. the campaign originally intended to hold this event at a smaller venue, but there were so many rsvps they had to move it at the last minute to accommodate the crowd. and you can see, can you see? there you go, there were lots of
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freshly printed signs. there were people holding signs saying yes we can and there was a candidate ready to take the fight directly to donald trump. >> before i was elected vice president, before i was elected united states senator, i was elected attorney general of the state of california and i was a courtroom prosecutor both are then and in those roles i took on perpetrators of all kinds. predators who abused women. fraudsters who ripped off consumers. cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. so hear me when i say, i know donald trump's type.
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>> just to underscore how historic and also surreal this all is, this is the first actual campaign speech kamala harris has given as a presidential candidate in the 2024 race and she is already the de facto nominee. the speed with which this is happening is astounding. a little more than 48 hours ago, president biden withdrew from the race and endorsed his running mate. the democratic party coalesced around kamala harris and thousands of delegates announced their support for her and now kamala harris is laying out the vision for what her administration might do.
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>> we believe in a future where every person has the opportunity not just to get by, but to get ahead. a future where no child has to grow up in poverty. where every worker has the freedom to join a union. where every person has affordable healthcare. affordable childcare. and paid family leave. ours is a fight for the future. >> if all of this is not enough evidence that we are in a historic moment for american politics, if that is not enough, vice president harris
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had yet another data point on offer. >> we are running a people powered campaign. and we just had some breaking news. we just had the best 24 hours. of grassroots fundraising in presidential campaign history. >> the harris campaign says it has raised more than $100 million since sunday. this is what momentum, the big mo, as they say, this is what that looks like. this week three new national polls were released. all of them show kamala harris
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and donald trump in a dead heat, within the margin of error. one of those shows harris leading trump by two points. the same poll last week found joe biden trailing by two points, also within the margin of error. when third-party candidate robert f kennedy junior is included, harris's lead over trump jumps to four points. this evening trump announced he would be open to more than one debate with vice president harris, a sign that trump may be concerned about harris's viability. that concern likely only increased with his new data about grassroots support. on sunday night, hours after president biden made his announcement, an estimated 90,000 black women and allies logged onto a call organized to build support for harris. a number so big that 50,000 of those attendees had to watch on a separate stream and to give you some context, four years ago a similar organizing call
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for harris as biden's vice presidential nominee had 90 participants, so literally a 1000 fold increase. this campaign has been a series of unprecedented moments from the criminal conviction of the republican front-runner to a career ending presidential debate to an attempted assassination, but until now none of those historic moments have appeared to move the needle with american voters. the question now is that finally starting to change? joining us now is the founder of win with black women, which organized the call of harris supporters with 90,000 attenders . also the host of the podcast and general counsel to the congressional black caucus and alexis miguel johnson, president of the found planned parenthood of america
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foundation. you organized it, so why would love to start with you. first of all, who even knew that 90,000 people could do anything at the same time on the internet without something crashing, but talk to me about how it came together and what it was like to get the number of rsvps, just to the interest that apparently electrified a real part of the american electorate. >> well, there are two words. it is kamala harris and it was quite historic to be in unity and in coalition with so many black women and some of our allies that joined that call as well and that night we had just a powerful moment of unity, unified around one goal and that was our commitment to ensuring that vice president kamala harris is the next president of the united states and it was great to be there with both alexis and angela, who have been part of the win
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with black women collective for the last four years. we have been meeting on sunday nights. we came together four years ago around our collective outrage against the racism and sexism that we were seeing in the narrative as it related to vice president kamala harris, when she was discussed as a nominee for vice president on the 2020 presidential ticket and we kept those meetings going. on sunday night we had a standing call, because black women had been organizing. a beautiful letter that melanie campbell penned, where black women were speaking very boldly about our support of the biden- harris ticket. when we got the news we knew that our agenda was going to shift a bit and we knew we would have increased interest in the call, but my goodness, the fire that was lit. we had, what, 44,000 i believe on the actual zoom and another 50,000 in clubhouse and on other
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zooms, because we knew that we wanted to be united. we wanted to be a sisterhood with each other and three, we knew we had to get to work. the call was about celebrating this historic moment, but just as much about getting to work and that is why you saw the one point $5 million raised led by star jones and you saw 10,000 women signed up to organize and this has just caught on and we are seeing black men, the powerful call that they had last night and other allies are following suit and organizing calls, because we are all just excited about vice president kamala harris, not just what she represents, but the incredible record that she has had. >> of course it was a standing call, right? guess what, black women are organizing even when the world is not watching. even when nobody is talking about it, the work goes on, the
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fight continues. alexis, i take to heart about what you are saying that it was not just a celebration, it was also marching orders. you know, there is a strategy behind all of this that is not just about protecting kamala harris, but also going on the offense in terms of what donald trump and his allies may try to do in the coming months. can you talk about that? >> absolutely. we have been clear that donald trump is an existential threat to the black community and all the rights and freedoms we care about and the very democracy we are trying to save in this moment. i think what felt so powerful on sunday night's we were used to being called to lead. that was actually the leadership and the work and the brilliance of jotaka eaddy and all of our sisters meeting for so long, but this felt like we were in a moment where we had the power to dream, right? it is different when you actually see that and i think that inspiration and that moment
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when 44,000 black women are on a call and we are taking those marching orders and talking about knowing, in this moment, in this moment, the amount of sexism and racism and violence that can be coming at our leader. at many leaders who are going to be on that call and how we have to take the helm and ensure that she knows that our hands are on her back, supporting her, so she can do what she needs to do out there, so taking that work and continuing on, it is the most incredible moment. >> angela, can you talk about how you came away from that call and where you think the greatest amount of work needs to be done as it concerns vice president harris, the de facto nominee? >> absolutely. first i want to take the time to honor this work that when we don't see at the jotaka eaddy puts into these calls. she is in just this way organizing these calls.
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she has this way about protecting our interests at all times. whether it is ensuring that we are all watching a film, two marilyn mosby, which is much- deserved, to bringing brittney griner home, which is also deserved and all of those things are tied to the legacy of kamala harris and that is what this call is about. i was on the call and got off because i was at the roots concert with my family in seattle. they hit me back and were like you need to go back on because she was right there. it is my honor to walk shoulder to shoulder with her. i think we had a celebratory moment on sunday and at the same time, as alexis was saying, there were marching orders flying. while we can have relief and celebrate, we also know that the work is just beginning. now with folks talking about her sleeping her way to the top. now what she is up against his folks lying about her border
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record, calling her a border czar. now she is up against questioning her ethnicity, her fidelity to the people. this is a woman who pledged at her university. it is ridiculous. we know already, we are black women who have been passed over for promotions. we have been underpaid and overworked. we know we are under attack from the womb to the tomb and to that end there is no better fighter in this moment then kamala harris. it was a divine appointment on sunday. 100 days until the election. we have our work cut out for us. i don't even endorse candidates. this is about doing the right wing to protect the democracy that this country said it stands on and believes in and there is no better champion for that then kamala harris. there is nobody better to prosecute the case against donald trump. we all know that. we are all very clear, so divine timing with the marching orders. >> you know it is such a point
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well taken about the bigness of this moment and the fact that the antifascist coalition, the pro-democracy coalition is big in this country and you see that in the last 48 hours. i do wonder whether this upends the traditional political playbook because we are talking about what states are must win and the atlantic brings the shadow of obama to this moment and suggests that some people think the gains that kamala harris could generate over biden among the key elements, young people, minorities, college- educated whites, could exceed whatever erosion she might experience with working-class and older voters. nominating a black woman would challenge the belief that politicians have to appease older white voters to be successful. is that true now, or can the country evolve? >> i think we are in a moment
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of a new realignment. it is a coalition she will capture because we often think about what are the conditions that have gotten us to this moment right now. we have gone through and lost a historic election with the first female nominee. we have also been through me too. we have lost jobs. we've been in a moment where we actually understand what fascism feels like. it is happening every day on the ground in communities when our rights are being stripped away from us and people are traveling hundreds of miles to get access to basic healthcare and she has been a voice helping articulate that. our best messenger helping articulate the real stakes on the ground and in community and she will be doing that with her economic message. she will be helping us understand the global trends and fear around what fascism looks like abroad. i actually think that we have the ability now to really create a new alignment. this will always be a turnout election and she just energized the base in a way that no other candidate had and so i think
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that is the excitement, right? that is the joy. a coach once told me when they wanted to understand what he was going to win, the first thing they do is look at who has their shoulders back? >> so true. >> because they are the believers. i think because we are sitting taller in this moment and capturing that and building the infrastructure, it is the belief that the infrastructure put in place four years ago, the infrastructure that we rely on every day planned parenthood action fund and the commentary that angela and others do to help us make meaning of this moment, that is actually what will capture the momentum and move us forward. >> you mentioned black men in terms of their engagement and there has been narratives, some data about trump making inroads in communities of color and specifically with young black men. how much do you think, anecdotally given the short timeframe, do you think this changes that calculation,
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especially among men of color? >> absolutely. last night there were i believe 20,000 on zoom. they reached capacity very quickly and i think overall there was probably more than 40,000 black men organizing for vice president harris last night. black men are talking. what we know is donald trump, he has always been about the paper tigers, right? what we are seeing is just, i believe, not very much the real story. where we will win this election, we are going to win door to door in communities across the country and that is where black men are talking to each other. they are organizing and i believe we will see more momentum from blackman, organizing for kamala harris and working in solidarity with black women and other allies to make sure as angela outlined that over the next hundred days we will get to work because we are already to see vice president kamala harris be the
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next president of this country. >> angela, how much stock should democrats put in states like georgia and nevada and arizona and north carolina at this stage of the game? you think that is wish casting or do you think kamala harris has opened up the map? >> i think she absolutely opened up the map and it is getting back to a 50 state strategy. you can't leave any stone unturned. you don't know what the impact will be of what folks will try to do to steal an election. we lost an election with a female candidate at the top, hillary clinton. we actually didn't. if it was just a popular vote we would be singing a different song and we have to remember that. every vote counts. you have to invest the dollars. you can't do the same old consultants letting them tell you what ever about polls. you just asked about black men. why haven't folks talked to terrence? he is hearing something different. i think it is important where
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you're getting your data from. i joke all the time that i've never been called. not just data that they copy and paste. >> jotaka eaddy, angela rye, thank you for your time and wisdom and perspective. alexis mcgill johnson, please stick around, i have a little bit more to talk to you about. we have more to get to including how within hours of the endorsement, house republican leaders reportedly had to tell their members to stop injecting race and racism into the presidential election. plus, the harris campaign has vetted a number of potential running mates. one of the names on the short list joins me next.
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harris's campaign has come together at an incredible pace. they put together staff and a new campaign logo and a social media meme factory and a merch shop at record speed. the same may be true for her running mate. the dnc plans to start virtual roll call voting as soon as august 1 and reports indicate a vice presidential nominee could be chosen by the middle of next week. as in the middle of next week. the harris campaign has requested materials from roy cooper, pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, arizona senator mark kelly, michigan governor gretchen whitmer and minnesota governor tim walz. i'm joined by someone on the shortlist, minnesota governor tim walz. also the chair of the democratic governors association and the cochair of the dnc rules committee. a very busy man indeed.
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thank you for taking the time to join me tonight. first i have to ask about the weirdness of being so intimately involved with all of these proceedings and also on the list to be a credential potential running mate with kamala harris. how does that feel? >> look, i am a high school teacher and yes, very surreal. i would start out by saying more of your previous guests injected right into my veins, that is the future we are looking at. what i saw and what we all saw this afternoon in milwaukee was an american future we all want, one that we know can be there. that sense of optimism, that sense of joy, that sense of hopefulness. look, we were laughing with each other, not at someone. a positive vision. i am all in on this positive future. i am all in that we can heal some of these riffs. you saw soon to be president
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harris exhibit all of those qualities and a grace that america is so hungry for. i'm excited to be here. i have not felt this energy in a long time. america is smiling again. we are seeing other americans as neighbors, not as someone to denigrate. i tell you, the smallness of the trump campaign and the smallness of the trump vance vision is in full display and your previous guest showed that. put anyone against that and i will take those odds. >> it feels like the equivalent of a 72 hour emotional balloon drop over the democratic party, the sense of joy, relief, elation, all the things. i do wonder as the governor of minnesota there has been talk about how trump is doubling down on white, working-class votes. how j.d. vance is a direct expression of that. i know you had harsh words and i think you said this morning
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on morning joe, people like j.d. vance know nothing about small- town america. talk to me more about why you think this is a gross miscalculation on the part of the trump campaign? >> a, i grew up in a town of 24 people. 12 were cousins. the things that make small- town's work are good public schools. things that work about being good to your neighbors and helping out and the golden rule of a small town, mind your business. he wants to be in our exam rooms. they want to privatize our public schools. do you think you will find a private school in a town of 400? these are absolute policies. his robber baron mentality gutted middle america. they are misreading where people are at. i won't underestimate. you can scare people. you can bring anger. you can tell them the brown man will steal your job, but these are good folks that want a fair shake and that fear does not work. soon to be president harris building on the biden legacy,
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bringing back good jobs. bringing back manufacturing jobs. investing in our public schools. treating teachers and nurses with dignity. he is totally misreading this. the guy flips on everything. it frustrates me that somehow the denigration that hillbilly elegy did, that somehow this is a cultural effort. no, we are mad that republican policies gutted our schools, gutted our communities and now you have soon to be president harris talking about reinvesting in that. i could not be more excited. your previous guest was right. we will win the governorship in north carolina. we will win in new hampshire. we will compete in montana. we will compete in indiana because our policies work. this is what is good for the middle class, so i am excited about it and i think our messenger in kamala harris today, the joy and miles on people's faces.
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i have a 23-year-old daughter. we are back. we are there. everything is fired up again. i don't know what you mean, but i'm sure it's a good thing, so we are excited. >> i think a lot of people are getting familiar with that summer, governor. i have to ask because we are talking about j.d. vance, who is of course trump's running mate, as of right now. questions around when we will find out, as kamala harris is the de facto nominee, when will the feasible timetable for finding out her running mate be? we know there will be virtual roll call voting happening between august 1 and august 7. should people out there watching this eager with anticipation believe that the vice presidential nominee will be announced in that same timeframe? is there any indication you might give us? >> look, that is a choice that vice president harris will
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make. our rules are the way they have always been. it is an open process, by the way. anyone who wants to run can if you can get 300 delegates. it will be tough because everybody is lined up behind the vice president. they love the message. they love the hope, but you can do that. it will be the vice president's decision. you normally see that on the first day of the convention the announcement is made. most of this is to meet the ballot requirements because since january 6 republicans have tried to destroy the electoral system and there is no sense of protecting democracy. we want to make sure we don't miss any deadlines, but that will be a choice for the vice president. we want to make sure that she picks the right person for her and who can lead us to victory because for all of us there is one goal, defeat donald trump and bring america back that we love. >> do you know that donald trump is tweeting about you being on fox news, complaining why did fox news put up tim walz, governor of minnesota where i am leading?
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make me fight battles i shouldn't have to fight. you have thoughts on that? >> yeah, well, he has nothing better to do apparently. >> complaining about fox news, governor. >> i know, here is my thing, too, to be candid. in rural america my relatives are watching fox news. i think we can take a message to them, but the idea of being obsessed with this, look, it's going to be a tight race, but we are going to win and you talk about the new coalition, this obama coalition. i believe soon to be president harris will win older white folks like me, like my family, because it is a message that matters. that we matter, that our schools matter. that our jobs matter. better environment matters. these are weird people on the other side. they want to take books away. they want to be in the exam room. that is what it comes down to. don't sugarcoat this.
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these are weird ideas. listen now they speak. listen to how your previous guests were right. they told them they should not talk about race. they can't help it. it is built into their dna because there is no plan. there is nothing to do on this. they want to take away our alliances and leave russia to do whatever they want. they are bad on one policy, bad on the environment. they certainly have no healthcare plan and they keep talking about the middle class that a robber baron and venture capitalist trying to say they understand who we are. they don't know who we are. >> that is their version of populism and let me tell you, that ain't a brat summer. i know it's not that. minnesota governor tim walz, thank you so much for joining. >> thanks for having me. still to come tonight, the prosecutor versus the perp. how kamala harris is leaning into her career in law enforcement. plus, as soon as biden dropped out of the race, from supporters started saying the quiet part
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dei hire? >> 100%. >> she does not speak well, she does not work hard, she does not inspire anyone and she should not be the standard bearer for the party. >> democrats feel they have to stick with her, because of her ethnic background. >> not a subtle strategy. political reports house republican leaders told lawmakers this morning to stop making race comments about vice president harris, but whether the head of the party will actually be able to restrain himself is an open question, one i know the answer to. this afternoon he gave us a clip . >> there was nobody nastier than her. she played the race card at a level you rarely see. >> training me now is tim miller, cohost of the next level podcast. great to see you. i will take the under on trump staying on message.
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what about you? >> is it possible to go lower? i don't know, no. he's not going to be able to do it. the head of the organization needs to send out a memo and the memo says guys, don't be racist. please don't be racist, guys. it might be a sign that you are part of an organization that has some race relations issues you might want to reflect upon. if you are part of a healthy organization and a diverse and prosperous organization you don't need to send out the don't be racist men memo because people aren't. >> it probably shouldn't surprise people that the republican party is looking toward division and racism is a way to champion their own fortunes, but i am still stunned by the smallness of trump's response. he was untrue social i think it was today, saying he thinks he should get a refund for the
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money he spent during this campaign. now we have to start all over again. shouldn't the republican party be reimbursed for fraud and that everyone around joe including his doctors and the fake news media knew he was not capable of running for or being president? just asking. just asking, tim. this suggests there is no strategy in the trump campaign if the first response is i want a refund for the money i spent. >> they are flailing. there has been a lot of praise for how professional the campaign operation they brought and they land on a message against vice president harris, but they don't have one right now. the candidate himself, i noticed that you pointed out that i guess on a call with reporters where he did this attack, the reverse racism attack and he has been on his social media feed. where has he been, you know? there was a lot of discussion, a lot of discourse on where the
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previous presumptive nominee was and their campaign schedule. what is trump doing all day? for a while he had or dates, i understood that. you would think this would be a moment for them to try to counter the kamala momentum you've seen and that you would have trump trying to deliver a counter message, but they don't have one and that vacuum has allowed for these kinds of racist outbursts from lesser members of the party to draw all the attention. >> i also think there is something about this kind of showering of hope and good vibes to be in layman's terms about it, is pretty intoxicating even from the sidelines and trump's campaign, the premise of his existence in american politics is grievance and anger. the thing about hope is people like feeling good and that is a powerful intoxicant. trump's saying i will debate
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with kamala harris multiple times in the 105 days we have left. do you think that is a good idea? >> i think you will have to do it. before the debate, trump's message, obviously there is some lines from the old republican party to now. one real difference is that trump's message is around how america is awful. that there is american carnage. that things are terrible. there is an invasion of the border and all of this nonsense he has been spewing. that message feels a lot weaker in contrast to the powerful images and messages we have seen in the last few days and i think there is no doubt that it is tough to match. it is tough to beat good vibes with really negative complaining and grievance and whining and i think that having to change tunes for trump is
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going to be challenging. as far as the debate, i think he will have to. if his whole campaign is based on machismo and last night at the convention he literally had hulk hogan there. you can't be the tough guy and also hide from a debate with the vice president with your female opponent. i don't think his ego will allow for that. >> i will say i do wonder, tim alberta said there is concern about vance. i wonder if there is straight up buyers remorse in a moment like this? >> how could there not to be? they did the presidential apprentice, so you would have thought they would have done their due diligence, but he has negative charisma. i don't know what he adds to the ticket. he brings a ton of negatives with his baggage around women's issues and they say that he is supposed to help with working- class white folks, but you had
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tim walz in the last segment. a lot of people who actually come from working-class communities have compelling counter messages to j.d. vance if you look at how he has changed his tune since he wrote the book. he doesn't even have credibility in those issues. if we are going back to bedding at the top of the segment, i would bet a cool five dollars that donald trump has asked one person on the golf cart if he made a mistake already. he has already run that by somebody, i feel quite confident. >> tim miller bringing it back to the betting odds. i appreciate you. thank you for making the time tonight. still to come, kamala harris is leaning into her history as a former prosecutor, running against a man convicted of 34 felonies. the trump campaign is trying to flip the script. we will have more on that next. well always discreet can hold your biggest gushes with up to zero leaks and odor.
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terrain in the powers of police. the trump campaign has already begun using her record to accuse her of embracing pro- criminal, soft on crime policies. dreading he now is cofounder and ceo of the center for policing equity and professor of psychology at yale university. thank you for being here. first i want to talk about what is happening on the left, because this moment, 2024, feels distinctly different from 2020 in a number of ways. one is the discussion around criminal justice and the other is that kamala harris did not have to run the gauntlet of a democratic primary. how do you see the conversation being this time around? >> it obviously feels quite secondary to the momentous events of the past weekend. we are talking about it in terms of her and how she stacks
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up as a threat to the guy running on the other side at this moment when there is a ton of energy around the democratic candidate where there was not previously. it is a different conversation. i think what we will see over the course of the next several months is that it will become more and more central both to her messaging and the attacks against her. >> what do you think of the way the trump campaign is trying to weaponize her as soft on crime? they cite the 2004 refusal to seek the death penalty for david hill who murdered a san francisco police officer. he got a life sentence. and the decision by her da's office in 2007 to give probation to a man who went on to commit a brutal assault? it should be noted that he was a first-time offender, so probation was the typical punishment in that case. do you think that is effective as the refrain of law and order is so intoxicating to the right?
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>> whether or not it will be effective is really up to this country, right? essentially what is happening is that trump and trump spokespeople will be leaning into stereotypes about blue controlled cities and states. leaning into stereotypes about black people and crime and if that works, for sure we have seen that before. i've got to say that it seems a risky gambit to say this person is not hard enough on crime when the other candidate has 34 felony convictions. it is not clear to me that that is what is going to win the day. also if we are going to have a conversation about law and order, kamala harris is someone i would like to have that conversation. i would like her to articulate why she made the decision she did. you have someone able to reduce the number of incarcerations for simple possession. someone who refused the death penalty and someone who trusted
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science rather than scapegoating when it came to criminal justice. you have someone who understands how the systems work and i have to hope if we are having conversations about how you reduce violent crime and the fear of that in communities that worry about it, that the person who knows how those systems work as opposed to the person wriggling to get out of those systems is going to look significantly better. >> i am with you in her ability to speak in a nuanced and experienced way on matters of criminal justice and criminal justice reform, there is no one else like her and the fact of the matter is it is not always one thing or the other. her record is perhaps more conservative in some areas and progressive and others and she had to live that line as a prosecutor and as the attorney general. when it comes to trump's own felonious present, i wonder what you make of her current line, which is i know donald trump's type? she said it now into appearances and i wonder how well you think
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that diffuses or gets to the heart of the matter. >> it is a really, i think lovely bit of politics, because it does not just work in terms of describing the malfeasance he has been engaged in, from sexual assault to scamming and fraud and self-interest. it is also talking about a dude who is a type and it does a really lovely job of communicating a whole bunch of things with simple messaging. i think it is incredibly effective. i also think it is the kind of thing that gets her prepared to define the race as someone who understands house stems work -- understands how systems work as opposed to someone working in self-interest who does not understand how any of the systems work. what we will see over the next couple of weeks is after the enthusiasm and the sort of eruption of this week has passed, how easy is it going to be to push back against the
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people who you have to send a letter to to be all right, racism out loud is not good. it has been effective politically for generations. if we are able to get past that, i have strong, high hopes about what comes next, but that is definitely a hurdle that will be right at the center of the conversation. >> thank you for your wisdom tonight. thanks for your time. >> inks, alex. >> we will be right back. we all need fiber for our digestive health, but less than 10% of us get enough each day. good thing metamucil gummies are an easy way to get prebiotic, plant-based fiber. with the same amount of fiber as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies. the easy way to get your daily fiber. as americans, there's one thing we can all agree on.
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