all across the country. tammy baldwin was standing on the stage in wisconsin. you should make a donation to herbert not only with the presidency but we need to hold the united states senate and win back those representatives and the great thing about technology today is that even if you are in a blue state, even if you are a constituent of connecticut i would love for you to help me, but i want you that, i won't take it personally if you also sign up for a virtual phone bank in pennsylvania, in arizona, in wisconsin. so it is as easy as going to the dnc's website or to the presidential website to find out how you can be part of these voter turnout operations in the swing states. that is a small smorgasbord of options for people that want to make a big difference. >> that is a perfect elevator pitch. and very generous, too. senator chris murphy, thank you so much. that does it for me tonight. president biden will address the nation at 8:00 p.m. eastern time tomorrow night. will bring that to your life. we have special team coverage right here on msnbc and alex wagner tonight darts right now. hi, alex. >> hi, jen. i think i'm going to see you tomorrow night. >> i will see you tomorrow.

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[ chanting "kamala" >> just to underscore how historic and also surreal this all is, this is actually the first campaign speech kamala harris has given as a presidential candidate in the 2024 race, and she's already the de facto nominee the speed at which this is all happening is just aastounding a little more than 48 hours ago president biden withdrew from the race and endorse his running the democratic party instantly coalesced around kamala harris and then thousands of delegates announced their support for her. and now kamala harris is laying out a vision for what her administration might do. >> we believe in a future where every person has the opportunity not just to get by but to get ahead. a future where no child has to grow up in poverty, where every

worker has the freedom to join a union. where every person has affordable health care, affordable child care, and paid family leave. ours is a fight for the future. >> if all of this isn't enough evidence that we are in a historic moment for american politics, that'sam not enough. vice president harris has yet another data point on offer. >> running a people powered campaign.

and we just had some breaking news. we just had the best 24 hours of grass root fund-raising in presidential campaign history. >> the harris campaign says it has raised more than $100 million since sunday. this is what momentum, the big moswz as they say, this is what it looks like. this week three national polls were released. all of them show kamala harris and donald trump within a dead heat within the margin of error. one of those polls shows harris leading trump by 2 points. and that same poll last week found joe biden trailing trump by 2 points, also within the margin of error. when third party candidate robert f. kennedy jr. is

included in the poll harris' lead over trump jumps to 4 points. this evening trump announced he would be open to more than one debate as a concern he might concerned about harris' viability here. and that concern only increased with harris' grass root support. sunday night just hours after harris made the announcement a number so big that 50,000 of those attendees had to watch on a separatete stream. to give you some context, four years ago a similar organizing call for harris as biden's vice presidential nominee had 90 participants, so literally 1,000-fold increase. this campaign has been a series of unprecedented moments from the criminal ofconviction of th republican front-runner to a career f ending presidential

debate to anin attempted assassination. up until now none of those historic moments have appeared to move the needle with american voters. the question now -- is that finally starting to change? joining us now the founder of win with black women, which organized that call of harris supporters with 90,000 attendees. also with me angela rie, former director of executive council to the black caucus and of the planned parenthood foundation of america. i'd love to start with you. i mean, first of all, who even knew that 90,000 people could do anything at the same time on the internet without it crashing, but talk to me how it all came

together and what it was like to get the number of rsvps, just the interest that apparently electrified a real part of the american electorate. >> well, there's just two words. it's kamala harris and it's quite historic to be in unity and in coalition with so many black women and some off our allies that joined that call that night. we had a powerful unity around one goal, and that was our commitment to seeing and ensuring that vice president kamala harris is the next president of the united states. and it was great to be there with both alexis and angela who have been part of the win with black women collective for the last four years. so we have been meeting on sunday nights. for the last four years, we came together four years ago around our collective outreach against the racism and sexism that we were seeing in the narrative as it related to vice president kamala harris when she was being

discussed as a nominee for vice president on a the 2020 presidential ticket. and we had a standing call because black women had been organizing a beautiful letter penned where black women were speaking boldly about the support of the biden-harris ticket. we knew we were going to have increased interest in the call, butth my goodness the fire that was lit, and we had what 44,000 i believe on the actual zoom and another 50,000 black women that were in clubhouse and on other zooms because we all knew in that moment,d one, we wanted t be united. two, we wanted today be a sister hood with each other, and three, we knew we had to get to work. that's what that call was about. it was about celebrating this historic moment but just as much

about getting done the work. you saw the $1.5 million raised by star jones, and you saw 10,000 women sign up to organize, and this has just caught on, and we're seeing black men, the powerful call that they had last night, and other allies are following suit and organizing calls because we are all just excited about vice president kamala harris not only what she represents but the incredible record that she has had. >> of course it was a standing call, right? it was like guess what black women are organizing even when the world is not watching, right? even when no one is talking about it the work goes on, the fight continues. alexis, i take to heart what you were saying about it wasn't just a celebration but marching orders. it sounds like, you know, there's a strategy behind all this, which iseh about not just protecting kamala harris but also going on the offense in terms of what donald trump is his allies may try to do to her

in the coming months. can you talk a little about that? >> yeah,it absolutely. first of all, we've been clear donald trump is an existential threat to the black community and all the rights and freedoms, to the very democracy we're trying to save in this moment. i think what felt so powerful sunday night is we are used to beingay called into lead. we're used to being called in -- and that was the leadership of the work and brilliance of all our sisters who have been meeting for so long, but this felt like we were in a moment where we had the power to dream. it hits different when you actually see that, and i think that inspiration and that moment when 44,000 black women are on e call, and we are taking those marching orders and we are talking about knowing in this moment, in this moment the amount of sexism and racism and violence that can be coming at our leader, at our -- at many leaders who are going to be on

that call, and how we have to take the helm and ensure she knows our hand is on her back supporting so she knows what to do outti there. so taking that work on is the most incredible moment. you take more about how you sort of came away from that call and where you think the greatest amount of work need to be as it concerns vice presidenn harris, the de facto nominee? >> absolutely. first of all, i want to take the time to honor the work, the toil she puts into these calls. she's this way about protecting our interests at all times whether it's from helping a black woman director in hollywood to ensure we're all watching that film to a pardon from marilyn mosby which is much deserved, to bringing brittney griner back home, all those things are tied to the legacy of kamala harris, and that is what

this call a is about. i was on the call and got off because i was at the roots concert with my family in seattle and was like you need to go back on, and i was right there. it's my honor to walk shoulder to shoulder with her. we had a celebratory moment on sunday, and at the same time as alexis was saying there were marching orders flying. while we can have relief and while we can celebrate, we also know the work is just beginning. now what kamala harris is up against is folks talking about her sleeping her way to the top. now what she's up against is folks u lying about her border record, calling her a border czar. now what she's up against is folks questioning her ethnicity, questioning her fidelity to black culture, black people. this is a woman who pledged akaa at harvard university. it's ridiculous. we have black women passed over

promotions at our o jobs, black women underpaid at our work. we know we've been attacked from the womb to the tomb. in that moment there's no better fighter in this moment than kamala harris. it was a divine appointment on sunday, and we've got our work cut out for us. i don't even endorse candidates. this isn't even about that to me. it's about protecting the democracy this country says it stands on and believes in. there's no better champion than that than kamala harris and no better one to prosecute donald trump than kamala harris. with good marching orders, we're ready to go. >> it's such a point well-taken about this moment, alexis, and the fact the anti-fascist coalition, a the pro-democracy coalition is big in this country. and you see that in the last 48 hours. i do wonder whether you think

this moment upends the traditional political playbook because we're talking a lot about what states must win, and ron brownstein of the atlantic brings the shadow of obama to this moment and suggests some people think the games kamala harris could generate over biden over key elements of the old obama coalition, so that's young people, minorities, college educated whites, could exceed any erosion she might experience with working class and white voters. nominating a black woman would challenge the belief that politicians have to appease older white voters in order to be successful. is that true now? does it have to be true, or can the country evolve? >> i think we are in a moment of realignment and it's a coalition she willoa capture because we ao think about what are the conditions that have gotten us to this moment right now? we have gone through a lost a historic election with our first femalen nominee. we've also been through me too. we've also lost dobbs.

we've also been in a moment where we actually understand what fascism feels like. it's happening every day on the ground inng our communities whe our rights are being stripped away fromng us and people are traveling hundreds of miles to gethu access to basic health ca. and eshe's been a voice to help usa articulate that, our best messenger helping articulate the stakes on the ground in our communities. she'll be doing that and helping us understand the global trends and fear around what fascism looks like abroad. and so i actually think that we have the ability now to really create a new alignment. this is always going to be a turnout election, and she just energized the base in a way that no other candidate had, right? and so i think that that's the excitement, that's the joy. a coach once told me when they wanted to understand what team was going to win, the first thing they do is look at who has their shoulders back? because they're the believers.

i think because we're sitting taller in this moment and capturing that and building the infrastructure, it is that relief, but the infrastructure put in place four years ago, the infrastructure we rely on every day at planned parenthood and the commentary angela and others and you do to help us meet in this moment, that's what's going to m capture this moment and le us tuforward. >>us you mention black men on ts issue, and there's been some narrative, some data about trump making in roads in communities of color and specifically young black men. how much do you think anecdotally do you think the short time frame we're talking about here does it change the calculation with men of color? >> i think absolutely. last night i think 20,000 on zoom and reached capacity very quickly and i think overall there were 40,000 black men that were organize frg vice president kamala harris last night. they raised over $1 million.

black men are talking. what we know is that donald trump, he's always been about the paper tigers, right? and what we're seeing is i believe just not very much the real story. i think where we're going to win this election, we're going to win it door-to-door in communities across the country, and that's where black men are talking to each other. they're organizing, and i believe that we're going to see more momentum from black men organizing for kamala harris and working in solidarity with black men and other allies to make sure that as angela outlined that over the next 100 days we're going toxt get to work because we are all ready to see vice president kamala harris the next president of this country. >> angela, how much stock should democrats put in states like georgia and nevada and arizona and north carolina at this stage of the game?he do you think that's wish casting, or do you think kamala harris has just opened up the map? >> i think she has absolutely opened up the map, and if

democrats are smart, it's getting back to a 50-state strategy. you cannot leave any stone unturned. you don't know what the impact will be of voter suppression, of what folks will try to do to steal an election. alexis said earlier we lost an election with ar female candide at the top. that was hillary clinton. we actually didn't. if it was just the popular vote, y'all, we would have been singing a different song right now, and i think we've got to remember that. every single vote counts. you have to invest the dollars. you can't do the same old sameole old consultant letting them tell you whatever about polls. why haven't folks talked to terence wilbury. he's hearing something very different from black men. i for one joke on the podcast i've never been polled. i don't know how many black people who have. >> thank you for your time tonight and wisdom and perspective. i prgts you.

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so, yes, vice president kamala harris' campaign has come together at an incredible pace. they put together staff and a new campaign logo and a social media meme factory and a merch shop all at record speed. the same may not have been true for her choice of running mate. the dnc plans to start virtual

roll call voting as soon as august 1st, and reports indicate that a vice presidential nominee could be chosen by the middle of next week, as in the middle of next week. according to nbc news the harris campaign has requested vetting materials from north carolina governor roy cooper, pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, arizona senator mark kelly, michigan governor gretchen whitmer, and minnesota governor tim walz. i'm joined by someone on that short list, minnesota governor tim walz. he's the chair of the democratic governors association and cochair of the dnc rules committee. he's a very busy man, indeed. governor walz, thanks for taking the time to join me tonight. first, i've got to ask about the weirdness, the surreality of being so intimately involved in all these proceedings and also on the list to be potential vice presidential running mate with kamala harris. how does that feel? >> yeah, look, i'm a high school teacher, and yes, very surreal.

but what i have to say is -- i would start out by saying more of your previous guests, inject it right into my veins. what i saw was and what we all saw this afternoon in milwaukee was an american future we all want, one we know can be there. that sense of optimism, that sense of joy, that sense of hopefulness. look, we were laughing with each other, not at someone. just a positive vision. just to be a part of this, i'm all in. i'm all in on this positive future. i'm all in we can heal some of these rifts. you saw soon to be vice president harris exhibit all these qualities and a grace america is so hungry for. i can't tell you, i'm just excited. i'm excite today be here. i've never felt this energy in an awful long time. america is smiling again. i'll tell you the smallphasis of the trump campaign and the

smallness of the trump-vance vision is in full display, and your previous guests showed that. put up anybody against that and i'll take those odds. >> it feels like the equivalent of a 72-hour emotional balloon drop cascading over the democratic party, the sense of joy, relief, elation, all the things. i do wonder, though, as the guv enough of minnesota there's been talk about how trump is doubling down on white votes, how j.d. vance is an expression of that. i know you had some harsh words for j.d. vance, and i think you said this morning on "morning joe" people like j.d. vance know nothing about small tone america. talk to me about why you think this is gross miscalculation of the campaign? >> yeah, they don't. i grew up in a town of 400 people, 22 kids in my graduating class, 12 were cousins. the things that make small towns

work are public schools, the things about being fw to your neighbors. and a golden rule of a small town, mind your own damn business. you want to come in and tell us you want to privatize schools. you think you're going to find a private school in a town of 400? his venture town capitalists gutting america. i won't underestimate, you can scare people, bring anger, tell them oh, the brown man is going to steal your job, but these are good folks who want a fair shake and that fear doesn't work, which what president, soon to be president harris build on the biden legacy is bringing back good jobs, bringing back manufacturing jobs, investing in our public schools, treating teachers, nurses with dignity. the guy flips on everything. it frustrates me that somehow this -- you know, the denigration that hillbilly elegy

did, that somehow this is cultural anger or whatever. no, we're mad republican policies gutted our schools, gutted our communities. and now you have soon to be president harris talking about reinvesting in that. i couldn't be more excited. and being from a small town, i refuse -- your previous guest was right i'm a 50 straight strategy guy. we're going to win the governorship in new hampshire, compete in montana, compete in louisiana. this is what's good for the middle class. so i'm excited about it, and i think our messenger in kamala harris today, the joy and smiles on people's faces, i've got a 23-year-old daughter she's like it's bratz summer, we're back, we're there. everything is fired up again. i don't know what you mean, but i'm sure it's a good thing. we're excited. >> i think a lot of people are getting familiar with bratz summer, governor.

we're talking about j.d. vance, trump's running mate, the question we're going to find out if kamala harris is a de facto democratic nominee, the feasible timetable for finding out who her running mate may be because you are chair of the rules committee. we know there's going to be potentially roll call voting happening between august 1st and august 7th. should people out there watching this eager with anticipation believe that the vice presidential nominee will be announced in that time frame? is there any indication you might give us? >> look, that's a choice vice president harris will make. i think our rules are the way it's always been. it's an open process, by the way. anyone who wants to run can if you can get 300 delegates. it's going to be tough because everybody is lined up behind the vice president because they love the message, they love the hope. but you certainly can do that. we'll go through the process, we'll get a vote. it will then be the vice president's decision. you normally see this on the first day of the convention the

announcement is made. most of this is just to meet the ballot requirements because since january 6th republicans have tried to destroy our electoral system, and there's no sense of protecting the democracy. we want to make sure that we don't miss any deadlines and lock that up. we want to make sure she picks someone that will be the right person for her and lead us all to victory. i think all of us there's one goal here, defeat donald trump and bring back the america we love. >> you know donald trump is tweeting about you being on fox news. complaining why did fox news put up tim walz, the governor of minnesota where i am leading. they make me fight battles i shouldn't have to fight. do you have thoughts on that? >> well, he has nothing better to do apparently. >> she's complaining about fox news, governor. >> here's my thing, too, just to be candid. in rural america my relatives are watching fox news.

i get it. i think we can take a message to them. this idea of being upset with this, it's going to bea tight race, but we're going to win. you talk about this new coalition, the obama coalition. i'll tell you i believe soon to be president kamala harris will win over white voters, she's talking to us we matter, that our schools matter, that our jobs matter, that our environment matters, those freedoms. these are weird people on the other side. they want to take books away, be in your exam room. that's what it comes down to, don't get sugarcoating this, these are weird ideas. listen to how they speak. listen to how your previous guests were right. you said you told them they shouldn't talk about race. they can't help it, it's built into their dna. there's no health care plan, they want to take away our alliances and leave russia to do what they want. they're bad on foreign policy,

certainly have no health care plan and keep talking about the middle class as i said a baron real estate guy and a venture capitalist they don't know who we are. >> let me tell you that ain't a bratz summer. i barely know what a bratz summer is, i just know it's not that. a pleasure to have you on the program. thanks so much for joining. >> thanks for having me. still to come tonight the prosecutor versus the purp. how kamala harris is leaning into her career in law enforcement, plus as soon as biden dropped out of the race trump supporters trying to attack kamala harris started saying the quiet part out loud. we'll have more on that next.

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in the last 48 hours a theme has emerged among trump supporters when it comes to vice president kamala harris. >> she would be the queen of dei if she were elected. she is dei. >> you're suggesting she was a dei hire? >> 100% she was a dei hire. >> she does not speak well, she does not work hard, and she should not be the standard bearer for the party. >> apparently they feel or a lot of democrats feel they have to stick with her because of her ethnic background. >> not a subtle strategy.

now, politico reports that house republican leaders told lawmakers this morning to stop making race comments about vice president harris, but whether the head of the party will be actually able to restrain himself is an open question, one that i think i know the answer to. this afternoon he gave us a clue. >> there was nobody nastier than her. she played the race card at a level that you rarely see. >> joining me now is tim miller, writer at large of the bulwark and co-host of "the next level" podcast. tim, it's great to see. i'm going to take the under on trump staying on message. what about you? >> is it possible to go lower than the under? no, he's not going to be able to do it. it's not a great sign, alex. if you're ever part of an organization and the head of the organization needs to send out a memo and the memo says, guys, don't be racist, right, don't be racist, please don't be racist guys? it might be a sinecure a part of an organization that has some

race relations issues that you might want to reflect upon. if because if you were a part of a healthy organization, a diverse and prosperous organization, you don't really need to send out the don't be racist memo because that's just kind of the thing people just aren't. >> i mean at this point in time it probably shouldn't surprise people that the republican party is looking towards division and laden if not explicit racism as a way to champion their own fortunes, but i am still stunned by the smallness of trump's own response. i mean he was on truth social i think it was today saying he should get a refund for the money he spent during this campaign. here's an excerpt from that. now we have to start all over again. shouldn't the republican party be reimbursed for fraud in that everyone around joe including his doctors and the fake news media knew he was not capable of running for or being president? just asking. just asking, tim. i mean this, though, suggests there is no strategy in the trump campaign if the first response is i want a refund for

the money i spent. >> yeah, they're flailing. there's been a lot of praise for how professional of campaign operation they've run, and eventually they'll land on a message against vice president harris, but they don't have one right now. the candidate himself i noted you appointmented out there he was on a call with reporters where he did this attack, this reverse racism attack. where has he been? there was a lot of discussion, a lot of discourse on where the previous presumptive nominee was of the democratic party and their campaign schedule. what is trump doing all day? for a while he had court dates, i understood that, but i guess he's just been golfing. you think this would be a moment for them to try to counter the kamala momentum you've seen out there and that you have trump out there trying to deliver a

counter message, but they don't have one. and that vacuum has allowed for these kind of racist outbursts from lesser members of the party to kind of draw all the attention. >> i also think there's something about this kind of showering of hope and good vibes to be just kind of like laymans terms about it is pretty intoxicating even from the side lines. and, you know, trump's whole campaign, the premise of his existence in american politics is grievance and anger. the thing about hope is people like feeling good. and that's a pretty powerful intoxicant. trump saying all debate with kamala harris multiple times in this election season in the 105 days we have left, do you think that's a good idea? >> i think he's going to have to do it. really quick on the debate on the vibes side of things trump's message was very -- obviously there's some lines from the old republican party, like one real difference is that trump's

message about how america is awful, that there's american carnage, that things are terrible, there's an invasion at the border and people can't afford -- you know, all of this nonsense he's been spewing, that message feels a lot weaker, you know, in contrast to the powerful images and messages we've seen from the vice president the last two days, and i think there's no doubt that it's tough to match -- you know, that it's tough to beat good vibes with like really negative complaining and grievance and wining, and i think that having to change tunes for trump is going to be challenging. as far as the debate is concerned i think he's going to have to. last night at his convention he literally had hulk hogan there. you can't be the tough guy and also hide from a debate with the vice president with your female opponent. i don't think that his ego will allow for that. >> yeah, i will say i do wonder

if there's some -- tim alberto said there's some concern about vance. i wonder if there's straight up buyers remorse in a moment like this. >> how could there not be? have you watched him inhe is the guy -- they did the presidential apprentice, so you would have thought they would have done their more due diligence over there, but he has negative charisma. i don't know what he adds to the ticket. he brings a ton of negatives with his baggage particularly around women's issues. and they say he's supposed to help with working class white folks already, but you had tim walz on the last segment. a lot of folks who actually come from working class communities have pretty compelling counter messages to j.d. vance. he doesn't even have credibility on those issues. so i definitely -- i would bet if we're going back to betting on the top of the segment, i would definitely bet a cool $5

donald trump has asked one person on the golf cart if he made a mistake already. he's already run that by somebody. i feel quite confident. >> tim miller bringing it all back to the betting odds. i appreciate you, my friend. thanks for making the time tonight. still to come this evening, kamala harris is leaning into her history as a former prosecutor, running against a man convicted of 34 felonies, but the trump campaign is trying to flip the script. we'll have more on that next. xt

kamala harris became the de facto democratic nominee less than 24 hours ago, but her plan for taking on donald trump has already been put into action. today harris put her record as a prosecutor side by side with trump's criminal history, a departure from the first time harris ran for president in the wake of the george floyd killing. "the new york times" offers some context here. harris sometimes struggled to discuss her history in law enforcement and matters of criminal justice during her 2020 campaign when many democrats were pushing to rein in the powers of the police. joining me now is co-founder and ceo of the center for policing equity and professor of psychology at yale university. phil, thank you for being here. i first just want to talk about

what's happening on the left here because this moment 2024 feels distinctively different from 2020 in a number of ways. one is just sort of the conversation around criminal justice, and the other is of course the reality that kamala harris didn't have to run the gauntlet of a democratic primary. how do you see the conversation around her career as a prosecutor being different this time around? >> well, it obviously feels quite secondary to the momentous events from this past weekend. we're not talking about it in terms of her and her policy positions versus other potential candidates. we're talking about it in terms of her and how she stacks up as an existential threat to the guy running on the other side when all of a sudden there's a ton of energy around the democratic candidate where there wasn't previously. it's foundationally a different conversation. i think we're going to see over the course of the next several months, however, it will become more and more central both to the messaging and attacks

against her. >> what do you think about the way the trump campaign is trying to weaponize her, by way of example they cite harris' 2004 refusal to seek the death penalty for david hill who murdered a san francisco police officer. he got a life sentence. he was a first time offender so probation was the sort of typical punishment in that case. do you think that's effective as the sort of refrain of law and order is so intoxicating to the right? >> yeah, so whether or not it's going to be effective is up to this country, right? essentially what's happening is trump and trump's spokespeople are going to be leaning into stereotypes about blue controlled cities anditates. they're going to be leaning into stereotypes about black people and crime. yeah, if that works we've for

sure seen that before. it seems a risky gambit to say this person is not heard enough on crime when it other candidate has 34 felony convictions. right, it's not clear to me that's what's going to win the day, but also if we're going to have a conversation about law and order kamala harris is someone i would like to have that information with. i'd like her to make the articulation why she made the decisions she did. someone who refuses to seek the death penalty and someone who trusted science if stead of scapegoating when it comes to issues of criminal justice. you have someone who understands how the systems work, and i've got to hope that if we're having conversations about how you actually reduce violent crime and the fear of that in communities that are worried about it, that the person who knows how those systems work as opposed to the person who's still wriggling to get out of those systems is going to look significantly better. >> yeah, and i'm with you on --

i mean her ability to speak in a nunlsed and experienced way on matters of criminal justice and criminal justice reform, is -- there's no one else like her and the fact of the matter is it's not always one thing or another. and her record is perhaps more conservative in some ways in some areas and proer progressive in others, and she's had to live that line as a prosecutor and as the attorney general. when it comes to trump's own felonious presence i wonder what you make of her current line, which is i know donald trump's type. she said it now twice in two key appearances, and i wonder how well you think that diffuses or actually gets to the heart of the matter. >> yeah, i so it's a really i think lovely bit of politics because it doesn't just work in terms of her describing all of the kinds of malfeasance he's been engaged in from sexual assault to scamming and fraud and self-interest. it's also talking about a dude who is a type, and from her pz and demographics it does a

really lovely job of communicating a whole bunch of things with simple messaging, so i think it's incredibly effective. i also think it's the kind of thing that gets her prepared to define pass race as someone who understands how systems work and who works for people who are vulnerable as opposed to someone who is working by self-interest and doesn't understand how any of the systems work. i think it can be an effective piece of messaging but part of what we're going to see over not the next couple of months but couple of weeks is after this week has passed, how easy is it going to be to push back, again, i saw the last segment push back against the people you have to send a letter to be, oh, right, racism out loud is not good, sexism out loud is not good, and yet it's been effective politically for generations. if we're able to get past that, have strong and high hopes about what comes next. that is definitely a hurdle going to be right at the center

of criminal justice. >> thank you for your wisdom tonight. thanks for your time. we will be right back. thanks for your time we will be right back.

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finally, we have a quick programming note. tomorrow my msnbc colleagues and i will be hosting live special coverage of president biden's much anticipated address to the nation. it will be his first since dropping out of the presidential race two days ago. a lot has happened. the president is scheduled to speak at 8:00 p.m. eastern and our special msnbc coverage begins at 7:00 p.m. that is our show for tonight. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. let's also make no mistake this campaign