good to be with you. i'm katy tur. don't let anybody tell you who you are, kamala harris often says her mother told her. you tell them who you are. today the vice president is taking that advice, reintroducing herself to the american public as a prosecutor, a senator and now a vice president campaigning to be a president with a whole new message. >> in this election, we each face a question, what kind of country do we want to live in? there are some people who think we should be a country of chaos, of fear, of hate, but us, we choose something different.

we choose freedom. ♪♪ ♪ freedom i can't move freedom freedom where are you because i need freedom too ♪ >> also choosing beyonce there. it's easy to underscore how different that ad is from anything we've seen in the past four years. the energy, the clarity, the people, and the positivity feels a whole lot like another ground swell this country experienced 16 years ago with another ground breaking candidate, you know who he is, that guy right there. the illusions are obviously there, but so far, though, the numbers, the polls aren't quite. a lot of that can change. it's still very early. again, the polling shows kamala harris, and the democratic party have work to do, among independents, self-identified moderates, persuadable voters, according to an nbc news analysis of the available data. the good news, though, for harris is that donald trump does poorly with those groups. the potentially even better news is that unlike donald trump,

harris is getting a fresh chance at a first impression. joining us, garrett haake and "politico" white house reporter and coauthor of "politico's" west wing playbook news letter. eli stokel, that ground swell, campaign cash pouring in, everything we're seeing on social media, how quickly can the campaign starting to deploy all of that money? >> it's going to take a little while. you're right, she is right now benefitting from a real honeymoon, the sense of euphoria across the democratic party, a party that's really been in the doldrums for the last month. now that they have a fresh ticket, a different nominee. i was struck by just the bee roll in the video the campaign put out, the shout, the chants of kamala, the video, huge crowds. the president himself never had those crowds, never had that kind of enthusiasm that they are

capturing. they are certainly enjoying a lot of positive, free publicity, earned media, as we call it right now. they are getting out spent by the trump campaign on the air waves by like 25 to 1 right now. so it's going to take a few days or perhaps longer for the now harris campaign to really put all of that money on the air to figure out what the message is going to be, and how they're going to distill that video, which is over a minute long, into a 30-second ad. what messages are they going to highlight. how are they going to sharpen that further, and they are going to have to do that as the campaign changes. a guy who was making all of the decisions about president biden's ads, he's not doing that anymore, and so they are going to have to figure out also who is going to make these new tv ads what they're going to say, and get them on the air. this is a moment right now, of real enthusiasm for vice president harris, at least among the democratic party, the polls show she has a lot of room to

grow and is improving on the president standing with independent voters and the democratic base. they feel like the vibes are good, the trend is moving in the right direction finally, and now they have a lot more resources on hand, and they're going to capitalize. >> it takes time to edit pieces together. takes time to clarify the message, it takes time then to buy the campaign ad space online, and obviously in tv markets. it's going to take a few days at least. let me ask you about the campaign apparatus. she's inherited the campaign team and the apparatus that comes along with it. this is something that was built for an 81-year-old man. wasn't barn storming the country. this is now a 59-year-old woman who can barn storm the country, eli. can the apparatus move as quickly as she can? can they get her out on the road and into as many venues and as many states as possible given what they were currently or before this set up for? >> i think so. i mean, that's, you know, these

events don't take more than a few days to set up. i think in many ways, they have shown they can adapt. on sunday after the president made this announcement that surprised nearly everyone on the campaign staff, they, you know, we reported on how they just immediately went to work, drawing up logos, figuring out the legal ramifications of sending out fundraising pitches, making sure the money went to vice president harris, and this campaign, and working out all of these things. relaunching social media, figuring out the schedule, writing new talking points, they have been really doing these things for days, and we have already seen her out there. we're seeing this video a few days later. she's given speeches the last three days. she's already getting out there. i think she can do it, and she's inheriting what is certainly a turnkey operation, a fully formed campaign with operatives on the ground, a lot of organization in the swing states already. she is going to be able to amplify the message and take advantage of the organization in a way that perhaps 81-year-old

president biden could not. but also, the fact that this campaign has already been built will enable her to run what is really just a 100-day campaign. it's so interesting, garrett, donald trump is in a position he has not been in before, where suddenly he's struggling to get the attention and to dominate the air waves, the social media waves as well. how does the campaign feel about that right now? what's going on behind the scenes? >> you know, katy, it's fascinating, when you consider the run that donald trump has had over the last month with two really favorable court rulings, including one from the supreme court, the debate, collapse of the biden campaign. his convention, surviving an assassin's bullet. donald trump has had almost complete control over the kind of coverage, the narrative, every moment in this race. now he's in the backseat. it is not a position he's particularly comfortable with. you can see it in the social media posts, the tone becoming more angry, aggressive, lashing out. you could see it on the stage in

his event last night in north carolina where he joked but was actually being quite serious about the idea, he's dropping the nice approach that he's tried ever so briefly to adopt during his convention. i think this is when, you know, if you're trump's campaign, it could be a struggle sometimes to keep him on message and to keep him focused. i think in a long campaign, republicans that i've talked to believe kamala harris has a ton of vulnerabilities and there's plenty of time to tire of joe biden or drag down her favorable numbers. donald trump is very good at running that kind of campaign. as eli pointed out, this is not a long campaign, and pulling the spotlight back when you have already had your convention, rolled out your vp, and the other team, the harris team in this case has control of the big set pieces for a little while can be very very challenging for trump world. >> it's not a long campaign. early voting starts in september for some states. i think november or september 20th, the earliest among them, that includes minnesota, there's not all that much time. is there any regret within the

trump team about j.d. vance? i have been hearing rumors about that. is there truth to that? >> i think that reporting is a bit over done at this point. i don't think there's any regret in trump world specifically. there may be regret among republicans who wants someone else before and still want someone else now, but the trump team knew full well they were likely to be in a position like this, that it was entirely possible that joe biden would no longer possibly be at the top of the ticket when they made the decision to pick j.d. vance, and they knew he was the least tested of the people they were seriously considering. that said, demographically, he fits the way they want him to fit, and donald trump himself has said he thinks he's doing a fantastic job. i think how hard vance fights through the first couple of weeks, he's going to be the subject of more negative attention than he has had in his political career will be telling. donald trump likes to see people fight for themselves, and fight for him. and i think as long as that's the perception of how vance is doing, he'll retain the

confidence of donald trump, and his inner circle and that's ultimately what matters in terms of, you know, the questions about whether he stays on the ticket or has lost confidence. if trump believes in him, he's not going anywhere. >> another interesting thing about what we're experiencing now is that donald trump who had so dominated social media now for eight years, understood twitter like no other candidate, and has been out there, memes and viral videos for such a long time is being challenged online by this -- and i'm going to use the word ground swell of organic support, by meme armies, if you will, but this time, using kamala harris in a positive way. i'm going to play some of what we've found. >> if i do debate president trump, i'm sure it will be a competitive face-off where either one of us could end up on top. >> win? >> no, i'd wipe the floor with him. >> you think --

♪♪ >> i wish we were having this conversation eight years ago. i feel like we would have been better suited the three of us to better address it when we were young and cool. we're all about the same age. garrett, i think you're the youngest. i'll give this to you, does it make a difference? >> the very early polling we have seen so far, doesn't appear to be making a difference yet. kamala harris has been the de facto nominee for what, 36 hours, 48 hours, we'll see how far this goes. that said as you pointed out, it does seem to be dominating the discussion in a way that joe biden, even in the hay day of the dark branded memes never did. i was having this conversation with my wife who's younger than the three of us earlier today and she was telling me how her algorithm on social media is absolutely filled with this kind of content, and by the way, with content going after j.d. vance for his comments about women and childless women and cat ladies.

i mean, the battleship seems to be turning in the online and social media space. again, whether it turns far enough or fast enough to make a substantiative difference in this race, i think it's too early to say. >> you're the youngest, but garrett, i think you have the most gray, i'll give you that. two kids, it will do it to you. >> you're telling me. >> thank you very much, garrett. eli, thank you as well. joining us now, former california senator barbara boxer whose senate seat kamala harris won in 2006 after senator boxer retired, and former chief strategist for the bush/cheney campaign, and nbc contributor, matthew dowd. i want to play what we saw from kamala harris back when she was a senator. this is why she was propelled to make a run for the white house initially back during the 2020 race. here she is doing some grilling of a potential supreme court justice. >> can you think of any laws that give government the power to make decisions about the male

body? >> i'm happy to answer a more specific question. >> male versus female. >> there are medical procedures. >> that the government has the power to make a decision about a man's body. >> i thought you were asking about medical procedures that are unique to men. >> i'll repeat the question. can you think of any laws that give the government the power to make decisions about the male body? >> i'm not thinking of any right now, senator. >> so that was justice kavanaugh was confirmed after that, and then he was one of the ones who voted to overturn roe v. wade. this is her talking to him about abortion. she's going to be running on abortion, senator. how effective can she be? >> that will be one of her issues. it's not the only issue, but you could see her prosecuting the case in such a smart way.

instead of making the big fight about a woman's right to choose, she says to him, do you treat men the same way, and that's the way you win over swaths of the american people. it's so unfair. and i just have to say, she's been in this fight now for four days. this woman is used to making history. she made history as d.a. when she got elected, right. she made history for attorney general when she got elected really tough to have a woman, let alone a woman of color win in california first, and then the first person of color to hold my senate seat at the time, and she can prosecute the case, and boy will she have material. >> they're going to go after her as a progressive californian, somebody who's out of touch with the rest of the country. how does she combat that, senator. >> first of all, she's been vice president for almost four years.

she's represented the whole country. second of all, i got the same thing when i ran. oh, you're too liberal, too short, to this. you vote this way, and i used to say, only two words, really, only two words. define me. and those two words are barbara boxer. now, she certainly can do the same thing because she's mainstream america. she's the hope, she's the opportunity, she's the american dream. and this guy wants to take us back. so it's mainstream, i think, versus extreme, them. i just think we are in a very good position. last point, i have been involved nor a long time with the democratic party, katy, as you know, is very very -- we run the gamut from left to right, and here's the deal, because of president biden's endorsement of kamala harris, and because of who she is, we are united and

that is remarkable. >> listen, you could have watched the address that benjamin netanyahu gave to congress yesterday, and you can see with your own eyes the diversity within the democratic party on opinions just from who was standing and clapping and who was not, who was there, who was not. the weaknesses, though, that kamala harris is going to have to overcome. we mentioned them at the top of this tour. she's not polling so well with independents quite yet. not with moderate voters, not as well as president biden was. and not with voters who are persuadable, matthew. what does she need to do to get those groups of voters, and what do you see her biggest challenge being? >> well, first, a slight tutorial for people on polling. a lot of people don't know how polls change and in what order they change in. what happens first in polls when you introduce a change in the environment is enthusiasm changes first, and that's already happened with her. you can see it by the number and

enthusiasm is fundamentally adjusted. the next thing that changes is favorability of the candidate. there's a "new york times" in the last 30 minutes that shows her favorability numbers have gone from net minus 19 to net minus 3 in two weeks. and the final thing that changes is ballot, and i think what she's at such a unique position now because she enters the race at a point in time where donald trump is at his highest level. it's in the after math of the republican convention, and the after math of biden's debate performance and in the after math of an attempted assassination. it's donald trump's highest moment, and as of right now, donald trump at his highest moment leads her by one point. >> the question that's been nagging me, and i wonder this, maybe we'll find out in november. do campaigns need to be as long as they have been? we've had these two year campaigns. is it going to be an advantage for her to not have so much time

for people to get tired of her message, to get tired of the freedom song, to get tired of the memes, not so much to stumble. is the lack of extended exposure a good thing, matthew? >> yes, i think it's absolutely a good thing. tired of politics, tired of the constant conversation. tired of political ads. in 2004 when i was doing the bush campaign, we discovered at the end of the campaign, political advertising has little effect because it washes over people, and they're tired of it. i know your previous conversation about her being outspent right now, it's the best point in time for her to be out spent. we're about to enter into the olympics. that's a block of time. most people do not want to watch political advertising during a patriotic olympics in the course of this. she comes out of the olympics, goes into a convention with a new vp, and then walks out of that with basically 75 days left

in the course of the campaign. so a short campaign with a new candidate who arrives on the scene, i think, i think it's actually the most perfect moment for her in this race for it to be short. and for the timing of it to exist, where it does in the summer heading into the fall. >> you're also making a good argument for taking a vacation for the next two weeks. matthew dowd. >> bingo. >> senator boxer -- that's going to be me -- thank you so much, i appreciate it. following prime minister benjamin netanyahu's defiant speech to congress, what happened when president biden met with him today? did they settle on when this war might come to an end? also, white house national security administration adviser, john kirby will lay out what he knows. the top attack line against the vice president has been immigration. what is kamala harris's record on the southern border. we've got reporting there. first, what vice president harris is doing to win over

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whole hasn't progressed enough for that. >> kamala is a strong woman. and she has knowledge, and i feel like she will be a strong candidate. she needs a strong running mate. >> swing state voters like those you just heard from in places like wisconsin and arizona and michigan are the ones kamala harris and whomever she chooses to be her running mate will need to convince before november. so who exactly is best suited to help, and what is the message swing state voters say they need to hear. joining us now, democratic senator, gary peters who represents the battle ground state of michigan, the great state of michigan, he's also the chair of the democratic senatorial campaign committee. you know michigan, you know michigan well. who is best suited to help kamala harris win michigan? >> she has a lot to pick from. it's a great thing kamala has.

a bench of strong democrats she's looking at. that's a good position to be in. i'll tell you one thing that's very important in michigan. that is the labor vote. we're a big union state, and a swing area for us. there are a lot of independents and unions. you can't just think they're going to vote democratic. you have to have a very strong argument that you are the best to fight for labor issues. you know, i grew up in a labor household, my mother was the union store for the siu, organized. my father was the uaw, we just had last year a big strike that the uaw had that garnered record wage increases and benefits. actually, you look at public opinion polls, labor is at the highest it's been since 1963. we need to seize that opportunity, and certainly folks in michigan, particularly folks in union households or know someone in a union household, they want a candidate who's

going to fight for the ability to collectively bargain, to raise wages and we know when unions do well, the entire country does well. in fact, i would argue that you can't have a strong and vibrant middle class unless you have a strong and vibrant union movement. you look at not just michigan but wisconsin and pennsylvania, that's an incredibly powerful message and issue, people want to know you're going to be a champion. >> you're doing a great preview for the segment later in the hour about union votes. president biden walked the picket line with the uaw last year when they were on strike and leading to the contract you just talked about with the negotiated increases. but the uaw hasn't yet endorsed kamala harris. what might they be holding out for, how does she reach them? she has been a point person on unions for the administration. she's been out there meeting with union leaders, meeting with union workers, she was in wisconsin meeting with apprentices, here in new york meeting with service unions. she's been out there. what are they waiting for? >> you'll have to ask them what

they're waiting for. i think they want to make sure they're having a conversation with her. she's coming off the fact that joe biden, without question, was the most pro union president we may have ever had, as you mentioned, he was out on the picket line. i was out on the picket lines as well. i talked to uaw members who were on the picket lines, and they really appreciated the fact that the president was out there. and he came out there being very authentic. it was about who he was, and ultimately, it's going to come down to a contrast. if you look at trump and j.d. vance, both of these guys are phoneys when it comes to standing up for working people. you know, donald trump, when he came in to do his union event. when joe biden was walking the picket line, trump did an event and he was at a nonunion shop, saying he was for labor. people fought through that. j.d. vance claims he's a guy from the midwest with working people. for him, it's just a photo op. he has not lifted his finger, any way to help working people

or to help folks in unions and in labor. people will see through that. kamala, i'm confident will be able to breakthrough that. she's a very authentic person. high energy. she cares deeply about people. i know her well. she was our seat mate in the senate. i got to know her as a friend, and more importantly, saw her passion, her energy, and how much she cares about folks that she's really blessed to be able to represent. she's going to do an amazing job on the trail. she just has to be who she is. she can never forget that message of standing up for working people, and how important organized labor and unions are. that will pay off well. >> i'm going to jump the gun and take something i was going to use later, and i'll use it with you. there is an analysis in the "new york times" about some harvard research that shows that the complaints from white working class voters, they feel like they have been left behind, others have been skipping heading are grounded in some fact. the harvard researchers analyze

census and tax records covering 57 million children to look at people's ability to rise to the middle and upper classes, their mobility over two recent generations. it had improved among black people and deteriorating among poor white people. this is what donald trump and j.d. vance have been trying to seize on, frustration, anger, resentment, and j.d. vance living in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. you made your case about why j.d. vance is a bad messenger for that. kamala harris would do well to park herself in the states as well. who does she need by her side. she has a lot of great options but do you have somebody in mind in particular because gretchen whitmer can deliver the state of michigan. who's best able to talk to voters in those three states? >> certainly our governor is great. she's been clear -- >> she's still being vetted

according to nbc news reporting. >> that's great. that is great. but, you know, we have a number of folks who are going to be good. this is really an intensely personal decision for kamala. it's got to be someone she trusts, someone she knows is going to fight. whoever the vp candidate is, they're going to have to be out there fighting, expose the weaknesses of trump and j.d. vance, and particularly take j.d. vance to task, because he keeps claiming he's a mid western guy despite the fact he's never lifted a finger to help folks and, i'll go back to the labor argument, why people are falling back, especially middle class. it's directly correlated to union membership, as union membership has gone down over the years, it's correlated to a middle class that shrinks. who were the tax cuts for? the billionaires the rich got huge tax cuts, and every day folks got a pittance.

as unions lose their power, they can't organize, they don't have the power because there aren't enough of them out there, you have a problem. when unions have a big contract, the uaw won this big contract which was great, what you find is that other companies also start raising wages. when a union is successful, everybody is successful in that economy, and you have a middle class. so when you have candidates who are against things like the ability to collectively bargain, you don't see j.d. vance supporting the proact, which is incredibly important to unions. you don't see trump supporting the pro act. these kinds of things are going to be incredibly important, to help middle class folks bargain for better wages, better benefits, and to retire with dignity. those are hard fought victories. my mama organized that workplace. she said nothing worth having is available to you unless you

fight for it, and she went out there and fought for it. had workers fighting. she was in a nursing home. these are nurses aides that are over worked, under appreciated, under paid, but when they came together collectively and were in a union. they all saw a pay raise, and we saw other nursing homes in the area raised wages for their workers too, maybe we should treat our workers better. a strong labor movement, unions help the entire middle class, and that's something we can do in government. make sure they have the tools where people can come together and collectively bargain and win the drives. >> clear majority of americans supported with labor unions on the picket line. a clear majority of americans, and led to a host of wins for labor unions. in terms of the numbers and the wages being lifted in industries that are not unionized because some unions end up lifting wages. the numbers do support that. senator gary peters, thank you so much for joining me. i appreciate it. coming up, a day after his

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defiant speech to congress yesterday, and president biden's decision not to run for reelection on sunday. so how did the conversation go? joining us now, white house national security communications adviser john kirby. really good to have you. >> thanks. >> what can you tell us about this meeting? >> good meeting, very productive in terms of all the agenda items that they had to talk about. first among them was this hostage deal, making sure that we get this over the finish line. i won't detail everything that was said, but i can assure you that president biden made it very clear for mr. netanyahu that now is the time. we're close enough, the gaps are narrow enough that with some compromise and some leadership, we should be able to get this hostage deal in place. >> there are a lot hostage families that have been speaking to us. andrea mitchell interviewed one of them today or the other day who are furious that benjamin netanyahu is here. furious that he's not back in israel negotiating to get these hostages home, and they want

president biden to step in and do more. is there anything the president said to benjamin netanyahu to force his hand on making this deal. >> the president was very clear, as he has been, but certainly today, we find mr. netanyahu that we've got to get this deal over the finish line. this is a deal, i would remind folks that actually started as an israeli proposal and we have been able to narrow the gaps in the last week since the end of may when the president first announced this proposal, but we still have some details that have to be worked out, and the president's message to the prime minister today was let's get this done. let's silt down at the table and finalize this. put families out of their anguish, 294 days. >> when you say he was very clear, can you give me a little bit more there? what does it mean for him to be very clear. is that him saying do this or we might pull some of our support, our funding. what does very clear mean?

>> this wasn't about making threats or anything of that nature, katy. this was, again, t shepherd this proposal as far as we've gotten, makg it. we've got to get it over the hump here, and get it in place. and urging prime minister netanyahu to urge his negotiating team as they get set to go back to the table to do it in a way that can actually achieve that outcome. >> there might be critics out there who say benjamin netanyahu doesn't need to listen to president biden right now because he's only got a few more months in office. it's a lame duck presidency, they will say. he might feel incentivized to wait it out to see if donald trump wins again, and maybe he can get better -- have a better relationship, better terms for israel with donald trump. what do you say to those people. >> that's not the tone of the conversations we've had today, the tone of the conversations in the past, and we don't anticipate it will be the tone going forward. the prime minister himself has

said he wants to get this deal. it is an israeli deal to begin with. the prime minister has said that he wants to find a way to end the war. now, he talked about yesterday, and how he defines that, i understand it. but he said that for himself. and he certainly has heard from the israeli people, he certainly has heard from hostage families how much they want to see this deal in place as well. so if there's some sort of change in tone because of the president's announcement over the weekend, we sure haven't seen it here. >> what's the situation at the northern border right now. how hairy is it with lebanon? >> it's tense. that's the blue line we talk about. that line between lebanon and israel, up there in the north. very very tense, katy, as you know, as well as me, rockets continue to fly from both sides here, families are afraid to go back to their homes along that blue line. both israeli and lebanese families, and we're working very hard diplomatically to see what we can do to deescalate the tensions, prevent it from

becoming a second front in the war, and find ways to get the families back in their homes where they belong. >> the israelis recovered a number of hostage bodies, they announced that this morning. do you have a sense of how many hostages are still alive and whether the americans that are still being held hostage are alive? >> well, we don't know the full number of hostages that are no longer alive, and with each passing day, now, to 93, the chances that more will succumb to death and illness, just increases. which is why there's a sense of urgency to get them home. as for the americans, we know of eight that we believe are being held hostage by hamas. we know for sure that three of them are no longer with us. but they are still being held hostage by hamas, and they still deserve to be returned to their families. the fate of the other five is not entirely clear, although we have no reason to suspect that the remaining five are not alive and not still with us. >> iran, last -- or yesterday

when president or prime minister benjamin netanyahu was speaking to congress, he talked about the american protests and insinuated that they're being funded by iran. what is the intelligence on that? >> it's not an insinuation. it's a fact. we know in the director of national intelligence made this public a couple of weeks ago. we know that iran is trying to sow discord here at home, and one of the ways they're trying to do that is supporting, encouraging and funding some of this protest activity here in the united states. i want to be clear that we don't believe that that accounts for the vast majority of protesters or protest activity across the country. we know it's very much largely organic and representative of strong feelings by americans and people in this country. and we respect that. that's democracy, peaceful protests should be allowed and we have no reason to suspect that iran is behind the great majority of it. >> john kirby, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. and vice president kamala harris just spoke a moment ago at joins base andrews.

she also addressed questions about whether she will debate donald trump. here's what she said. >> i'm ready to debate donald trump. i have agreed to the previously agreed upon september 10th debate. he agreed to that previously. now it appears he's back peddling, but i'm ready, and i think the voters deserve to see the split screen that exists in this race on a debate stage, and so i'm ready. let's go. >> she says she will do the september debate. remember, that was the original second debate between president biden and donald trump. done by abc. donald trump had said he wanted more debates, and denigrated abc, asking for a debate to be held on fox news. all right. coming up, kamala harris gets another union endorsement. what they're saying she'll do for american workers, and which union it is. plus, what that means for support in swing states. >> and her handling of the border crisis has generated a

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i've asked the vp here today because she's the most qualified person to do it, to lead our efforts with mexico and the northern triangle, and the countries that we're going to need help in stemming the

movement of so many folks stemming the migration to our southern border. >> that is what president biden tasked vp harris with doing back in 2020 regarding the border. not to secure it but to address the underlying roots of migration. what republicans heard, though, was president biden was naming her the border czar, and they have since named her for the problems down there. a resolution to condemn for for her failure to secure the united states border. joining us now, homeland security correspondent julia ainsley. what did she and did she not do regarding the border? >> katy, kamala harris herself really defined her own role in that same announcement saying she wanted to be a diplomatic arm of the u.s. to go to mexico and work with mexico and central american countries to invest in their economies and try to address the root causes, which

at the time were violence, gender-based violence, bad economies, in some cases, climate change, driving famine in three countries, guatemala, honduras, and el salvador. things have changed since 2021, and there are people from the middle east and africa arriving at the border. that aside, if you look at just what she did in central america, we tried to take a very sober, independent view of her report card on this issue, and she was for the first few months very engaged. she went to mexico. they signed a memorandum of understanding, so mexico and the u.s. would invest in central america and those three countries. she was able to secure over $5 billion from private/public partnerships in the u.s. to be invested in those economies. the president of mexico has said that private investment doesn't go far enough. all of that help is really too slow to trigger a lot of

economic impact in those countries and it's called on the u.s. to make more commitments. there have not been new financial commitments since that memorandum of understanding. and also since then, harris has dropped off the public face of this issue entirely. she did one more trip in july of 2022 to honduras when the president was inaugurated. she has done a couple of calls. one in march of this year with the guatemalan president. other than that she really hasn't down much more to secure more funding on this issue, to try to push for more promises or to really interact with those countries in any kind of public-facing way. a lot of experts we're speaking to is this just wasn't her primary issue at the end of the day. >> julia ainsley, thank you very much. and still ahead, kamala harris gets another endorsement from a union. what group just threw its full support behind the vp? the vp? when you shop all the brands your pet loves. with selection for any pet, with any diet, chewy has a taste for every tummy. all right at your fingertips.

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including the aflcio. so far, she's gotten support from the heads of roughly 20 million union workers, but there are still notable holdouts, including the united auto workers. joining us now is national affairs correspondent for the nation john nichols. if president biden marched alongside the uaw, he joined the picketline, first president to ever to so, the most pro union president of all time. why would there be hesitation from some unions about his vice president? >> i don't know that there's hesitation. some unions have different processes. what i can tell you is as someone who covered the uaw a lot and interviewed shawn payne, he would personally like to go and debate donald trump. so i have very little doubt where the uaw will end up. there are some other unions where there's much more debate

how they will sort this out and where they will come. by and large, you're going to see a remarkably united labor movement supporting kamala harris. you're seeing some big endorsement thes happening now. the labors international union of north america, which is a very, very big union, gave its endorsement. they are a construction trade union, but they are also a union with a very large public sector component as well. they work in a lot of cities and do a lot of services. when you start to add this up, you're getting the unions a candidate who wants to not only have a list of union endorsements, but also wants to have people working on the ground for them and many of these unions are quite good at that. >> the news today from "the new york times" regarding research showing there's some merit to this idea from white working class voters that they have been left behind. this anger that's building, it's

part of the reason why donald trump was elected, it's part of the explainer for how he was able to speak to those voters. you have the research right there. this is who donald trump and jd vance are trying to speak to. some are union workers. people who feel like they have been left behind in states like michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. that's why they say they want to park jd vance there. how does kamala harris speak to those people when those people say democrats have left them behind and they cite things like nafta? >> sure. i think that kamala harris and whoever her running mate is are going to have to talk a lot about a new vision of trade. and remember, this country is always going to trade with other countries. the question is will that trade be fair in a way that benefits communiies, workers, the environment, democracy itself. that's a big deal.

the democrats really fell down on that during the clinton years. they got a little better during the obama years, buts there's simply no question that that has to be a part of her stump speech. the other thing to remember that kamala harris is actually somebody who has been to these states, who has been there talking to labor unions and talking to working class folks. i will remind you that her record working with unions is going to help her a lot in this area. >> john nichols, thank you so much as always. thank you for being a go-to to translate this issue. we appreciate it. that's going to do it for me this hour. "deadline: white house" will be with you in just a minute after a short break. a minute after a short break. (vo) you've had thyroid eye disease for a long time. and you've lived with the damage it caused.

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