growth has been relatively robust and remained robust, despite the very, very heavy federal reserve rate hikes. now the fed is talking about possibly coming off of those rate hikes, but not because it fears recession, but because the job looks like it's done in terms of getting inflation under control. >> thank you, gentlemen. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts after a quick break. no, it starts right now. don't go anywhere. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york city on an historic day in american politics. embodied by his vice president kamala harris. the president's unprecedented political sacrifice has been met with party unity and

extraordinary levels of enthusiasm from democrats for the fight ahead. $126 million have been raised, more than 100,000 volunteers have signed up, and 38,500 new voters have been registered. curtain number two, the other side, desperate and plain as day racist attacks on the de facto democratic nominee that reveal a maga world in mega meltdown mode. they are trying to find ways to smear her any way they can from attacking the way vice president kamala harris laughs to her endearingly love of venn diagrams. they are suggesting a wol who spent zen years as district attorney, who served as california attorney general, a united states senator and is currently america's vice president is somehow unqualified

for the job that donald trump once held. that she's only where she is because of her race, again, unlike their guy who once hosted the apprentice. take a listen to what they are saying. >> the only reason kamala is in the white house is because of the dei deal with bernie. >> her hole history is dei. diversity, exclusion, and effect wit tip. >> what about white females? what about any other group? when you go down that route, you take mediocrity. that's what they have right now as vice president. >> apparently, they feel or a lot of democrats fool they have to stick with her because of her ethnic background. >> intellectually, really kind of the bottom of the barrel. i think she was a dei hire. >> maybe we should tell them it's working. keep saying that stuff, guys.

the comments reflect horrificfully on the republican party that leadership has reportedly begged republican members behind closed doors to stop the racist attacks. even former here's talking to garrett haake. >> i would say two attacks i have heard republicans get that are totally stupid and dumb to do is the dei attack. that seems petty. i disagree with dei, but she's the vice president of the united states. she's the former u.s. senator. these congressmen that are saying it, they are wrong in their own instance. >> more than petty, though, isn't it? you know it is. here's former republican congressman adam kinzinger calling it out for exactly what it is. >> this is a disgusting dog whistle, it's an outright

whistle. what they are saying is only white men are deserving of certain positions. >> how did that work out? how did your white man do? today in a speech in indianapolis, vice president harris stood above this fray keeping her focus on the future and on the issues and the dangers of a second trump term. watch. >> across our nation, we are witnessing a full on assault on hard-fought, hard-won freedoms and rights. the freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence, the freedom to live without fear of bigotry and hate, the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride, thement frrl to learn and acknowledge our true and full history, and the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government telling her what to do. in this moment, our nation, as it always has, is counting on

you to energize, to organize, and to mobilize. we know when we organize, mountains move. when we mobilize, nations change. when we vote, we make history. >> the gop stoking racism in america is the defacto democratic nominee focuses on the future and what is possible. with me at the table former u.s. attorney president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights is here. plus professor andauthor eddie glooib is here. and chief columnist national affairs analyst john heilemann is here. also joining us is political analyst erin haynes, editor at large. mya wiley, the vice president is

not engaged in any of this. she hassen proven herself already not just in three days as the de facto nominee, but in months now, as focused on a rather singular message. we're not going back. her crowds are already chanting that. >> yeah, there's a direct line from the attack to project 2025. this blueprint that says very explicitly it wants to go after all the protections we created in civil rights laws through the civil rights movement, through the 60th anniversary of the civil rights act of 1964. when you hear them say she's a de and i fill in the blank, in addition to its overt racism and sexism, it's sexist and racist to say that by virtue of the fact she's a woman and a woman of color, she's not qualified. that's all they are saying.

it's exactly the same thing if they put in the blueprint as the plan for the country to say, we will undermine the ability of the federal government to assert and force and protect us from employment discrimination, that we will try to close and shutter the department of education if we can, but if we can't, we'll just make sure any of the complaints of our children whether they are being bullied because they are jewish or because they are muslim or because they are black or asian or anything else, we're going to take the power of them to force the civil right was to protect our children in schools. that is what was in the civil rights act of 1964. this messaging is explicit in that project, and what kamala harris is doing, both as a vice president, because i've been with her when she's made these statements as vice president,

and what she's explaining to the american public, we have a choice for the future. it's either to be in the future or it's to go back to the dark ages. i think she's making it plain and clear. >> the only fight that's sort of underway is on of the right. you have kevin mccarthy and ament dam kinzinger scolding republicans making this attack. not only, i would guess, because it's immoral, but because it stinks as a political line of attack. >> i don't think they can do it though. the entire maga movement is predicated on this grievance, on this sense of hatred. the seasons of the demographics shifts in the country, that the browning of america, that big government put its thumb on the scale, the very ways in which merit is being deployed in order to, shall we say, someone like me shouldn't be at princeton

because it's precisely because of affirmative action. all of that has been at the heart of maga since he came down the escalator. so the idea that somehow we're going to go back to the '80s and do dog whistles, no, fog horns. that's all they do. >> i don't know how to say this carefully, but i'd like to say it carefully, but donald trump is someone so supremely unqualified bob corker described the west wing as daycare. his generals took him to a tank with maps and diagrams and crayons involved. general kelly, his chief of staff, described him as the most damaged human being he ever met. he picked a guy to be his running mate who is his son's pal who has been in the senate for 15 minutes. this seems like a bizarre line of attack. qualifications? >> it seems bizarre to be having this conversation among us.

for the vast majority of voters of america, he's been the president of the united states. he's passed the qualification test. he was commander-in-chief for four years. all the things you said are true. i'm noted a vo caughting for them saying you look at this electorate. 7% roughly of undecided voters out there -- you can attack donald trump's character. you can attack his fitness. you can attack his morals. you can attack his accordance with the law. you're not going to win an argument by attacking trump on qualifications. for most americans, he was president. that matter has been settled. with her, i do think -- and this goes to the thing about what's actually old about this is it's a tool that republicans have had in their bag for a long time. it is a racist attempt to disqualify her.

you go back to 1995. bob dole has been in the senate for a million years already. they defined him as being old, but not upset with america. your campaign, in 2004 with john kerry, defined him when people don't realize how they are supposedly famous. they are not famous in america. you define john kerry as a flip-flopper. all the things you did. the obama campaign in 2012 defined mitt romney. rich guy out of touch. a very narrow window, that's part of the newness of this, four weeks. their goal is to define her as unqualified. and for this republican party that's lived in the world of

racial dog whistles or fog horns for a long time, the tool in their bag, they are going to reach for that tool. they don't have another tool. what's weird about it is it is so out of step with where america is now that the question -- i have no doubt adam kinzinger has made a different argument. kevin mccarthy in this case is making it feel like we are not in willie horton 1988 anymore. it's not 1998 anymore. it's 2024. the argument in a world of women in the workforce and a world of browned america where you have people who are qualified, dei, most people don't know what that is in america. to the extnt they know, they probably have someone in their family who has been part of their programs. they are so systematized to say you're unqualified, it's just beyond its racism and also just

going to fail as a disqualification mechanism because too many people look at people who benefitted from diversity programs and affirmative skpax say those people are perfectly qualiied. >> let me use your own logic. she's the vice president. she's also qualified. >> a lot of things to say about that, but i do think there's a large gap of knowledge in the country about -- i would say this about any vice president. i think at the end of four years, how many people in america besides what mike pence did on january 6th, what did mike pence do in office? to the average voter, no one has an idea. no one had an idea what al gore did. but that was true of joe biden when he was obama's vice president. you can make the argument that i'm qualified in name, because you're not commander-in-chief. you are someone who has been appointed. you ran on a ticket, but there's a the lot of definitional lack of clarity about any vice president. because it's a narrow window, i

just think that they don't have a lot of other clubs in their bag. this is what we're going to see. again, i agree it's racist, but also i think more importantly, maybe not more importantly, but it's unlikely to be effective. i don't think right now on the basis of what i'm hearing from people out in the field right now trying to measure the effectiveness, the traction that these techniques are having, it is not cuts ice right now with voters. >> the other thing is all she has to do is open her mouth and her political talents alone, forget the people that don't know what a vice president does, i'm not sure watching president biden go from vice president to president, the whole country knows who mike pence is. the right hates him for not carrying out the coup. we're in a moment where people are aware of what and who a vice president is and does.

but the minute they see her, the minute she opens her mouth, if it you hear one thing from her speeches, it's future/past. we haven't had a candidate making that kind of contrast since president obama. >> yeah, and you're seeing vice president kamala harris starting to define herself. how is he doing that? she's defining herself as somebody who is ready to make the case against a second trump presidency, casting him as a criminal and a threat to our democracy. she's owning her own story. that's happening as republicans are resorting to that kind of familiar playbook that john mentioned, and especially for former president trump, who attacks women by calling them dishonest, questioning their intelligence, commenting on their looks. some of our latest reporting wooerks talking about the disinformation targeting harris and we're a few days into the campaign. it's a train that's never late. during the primary, trump called nikki haley the former governor

and u.n. ambassador a bird brain. hillary clinton was crooked. he's maligned fani willis. trying to paint them as krups or incompetent and accusing them of being the racest. these are not new attacks. and these attacks when republicans make them, whether it's former president trump or people on right-wing media or really politicians, it says more about them than it does about the people they are talking about. while it maybe a dog whistle to some number of republican voters that this has worked on over the years, it is also a signal -- how many women, how many people of color have heard dei or heard suggestions that maybe they didn't earn the job they got or they shouldn't be the place they are in. that kind of language also galvanizes them. so i'm sure that republicans like kevin mccarthy and adam

kinzinger are trying to discourage republicans from using that kind of language because what tuz it does is energizes folks for whom that kind of language sounds familiar to get out and vote to project that kind of language, to reject those kinds of politics. >> let me just fall on to john's thread about mccarthy's beef. adam kinzinger endorsed president biden. he's been on some of the calls since vice president kamala harris became the de facto nominee. he's inside the pro democracy coalition. he calls it the way he sees it. here's a republican attack on kamala harris. this was sent out by the republicans. this is the vice president talking about breaking barriers. >> here's the thing about breaking barriers. breaking barriers does not mean you start on one side of the barrier and you end up on the

other side. there's breaking involved. and when you brack things, you get cut. and you may bleed. and it is worth it every time. every time. and so tos especially the young people here, i say to you, when you walk in those rooms, being the only one that looks like you, the only one with your background, you walk in those rooms chin up, shoulders back. this is part of what's involved. we have to know that sometimes people will open the door for you and leave it open. sometimes they won't. and then you need to kick that [ bleep ] door down. >> that's the attack on her. >> look, the attack on all of

us. what she just spoke, i'm sitting here wanting to grab eddie's hand. we have been cut. when she says that, we have lived that cut. we lived that cut as students at ivy league schools. we lived that cut when we were lawyers standing in front of a judge saying where's the lawyer when you're standing there behind the government table as an assistant united states attorney. we know that cut. i was the only black attorney in the civil division when i was there. the only one out of 50. what she said mapped to what you heard from aaron and the 19th has been doing excellent coverage on this, they have been telling us, i'm talking about a certain group of people, a certain group of people who are victimized by fairness, who are victimized by competition from the competent. and who are upset because they have for so long gotten to be

mediocre and rise. those of us who had to be better than mediocre to get cut are so many. when we saw what happened -- look, they just attacked kamala harris the for being in a black sorority. so i wore my delta sigma colors. joy reed might wear hers later. 4 million black votes. when you saw that 81 million dollars in 24 hours, that was over 44,000 black women, many of them divide nine. the brothers got together the next night. i'm just telling you, when erin said galvanize, exactly right. because john's point as a point about arch voters is true. but their fog horn is what's reminding folks that we are not

in the america yet that lives up to its ideals. we haven't been. but we made real progress. when they are showing us who they are, when they call us colored, fox news talking about colored, sebastian gor ka called her a colored. that's language nobody uses anymore. and it's not a dog whistle. it's saying we're going to go back to when you were in the back of the bus. we're going to tell you we're going to put government resource s to ensuring that white men get protected. to the extent that there's a grievance, let me tell you what the only grievance is. anybody who says this country shouldn't be its better angels and that we shouldn't recognize actual qualification in a woman of color and that they have come for our vote, and i'm wearing my shirt, because we at the

leadership conference have a campaign because they have been doing in their power to make it harder for us to vote. so instead of trying to get our votes, which is exactly what should be happening here, instead they are trying to make white people afraid of us. that is what we fought a civil war over and had the second reconstruction over and this is what's at stake now. when she says we won't go back, she's saying, keep on cutting because we coming. >> eddie? >> it's difficult to follow what maya just laid out. >> it's difficult to follow maya. >> it's true. i was thinking historically about the critique of her laughter. in the early 1900s they used to have laughing barrels. we get a barrel of laughter

from. this were these barrels set in jim crow south because there was a sense where the laughter would interrupt public space. and so an essay was written called "the extravagance of laughter", which is when you had to laugh and black people had to stick their heads in a barrel. the context lineage, the fact that my dad couldn't go to princeton and i teach at princeton. the fact that justice scalia said any black kid who gets into princeton is being set up to fail. even when we work hard and get into these spaces, it's not because of merit. so i agree with john talking about qualifications, but the context of this political move, which is so continuous across modern american politics, the context in this moment is precisely maga trumpism and what motivates it. when we're honest about it, then

we understand the significance and depth of the moral choice we face. >> i have to steek in a break or they are going to do something to us, but i think the university of the despair of what's been scaled. the despair, the taking away the votes predicated on a lie, there was no fraud. and yet it impacts communities of color. they take away the access, the despair is the boil that has to be lanced because that's what's been scaled across the electorate. >> absolutely. >> i promise i'm coming to it. no one is going anywhere. when we come back, these are weird people. what one potential democratic vice presidential pick had that to say about the maga movement. plus congressman clyburn referred to as president biden's swan song. we'll talk about the president's

address to the nation tonight. in which he's likely to sort of share his thinking and feelings about handing the torch to his vice president and talk about what's next for his presidency. and later in the broadcast, it turns out attacking women is being childless cat ladies and women should stay in marriages even if they are violent does not work politically. it turns out it does not endear you to voters. new polling makes that clear and shows that republicans are now saddled with an historically unpopular vice presidential nominee in jd vance. all those stories and more when "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. se" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. a volkswagen at the savvy vw summer sales event. 2024 volkswagen models cost less to maintain than honda. get 1.9% apr financing or a $2500 customer bonus on a new 2024 tiguan.

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some people love to talk about the way i laugh. i have my mother's laugh. and grew up around a bunch of women who laughed from the belly. they laughed. they would sit around the kitchen drinking their coffee telling big stories with big laughs. i'm never going to be like that. that's i'm not that person. and i think it's really important for us to remind each other and our younger ones, don't be confined to other people's perception about what this looks like and how you should act in order to be. >> kamala harris somehow in the extraordinary position of having to defend and explain her signature laugh. something that the right is now

oddly attacking her over. we're back with the panel. john? >> the laughter thing is obviously there's a clear lineage of hillary clinton and cackling, but whenever they make this argument, has anybody heard donald trump laugh? laughter in life is -- this is an odd political point, but laughter is infectious. when you see someone laugh, you catch the bug. you start to laugh along with them. it's one of the important signs of humanity. so having said that, i just want to come back to pull these two threads together and talk about efficacy to talk about why this argument is a bad argument from the political standpoint. go back to that 7% we were talking about before, who the voters who are going to determine the election. the biden campaign and trump campaign understands they are going to determine the election.

it's a known reality that in the -- when joe biden was still the nominee of the party, democrats had had a problem with enthusiasm for a long time. in that 7% is a disproportionate number of african-american voters and young voter who this is why there's a theory that they can make up that ground. when these constituencies saw the stakes, they would come around. we have now leapfrogged over that. but we're seeing some of the democratic base rallying to her in a way that it just simply had not to joe biden in the previous couple years for a variety of reasons. but this argument that they are making, which is why her framing

of future versus past, this argument is an old argument. it sounds old to young people. and it reminds people of color, whether they are brown skin or black skin, that of all things that maya is saying, was embedded in the notion they want to take you back. the argument sounds archaic. it doesn't sound like 2024 in america. if there's anything in addition to an aspirational attachment to kamala harris, there's also this other negative thing, which is that they are reminding people of how out of step they are with moderate america. that's another reason why people when no moral stake in the fight, put looking at this in a mechanical way, what is the argument that you want to be making that if you would advise the trump campaign, this is not the argument you want to make with this available crop of voters. in this moment, where democratic enthusiasm is a problem, with these available voters you're

reminding them you're out of step and they are constituencies that live very much today. and i think that is the reason why i found myself agreeing, but you understand what he's saying. the interesting thing is kevin mccarthy and they are making their arguments for different reasons. they will both fall on deaf ears because they think the same thing about kevin mccarthy and adam kinzinger which is not a positive thing and not a word i can use on television. >> by november we might be using that word. >> bring it on. that's the kind of election i have been living for. >> the follow bill barr on the language standards. erin, what i want to ask you to sort of build on is how doubled down? the trump campaign slogan is make america great again. they have conceded the war about

the future. their campaign is about going back to something again. he's more extreme. he's more committed to the ideas in project 2025. he has said out loud things that donald trump hapt hasn't said that women should stay in marriages even if they are happy and violent. they are technical points, they are wedded to a slogan about going backward. they are wedded to a vice presidential nominee who is more extreme and dated than even the person at the top of the ticket. >> that's why you're seeing in the first few days of kamala harris's campaign the not going back line in the stunt speech that's really resinating with voters. they are saying it along with her.

they have been covering the entry into national politics. what we're seeing is a kamala harris that's so much more confident and comfortable in her own skin, so much clearer in her message. one of the criticisms of her firstment campaign for president was there was not a clarity of message. not going back is such a clear message. when you realize that abortion is on the ballot, when you realize that voting rights are on the ballot, when you realize democracy is on the ballot, for millions of voters, that's a message that's resinating with people. i have to say, i remember that interview that the vice president did with drew barrymore and how she really took something that she had been criticized for for a lock time, that laughter. she owned that story. the way she owned that, it really -- there's a new kamala harris in this campaign than we have seen in previous years. coming after freedom, that's yourment campaign song. i saw that and i had to write a column about it because that's a

choice. it says a lot about the tone that we can expect to see over the next 100 or so days. she's letting this roll off her back. not only that, maya mentioned that call. 44,000 strong black women on that call excited about this candidacy, excited about the possibility of kamala harris potentially becoming the first woman president in the united states, but also they understood there was work to do. part of that work was going to be defending against the racist and sexist attacks they knew were going to be coming for this vice president. that call was literally started because of the racist and sexist attacks you saw in the veep stakes that produced kamala harris as the first woman of color vice president of the united states. so this is a fight that not only kamala harris seems ready for, but at least thousands, if not millions of voters are ready to push back against. not only between now and november, but certainly the ballot box.

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i try to go home and sit alone. if the results call for that, that's how i'm going to be tomorrow night. i'm going to watch this alone because i don't want anybody to see me cry because it will be a very emotional time for me. to see joe biden give what will be his swan song, and quite frankly, it makes me a little emotional to even talk about it. >> just put politics aside for a minute. forget about the polls and the debates and the punditry. no panic, we'll be waiting for you. but for a moment, think about

what jim clyburn said there. for him, tonight, for better or worse, he will be watching his friend joe biden deliver these remarks from the oval office in the spirit of appreciating what we're all going to be watching tonight. think about it at a human level. the prime time address airs at 8:00 p.m. eastern. it represents something seen as altogether completely rare in washington. an instance in which someone holding great power, the most power in american politics acts against his or her own self-interest. that's a side their own political ambitions for the good of the country. that reason, whatever the president says, between the words my fellow americans and may god protect our troops will likely provide the american people with some degree of catharsis and allow him to go out completely, his swan song will be on his terms. he's also expected to show the country the immediate path forward. from the resolute desk in the oval office, president biden now

unburdened by the obligations and rigors of a reelection campaign will go into detail on how he plans to spend his final months in office as president. that way tonight ought to be energizing with no campaign to run, president biden will be free to do what he does best, lead. joining us at the table former state department official during the obama administration, rick stank the joins the conversation. eddie and john are still here. i set the scene earlier today. something in jim clyburn's unembarrassed love and affection for joe biden just cracked something open in me and made me wonder again if we can be that again. can we love our leaders again. can we put a spotlight on that, which is good. and we just spent 42 minutes talking about all that is bad, but it's an open question i have as we go into this really historic address from the oval

office. >> it requires people with virtue in order for democracy to work. that means we can't droub in contempt. we can't suffocate a kind of em pa thi, another regard pause we disagree. and so in this moment when so much is at stake and we're all kind of on edge, what we do is we reach for kind of mean spiritedness. what happens in that moment is the corrosion of the soul. the very thing that we loathe takes root in us, and then we become mean spirited. one of the beautiful things out of the tradition of which i come is you have to forgive. you have to love. it's not just so much another regarding, it's a kind of self-care. so what i expect to hear tonight is a gentleman trying to come to terms with a choice.

what i saw yesterday with jim clyburn is an 84-year-old man understanding what's before him too. and seeing it in his friend. so it's all too human. >> it's really to the degree that we can still be moved by our leaders, i think that's what we'll see tonight. what are you looking for? >> it was very moving to hear jim clyburn, and eddie, of course. there's a little bit of that shakespearen thing. nothing began his life like the leaving of it. our feelings for joe biden are increased because of his sign off like this. because that has actually been the thing that proves that he was genuine, that he was honest, that these are values he really lives. but it's a super important speech, but he has to do three important things. he has to explain why he's doing it. he has to say, i'm still up for the job for the next six months. and he has to put a lot of wind

at the back of kamala harris. because to finish the job, he's handing off the baton. and he has to make sure that she is launching with a super amount of speed to basically do that. and that's what voters have to see as well. it's a big job he has to do. he's going to touch a lot of heart strings. but he also has a practical thing which he has to push her forward. >> i love jim clyburn. i loved everything about that except the one thing that i disagree with. swan song. he's going to be president of the united states until january of 2025. and i think he will give other big speeches. but as a political matter, he's going to be kamala harris's

partner for the next six months. there could be national security crises, there could be crises at the border, there could be cyberattacks there could be all manner of things that president biden will have to deal with that will have a direct impact on her. because she is, for good and bad, things that have been unpopular about the biden administration, things that have been popular, trump campaign will do a very good job of basically saying i'm trying to make her own all the things that america hasn't liked about the biden years. he was not a very popular president. he was going out in his high 30s. they are going to try to weigh her down with the things that are unpopular. she's going to argue some of those things are misunderstood and there are a bunch of things that have gotten done, all of that. but the notion that the two of them will are going to be together, even though she's the top of the ticket, he's still running the government that she and he together ran for three and a half years.

so when crises occur, and my favorite political statement of all time used to say, events will occur. events will occur. some of those events will be big events. they will lay at joe biden's feet. he needs to not only convince his rhetorical matter that he's ready to keep going, but he is not going to be making -- this is a sort of swan song, but there are going to be moments -- i bet every dollar in my pocket he's going to be the center of this campaign again active way, not as a rhetorical trope or by vice president hairs. he's going to be in the middle of things that's going to matter on the campaign trail. >> but events do matter, but the biggest event is the campaign. look today. benjamin netanyahu is speaking to congress. have we talked about it? i don't know.

everything becomes subordinate to the campaign. it won't be quite defcon 4 what it should be. we govern in pros andment campaign in poetry. she's going it have all the poetry. he's going to have all the pros. we're interested in the poetry. that's what we're going to be talking about. i agree that events will happen, but they will be lesser based on the fact that everyone is going to be focused on the campaign. >> i certainly hope so. because the kind of events are i'm worried about would overshadow a lot of things. >> to bolster john cease's point. when there was an assassination attempt, the country only had one president. and he gave three speeches in two days. he's the only president we had. and i think the cabinet accepts the resignation. i hear what you're both saying, but the vast four weeks, i'm going to knock on wood, that it

won't continue to be the kind of fall where crises sort of rock us from week to week. but i think they are both going to be on center stage in a really extraordinary way. that might be some of what we're seeing tonight. no one is going anywhere. to be continued on the other side. anywhere to be continued on the other side

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it's new, we had an assassination attempt on the presumptive republican nominee, ex-president donald trump, the resignation, the head of the secret service, debate that changed the shape of the race, joe biden jump out of the race, kamala harris jump into the race, what does the speed of the news cycle portend for the next 106 days? >> well, it's just hard to reckon with, it's exponentially faster than it's ever been because of social media, i'd argue per our discussion during the break, donald trump speeds it up, i mean more than anyone other political figure, it's like, he has the attention span of a goldfish and that creates the news cycle of a goldfish attention span, that doesn't serve the democrats very well, it doesn't serve the culture very well, it doesn't serve democracy very well, and so i

think, you know, we're sitting here, three weeks from now, we'll look back at this, this was a century ago. >> to the point about the speed of the news cycle he now can't pause when he wants to, heed a a moment at the convention, i watched all 111 minutes of his speech, the moment was washed away by sunday at 1:46 p.m. >> absolutely. what it does spectacling and performance as opposed to substantiaive delivery. the fourth estate in our democracy, if we're moving so fast, so quickly, where the citizenry can't settle down and think so they deliberate with each other, oh, my god, then it's spectacle and performance,

quick surface reading, clickbait, it becomes a part of the degeneration of the process. >> and i think the anxiety -- >> you disagree. >> no, i don't disagree at all. i think it's a common complaint we've heard in every cycle. here's thing about this period, in some ways we talk about the news cycle moving fast, these were just -- we just had -- a time when we had extraordinarily series of events that happened in a short time frame, this would have been true in the broadcast era, a game-changing seismic debate that was so significant this it maltly led to sitting. to to step aside, bail out from the presidential race, followed by a assassination attempt by a previous president, days later by a republican convention, followed days later by the

withdrawal of the president. the news cycle, i agree with rick and eddie the news cycle, we're running faster as the news cycle and it makes the important things more -- we're in a compressed period of big events. >> we're not passive, we're not just passive observers of it. we can decide we're going to spend more time on something, too. >> yes, you'd also have to cover the next extraordinary event. >> exactly. >> we have two hours. we try to do that. but i think, i think it's both things. it's the frenetic feeling of it and also this extraordinary period in history. i'm running into the break. i'm getting in trouble. too much news. thank you for spending time with

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americans are being squeezed out of the labor force and their jobs are taken. 107% of those jobs are taken by illegal aliens. >> my work taught me there's still so much talent and grit in the american heartland. there really is. but for these places to thrive, my friends, we need a leader who fights for the people who built this country. >> hi, again. it's 5:00. those speeches happened six,

seven days ago, took place in another world, politically speaking they did, the political world now is wholly different from when those speeches were written, crafted and promoted and delivered. the world we're if now democratic enthusiasm put their defacto nominee kamala harris is booming, where donations big and small are rolling in, where volunteering is up as our voter registrations at this dynamic moment, the presidential ticket is still an open question, kamala harris must be officially nominated and pick a running mate. the republican ticket is totally locked in. we know what that looks like. the gop has chosen an 78-year-old ex-president with 34 felony con vics, his running ma it is 39-year-old, flip-flopper who a few years ago was viciously and deeply personal

terms bashing donald trump, called him "america's hitler." now, now, the guy who said he believed the women, the trump accusers, is now fully on the trump train. j.d. vance is so extreme in fact despite the ex-president's efforts to distance himself from the radical project 2025 agenda, j.d. vance ties him right back to it and bigly, vance wrote the fore word of a yet to be released book written by heritage foundation president kevin roberts the architect of project 2025. what they're presenting to the american people is a very unlikely duo according to polls. j.d. vance is the first vice presidential pick to have a net negative favorable rating immediately after that party's convention. his rating is 25 points below the average vp pick since 2000.

negative 6 points compared to positive 19. in addition to being a convicted criminal the gop's choice to lead this country is the oldest presidential candidate in american history. we're hearing from someone who used to be so very close to him, fred trump, donald trump's nephew, mary trump's brother, has a brand-new memoir that comes out next week, fred trump's son was born with a rare medical condition that led to developmental and intellectual disabilities after trump was elected fred trump wanted to use his connection to the white house for good, the president seemed engage when several people in our group spoke about the expansive efforts they made to care for their profoundly disabled members. after the meeting, fred trump claims that his uncle pulled him

aside, quote, maybe those kinds of people should just die. given, "the shape they're in." the remark wasn't a one-off according fred trump, donald trump's nephew, when he called his uncle donald trump for help because the medical fund that paid for his son's care was running on the of money, fred trump claims his uncle said this, quote, i don't know. he doesn't recognize you. maybe you should just let him die and move down to florida. that's on the menu, voters. trump campaign called this fake news of the highest order. that's where we start the hour. the host of the independent

americans podcast, paul rychoff and eddie stuck around. paul, two more pieces of reporting into the record, there's this harrowing account from donald trump's nephew fred trump. this reporting from the atlantic on form erformer -- milley chos severely wounded army captain avila to sing "god bless america." lost a leg in an ied attack in afghanistan. after his performance, trump walked over to congratulate him, but then said to chairman milley, quote, why do you bring people like that here? no one wants to see that, they're wounded. never let avila appear in public again, trump told milley.

trump's disgust, he mocked a disabled journalist in his 2016 campaign. his disdain for the disabled is a matter of political record. >> the disdain for everyone. he continues to reveal it over and over again. he's a man with no honor, no integrity and he's doubling down on it. he's feeling good. he was coming out of the convention arrogant and i think that's why he made his biggest miscalculation j.d. vance, the fakest person on the planet, he's the captain king, czar of fakery and it's gone with a thud. a real miscalculation because ind pen dents are still key. a battle over the middle. this is massive miscalculation,

because vance gets him nothing with independents and it provides an opening who's still on national security and good on ukraine, a very dynamic situation. >> trump's ire at mary trump is a matter of public record. another family member telling, i don't know you can tell something more damaging about a u man being than their hatred. >> pathological, my sister, my mother's been changing diapers for 60 years. my sister can't walk, can't talk, can't hear, she's never had a bed sore, never been institutionalized. my mother's been changing her diapers for 60 years. that man is going to say

something like that. how he thinks about the most vulnerable. and j.d. vance, he basically trafficked an old argument, about poor white people, arguments about quote/unquote trailer trash, these are folks who are going to speak to everyday working people, we can't fall for this nonsense. they're revealing who they are, what their character turnly entails. >> sarah, what are voters making of trump's selection of j.d. vance? >> let me say on this point really quickly, tell eddie i love him there, you know, the thing is, this goes to the central flaw of donald trump's campaign. which is that donald trump doesn't care about people. he's a bad person. he's in it for himself.

right, he's running for president to stay out of jail. he's running for president to pay his legal bills. he actually think america's a pretty lousy place. he doesn't care about the american people because he doesn't care about people. when it comes to j.d. vance, you know, obviously j.d. vance was a never trumper like we were, i still am, he's now trump's vice president, i think it strikes right at the heart of who he is to be somebody who could call trump america's hitler, very clear eyed about who trump is and then go on to suck up to him in order to get a senate seat and be the most pliant in order to get celebritied for vice president. voters see that stuff. that's not lost on him. when i listen to swing voters, since this election, you know

they know about j.d. vance, he used to be against trump, now he he's sucking up to him. the extent they know anything about it, it's that point, somebody who did an about-face on trump. it's really something to manage to put together a full ticket of character-less people. >> what's the state of the race today? >> the state of the race is completely different than the last time i was on, we're in a whole new world, frankly i'm excited about that world. eddie and i were together the night of that catastrophic debate, we were on the same page about what we saw that night, which was we thought was campaign-ending, so to have the party come together, make what's an unbelievably difficult

choice, demonstrates that we still have one sane, adult political party, capable of doing hard things and the way they've consolidated around kamala harris and the way she's comported herself since becoming the purported nominee has been nothing short of excellence. if you asked me four yours ago if i would be enthusiastic about xal ya harris i'm sure i would have said no, i think she's grown a ton, we're seeing that demonstrated right now, she injected so much new life into this campaign, into the party, and look, i think -- look, i've been listening to voters talking about kamala harris for a long time, the number one thing they say, i don't know, i don't see much of her, i don't know, the thing is, that's where they get sure of a broad negative impression of her, they don't feel like they know her, there's upside her, she reintroduce

herself to the country right now and bring them along with her. what i've seen so far she's doing that. the trump campaign is terrified. they build an entire campaign to run on the context of age and infirmity and guess what, trump has to live in that narrative while he's the old man running against generational change. >> yes. yes. absolutely. our mouths were wide open trying to figure out what just happened and what was to follow. what's so striking about this current moment for me, nicole, is the quickness of it. a backlash from the ugly underbelly of america was in full view and in an instant, a moment that i could not have anticipated in many ways the possibility of the future opened up again, i'm not trying to make kamala harris, the only thing

for a moment i thought the past had swallowed up america's promise, that the ugliness of our ghosts had us by the throat and we couldn't breathe, here's a moment where the nation faces a choice and it's vice president harris, past and future, we have a chance where the differences that make us who we are no longer tied down -- >> two days in a row that people made -- let me challenge you on independents, this false idea of who kamala harris was when she ran and this reality of who she's become, who she's become is someone who singularly dismantle bill barr, jeff sessions, as the its senator, she never wobbled after that

debate performance, i experienced it, she didn't, she went on tv moments after it, i'm not going to let 90 minutes define 3 1/2 years. hasn't said about her own race and identity. she's only the candidate in the public arena not talking about herself, i don't do campaigns anymore, i used to, the thing that made them recoil, they owed anyone to vote. >> there's also some built-in headwinds that she's facing in reaching independents and republicans. the democratic brand is not popular with independents and other people who aren't democrats. right now 51% of the country is independent and that number is

going up. factor of rfk junior is not a real independent who's on the board. how does she make that case and moderate, how deshe re-brand herself and appeal to independents and give them some comfort, lot of that comes with her vp pick. she has to pick someone who's honorable, trustworthy. i think it's mark kelly. i think it's mark kelly. everybody likes astronaut. a combat fighter pilot. he comes from arizona. the next generation democratic spirit of john mccain, he's got the maverick in him. he's trusted to be commander in chief. strong national security argument that will make independents and moderate republicans. >> your thoughts of what will be

her next big decision, selecting a running mate. >> well, look, i'm partial to josh shapiro from pennsylvania, a must-win state, it just is, the tipping point state, it's very big, he's extremely popular there, but, look, honestly, she's got a on the of good choices, i think kelly is a fine choice, i think beshear is okay choice, but they're all pretty good, but i think for my overall thoughts is, she should go with somebody that she feels really good with, for somebody, this person has to help make, help create a structure for a lot of white guys potentially to vote for her who are maybe, there are a lot of white male democrats for the center right voters, and these independent voters, i agree, she has to do some work. you can't throw a white guy on

the ticket and saying you're going reach those people, she's got to make the case, too, i think one of her biggest liability is the idea of sort of a california liberal, she'll have to do the work to turn that around. i think she can, by showing people who she is, moderating on some of those positions. i think she's got to show whom they're going to be. i feel like she understands that assignment. she's looking for sort to balance the ticket, with somebody who will appeal to independents. look f she decided to take pete, people think that's scary choice, a black woman and a gay guy, but he's athlete. i think she can't go wrong with

the choices in front of her. >> i don't do what you guys do. but what strikes me is that at the moment in which we were talking about aspirationally, the first thing we started doing was bringing it down to the ground and shackling our ankles by the weight of the political reality, the political spectrum, moderate right, left, we have to. >> and fear. >> so part of what i'm trying to think about is, we talked about this earlier, what happens when the american idea no longer has future available to it? because we're always kind of choked by the past. it seems to me all of us, however you describe yourself now we need to take the risks to be otherwise. right, and i think -- i know you

guys do it, i just want us to allow us to dream differently about who we can be together and we have an opportunity, i think in this moment, which was so ugly to do that. >> i think it's where people who write on autokrasy, the one thing that independents recoil the quickest is pandering. >> and partisanship. pick someone who can bring you those people, potentially win you a state like arizona, bring the national security community, gabby giffords, a bonus here, gabby a chance to tell her story again, i think that's why i think he's the most compelling among the options. this is about the middle, still that dog fight over those swing

states. >> unfortunately, or maybe not, we didn't have time to deal with trump today, i guess is trump, why he's crying these days, he's talking about birds and wind. we'll deal with it tomorrow. thank you for your moving and candid analysis and thoughts today. i'm really grateful. when we come back, the energy and excitement surrounding vice president harris translating into big stuff. huge numbers of new voter registrations, lots of donations, lots of volunteers, we'll get a sense of that new optimism the democrats are feeling when congressman eric swalwell joins us. later, senator harris eviscerated bret kavanagh with 19 words.

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in this moment, i believe we face a choice between two different visions for our nation. one focused on the future. the other focused on the past. so i say as we work to build a brighter future, and to move our

nation forward, we must also recognize there are those who are trying to take us backward. these extremists want to take us back, but we are not going back, we are not going back. >> in just three days, two days, vice president harris now the defacto democratic presidential nominee honing in on her message about the future versus the past in a way that has the crowd chanting "we're not going back." invigorated by donations. and voter registration and volunteers. according to washington post, quote, one campaign adviser reported even donors who had long been private detractors of harris have opened.

this has been the most intense roller coaster i've ever been on. according to nbc news reporting, democrats are cautiously optimistic that they could finally have the first female president. joining us now is congressman eric swalwell of california, can't read that without paying tribute to hillary clinton and everything the country got wrong and did wrong, turns out she was right about everything, trump's affinity, puppet relationship with vladimir putin the fact that some of his supporters on january 6th would do deplorable things. the fact that he would interconnect his businesses with the business of the united states government, tell me how that sort of emotional trauma is woven into the electorate in ways might have opened up and tapped into for good. >> we've been through a lot

. she was right about almost everything and we're so fortunate that, you know, she served us and we're so fortunate that you know she paved the way for kamala harris to finally take trump to the trash, you know i have known kamala for about 20 years, we both got our start in the alameda county district attorney's office. and the kamala i know is tough, she's smart, she's real, obviously because she's been vice president, a senator and attorney general, she's ready, but she's fun and people are just starting to see that. ten years ago was her wedding and at her wedding reception, you know when she married doug,

i remember, you know, seeing her and she came over to me and she lit up and she was being so kind with her time to me and others there. she looked at me and she saw that i didn't have a drink in my hand. eric, you don't have a drink in your hand. she made me feel like the most important person in the room. she wants everyone at the party to have fun and i'm so happy that people are starting to see that. in such contrast to a guy who's running against who can't laugh, takes everything, you know, so darkly and so seriously, it's refreshing to have someone who's just fun. >> you know, there's something politically significant and important about what you're talking about, let me show you what your colleague congressman maxwell frost said about young voters and their excitement

about her. >> with young voters, to go online, young voters are really excited about her, she's been ginning up for weeks. we got to go out and translate that into votes. >> she's winning the meme war, tell me about the coconuts and tell me about the political significance of what congressman frost said there. >> well, she's just real, young people can call bs so fast, they can google it and check you so quickly, so when they see somebody who's comfortable in their own skin she likes to dance, she likes to cook, and yes, she has used, you know, sayings from her family are the first time we heard them and they land and they're funny, again, she's serious but she doesn't take herself too

seriously, and that's one of the highest compliments i think a young person like maxwell can say. >> let me show you the other side of her, sizable set of political tools, this is her prosecuting the case against donald trump's type. >> before i was elected vice president, before i was elected united states senator, i was elected attorney general of the state of california and i was a courtroom prosecutor before then. and in those roles, i took on perpetrators of all kinds. predators, who abused women. fraudsters, who ripped off consumers. cheaters, who broke the rules for their own gain. so, hear me when i say -- i know

donald trump's type. >> i mean, i heard her first give at the wilmington, headquarters, it got the same reaction, she's really, really hitting it now the crowd goes wild, it's a formulation that just gets right at not just who she is but who trump is. >> and she's going to make that case for the next hundred or so days and donald trump has been bragging to anyone who will listen he's going to easily beat kamala harris,ny cole, we know who said that before, when she was prosecutor, other sexual predators and rapists did, if you want to find out how this movie end, donald trump, you have to ask them, you'll have to go to prison to do it. she'll make this case, she has

this closing argument to the country. if she focuses on the last one hundred days of donald trump and how chaotic and corrupt they were for the country and what her first 100 days will be as president harris. >> congressman swalwell, thank you for spending some time with us. when we come back the crucialish shy of protecting and preserving reproductive rights in the face of extreme republican abortion bans has been bolster by kamala harris. we'll have that conversation next. ve that conversation next

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can you think of any laws that give government the power to make decisions about the male body? >> i'm happy to answer more specific question. >> male versus female? >> there are medical procedures >> okay, that the government has the power to make a decision about a man's body. >> i thought you were asking about medical procedures unique to men. >> i'll repeat the question, can you think of any laws that give the government the power to make decisions about the male body? >> i'm not thinking of any right now, senator. >> wasn't able to think of any

in the moment, to answer her repeated questions about the legal precedent for abortion rights, so then senator kamala harris made him to answer to the unfairness of it all, of taking rights away from just women. we play that for you, because four years after justice kavanagh was in instrumental in overturning roe v. wade and vice president harris has left very doubt about what kind of president she'll be. she'll make the ex-president and republicans across the country answer as well, for allowing these extreme abortion bans, just hours into her campaign she's ignited a boost of energy within her party to make this issue central to the election. the message she's been focussing in on for years now on behalf of

the biden administration and one that's undefeated at the ballot box. here's vice president harris just this afternoon. >> when he was president donald trump, former president hand picked three members of the united states supreme court because he intended for them to overturn roe v. wade. when i'm president of the united states, and congress passes a law to restore those freedoms, i will sign it into law. we're not playing around. >> harris campaigns surrogate of reproductive rights is here. let me start by saying, i don't think congressman swalwell was suggesting that donald trump is rapist, but if that impression

was left, donald trump has been found liable for sexual abuse, but he's not a convicted rapist, an extraordinary distinction to make, the times in which we live, but i want to come to you, minnie, on the vice president's role on this ticket and in this administration in connecting with women who have been impacted by the supreme court and by these republican bans as well as all women in this country, who have been awakened to the dangers of this extreme supreme court and their decisions, it's an extraordinary sort of meeting of a person, a woman, and a political moment, an urgent one at that. >> yeah, i mean, kamala harris from the minute -- actually pre-dobbs, way tonight go back to sb8 in texas, at that moment she sprung into action and i got

to give credit to president biden, president biden and vice president harris, the whole of their administration, you know, set up immediate action, started doing everything they could to have a whole of government approach and started getting ready once we knew the dobbs case was going to go to the supreme court, so she's been out there and obviously post-dobbs she's done almost, i've lost track, hundred-plus meetings and events across the country, small and large, with patients and providers, in red states, in states with abortion bans, in fact, an abortion ban would go into place, we'd get a phone call, vice president's going to arizona, can you get your members there? she was nonstop. and that was really, really important because not only was that helping drive the administration's approach, understand what actions they needed to take, but also it was

driving the message that this administration is here to fight for you and it was getting into media markets and if front of people who wouldn't necessarily would have been paying attention to the crisis. she was the leader to meet the moment. kudos to president biden for putting her in charge of that response and now as this continuing to be the most sal yent action, an exciting time for our advocates and for americans who desperately wanted this champion being more robust and full throttled about abortion access. >> caitlyn, you're featured in a harris campaign ad. trump thinks he should not be held accountable for his own criminal actions, but he'll let women and doctors be punished." you lived the painful consequences of doctors and

nurses being too scared to give you the medical care you needed when you knew that you were miscarrying a pregnancy, talk about the real lived experiences of women all over this country, totally separate by the fact of being women in america in these times. >> yeah, absolutely. so i can certainly speak to as someone who has gone through the grueling consequence of not having a state that protects you and living in a state with a strict abortion ban, not having access to reproductive health care, so essentially what i've been hearing in red states, blue states, all over this country in the last several months is that everyone wants the same thing, folks are voting on this issue and most importantly to help people understand what happens

if you allow donald trump to take the white house a second time. so essentially, what i've learned on the campaign trail but also just in my everyday life, someone reached out to me since the dobbs decision came out, there are far too many stories of women who are dealing with miscarriages and trying to manage them or being faced with circumstances that 24 weeks pregnant, having to cross state lines to access care they should have in their state, one thing is very clear and very evident in this moment kamala harris is going to do the work we need to restore roe v. wade and give women our dignity back and the access we deserve in every single state. it's so important that people understand, we have this afforded healthcare where folks in some states enjoy health care to its full extent and some of us don't. what we're looking for kamala harris to be able to restore is

the access to maternal health care. what i love also, too, as kamala harris running as a woman of color it's important that she brings the lens of maternal health in this country and stakes that come with being in a state like mine,. creates even more barriers to access the health care we deserve. i think kamala harris will be someone who champion this issue and bring light to something that's been happening for decades within the black community, people of color community, and most importantly bring that conversation to the abortion conversation. >> dignity is such an important

sort of, where we should start, women aren't asking for something special we're asking to not die that outpace other -- i have to sneak in a quick break. some of what this looks like on the campaign trail. we'll do that on the other side of a very short break. don't go anywhere. t break. don't go anywhere. (music playing)

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how dare these elected leaders believe they're in a better position to tell women what they need. to tell women what's if their best interest. six-week ban makes very clear by the way these very important so-called leaders are not very clear about how a woman's body works. donald trump says he's proudly responsible for what he's done. proudly responsible? that our daughter has fewer rights than my mother in law. proudly responsible, doctors can be imprisoned, proudly responsible that access to invie throw fertilization is now at vice president kamala harris the de facto democratic nominee for president. the chant that has broken out at her speeches is, we're not going

back. i don't know that there's a single issue that encapsulated that as much as she just said in that last clip, that her daughter would have fewer rights than her mother-in-law. >> she's really driving home that we've got to pit it on donald trump. there is somebody and there are someones responsible for it. the house, the gop, the supreme court that donald trump was responsible for and that he's bragged about it, that he's proud of it. he's been trying to wiggle out of any association with project 2025, with the overturning of roe. she's been clear eyed that her job is to prosecute the case against donald trump. that includes the case against roe v. wade. the campaign has continued what it's been doing with folks like

katelyn and amanda and others to be out hitting all the states as much as possible on this issue. katelyn and i were together in georgia on friday right before the big announcement. we were in georgia talking to voters in georgia. i think georgia is back in play with kamala harris atop the ticket. the energy even before the announcement was palpable. we had a packed room and excited organizers. i think we're just getting started. >> katelyn, i'll ask you this question. any woman that's pregnant, then you start to bleed, then you go to the doctor, it's so personal, it's so devastating. how do you find the strength to take this devastating personal moment and share it with the country to try to bring about change? >> that's a great question. i get asked that quite a bit.

as much as i tell my story, it doesn't get easier. it gets harder because you're constantly reliving that moment and grieving that loss. i empathize with any woman that goes through a miscarriage. i think that is what gives me the motivation and energy to really galvanize around this issue and help people understand it's already hard enough to go through a miscarriage. it's going to be met with doors closed and not have a physician at your disposal to walk you through the process or give you the procedure that you need in order to pass the pregnancy with dignity. it's going to be even more difficult to handle that situation. no woman is faced with that. i don't want anyone else in this country to live through what i've lived through.

that is what is at stake in this election, making sure women have the opportunities to meet with that provider, have their conversation with their provider alone and leave government out of it. i find that has been the conversation that amanda and i both have with several different women across this country who have similar experiences, again, going back to crossing state lines while dealing with a crisis is so unnecessary and it's not any country that i want to live in. we've got to rebuild the place that we want to be. that looks like starting kamala harris as our presidential nominee. >> i hope you hear this. it is because people like you are willing to take this most deeply personal tragedy and trauma and share and help people understand that the lucky people haven't been through that, understand what this looks like. that's why 70% of all americans agree with all of us that

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