over evil. that's our solemn commitment. [ applause ] and we will continue to work with the united states and our arab partners to transform a troubled region from the back water of repression, poverty and war into a thriving oasis of dignity, prosperity and peace. in this noble mission, as in many others, israel will always remain america's indispensable ally, through thick and thin. through thick and thin, in good

times and in bad, israel will always be your loyal friend and your steadfast partner. on behalf of the people of israel, i came here today to say thank you, america. thank you for your support and solidarity. thank you for standing with israel in our hour of need. together, together we shall defend our common civilization. together we shall secure a brilliant future for both our nations. [ applause ]. may godr bless israel, may god bless america, and may god bless the great alliance between israel and america forever. [ cheers and applause ]

[ applause ]. prime minister benjamin netanyahu giving a joint address to congress.

his fourth one. and that's the most of any foreign leader. winston churchill gave three addresses to congress. he has now given four. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. it was fascinating watching this. especially fascinating watching the democratic caucus, you could see some standing and applauding, others sitting and quietly applauding. and then you saw rashida tlaib holding a sign saying war criminal. there were also a number of other democratic lawmakers who were not in attendance. most notably, the vice president who had a prior commitment that she was at. a campaign speech to a sorority. a convenient excuse to avoid an inconvenient political issue for the democrats in november. what you heard there from benjamin netanyahu was a whole lot of red meat. i'll play just a portion for you. my friend, defeating our brutal

enemies requires both courage and clarity. clarity begins by knowing the difference between good and evil. yet, incredibly, many anti-israel protesters, many choose to stand with evil. they stand with hamas. they stand with rapists and murderers, they stand with people who came into the kibbutz into a home. the parents hid the children, the two babies in the attic in a secret attic. they murdered the families, the parents, they found the secret latch to the hidden attic, and then they murder the babies. these protesters stand with them. they should be ashamed of themselves. >> using american protesters to try and drive home the point that this is an issue that there should be moral clarity on. at the end of the speech, toward the end, benjamin netanyahu

tried to also convince american lawmakers and the american public why the u.s. should continue supporting the war, support him, saying israel's enemies are america's enemies, they have to go through us, he said, to get to you. he also had a famous winston churchill quote saying give us the tools faster, we'll finish the job faster. ali vitali, raf sanchez, and nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. andrea, i want to start with you. this was a very hard-edged speech. i didn't get a lot of clarity about what might happen next in gaza when this war is over. i know we have all been watching for it. did you hear something that i perhaps didn't? what i heard was he's going to keep charging away with the war plan that he has and the way he wants to execute it, no matter what? >> in fact, the hostage families who were here, some in the gallery, some boycotting it,

watching it from nearby, they wanted to hear him accept the deal that's on the table. and what they heard instead is first of all, that they have suspended israel's participation in the negotiations until he gets back from the u.s., wanting the outcome of his talks with president biden to influence whatever happens next, so from their standpoint, they're missing several more days. but it was a red meat speech as you have said. aides have told the white house that this was going to be, and the state department, this was going to be a conciliatory speech and a moderating speech, a bipartisan speech, katy. it was anything but. he was shouting for much of the speech. he was targeting iran, but in particular, he was accusing the protesters of not only being funded by iran, and certainly there is suspicion that some iranian money has been fomenting the protests in the u.s., accuse

ed of being funded by iran, standing with terrorists who attacked israel on october 7th. standing with hamas, basically. he said that literally. so there was nothing conciliatory in this speech. even some of the senators who went out of respect for the office, and the alliance, senators murphy, and warnock, they were sitting on their hands. it was an extraordinary moment. three dozen boycotting entirely, including patty murray, third in line for the succession of the presidency who should have been on the podium behind him. instead, she was replaced by senator ben cardin, the chairman of the foreign relations committee. what was not seen by the american audience and certainly by the israeli audience was the standing ovations. one of the young women, noa, the released hostage in the gallery,

being hugged by sarah netanyahu, netanyahu's wife, and the soldiers, the valiant idf soldiers that he was pointing out, some amputees, some had gone back into model, the heroes. it was really modeled after a state of the union address, a presidential address, and it had all of the, you know, except for the ruffles and flourishes, it had everything that presented that, that's the choreography he wanted seen around the world. >> also him just walking in and shaking hands, just like we see with the state of the union address. and noticeably, he's walking down the aisle, shakes the hands of a number of senators, including kirsten gillibrand from @state of new york, the other senator from the state, chuck schumer, no handshake between the two men, just a nod. chuck schumer has been pretty critical of benjamin netanyahu's leadership since october 7th, the way he's been waging the war in gaza.

ali vitali, talk to me about what we saw there on the house floor, specifically among the democratic caucus. the democrats who were standing, the democrats who were not standing. this is an issue that is a wedge issue for the democratic party. >> reporter: as evidenced by the number of empty democratic chairs on the house floor. we knew many of these lawmakers were not going to be in attendance. they were vocal about their reservations about netanyahu even having been invited here, well before the speech. nevertheless, we were people we were looking for to see how they would react, chief among them is chuck schumer because of the ways you have mentioned. he has been critical of netanyahu's leadership in this moment. nevertheless, schumer made clear despite disagreements he was going to be here. you saw the curt nod, stiffing him on the handshake and letting the israeli leader walk by him. schumer left the chamber before netanyahu processed out of it.

there was another lawmaker we were keeping eyes on. rashida tlaib of michigan, who was there holding a sign that was double sided. on one side, it said guilty of genocide, on the other side, as you see on the screen there, war criminal. at one point, congresswoman, anna paulina luna, a member of the sergeant of arms suggested, didn't tell her but suggested to put that sign down because it's not really what you're supposed to be doing in the house chamber. ultimately, talib did put that sign down. she was certainly one of the lawmakers who we were watching as she stood in that chamber, and the other one, too, was the top democrat in the house, hakeem jeffries, of course, who was seen applauding at various points during the speech. he is the head of the house democratic caucus who has all of these divisions and for whom this is really a splinter issue as we have been talking about. but he's also got the hometown politics to think about too as the congressperson from the brooklyn area, a heavy jewish

population there in new york as you well know. so we're watching the local and the national politics play out with the house democrats minority leader hakeem jeffries. a lot of dynamics in the chamber. as you saw the picture of netanyahu shaking the hand of gillibrand. senator mark kelly of arizona who's receiving a lot of attention anew in recent days because he is on vice president kamala harris's ever emerging short list of potential vice presidential nominees. we saw him there doing what most other democrats did, which is largely sitting at various times standing and applauding, but mostly not giving too much enthusiasm to this speech. as we point out that harris herself had a scheduling conflict, it's important to note that the other vice presidential pick who is on the campaign trail is senator j.d. vance of ohio who was also not in the

speech for the same reasons. republicans critical of harris not being there, but no real mention of vance. katy. >> i noticed senator kelly as well. raf, let's talk about the dynamics in the state of israel. is benjamin netanyahu popular right now? how do israelis feel? how do they feel about him coming here, pausing the negotiations to speak to an american congress? >> reporter: katy, prime minister netanyahu is not popular, and every indication is if there was an election in this country today, he and his right wing government who are largely blamed for the failures to prevent october 7th would lose that election, and many people here in israel see what the prime minister billed as a major foreign policy speech in front of the united states congress as effectively an israeli domestic speech. netanyahu, the showman, once again, presenting himself as the only israeli leader of stature

to be able to stand up, to speak in english for nearly an hour before both democrats and republicans, and netanyahu has a long history of fighting and winning elections in this country as the man who is capable of standing up to democratic presidents. he did it under bill clinton. he did it under barack obama. and to a certain extent, he seems to be doing it now. saying that israel will not be pressured to end its war in gaza on anything other than its own time line, and katy, it is just so striking, president biden has two main priorities for his remaining time in office, when it comes to the middle east. one is getting a deal to end the war and bring the hostages home, and two is to create some kind of frame work for the future governance of gaza and the reconstruction of gaza, and prime minister seemed to have felt no pressure to give any detail whatsoever on either of those topics. he met with hostage families yesterday. he will meet with them again

tomorrow at the white house. they are hoping to hear him say he's accepting a deal to bring their loved ones home after nearly 300 days in hamas captivity. failing that, they hope to hear at least an update on progress towards those talks. the prime minister said almost nothing. he said intensive efforts are underway right now, and he is hopeful those efforts will succeed. katy, it's not an exaggeration to say he spent pretty much as much time talking about the frat brothers at the university of north carolina who defended the american flag on july 4th, as he spent talking about the details of this potential hostage deal. and as andrea mentioned, hostage negotiators were supposed to head from israel to qatar tomorrow to continue those negotiations. those talks have now been delayed until next week. until prime minister netanyahu returns to israel. when it comes to the future of gaza, he spoke in the vaguest

language saying that israel will maintain security control for the foreseeable future, and at some point, it will hand over civilian administration of gaza to some kind of palestinian entity. he gave absolutely no detail what that would look like, what the united states thinks needs to happen is that a revitalized reformed palestinian authority needs to ultimately resume control in gaza as they had briefly between 2005 and 2007. netanyahu refusing to make any concessions on that point. instead, sticking largely to buzz words that gaza needs to be demilitarized and deradicalized. if you're a supporter of israel hoping to hear a path forward, to hear some kind of vision for how this war ends and what happens on the other side of this war, you really didn't hear it tonight, katy. >> let's talk about that, andrea, because supporting the state of israel is not supporting the prime minister,

and there are a lot of democrats who support the state of israel. i'm going to talk to jerry nadler of new york in a moment who think that prime minister benjamin netanyahu has just been awful, just absolutely terrible for the state of israel. both in what we're seeing with the war reform ahead of october 7th and the fact that he even allowed october 7th to happen, the massive intelligence failure that started this war. >> first of all, as long as he is in office he has said the investigation will not begin into the intelligence failure, the military failure, the slowness of the response. so that's one issue. but also as long as the war continues, according to his critics, he thinks he can hold his coalition together. it's sort of band-aided together with these very right wing members, including the national security adviser ben-gvir who just today called for, you know,

more action against hamas. >> he also said -- >> and to say that he was, again, trying to, you know, break up the middle east. blow up the middle east in his words. netanyahu said what ben-gvir said about not ever dividing jerusalem, which would make it impossible to ever have a two-state solution. he's taken a very hard line on that, but even senator murphy, senator warnock, who have been moderate and completely supportive of israel do not support netanyahu's positions on this, and netanyahu in his speech was equating protesters and opponents with anti-semitism, and with supporting hamas. and that is simply not accurate. also, while thanking the u.s. for the weapons and the support, saying, you know, send more and

we can finish this more quickly, when his own defense minister says it cannot be finished the way he says but eliminating hamas, that is just an impossible goal. and the u.s. says they're not delaying their deliveries. >> ben-gvir endorsed donald trump today. that was part of it. let's bring in "punchbowl news" founder and msnbc political analyst, jake sherman. you were watching that speech. i know you have been following the issue closely. you have interviewed benjamin netanyahu. you've gone to israel to do that. what was the intention here, and was he successful? >> i think the intention, katy, was to try to put meat on the bones. to be honest with you, there was not much in that speech that i heard that i didn't hear when i spoke to him just, i believe it was last month. he feels based on my conversations with him and his inner circle that he's deeply misunderstood, that israel's intentions are misunderstood, and he sees the world, katy,

differently than most americans, and frankly most american supporters of israeli. a few interesting notes. i mean, the tension between the democratic party and netanyahu was just very evident. chuck schumer who said netanyahu should be removed barely acknowledged his presence in the chamber when he walked in. rashida tlaib, the democratic congresswoman from michigan held up a sign that said war criminal, was asked several times to put it down seemingly. i will say this. there will several instances during that speech where he really in a way that perhaps i didn't anticipate took a whack at the biden administration and congressional democrats saying there have been effectively no casualties in rafah, and the u.s. was warning, katy, that there were going to be civilian casualties if the idf went into rafah. he did lavish praise on biden and trump ahead of these

meetings that he's going to have with both men in the coming days. this is the eternal question which andrea has covered for years, and we have all seen in years. netanyahu has, whether he needed it or not, aligned himself with the republican party in the united states. he denies that. he doesn't like that suggestion. i asked mike johnson about that yesterday. republicans are more supportive of israel. that has come, katy, at the detriment of israel's standing in the united states. i mean, he came here in 2015, rallied against the iran deal. it's been a rough decade, to be honest with you, for that tradition that willy bipartisan relationship between israel and the united states. and i anticipate today's probably not going to help repair that breach. >> and there are questions about what the relationship between this country and israel is going to look like going forward. you know, maybe not with donald trump as president but a democratic president going forward. a generational change as this

country moves on from the generation of donald trump and joe biden to a generation that knows israel a little bit differently than those men do. i want to go to ken dilanian, our nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent who has been standing outside the protests there. pretty hairy. ken, what are you seeing? >> reporter: it's a raucous scene here, in front of union station in washington, d.c. where we just saw members of the crowd burning the american and israeli flags, and they have now hoisted palestinian flags on these giant flag poles where normally the american flag flies. there are thousands of people out here. they have been roaming around while benjamin netanyahu was speak to go congress. a half hour ago, there was a significant clash between protesters and police where members of the capitol police, backed by nypd actually pepper sprayed some raucous members of the crowd. we haven't seen any arrests.

we haven't seen really any violence. but it is kind of a boisterous scene down here. >> jake sherman, i think what's interesting in watching these protests and the college protests for the end of the year, jake sherman, if you're still with us, just obviously the issue is complicated on the international stage. the issue is also very complicated at home because there are a lot of americans who saw the protests and didn't like what they were seeing, and felt that there was anti-semitism. but also don't have a lot of warmth toward benjamin netanyahu. and don't like the way that he he's waging this war. and find themselves in an uncomfortable political situation. not really understanding where to put their feet, where to align themselves politically. >> listen, katy. this is a big issue, i would say, the american israeli relationship, which is netanyahu has been prime minister since

the 1990s. this is his fourth address to congress. it's difficult to separate the country from the man at this point, even though a lot of israelis, if you believe public polling, want to separate the man from the country. and feel like he's tone israel a terrible disservice, in especially his latter years of premiership. i will say, as you mentioned. i was over in israel, having a conversation with leading intellectuals, the benjamin netanyahu of the 1990s or early 2000s would not be in the position, not have the dilemma. it's a different point to dwell on. i will say this, what you mentioned earlier, katy, is something that's really important i think in analyzing the public sentiment and the political pitfalls of this

relationship, which is people of joe biden's generation, and perhaps a couple of generations after that are -- grew up with an israel that was not sure to exist. it was a fledgling country that did not have the military might and the economy that it has now. now israel is one of the most important countries in the middle east, certainly, one of the most important countries in the world, with a vibrant economy. a lot of western companies have set up shop in israel. . it's not seen ass underdog it has been in the last 50 or 60 years. that's partially at issue. i hear that on capitol hill, especially with younger members of congress who say israel should be judged as every other country is judged, and that's why i think you see some of the public support slip away. now, you alluded to this, how will kamala harris hand the relationship between israel. i think in my conversations with

israeli officials, i mean, i think there's questions about how donald trump would handle the ballooning conflict. i think israelis recognize that based on my conversations with people both in netanyahu's inner circle and in the israeli government and society writ large. >> the question is can benjamin netanyahu with his right attack continue to maintain a strong relationship with the united states, continue to maintain this alliance which is desperately needs. i want to bring in carnegie endowment for international peace senior fellow and former arab negotiator, aaron david miller. you know this issue better than any of us do frankly. you have been on the front lines trying to negotiate between the palestinians and the israelis, trying to find peace. which has been so elusive. can you talk to us about what might come next for the

american-israeli relationship say if it were a president kamala harris? >> right. first i have to say, katy, thanks for having me. don't put me in the shocked and surprised or disappointed category with respect to what benjamin netanyahu had to say. it was predictable. because the visit itself had nothing -- has nothing to do with substance. it has to do with our politics and his. and he walked into a situation, which is fraught. he'll have a relationship with joe biden for the next six months because he needs the united states. he cannot afford, and i suspect in a minute, i'll tell you why i think this may actually be running in a positive direction, he's going to try to get off on a reasonably good basis with a potentially punitive american president, kamala harris, and perhaps the most important piece of his visit is the pilgrimage to mar-a-lago.

because it's quite clear, of the 212 house democrats were in attendance, 27 of the 51 senators were in attendance. what you've witnessed in this visit is not what it's going to achieve. it's what it reflects. and what it reflects is the frame, i won't say the death of because there will be a change of leadership in israel, i suspect for the better, but what it reflects is a degree of stress and deterioration of the key adhesive, which has kept this relationship functional and quite extraordinary. and that is bipartisanship. you have a republican party that is now the israel can do no wrong. you have a democratic party that's deeply divided not just being progressives, who want to impose consequences on the government of israel for behavior. and mainstream democrats,

senators, and murphy, and van hollen, who at various times are called for conditioning u.s. military systems to israel. what is stunning to me is in the democratic party, there is now a full-fledged debate as to what constitutes being pro-israel. and that is an extraordinary transformation, frankly, and i think in part a necessary one, but i think mr. netanyahu has contributed mightily, as have our own politicized polarized politics to the deterioration of that bipartisanship. whether it will endure under president harris, that's a very good question. i suspect that the inner kamala would want to be much tougher, much harsher, much more sensitive and sympathetic to the exponential rise of palestinian

deaths in gaza, as a consequence to prosecute a war started by hamas terrorist surge, and i think more willing to understand that the israeli palestinian conflict is not a conflict between good and evil. it's definition of a tragedy, competing justices, where israelis and palestinians have mutual needs, if this conflict is ever going to be resolved and if the u.s. is ever going to be an effective broker in this conflict, that is a point of departure. both have mutual needs and requirements that have to be met. >> that's such a good way to put it. we haven't spoken in a while. i wonder if you think that this conflict is any closer to coming to a close. i know the negotiations for a cease fire and hostages have been intensifying recently. there's some anger as andrea reported that benjamin netanyahu has put things on hold to come to the united states, to meet with congress, to meet with

former president trump, president biden, vice president kamala harris. what's your sense of how things or where things currently stand? >> you know, i think i have mentioned to you before, from my experience, and this is not an ordinary middle east negotiation, since the principle palestinian decision maker is ensconced 30, 40 meters below khan younis. but these have typical speeds, slow and slower. i would say there's a possibility in large part because of pressures that hamas are under and as a consequence of israeli defense forces pressure, for a deal, and an effort to deal not with gaza but with the looming problem of what exists on the israeli, lebanese border that it is possible to imagine. knesset goes into recess, july 28th, and it resumes after the jewish holidays, two weeks before the election.

mr. netanyahu's gain is to survive in that recess. but in that recess, it's extremely difficult to bring down an israeli government and the influence of his two extremist ministers, ben-gvir would be neutralized during that period. i suspect, and again, i have been wrong about many things, that the chance of a deal in mid august is really quite real. i do not believe that it's a deal that would go through three phases, but i think there's a reasonable chance that you could get through phase one, limited hostage exchange for palestinian prisoners and a six-week cease fire. if you got that, it might well provide a point of departure on which the administration could actually build to bring about a cessation of the war. whether or not that plays out the way i hope it plays out, i

think it's a real possibility. >> aaron david miller, really good to have you. thank you as always for joining us on big days like this. joining us now, new york congressman and ranking member of the house judiciary committee, jerry nadler. thank you for joining us. i know you were inside that room listening to the prime minister's speech. what did you think of it? >> i thought it was fundamentally dishonest. he says he wants peace, but his political interest is to keep the war going as long as possible because he knows that as soon as the war over, he's have to face a commission of inquiry, why he was telling qatar to arm hamas before the election, and why he ignored warnings from the military about the attack on october 7th, which they had warnings about a few hours earlier, and why, for that

matter, it took 12 hours for tanks to come 60 miles from the west bank to the kibbutz on the gaza border. he knows he'll have to answer these questions. his interest is to keep the war going as long as possible. when he talks about the hostages, i don't believe he has any interest in releasing the hostages because that would hasten the end of the war. and that's why you see hostage negotiations and he keeps putting new conditions. he keeps putting new objections to the hostage deal and that's why you see hundreds of thousands of people in israel protesting against him. >> you've called him the worst leader in jewish history since the mcabee king who invited the romans into jerusalem over 2,100 years ago. >> yes, i did. >> you just talked about this speech right now and his own self-interest and you argue his lack of interest in getting any

of the hostages home. do you think there can be a negotiated peace with benjamin netanyahu still as prime minister? >> probably not. he will do anything he can to stop the negotiated peace. and he was fundamentally dishons -- dishonest he came out about the terribleness of the assassination. back in 1994, he was leading people saying kill rabin, just before rabin was assassinated. >> i want to ask you about the democratic party. we saw the divide, we literally saw it in that room. we saw some democrats standing and applauding. we saw others sitting and lightly applauding or not applauding at all. we saw rashida tlaib holding up a sign that said war criminal. and we saw a lot of empty seats.

what is it like in the democratic party right now on the issue of israel? >> there's divided -- obviously there's divided sentiment. i would have not gone except i thought i should go in honor of the state of israel, but certainly not in support of its prime minister or his policies. obviously sentiment in the democratic party is quite divided. and rashida was expressing the sentiments of her palestinian constituents in dearborn. >> how does the democratic party campaign with this issue? how do you suggest vp kamala harris tackles it? she's going to have to as she goes forward. >> well, i think she's going to express general support for israel. she's going to be somewhat less supportive than president biden has been, and i think that large part of the democratic party, especially the younger elements of the party, the younger members of the party want that.

that's what i think will happen. >> the -- the relationship between israel and the united states feels like it's at a cross roads. as we were talking about a moment ago, it's always been a bipartisan relationship or had historically been a bipartisan relationship and now it feels like benjamin netanyahu is, you know, more firmly aligning himself with republicans. can it go back to being a bipartisan relationship. >> well, netanyahu is aligning himself with republicans is not new. remember back in 2015, he came here to oppose president obama's policy of the nuclear deal with iran, and he was quite consciously taking the republican position against the obama administration. the stupidity of this manifests itself in the fact that had when trump got into office, he persuaded trump to withdraw from the nuclear deal, which was ridiculous, and now we know iran

has enriched a lot of uranium and is on the cusp of becoming a nuclear power where that deal was and would have continued to stop them. but his -- i do not understand why he was opposed to the deal. it was very counter productive. >> historically speaking, before 2015, before he started to align himself with republicans, the relationship between israel and the u.s. was bipartisan. aaron david miller was just explaining that's what made it so strong. that's what tied these two countries together. can it go back to being bipartisan? >> i hope it can. i don't know whether it can or not. >> just because i have you, and i'm about to change topics to talk about the vice president and her campaign, who would you like to see on the ticket? >> oh, there are any number of good people you can make a case for. mark kelly as a former astronaut, the husband of a

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headquarters on monday that he harbors hope for progress. telling staffers, i'm determined to get as much done as i possibly can, both foreign policy and domestic policy. joining us now, former white house communications director for president obama and msnbc political analyst, jen palmieri. jen, it's going to be a big night, an emotional night i'm sure for president biden. i was looking at a series of clips over his career and i was reminded at how long he's been in office, how much he's done, and what a forceful and emotional speaker he was and, you know, in his earlier days, even ten years ago. what do you expect to see from them today? is he going to go back and take us on a tour of his career or will it be looking more forward about what he hopes to do next? >> i hope that he takes it, because it's been phenomenal. when he was elected to the

senate in his late 20s, we saw prime minister netanyahu, he met with gandhi when he was a young senator, you know, that's how long he's been a figure in american politics, and has been a leader in foreign policy, and i think that it's sort of remarkable what happened on sunday, katy. he has now cemented himself as a major figure in american political history. we think about, you know, when he started his first campaign, they called it the child's crusade because he was so young, and his sister who was also young ran, and they had a lot of young volunteers, and has gone 50 years in office to being president of the united states, and not running for reelection in this fashion, being vice president to the first black president, and then, you know, in fact being that transitional president who turned the torch over to what he hopes to be the first black woman president. and then -- but, that's historic and interesting, and the

phenomenal amount of legislation that he got accomplished in his one term as president. so it is a remarkable american story to tell, and, you know, particularly as an older white man, that sort of arc of history, so i hope we hear all of that, and i think that this is not the sort of same situation that lame duck presidents are in. i think that he could have a historic and productive last six months in office as well. he has a lot of moral authority right now. >> the assault weapons ban, the violence against women act, obamacare. >> 1994, yes. >> he had done so much even before he assumed office and got all the bipartisan legislation he's gone in the last three and a half years. >> right. chair of the judiciary committee, chair of the foreign relations committee, as you said, the crime bill in 1994 which had the assault weapons ban pass the first time. as president of the united states, he got the first major

gun legislation passed, you know, since that time as well, and in terms of trying to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. the inflation reduction act with huge amounts of investing in clean energy, as well as apprenticeship requirements. there's a ton he's done for labor unions, the sort of new foundation that he's built for the economy, investment in chips, semiconductors made in the united states, things we will be relying on for decades to come. i'm, you know, i love him, and i love all of this stuff, and i'm really excited to watch it tonight because he sure deserves this moment and then i assume there will be another moving moment at the convention as well. and i do think that he has a sort of unique moment now of moral authority where he can for the next six months accomplish more as president of the united

states as well. >> jen palmieri, thank you so much. two weeks from today, the dnc will have a formal roll call to nominate vice president harris. does that mean she'll have a running mate locked in. joining us now, chief political analyst, chuck todd. good to have you. lots of good options for running mates. we have reporting on who she's looking at, who she's having vetted. there's a lot of talk right now about maybe you could call him a front runner in the race to be vp, mark kelly, the senator from arizona? >> yeah, i mean, look there's a lot of reasons why i think when you look at some of her negatives that she needs to balance out, he seems to answer more of them than anybody else on the list. right? particularly the border. i think that's the biggest, you know, sort of thing that's going to be the trump campaign will hit her hard on. no better way to sort of seek a little bit of distance from the biden administration by putting on somebody who was a critic of

the biden/harris policies and that's mark kelly. he spent all of the 2022 campaign trying to distance himself from his own party, particularly the white house and what they were doing on the border, constantly saying what they were doing was wrong. you know, i said this about six months ago when it was looking like biden/trump, boy, if either president can admit failings in their terms, i think there's a group of voters that would reward them for honesty. we know trump is not capable of admitting errors, it's just not in his dna, and frankly, i was shocked to see that biden is not somebody who seemed to be comfortable doing that. this is the opportunity i think harris has here. not just with who she picks but also, katy, who she interviews for this job, and i think she ought to be using this and showcasing it, and trying to use the interviews with various people, both front runners and long shots as a way to let the public get to know her.

who is she going to be looking to for building a team? what could her cabinets look like? this is your opportunity to show that without quite saying it. >> it sounds like you're asking her to do something like what trump did, which is invite people to the naval observatory. >> in fairness, this is how bill clinton did it, it's how barack obama did it, it's actually a fairly normal way to do it, frankly, yes, you're there, part of your job as leader of the party is to surface up stars of the party. this is an opportunity, you surface them up. you don't have to pick them, but you start marking them, hey, take a look at this guy. or this gal. this is a future. so i think that, yes, just because trump does something doesn't always a bad idea. sometimes democrats go trump does it, we can't do it. when it comes to marketing, he's better at it than anybody on the democratic side.

some of the stuff is worth borrowing. >> does the vp, i know we have not talked about this like this in the past, you can argue that mike pence delivered evangelicals. but usually when we're not talking about the deliverables from a vice presidential candidate in terms of can they deliver the state. but i'm going to ask you this. can mark kelly deliver arizona? >> i don't think that's the reason you white you pick him. any time if you looked at most presidential nominees have figured that out. there's no guarantee in a state. you need to pick a running mate that balances out weaknesses. that that's what you your perceives weaknesses or why did barack obama choose joe biden? he was debating between joe biden and tim kaine. he wanted to go tim kaine. and putin invaded georgia, the country. and suddenly it was like, oh, barack obama's lack of foreign policy experience, tim kaine was a sitting governor of virginia

without any perceived foreign policy experience. so then you're like, let me shore that up. and biden was that to him. so i think the smartest way to pick a running mate is to find somebody you're comfortable with, who also happens to be strong on something you're weak. >> chuck todd, thank you very much. good to have you. ment colting up, she's got the cash, the backing of the president, and what feels like a whole lot of momentum. but not everyone is immediately supporting kamala harris. what some donors say they are waiting for. what some donors say they are iting for. my mental health was better. but uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia, started disrupting my day. td felt embarrassing. i felt like disconnecting. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ♪ ingrezza ♪ ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza

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and senior economics reporter steve leaseman. where is all this money coming from? >> that money is coming mostly from small donors, who are giving on lain. the biden campaign was relying on small donors because the big donors were closing their checkbooks out of concern that biden was not a viable candidate trump. the small attorneys we thought were still giving at a level that was sustainable, but obviously this, announcement that biden was not running has really sent a jolt of lightning through both the small donor base and the large donor base because that $126 million from small donors online is accompanied by $150 million worth of commitments to a superpac supporting kamala harris, and that is mostly big donors.

it's a powerful and wasn't one of them abigail disney, the disney great granddaughter, who said she didn't want to give anymore money to joe biden. she didn't think he should be in the race any longerer. >> i spoke with her the other day. she said not only is she backing down from that threat to keep her pocketbook closed, but she's going to be giving to the harris campaign and is looking to sponsor a fundraiser to host a fupd raiser. that's just one example. not all but mostly. they are ready to go in all hundred dollar kamala harris. >> are there donors that are holding back? >> there are some. we spoke to them in the last few days who wanted more of a competition. they wanted to see other perspective nominees have the

chance to sort of debate and offer themselves up as a potential alternative. i think that's dissipating as the delegates show no appetite for any alternative. they are ready to lock this thing down and the major donors willment colt on board because they are so scared the democratic major donors that they are going to get behind whoever is the party's nominee. >> so steve, let's talk about her economic agenda. what is an administration for kamala harris look like for the economy? >> we're all sort of puzzling what that will be. the issue is that the record is thin. one democratic policy adviser told me that she's left few footprints in the sand when it comes to the economy. it creates an opportunity to define herself. soflt donors that were being talked about might be waiting on definition on where she comes out on the political spectrum.

the republicans are going to look back at things she did in a failed presidential bid in 2020, which some of those were more on the liberal side and more to the left of president biden. and i think her supporters are going to say, hey, she is right behind and going to continue the biden economic agenda. she was talking about supporting the middle clasp. i'm also told she meets with business, supports businesses, especially small business and entrepreneurs. there's going to be some emphasis there, but still waiting to hear how she defines herself, how much in the middle she chooses to attack or more to the left. >> how is the biden economy right now? how is it doing? >> it's doing much better than it was before. the unemployment rate is relatively low. it's up a bit over the past several months. wages have come back. but over the course of the biden presidency, wages have not overall kept pace with inflation over the past year. that's been a different story.

growth has been relatively robust and remained robust, despite the very, very heavy federal reserve rate hikes. now the fed is talking about possibly coming off of those rate hikes, but not because it fears recession, but because the job looks like it's done in terms of getting inflation under control. >> thank you, gentlemen. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts after a quick break. no, it starts right now. don't go anywhere. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york city on an historic day in american politics. embodied by his vice president kamala harris. the president's unprecedented political sacrifice has been met with party