♪♪ it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, is kamala harris about to score her biggest endorsement yet? exclusive new reporting about her conversations with former president obama and whether he'll offer some heavy hitting support on the trail. joe biden's long good-bye, the president makes the case for his legacy in an oval office address saying the best way to unite the

country is by passing the torch. how much progress can he make on his ambitious plan for his final months in office? the door closing fast for anyone hoping to challenge kamala harris. new dnc rules and how they'll speed up the time line for her vp announcement. and new today, the speaker of the house is blasting the fbi director for suggesting it is not clear whether donald trump was actually hit by a bullet. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. let's begin with that nbc news exclusive about multiple conversations this week between vice president harris and former president obama. nbc's yamiche alcindor is following this from washington. yamiche, could an endorsement by barack obama be imminent? >> that's what sources are telling nbc news. they're saying that an endorsement is likely to come soon, though there's not a precise timing. president obama was being careful not to sort of overstep on the fact that president biden was going to be having this national address where he was

talking about stepping down and passing the torch to vice president kamala harris. with that being said, our team here is learning that there have been multiple contacts between vice president harris and president biden, and president biden really sees himself as a sounding board, and someone who can offer counsel on how to set up a winning campaign. he won both of his elections when he was running for president. we're also told there could be a rally with both of them, vice president harris and president obama, and of course obama has been on the campaign trail for democrats in the past. those rallies have been energetic, they have brought people out. he's seen as someone who is a heavy hitter who can energize people and bring people to the polls in this close election. there are a lot of people telling me both voters on the road and also democratic strategists that this feels like this could possibly be another obama like moment for the democratic party because right now there's so much energy for the vice president. i have been on the road with her

the last few days, and i can tell you, there have been voters who have been crying, emotional. democrats feeling relieved at the idea that they knew have a chance to beat former president trump, and the rallies that we have seen have been setting records. just the first rally in wisconsin. it was the largest ever biden harris campaign event. so that tells you sort of the energy that's there, and of course the fundraising, they have been raising millions and millions of dollars. more than $100 million for vice president harris's new campaign. she has a lot to really make up time for because there's of course only 100 days until the election. she's really wanting to bring things together quickly. president obama is a resource to do that. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you for your reporting. president biden has given himself marching orders, an ambitious set of goals and six months to reach them. nbc's mike memoli is at the white house for us. this was, i think, deeply personal, emotional speech from the president last night.

it was also a plan. so what is it? >> reporter: well, chris, we're going to hear more from the president in the last as i said months in office. he made it clear, he's going to run to the finish line and continue to deliver on promises he made to the american people, including things like lowering costs and reforms to the supreme court. so often when president biden was a candidate in the race, he had to balance talking about these important issues like the economy with the important high stakes of this election, and in that address last night, the president did really lean into the idea of an inflection point facing the country, deciding between unity or division, hope over hate, as the president put it. he reflected on his long career, and his difficult decision to step aside. listen to more of the president's comments. >> i revere this office, but i love my country more. my fellow americans, it's been the privilege of my life to serve this nation for over 50 years. nowhere else on earth could a kid with a stutter from modest

beginnings in scranton, pennsylvania, one day sit behind the resolute desk in the oval office as president of the united states. here i am. >> reporter: you could hear, chris, the emotion in the president's voice last night. we also have these incredible photos of members of the president's family watching alongside in the oval office as the president made this announcement, and we had that statement, that tweet from the first lady talking about and really thanking those who, as she put it, stuck by her husband, even in the most difficult of moments. you can sense here there was still some anger on the part about the view he was pushed aside. the first lady wanting to thank those who stuck with the president, and making it clear she was also supporting kamala harris. >> mike memoli, thank you. let's go to capitol hill now where the republicans are outraged over some of the testimony the fbi director gave about the trump assassination attempt. ryan nobles is following that story for us.

what more can you tell us? >> reporter: it's interesting, chris. this came between a back and forth between christopher wray and jim jordan, the chair of the house judiciary committee. he was asking about the number of cartridges found at the scene at the assassination attempt of former president trump. unprompted, the director made the point it's not clear whether or not the president was actually hit with a bullet but rather shrapnel from the shooting. take a listen to what the director said. >> with respect to former president trump, there's -- there's some question about whether or not it's a bullet or shrapnel that, you know, hit his ear. >> reporter: now, of course president trump himself has said multiple times that he was hit by a bullet. ronny jackson, a member of congress who was there with him at the scene put out a letter talking about what he saw after. he said he was hit by a bullet. i talked to the speaker of the house, mike johnson about the director's testimony and this is

what he said to me. we've all seen the video. we have seen the analysis. we've heard it from multiple sources in different angles that a bullet went through his ear, although i'm not sure it matters that much. and then congressman jackson responding to director wray's testimony in a state on x, he also said that it was absolutely irresponsible for the fbi director to say this, to make such a statement. it was a bullet, and then he went on to say that he has seen the wound. and while it is true that this is what the president has said about the situation, this is what ronny jackson said about the situation, the former president himself is yet to release his medical records from his time in the hospital after encountering this assassination attempt, and so it is not clear exactly what the physicians at the hospital treated him for at that time, but the point that the speaker made to me was that whether or not he was actually hit by a bullet, whether it was shrapnel, it does not change the

fact that there was an attempt on his life and it's something that congress, the federal law enforcement agencies need to get to the bottom of so something like this doesn't happen again. chris. >> ryan nobles, thank you. potential rivals to challenge kamala harris have until 6:00 p.m. saturday if they're going to get into the race. nbc's alex seitz-wald is following this decision for us, one of the decisions that came out of the rules committee there. what else did we learn? >> yeah, chris, the overall story here is that the process is moving very fast. no other major democrat has indicated they're thinking about running against harris, but if anyone out there is thinking about it, you have until saturday at 6:00 p.m. to announce, and you only have until tuesday to collect 300 signatures from delegates to be in contention, so they are moving very quickly, and the reason for that is not just because of the democratic national convention on august 19th. democrats are trying to get ahead of this ballot access

deadline in ohio on august 7th. they worry if they don't finalize their nomination by then, it could expose them to litigation that could potentially get them kicked off the ballot. ohio officials say that's not true. the issue has been resolved. there's no danger. democrats don't touch them, and outside conservative groups are looking to sue. democrats want to get this all wrapped up by august 7th, which is, you know, less than two weeks from today. which why they're rushing so fast, and harris's campaign has also confirmed assuming she's the nominee, they want to get their vp chosen, selected done by then, and roll into the convention as a unified ticket. >> alex seitz-wald, thank you. in 90 seconds, an old j.d. vance quote calling kamala harris a childless cat lady takes the internet by storm and prompts this warning from minnesota governor and vp contenders tim walz. >> my god, they went after cat people, good luck with that,

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our corporate oligarchs by a bunch of childless cat ladies, miserable in their own lives and they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the entire future of the democrats is controlled by people without children. how does it make sense we have turned our country over to people who don't really have a direct stake in it. >> here to discuss, former ohio democratic congressman, tim ryan, one of the only politicianings who has gone against j.d. vance, and robin given, senior critic at large for "the washington post." robyn, i think for a lot of people this speaks to a larger question that has been raised about j.d. vance, and what many people see as a traditional view of the place of women in the world. what more do we know about him and his positions? >> well, i mean, i think for someone to say something like that in the 21st century is,

first, unkind, and so i think that says a lot about the person who would say it. the second thing is that it does seem to suggest that there is this vision that the role of women is first of all to bear children. and if they have not done that, then that in some ways makes them less capable or less valuable or their opinions or their desires less important. you know, the other thing that i would say is that it also seems to really discount the idea of empathy, that you don't have to actually have experienced something in order to have sensitivity to it, and understanding of it, and a desire to make a future that is welcoming and sustainable for future generations. i think it says a lot about the kind of person who would say such a thing. >> congressman, it's a rare thing to unite meghan mccain, jennifer aniston, governors,

taylor swift fans, and if you add to that some facts. as of 2020, this is the census, 46% of american women did not have children. in a pugh survey just published today of adults under 50 who don't have kids, 47% say they are unlikely to ever have them. now, since all of this bubbled up again on the internet, kamala harris hasn't said anything. does she let the statement speak for itself, especially since it's kind of taken on a life of its own? what do you make of this? >> yeah, she could probably just let it roll, but this just goes to show how bad j.d. vance is at this. like we thought we saw it all. it's going to keep coming. i ran against him, it's going to keep coming. and the bottom line is, kamala, she does have kids. she has stepchildren. now you're telling everybody who may have stepchildren that they love, care for, support, like they are their own blood

children, you're telling all of them that they should have a lesser stake in the democracy. that's the other clip where he says if you don't have kids, you should have less power, less of a voice in the democracy, so if you have step kids, j.d. vance is saying that you should not have as many rights as everybody else, including women who don't have any kids at all or any step kids. he's just kind of eliminating so many voting blocs with every clip you see. keep them coming, j.d., this is great for kamala harris. and then you tie that into the fact that he wants a national abortion ban with no exceptions for rape and incest. he said that women should stay in a violence marriage for the sake of the kids. right. he says we knee a caesar in the country. this is a person, him and the former president, they want to control women. they want to say when you can and can't do something with your body. they want to say when you can and can't get out of a marriage. they want to say if you don't have any blood children, you

shouldn't have a voice at the ballot box, and kamala is giving the exact opposite. she's saying it's going to be about all of us, how do we come together? it's going to be the american people. that's why i think she's doing so well out of the gate, and you add this stuff in, these guys are just unlikable and they're two dudes that want to try to control women. that's what the bottom line is here. >> so robin, to tim's point, kamala harris's stepdaughter actually posted online about this. quote, how can you be childless when you have cutie pie kids like cole and i. i love my three parents. i mean, the obvious group that you've offended is women who are childless. but you have stepparents, you have many women who have gone through an emotional roller coaster, and men, who haven't been able to have children. i mean, the list, robin, goes on and on and on.

>> well, i think that, you know, it's a statement that offends just human beings, frankly. i don't think that you have to have children or you have to have a desire to have children that, you know, you haven't been able to. you don't even have to particularly like children. i mean, i think it's just, on its face, it's a ridiculous statement because it suggests that an adult woman is somehow not worthy of and capable of making her own decisions, and being able to have a broad view of the world around her to work to consider the context, to use a kamala harris word, to consider the context in which she lives and in which her neighbors live. i mean, i think that, you know, even if you don't have children, you certainly care about the education of the next generation.

you certainly care about the people who will someday perhaps be your neighbors or your doctor or police officers or firefighters, so the whole notion is absurd. >> yeah, and you also wonder, the republicans have been pretty quiet about this, tim. we know what happened in 2020. we know how women, how suburban women went away from donald trump. they frankly, as i went from battleground state to battleground state and talked to them, they just didn't like the way he talked. i wonder how republicans are feeling about this today? >> well, you see an ageing and more and more incoherent donald trump, which puts the focus on his vice presidential candidate, you know, it's bad enough that the president trump is supporting all the 2025 initiatives and all of that, but when you see, you know, his diet, his health, his incoherence, you know, he's the oldest candidate to ever run for

president. how old he would be in four years, there's a good chance j.d. vance would be president of the united states. so you tell all the people who own cats and the women who don't have children, and all the people with stepchildren, that j.d. vance could potentially be the next president of the united states, you're going to see a huge backlash, and i think not to be glib about this, but when you look at the republican party, you look at the evangelicals, jesus did not have children. right? so you're basically saying that the founder of the christian faith, the inspiration for the christian faith never had any children, and j.d. vance would think this way too about that? so i just think it's important for everybody to, like, take a step back and see how radical these guys are and what they would want to do, and it comes from a deep insecurity that j.d. vance has. a deep insecurity that donald trump has, and what do people who are deeply insecure do, they try to control everybody else, and that's what we're seeing.

>> you know, robin, i think these are important discussions about how we talk about each other, the way we treat each other, but, i mean, to be honest, people are having fun with it too, if you look online. and there is a group that has proved formidable, proud cat ladies, which automatically means fans of the world's most famous cat lady, taylor swift. and i point this out because when taylor swift told her 2.8 million instagram followers to vote last year, 35,000 people registered in the span of 24 hours. that was the highest number that was seen in three years. i wonder if the trump camp realizes the risk of poking the swifty bear? >> well, i think oftentimes there's a lot of emphasis or a lot of thought certainly put into sort of formal speeches and, you know, and the talking points that politicians will use, and certainly that makes sense. but oftentimes it is these sort of off the cuff trying to be

cute, sort of remarks that are the ones that i think can often be the most revealing. i mean, the reality is that it's not whether or not you have children, it's how you treat children in general. >> and other humans, whatever their age. robin, congressman tim ryan, thank you both. much appreciated. >> thank you. still ahead, how joe biden's abandoned reelection bid raises the stakes for his meeting today with the israeli prime minister. plus, the message he's sending to the families of hostages. s o. (inaudible sounds) (elevator doors opening) wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪

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a new twist on the road to -- in just moments, president biden and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu are set to meet with the families of american hostages in gaza. it comes just hours after the idf confirmed it has retrieved the bodies of five hostages, all believed to have been killed on october 7th. nbc's kelly o'donnell is reporting from washington. what do we know about this meeting between the two leaders and the conversations that they'll have with those families? >> reporter: certainly this is the most emotionally potent part of the conversations that are happening today on the war in israel because of the families who have been such fierce advocates for their loved ones since october 7th. trying to keep the pressure up, trying to humanize the situation. trying to make certain that their loved ones are front and center, remembered during all of

this. some frustration expressed by hostage families over the reception that benjamin netanyahu got in congress when he gave a very fiery speech where he talked about the importance of standing with israel and he had a lot of applause, especially from republicans on a number of the issues and for hostage families, it is more complex. they support certainly defending israel, but they want their loved ones back. here is a part of what we've heard from families today. >> bring back the hostages that are alive, and those that are dead, and that is the only thing that can truly be considered a victory in this situation, and now there is an actual opportunity to do that. and our prime minister is delaying it at the cost of possibly the lives of our loved ones, and to hear that, to be there during his speech, and to hear the members of congress applauding him over and over, it was a really really hard

experience. >> reporter: you get a sense of the frustration that they feel and the concern that in the judgment of some of these families that netanyahu has not gone far enough in the negotiating to return their loved ones, those living and the bodies of those who have been killed in this conflict. they are concerned that more time in order to prosecute the war from the state of israel's perspective is actually great risk for their loved ones. so these are complex issues, certainly president biden wants to see a cease fire, while maintaining support for israel, wanting to cool the temperature in what has been such a volatile situation over the last year, and certainly over time. decades of tensions in that region. chris. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you for that. well, benjamin netanyahu's visit to washington has been met with considerable protests and at least in one case, it got, well, gross. activists released hundreds of meal worms, maggots and crickets in the watergate hotel where netanyahu is staying.

they also claim to have pulled the firearm to disrupt his sleep ahead of that speech before congress. it's unclear how they were able to access an area that's presumably under tight security. the public safety team in charge of protecting netanyahu say he was never under threat. 23 people were arrested as thousands of pro-palestinian protesters descended on capitol hill. most marched peacefully but there were a few clashes with police. some protesters burned american flags, and an effigy of netanyahu was outside union station. north korea is ramping up the unconventional campaign, sending 500 balloons laden with trash across the border in a 24-hour period. flights at several airports had to be suspended and a fire ignited on the roof of one residential building, that's according to south cree caribbean officials. north korea sent thousands of trash balloons since may,

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a new twist on the road to what could be the great debate. fox news has given donald trump what he asked for, issuing a formal invitation to a face-off or an alternative, maybe an addition to the planned host abc. so as we wait for both sides to agree on the when and the where and the how many, there's also new reporting on another major moment to come. plans for the democratic convention are shaping up as the party revamps its program to reflect the new nominee. it's kamala harris's biggest and best opportunity to introduce herself to the american public, although already today she's out with her first official campaign video featuring beyonce's song freedom. >> there's some people who think we should be a country of chaos, of fear, of hate, but us, we choose something different. we choose freedom.

♪♪ >> let's bring in nbc news senior political editor, mark murray, stewart stevens is former chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 campaign. and michael hardaway, former staffman of hakeem jeffries and dick durbin. the dnc is set to begin on august 19th. here's how the associated press reports on, after a near of careful planning, organizers have a new nominee, recrafted program, highly compressed deadline to pull everything off as if that was the plan all along. what are they facing? >> here's the good news, we have something we didn't have before, which is energy. i've gotten so many calls from donors, members of congress, business leaders in the past week who have said, this is fantastic. i'm actually going to leave the venue in august and go to chicago. >> you still got to put on the show. >> that is true. i have full faith that jaime

harrison is an incredible guy in terms of leading the party, and i think he'll do the right thing during that week, and things will turn out fine. i'm an optimist, but i'll say to you, this will be a good thing. we'll have the energy, the people and it all will work out. >> before harris can get to the convention, donald trump is trying to define her for voters. right? that's the way you run a campaign. listen to what he said. >> so now we have a new victim to defeat. lyin' kamala harris. the most incompetent and far left vice president in american history, but this november, the american people are going to tell her, no thanks, kamala, you've done a terrible job. you've been terrible at everything you've done. you're ultraliberal, we don't want you here, we don't want you anywhere, kamala, you're fired, get out of here. you're fired. >> besides mispronouncing her

name, mark, what do we know about their strategy? >> yeah, chris, their strategy is actually in the works right now, and this is kind of all coming about because their opponent has changed in just the last few days, and in that rally in north carolina, which was donald trump's first since joe biden's exit from the race, not only did the end up attacking harris for being ultraliberal or radical as he was putting it, he also went after her background as a prosecutor in san francisco, tied her to joe biden's policies on immigration, as well as on the economy, but, chris, again, as i mentioned earlier, this is kind of a -- this is a work in progress at the very least for the trump campaign. and while they ended up saying that they were prepared for a move and a biden exit, we are still seeing some growing pains on their messaging, which was all focused on joe biden for hundreds of days, and now with just three and a half months remaining has to go to kamala harris.

>> you know, stewart, there are different lengths of time in which you can get your message out there for a convention. it's going to be four days for a debate. 90 minutes, two hours. but eight seconds is how long it took the harris campaign to use trump's own words against him. after his north carolina rally, they dropped this on twitter. >> the campaign says, i'm the prosecutor, and he is the convicted felon. >> i'm kamala harris, and i approve this message. >> from a political messaging perspective, how effective do you think those eight seconds are. >> i think it's a home run. whoever did that should take the evening off. look, this is a very simple framing. you got a guy who's a criminal. you have a woman who's a prosecutor. she put criminals in jail. this isn't going to be very complicated to match up.

it's really extraordinary how republicans seem to have gotten into this where they have to defend the indefensible, and that's what they're doing here. you have a woman who put sexual predators in jail against a guy who's been found liable of sexual assault that a judge called rape. i mean, how much of a contrast do you want? >> well, she'll get a chance to make that contrast, right, michael, because they're going to have a debate. who can forget, i want to show this again. that's trump looming over hillary clinton, just walking, getting close to her, some people said invading her personal space. that got talked about a lot. but ultimately, you have to talk to and about each other at a debate. how do you envision a harris-trump debate going? >> it will be interesting. you've got the prosecutor and the criminal obviously, right, and so donald trump's strategy is to play a different game from

everyone else. he's like the kid at the adult table. his entire strategy is lie and deny. doesn't matter what you say, his strategy is to lie and deny. what she has to do is stay on him. every lie he tries to deny, she has to corner him and make him answer for that thing. >> it sounds easy but it's not easy to do in realtime with that kind of pressure? >> not at all. he's a slippery individual. she as a former prosecutor knows how to deal with people like that, and that's what she'll do. >> we don't know what the rules will be for this debate, but we know what they were in the last debate. mics were muted when they were spot speaking. do you think we need a more free wheeling debate? some people argue it gives voters a broader sense of the two, and how they behave or is it just going to devolve into chaos. are you a fan of the muted mics? >> i am a fan of the muted mics. i think the major problem with

that last format was the fact that there was not an expectation by the public that moderators would simply ask questions and not respond to obvious lies and point them out. i mean, if donald trump had said to one of the moderators, you know, you've been convicted of plagiarism and are a russian agent, i think they would have corrected that. so i think that it gave this impression that what he was saying was passing for the truth because it wasn't being challenged. this won't happen again, either harris is going to correct it or it's going to be against the moderator. >> i have to ask you, michael, i said you were a former staffer to jeffreys and durbin, but you're still very plugged in to people at high levels of the democratic party. do they think donald trump will debate? >> they do because he's foolish enough to think he can win, and she'll crush him. >> all right. we're going to bring you back afterwards and see how that

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in california, a 42-year-old man is charged with starting a fast moving wildfire. the park fire in buke county exploded growing seven times bigger, covering 45,000 acres, and 3% contained. nbc's david noriega is following this story for us. i know we have late breaking updates. what can you tell us? >> chris, the butte county district attorney's office says they have an unidentified man in custody whom they say arrested after someone was witnessed pushing a car on fire into a gully. that is believed to have started this very fast growing barely contained fire that is threatening the city of chico. the city of chico, by the way is not a small town. it's a city of 100,000 people. the outer edge of the fire is only about a mile away from the eastern edge of the city. the authorities up there in butt

e county and neighbors counties say they are throwing everything at the fire. fire crews are on the way there to help, as far as the arson investigation into the beginning of the fire, the man was arrested by cal fire, arson investigators. we still don't know his name. he was seen after pushing this flaming car into a gully, he was seen walking from the scene, blending into the fire, and expected to be arraigned on monday morning. >> i spent time in chico, i have relatives there. there are dense population centers, and university chico state. keep on top of that. i know you will for us, david noriega, thank you. a big new development in an abortion rights case that garnered national attention. a judge just ruled that a texas woman's lawsuit can move forward after she was jailed and charged with murder after self-managing an abortion back in 2022. liselle gonzalez spent two nights in jail.

she's seeking a million dollars in damages. texas has one of the most restrictive abortion bans in the country. it outlaws the procedure with limited exceptions. to new york where the state's education department has made a decision to ban realistic active shooter drills in schools. now, these drills are done to prepare students for the ever present threat of a mass shooting. some new york lawmakers argue that the simulations do more harm than good. nbc's rehema ellis is following this for us. walk us through what's happening here. >> what's happening is that the state has responded to some parents and some students who said be prepared, yes, panicked, no. they gave one example of a 16-year-old who said in kindergarten she was locked in a closet for 20 minutes not knowing what was on the other side. she suffered mental stress behind that. she remembers to this day at 16 years old, back then she was only 5. >> she was traumatized. >> traumatized, she was. yes, be prepared. they will have about four active

drills. no simulations, no simulations of guns or props. no actors, no loud sounds and parents will be notified. >> so wait a minute, i'm looking at this, it looks real. >> it does look real. it felt very real for many children, who go home and share this with parents. what's going on. i do want them to know how to respond in the event of an emergency, how to move quickly. we've got to do it without scaring, so they say no more activity like this with people who look like the bad guy, if you will. with guns, with loud sounds going off in the school. frightening the children. and in being so frightened, can they also be prepared? that was the question. now, they hope that they will be because those kind of tactics to mimic an active shooter in process will no longer be allowed. but there will be drills.

but they just will not do this in a way that frightens the children. >> do we have a sense of what the drills will look like. here's what you do if we say these words. >> some of the drills will be done in other schools. they might talking about running. and so where do you hide, like this child was hiding in a closet. if you have an opportunity to run, where do you run, how do you run, many people talk about in terms of a fire drill. you don't set a fire in order to do a fire drill. do we have to simulate a gun going off in order to tell children how do you move through a school at a time of danger without panicking, in order to get yourself to a safe location. >> rehema ellis, thank you, always good to see you. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. our coverage continues with katy tur reports next. es with katy tur reports next

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. don't let anybody tell you who you are, kamala harris often says her mother told her. you tell them who you are. today the vice president is taking that advice, reintroducing herself to the american public as a prosecutor, a senator and now a vice president campaigning to be a president with a whole new message. >> in this election, we each face a question, what kind of country do we want to live in? there are some people who think we should be a country of chaos, of fear, of hate, but us, we choose something different.

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