hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. take one supremely qualified elected leader, throw in a positive and optimistic message about the future, some popular

policy achievements and ideas for the future, a dash of beyonce, and what do you get? a rousing start to a presidential campaign against a aud democrat and convicted felon with a doom and gloom earth 2 vision of the country he seeks to lead. vice president kamala harris is out with her first campaign video stressing the battle for democracy and freedom that lies ahead and the stark contrast with donald trump. take a listen. >> in this election, we each face a question. what kind of country do we want to live in. there are some people who think we should be a country of chaos, of fear, of hate. but us, we choose something different. we choose freedom.

the freedom not just to get by, but get ahead. the freedom to be safe from gun violence. the freedom to make decisions about your own body. we choose a future where no child lives in poverty. where we can all afford health care, where no one can above the law. we believe in the promise of america and we are ready to fight for it. because when we fight, we win. so join us. >> it's a fitting quota to joe biden's address to the nation explaining his decision to end his run for a second term. here's a bit. >> i decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to a new generation. it's the best way to unite our nation. there's a time and place for long years of experience in public life. there's also a time and place for new voices.

fresh voices, yes, younger voices. that time and place is now. >> that time and place is now. having galvanized the democratic base and sent the trump team scrambling in search of something, anything effective with which to attack kamala harris, the president's anointed successor kamala harris has been taking a message grounded in this idea of freedom and a fight for the future and the rule of law to the the campaign trail with four events in four states in four days. her latest appearance, a speech to the american federation of teachers, where she said the ex-president would return america to a dark past. watch that. >> in this moment across our nation, we witness a full-on attack on hard won, hard fought freedoms, while you teach students about democracy and

representative government, extremists attack the sacred freedom to vote. while you try to create safe and welcoming places where our children can learn, extremists attack our freedom to live safe from gun violence. they have the nerve to tell teachers to strap on a gun in the classroom. while they refuse to pass common sense gun safety laws. and while you teach students about our nation's past, these extremists attack the freedom to learn and acknowledge our nation's true and full history. including book bans. book bans in this year of our lord 2024.

and on these last two issues, just think about it. we want to ban assault weapons and they want to ban books. can you imagine? in this moment, we are in a fight for our most fundamental freedoms. to this room of leaders, i say, bring itten. bring it on. bring it on. >> president biden officially passing the torch to vice president kamala harris in a campaign that sees the presidential election as a battle for freedom and the future is where we start today. former u.s. senator host of msnbc how to win 2024 podcast claire mccaskill is back. also joining us is columnist charlie sykes is here. and political analyst and senior

opinion writer and columnist for "the boston globe" kim ekenstore is back. she has grabbed these two pillars in terms of branding these early days of her candidacy. they are freedom and future. she is, i think the most disciplined candidate i have ever watched. she's got her crowds chanting spontaneously the "we won't go back." this is a stellar start. >> yes, to say she was ready is an understatement. i think people for way too long, and we have talked about this before, for way too long undermined kamala harris in ways i never really quite understood. as somebody who knows her well and worked alongside of her in the united states senate,

frankly, one of the things i find most fun about this is the struggle the republicans are having. the things they are pointing out as negatives. the online community is taking and turning into a positive. like laughter. i think our country is ready for joy instead of grievance. we are ready for lightness instead of dark. we are ready for all of the things she's bringing to this campaign. you're right, this organic chant, i don't think -- maybe people remember that all fired up, ready to was organic. that happened organically in the obama campaign. i was fascinated by "we won't go back" which happened organically in her first speech as a candidate. i predict we won't go back will, in fact, be the chant that sticks around from now until the first tuesday in november. >> charlie sykes, let me show you more of herment hammering this future vs. past message.

this is from her speech today. >> today, we face a choice between two very different visions of our nation. one focused on the future and the other focused on the past. and we are fighting for the future. and in our vision of the future, we see a place where every person has the opportunity not just to get by, but to get ahead. a future where no child has to grow up in poverty. where every senior can retire with dignity. >> pretty clear what this campaign is about. >> it's really dramatic.

this is going to be a tough campaign because you still have a lot of head winds here, but i have been thinking all day long where we were one week ago right now sitting in milwaukee. what the mood among republicans was and what the mood among democrats was. and it feels like the entire political world has been turned on its head because what you're seeing is the shift in the entire focus of this race to what kind of a future are we going to have. in a way that frankly joe biden wasn't going to be able to do that. he wasn't going to bring that energy. you weren't going to see this kind of enthusiasm. and this passing of the torch has been close to seamless, which again, was not necessarily inevitable a weak ago. so a week ago we were thinking what is this election going to be like? could it be a republican blowout? and today, i don't think there's any precedent for the kind of quick start enthusiasm we're seeing now, but think about the

election in 19d 60. john f. kennedy, 1992, bill clinton, talking about change, think about 2008 when barack obama was the voice of change. this feels far more like that now than at any time in this campaign. so the campaign we were all gurding for and dreading has now been utterly and completely transformed. i'm not down playing the challenges and what the republicans will do to try to define kamala harris, but the fact that -- don't also the sleep on the fact that she's given four big speeches in four days. the energy that she's bringing to this, and the organic enthusiasm, i'm always the trying to balance out what's hype and what's real. this is pretty extraordinary what you're seeing on the ground. and in social media. >> it's all very real. i think there has been a hunger since 2016 to see the fight

brought to donald trump in exactly this manner. to move as love is light torks move into the light and have the fight there is exactly where the fight needs to be waged, and the polls already reflect what charlie is art ticlating. let me show you what the "new york times" poll has today. among likely voters and this is july 22nd through the 24th, this is all post convention, donald trump is at 48. kamala harris is at 47%. it's just an extraordinary move from june 28th to july 2nd where trump was at 49. he's gone down a point after his convention and after the events of the weekend in pennsylvania. and kamala harris is up ahead 4

points of where president biden was. talk about this reset, which is palpable, reportable, and visible in the polls. >> yeah, those polls are reflecting a lot of things. not only just the past of anxiety and angst that gripped democrats right after the debate, but also in the time that the voters have had to get to know and focus on kamala harris. they are realizing she's a candidate that really in so many ways, her message is perfect for this moment. democrats have been focused on reproductive rights since dobbs was overturned. that has been probably the greatest issue driving the elections since that decision. they also hear about climate. they have somebody who put that in the center of her political message since the time she was a

district attorney. and then they have someone who cares very much about other rights of people. we have a supreme court that not only attack reproductive right, but is eyeing other rights for lgbtq folks and kamala harris was marrying people in california while barack obama was talking about civil unions. she has a long track record on the very issues that are driving the electorate. you have the enthusiasm, which is important. people will activate when they see enthusiasm around a candidate. it really blunts this idea that some people are like, oh, america is not ready for a woman. they are not ready for a black woman. i think this is showing that america can be. if you just have the enthusiasm and the support of that candidate behind them. i think that can allow democrats to turn that important corner from 2016 or even 2020 during the primary when i still heard a

lot of democrats worrying that even though they liked kamala harris or elizabeth warren, they are worried other people wouldn't vote for them. if you support her and vote for her, she will win. >> isn't the answer to all those questions america isn't ready for a felon and an insurrectionist and a sexual abuser? i feel like that question is gone in so many ways. the question is erased by the regret and the remorse about 2016. the question is erased. by the stellar conduct of this vice president as vice president, as joe biden's partner on the campaign trail during those four weeks that were excruciating for everyone inside the pro democracy coalition. but also by everyone that looks over at the other choice. that party chose, that party opted for a convicted felon. that party opted for someone as recently as last year in a sworn

deposition whose position is still when you're famous, you can grab women between the legs because that's what famous have been doing for 1 million years. i'm not sure how he knows that. who has also been charged with feloies regarding the mishandling of secrets and the inciting of a deadly insurrection. are we ready? i don't know that question is posed to when the other choice is america's first convicted felon and adjudicated sexual abuser. >> i think you're absolutely right. i know there are a lot of folks who would say they vote for a rock over someone who, as you just described, donald trump. but i think one thing that's driving the enthusiasm around kamala harris is the fact that she presents that contrast so clearly.

the contrast between the future and the past where we have been. people are remembering, some with ptsd, the trump administration, the bungling of the covid response and the economic problems and the hate and just the vengeance and just terrible feeling of that era. they are seeing this hopefulness. plus she's a prosecutor. as you point out, who better to prosecute the case against donald trump, especially since he has been in many ways, held to be above the law, whether it's from the inability of a supreme court to allow him to be prosecuted for crimes he consulted to the way that he has attacked people, who has been holding him accountable. that's one thing that's making america ready. they have seen folks like fani willis, like letitia james, like alvin bragg actually have some accountability. now you have another prosecutor, who happens to be a woman of color. those are the folks that have

been getting this job done. what better o'point for donald trump to face in november. >> it is all future looking. it is wrapped in this message about fighting for freedom, but it isn't precious. let me share this perfect troll of donald trump's appearance on fox and friends. the harris campaign statement. after watching fox news this morning, we only have one question. is donald trump okay? he praised project 2025, he's flustered and lashing out. when he isn't lying, he's making threats. he's praising deck taters because he wants to be one. worried he made the wrong pick in jd vance, old and weird, this guy shouldn't ever be president again. if anyone wants ab alternative, kamala harris is offering one. it is certainly firing on all those sillen engineers and offering this positive message the for the future, making a

very sharp contrast, as kim said, but not neglecting the ever important getting under the skin of one's opponent. >> she's not afraid to do that. kamala harris is confident enough to be loose. by that i mean, she'll throw some punches. she's not afraid to throw punches. i watched her in hearings when she would -- she knew how to make a point and would not let the witness up until the point was made. she did it very, very effectively. she's going to be able to do that with this guy. and now he is the old guy who can't finish a sentence. he can't escape that. that is now sered into the hard drive of every swing voter in america. so they are going to come after her. but i got to tell you, they have a couple problems. one of the things is this extremism.

most swing voters don't like extremism. they voted for both parties. they are not consuming politics 24/7 like we are. they are not checking in constantly. they get broad beams. and this jd vance, not 20 years ago, not when he was in college, just in the last fews months as a united states senator, he voted against protecting ivf. he voted against protecting contraception, birth control. and maybe the most telling vote of all, only 28 senators voted with him, he voted to allow law enforcement to get the medical records of women in america. he thinks it's okay for the police to get medical records. that just is jaw dropping to most swing voters. not acceptable in america.

>> he's against donald trump in the ways we have been talking about sibs he was selected. he believes donald trump's is america's hitler. that's a quote. he's also expressed decades or years of disdain against donald trump's family. he thinks women should stay in marriages if they are unhappy and violent. the top of the ticket has a modern family, the likes of which jd vance doesn't seem to approve of. he's sort of a cultural scold on a ticket with donald trump. >> he is a cultural scold, but as you read about some of the votes that jd vance has taken, the comments he's made, it did cross my mind. did donald trump vet this guy or were they just thinking, hey, i like the cut of his jib. i'm going to go with him. because clearly, there's a real

possibility he could be a liability here, particularly when women hear what he is saying. but can i talk about that poll for a moment? showing this race being close. just keep in mind the traditionally the week after a national the party convention, the nominee has a significant bump, maybe 8 to 10 points maybe that doesn't happen anymore, but think again where donald trump was one week ago today before he accepted. the good will that surrounded him after the assassination, then the really unifying convention and names the vice president. he accepts the nomination. ing normal politics he would be flying high this week. the democrats would have their chance later. but there's no bump whatsoever. and then you also look at kamala harris. this comes after three years where let's be honest most voters haven't been paying

attention to what she's doing. they really don't know her. and she's been underestimated in the political world, in the media, even among fellow democrats. one of the things that shaped this moment were a lot of democrats that we have to stick with biden because kamala would be too risk yp. now she's come out in this very effective way. so you set aside the poll today, because i think things are so fluid, but the fact that she's doing well under these circumstances really shouldn't be overlooked. >> it's such an important point. this is him potentially at sort of a political apex with the most favorable events and the light and attention. animate the base and it is we

don't always focus on the polls, but this is an important moment in the race. thank you for underscoring that. when we come back, as we told you, vice president kamala harris gave her first big pitch to union workers as a 2024 presidential candidate. it was before the powerful teachers union, one of the first big groups to endorse her. the union's president joins us next on the vice president's message to those 1.8 million teachers in our country. plus andrew weisman is back to talk about the harris campaign's message that the prosecutor versus the felon. later in the broadcast, the very weird, weird views of the republican ticket, their thoughts on child rearing, voting and wind. all those stories and more when "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. eak. don't go anywhere. but who has the time to clean? that's why i love my swiffer wetjet. it's a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside.

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president of the united states of america. >> that was vice president kamala harris today speaking to america's largest teachers union in houston, texas,. that enthusiasm just leaps out, that organic joy has now become a consistent element of each event of the vice president's campaign so far as she and her party are seeing every corner of the coalition needed to elect her come out in full force to endorse her. the audience she was speaking to today, the american federation of teachers, was the first major union to endorse the vice president's bid for the white house. joining our conversation, the president of the american federation of teachers, randy whinegarten. claire is here as well. when i found out you were going to be here today, i was so excited. i thought about our conversations have tracked the

country's journey. we started talking almost daily during the pandemic about the tragedy and about the loss and about the grief and about being strong for our kids and about worrying about teachers being saved. it wasn't just kids missing class, and then i thought about thaul that you faced. having a modern family. everything is right here in front of us. and i wonder what you think about the state of the race and this fourth day of vice president kamala harris's run for the presidency. >> so first, it has been so wonderful to see you back and see you on and see you glowing. so let me just say that. the arc -- this is what i have seen in the last few days. it's like a revival meeting.

and it's not that people don't respect or love joe biden and respect what this administration has done. you can see i don't have a voice anymore. but there's a sense of joy with the fight. not just we have to fight the bad stuff, but now we have to fight for this vision. and she's become this fight for imagining a future of freedom and opportunity based upon what the biden/harris administration has done already and fighting the darkness and the bleakness and the lies and the disinformation and the smears of donald trump and his party. so what i saw this week. we had our convention.

in texas yet, we brought all these folks down. we weren't going to boycott texas. and i saw this electricity just grow to you saw it in the hall in a sense of we are going to fight for our future. and a future for all. and that's what teachers and nurses do all the time any way, but electric. >> i want to show more of it. let me just play a little bit more about what you're talking about. about the fight for the future. >> you may not be a union member, but you should thank unions, and i'm looking to the cameras in the back of the room, not them. people who might be watching. but thank unions for the five-day workweek. for the eight-hour workday.

thank unions for sick leave and paid family leave and vacation time. because the fact is unions helped build america's middle clasp. and when unions are strong, america is strong. >> she is so fluent in sort of the language of freedom and strength and the future. sort of the degree that any of the study of american political science is still relevant. those the really are the touchstones. she has seen them in such a remarkable and natural and seemingly effortless way. >> i think you're right about her fluency with it. it's real.

you saw when you replayed it some space in between. and that with the roar of the crowd. the roar of the crowd stopped her from being able to finish her line to line to line. but i think what she does as well, and you said this in terms of the first question to me because you watched that journey that i have gone on. it is fear vs. hope. it is banning books versus banning assault weapons. it is this vilifying and relentless attempt the to put us in a crouch position that we would question ourselves as opposed to imagining a future where all americans, all families had a better life. and so i think the fluency here is not just in being able to paint a picture that we're

entitled to a future of dignity and respect and freedom, but there's a real contrast between what donald trump has said in his darkness and his bleakness and his otherwising anybody who he doesn't believe is entitled. >> i would like to talk to you a little bit about the democrats and particularly the vice president's support of public schools and teachers compared with what the republicans have done to teachers over the last several years. frankly, if somebody would have told me the major political party would decide teachers were the enemy, i would say that's dumb. but that's what they have done. and i know some schools are struggling to fill their ranks of teachers because of what republicans have done in terms of making them somehow the

enemy, even though they are working for less than they should, doing more than they should have to to educate our kids. and i specifically would like you to address rural communities. i was born in a rural community. know in rural communities across america, there's basically two institutions. you hope there's a medical facility, a health care clinic and public schools. and the fact that jd vance, and the fact that donald trump have never, ever supported public schools and what they mean to, frankly, red america, do you see an opportunity here that your teachers can be on the front lineses explaining to people who live in rural america that it's kamala harris that has the back of the public school system and the teachers that make it work. >> so absolutely, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. so i think the example from

texas is so illustrative. let me just take a step back and say the aft is not the old. we are 1.8 million members. we grew about 85,000 members, about 185 new units. we have never grown this fast since our beginning. and we are in lots of pockets between health care. we are the fastest growing health care union. we're in lots of rural pockets. and this is what we see. if you take the politics out of this, which i know we can't, but if you do, look at texas. texas legislators actually stymied governor abbott five times on vouchers. what was the coalition? it was our union. it was pastors. it was republican rural lelgt

legislators. and because of exactly what you said, you have a post office maybe, you have a restaurant maybe, you have a school and hopefully you havement some kind of medical care. and that becomes the ab courts in rural communities. so when somebody attempts to take away that by just using all sorts of vouchers, that regular folks don't use any way, the voucher money is basically going to people who already send their kids to private schools. you are basically stripping a community of their community center. and so this is both pulling communiies apart, but the second thing it's doing, and i want to raise this as well. we have spent a lot of time talking about this. it's an attack on knowledge. it's an attack on critical thinking. it's an attack on relationship

building. what do we have to do for kids in the 21st century. we have to get them to be able to navigate their lives. to be able to build relationships. to be able to see context and critically think. so when you start bullying teachers and not letting them answer questions of kids or not letting them teach honest history or making the laws so vague they don't know they are walking on egg shells, you are actually attacking knowledge. and that is what i think is most venal about what's going on. teachers have never been paid what they should be. they should be paid a lot more. the schools have never been as good -- never had the conditions they should and in this climate issues, we really have to address all the climate and heat issues. but this issue of not being able to meet kids needs, that's most venal. the second is just stripping

schools of the moneys they need. >> there's so much more to talk about. we need to put you on the hook for a regular segment. it comes back to fear. the kids can't be served by any grown up who is in fear and in this ha you described. thank you for being here today. to be continued. up next for us, claire sticks around. andrew weisman joins us on the harris campaign's promise to high legitimate her history as a prosecutor against trump's legal woes. we'll check in with him about how it's landing. we'll check in with him about how it's landing i asked myself, why doesn't pilates exist in harlem? so i started my own studio. getting a brick and mortar in new york is not easy. chase ink has supported us from studio one to studio three. when you start small, you need some big help. and chase ink was that for me.

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wheeling, rambling, nonsensical 30 minutes of fox and friends this morning. within minutes, the harris campaign told the ex-president with an e-mail with the subject line statement on a 78-year-old criminal fox news appearance, as we showed you earlier, highlighting his criminality. if you needed anymore proof in an endorsement given to nbc news, former doj officials are backing vice president harris saying the fabric of the nation, the rule of law and the future of the democracy are at stake in this election. joining ours conversation, form top prosecutor at the department of justice and msnbc legal analyst andrew weisman is here. this letter just moved. let me taunt my glasses and read from it. former and current justice department employees believe that a future president harris, a former prosecutor unlike trump would respect the norms that have been in place to eninjury sure doj independence in the half century since watergate. those fears of another trump term are central to a new letter

endorsing harris signed by more than 40 former justice department officials, who served under presidents of both parties. they include former attorney general loretta lynch, former deputy attorneys general sally yates and john mccay, who was appointed as a top federal prosecutor in washington state during the biden administration among others. your thoughts. >> you and i talked about how donald trump is running as sort of the outlaw president. it's not just that he's been convicted, but he actually was found guilty by a jury of 34 felonies he also embraces the january 6th defendants including those who attacked law enforcement officers and talked about pardoning them.

he had peter navorro address the rnc, which is remarkable. he had paul manafort at the rnc. you have rudy giuliani there. this is somebody who in terms of everything he's saying and the people he vounds himself with is the an thit sis, the outlaw represents and has represented in her life and in her career. it's no surprise to me that you'd have former department of justice officials and frankly anybody who believes in the rule of law that certainly those people like me who committed a huge part of their life to the rule of law. seeing this as a really clear contrast regardless of what you think of their other policies. >> you go back to the arc of donald trump's obsession with

dirtying up the biden family. he's impeached the first time because he wants dirt on the bidens. he never contemplated that he'd run against someone who he dirty up in the area of law and order. that would be sort of political baggage for her. this is an unimpeachable temperamentable ability to process a witness, and really for the first time, some asymmetry, the disadvantages donald trump in the area of law and order. >> first of all, it is really interesting to me that he is still hanging on to this idea that being convicted helps him. all the t-shirts at the

republican national convention, i'm voted for the convicted felon. keep in mind there's two parts to this campaign. and as you mentioned before, she's going to be very disciplined about this. kamala harris knows this. one is the swing voter that didn't like their choices a few weeks ago and who haven't made up their mind finally and not paying close attention. it will be making them enthusiastic. she has both bases covered. the data has been gathered ever since donald trump egged on an insurrection and bragged about not having to follow the law, ever since that happened, we know those swing voters don't like it. they don't like it that president has been charged criminally. they don't like it that a

president has been convicted. i'm not talking about the base. i'm talking about the voters that are going to decide this election. and so her line when she said i i prosecuted sexual predators, i prosecuted fraudsters. i prosecuted people who think they are above the law. i know donald trump's type. that is a perfect crystallization of what will move those independent voters, those swing voters in those suburbs and states she has to win. she's looking to the future. that's going to build the enthusiasm among the younger voters that biden was struggling with. >> i have to sneak in a break but i want to come back to something we spent years talking about. the stakes for the rule of law in november's election. stick around. don't go nurse. ovember's electin stick around don't go nurse

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then their campaign says i'm the prosecutor and he is the convicted felon. >> i'm kamala harris and i approve this message. i mean, it's all message now, andrew weissmann, and none of it helping donald trump. >> and let's look forward, you know, this issue of his status

as a convicted felon is going to change in september because he has a hearing where he is extremely likely, based on the filings that have been made, to be sentenced in the middle of september by judge merchan for the 34 felony counts he was found guilty of by a jury. that sentencing is going to happen in september. you will have a -- truly a convicted, sentenced defendant who is the republican nominee. on the other hand you'll have somebody who was and is the vice president and a former prosecutor. i think that's why you're also seeing donald trump have a lot of trouble with his naming convention, the way he tries to tag people because kamala harris have gone from laughing kamala, which i'm not sure why that's some denigrating moniker that

he's attached to lying and that's the best he's been able to come up with. i think you really have this strong contrast between law and order and the rule of law and somebody who, i think, in very short order will be a sentenced convicted defendant. >> you know, clair, i don't want to gloss over this letter we came in on. other than the generals, there's no group of people more reluctant to step into partisan politics than folks who take the tough jobs, people like andrew frankly. so this letter -- let me read a little more of it to you, clair. even before trump tried to weaponize the justice department and get appointees to help overturn the election he lost, justice department officials express worry during the 2020

that a second trump term put the justice department past the point of no return. trump jump roped the line of independence between the justice department and the white house worrying doj observers then and now that a second term for him would obliterate that fire wall completely. that's what the project 2025 blueprint has in mind, has in store. >> yeah, they want to turn the justice department into a partisan arm of the president, a political vengeance squad. by the way, i might argue that joe biden and merrick garland went so far to try to take politics out of the justice department and restore the nonpolitical nature of the rule of law at the federal level that frankly merrick garland went too far. he waited so long to appoint a special counsel that we had all of this occurring, all these legal cases, the federal legal cases occurring so close in time to the election that it played

into trump's, you know, message that this was somehow a political prosecution. so no question kamala harris will go back and embrace the idea that justice department is facts and law and not politics. that's what most americans want. it's clearly not what donald trump would do. >> andrew weissmann and claire mccaskill, thank you for spending time with us. up next donald trump and j.d. vance's very strange and dangerous and up popular views about women. that conversation and senator cory booker coming up in the next hour. don't go anywhere. t go anywhere. e

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♪♪ these are weird people on the other side. they want to take books away. they want to be in your exam room. that's what it comes down to. these are weird ideas. listen to them speak. >> that's one way to put it. hi again. >> it's 5:00 in the east. for the billions spent on political advertising, maybe the message and contrast is as simple as that. yes, donald trump is a grave threat to our democracy. yes, the gop wants to turn back the clock on our rights. the modern republican party, its policies, the lawmakers who come up with them are, as said there, they're weird, deeply and profoundly weird. let's do as minnesota governor

tim walls suggested there, he's on the short list for kamala harris' vice president. listen to how republicans talk about things, like women for example and our place in the modern american family. one of j.d. vance's weirdest observations of vice president harris has wracked up 30 million views online since monday. >> we're effectively run in the country via the democrats by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable and they want to make the rest of the country miserable. kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the future of the democrats is controlled by people without children. how does it make sense we've turned our country over to people who don't have a direct stake in it? >> galling and offensive and inaccurate. let's get one thing straight. vice president harris is a parent, the second gentleman's

exwife spoke up and spoke out in defense of the woman her children call mamala. she writes, these are baseless attacks. for over tens years since cole and ella were teenagers kamala happens a coparent with doug and i. i love our blended family and i'm grateful to have her in it. earlier today ella amplified that statement adding, quote, i love my three parents. the republican weirdness goes deeper. listen to what j.d. vance once suggested before he was elected to the senate in a newly surfaced clip. >> let's give votes to all children in this country, but let's give control over those votes to the parents of those children. [ applause ] when you go to the polls in this

country as a parent, you should have more power. you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic than people who don't have kids. face the consequences and reality. if you don't have as much as an investment in the future of the country, maybe you shouldn't get nearly the same voice. >> what does that even mean? we're sure the cheaper by the dozen household might find that appealing. a spokesperson for vance said, what you heard was a thought experiment on strengthening parents' rights, not a concrete policy proposal. there's j.d. vance's boss, a man who has been found liable for sexual abuse, whose misogyny is a matter of public record.

instead of talking about children, he's acting like one. ms. harris is garnering extensive media attention and drowning out mr. trump. such a circumstance usually prompts him to insert himself into the news cycle somehow, often in self-destructive ways. quote, there's a real chance he overplays his hand on the attacks on her said the founder of all in together and an advocate for advancing women in business and politics. quote, i don't think it's strategic for him. it's automatic. it's simple. donald trump and the cult of personality he's built up prove again and again that they can be simply weird. it's where we start the hour. joining us activist and founder of all in together, lauren leader is here. former white house communication director, host of the open book

podcast, anthony scaramucci is back with us. anthony, as someone who sort of on the ground with the donor community and the republicans in exile community drawn to this pro democracy ticket, tell me how the last four days have felt. >> i mean, i think they've been very strong. i love the slogan, we choose freedom. i want you to think about that from a brave heart context. it's a great rebuttal to make america great again. the notion of freedom having some civil rights context. i want to go back to what you were saying about j.d. vance. he doesn't believe in the democracy. he's an accolade of curtis yarvin. look him up. study him. j.d. vance and his group of

people philosophically believe america should be run by elites like j.d. vance and venture capitalists. we have to explain to people that's how j.d. vance feels about things. donald trump didn't vet j.d. vance. i'm telling you he's miserable at his side right now. that's why he's telling you that the votes don't matter and that, if you don't have kids the votes don't matter. he wants to separate us from each other. he wants his team to run things on their own in a post-constitutional america. >> lauren, you're quoted in this piece that we read from and since "the times" reported that, there's this very -- the contrast is really this viral and visceral reaction to what anthony's talking about, to j.d. vance and this weird and cultish -- i don't know if we

can call it intellectual underpinning. >> it's weird. >> it's weird. speak to that and the response and the reaction and the recoiling to it. >> weird is generous. you have to look at the context and who j.d. vance was trying to appeal to, especially in the conversation with tucker carlson. the right wing extremist groups that have been at the heart of the trump coalition, folks that showed up at the capitol on january 6th, the proud boys and unite the right and many of the extremist right wing, right nationalist groups have a deeply misogynistic core set of beliefs that organize what they do. it's been so extreme and so embedded that the anti-defamation league which just tracks anti-semitism

launched a tracker a few years ago because it was coming to prevalent. vance has been courting this group of white male supporters who fundamentally don't believe that women should have a full and equal place in american society. they talk about potentially repelling the 19th amendment which gave women the right to vote. in many ways the stuff that's coming out about him, i'm not surprised. what is extraordinary is the power of the backlash, which is very real. by the way, it's very bipartisan. if you want to talk about struggles with fertility, not all women are childless by choice. some are and they should be celebrated for the choices they can make. there are millions of women who have fertility challenges and lost babies and in states that have abortion bans women have been rendered infertile because

they couldn't access the health care they needed when they had a miscarriage. we're day four of this campaign. we're barely scratching the surface of the misogyny that's going to emerge. >> let me read something that jennifer aniston said that tracks with ivf and the choices that women make and sometimes don't make. she wrote, quote, i truly can't believe this is coming from a potential vice president of the united states, jennifer aniston wrote in an instagram story, including a clip of vance's comments. all i can say is mr. vance i pray your daughter is fortunate enough to bear children of her own one day. i hope she doesn't need to turn to ivf as a second option because you're trying to take that away from her. i was going through ivf, drinking chinese tea, throwing everything at it. i would have given anything if someone said freeze your eggs, do yourself a favor. we don't think it. here i am today.

that ship has sailed. this attack on ivf and on women who either by choice or by circumstances like with jennifer aniston is, lauren, as you're describing, it's not universal or has a party affiliation. it's galvanizing. for many women it becomes a traumatic experience and deeply personal and keeping that bruise, keeping that trauma. it's immoral and distasteful and politically idiotic. >> it's absolutely politically idiotic. what's interesting is that republicans really stayed away from abortion politics at the convention, which is remarkable. you talked about it on your show. abortion was the animating principle of republican politics for 50 years. suddenly you had a convention where it was barely mentioned. the reason is because

republicans have come to understand how radioactive that is for a huge coalition of american women. i think the ivf and fertility conversation is another one of those absolutely visceral kind of hit you in the gut uniting issues for women everywhere. i'm an adoptive parent. i had fertility issues. i'm blessed i have three girls through adoption. everyone knows someone who struggled with these issues. i admire jen aniston for speaking out. these tropes in american society about childlessness have plagued her for years. she essentially was forced to come out and talk about her experience because she was dragged through the tabloid mud because she was childless in her early 50s. then you have someone in this high position running for vice president of the united states, as you say, pouring salt on it. women are not going to stand for it. look, that's what you're seeing in these last few days. the vastness of the backlash

against these kind of attacks, it's quite something. sort of inspiring. it's not 2016 anymore. i mean, i think women are really prepared to fight back in this election in ways maybe we weren't in '16. >> anthony, i have this political theory based on nothing but my sort of political gut. in '16 a lot of people missed a hidden trump vote. in 2024 there's a hidden male vote in support of a woman's right to choose, a family's right to turn to ivf, a family's right to exist with or without children. anecdotally, what do you think of that theory? >> let me add some statistics to it. it will bolster what you're saying. it's not 2016 anymore. there are 20.2 million baby boomers that have died since 2016, since that election.

more over, general x makes up 20 million. the data shows that and the sexism and the attacks that worked in 2016 that frankly baby boomer voters are used to is not something that the generation xer or z have a taste for. president trump can't land a punch yet. he's trying to find something that's going to land on vice president harris, but i'll tell you what, you want to call her dumb as a rock or dei candidate, if he keeps doing that, hundreds of thousands of people will be waiting online 10, 12 hours, no

water, won't matter, they'll do everything they can to vote for vice president harris. >> let me show you what this phenomenon that anthony's describing looks like. he's landed on wind. let me play that. >> do you know we need twice as much electricity as we currently have in our country for a.i.? the environmentalists won't let you produce it. they want wind. the wind is blowing today. the whole thing is the most expensive hoax in the world. the wind. it kills our birds. >> anthony, i'll ask you to explain the head nodding as our resident j.d. vance expert. why is he nodding? anyone alive can understand that this was an idiotic garbled sentence. why is j.d. vance nodding? >> listen, i don't want to be j.d. vance's life coach. i actually want to -- i'm watching this implode

gloriously. i've got to tell you something, it's absolutely horrific. go back to the tape, nicolle. take five minutes of your day and look at his acceptance speech and look at trump. looked like he was eating a garbage sandwich in his mouth. i'm using -- we're on the air. trump cannot stand this guy. i'm telling you right now he's lighting up his staff. he's saying, i almost got killed by an assassin's bullet. you pushed this guy on me. he's dull and boring. trump is a casting director. vance is not helping here. here's the dirty secret. vance thinks he's smarter than trump. trump hates that. vance thinks this is his 2028

presidential tour. donald trump fires people that get more attention than him. trust me, i know that. he fires people that get more attention. >> lauren, it brings us back to the general election matchup which has come into focus the last four days. vice president is going to get more attention. vice president harris gives better speeches. vice president kamala harris will draw more crowds. your thoughts on how he'll be able to control himself when he reacts to that. >> j.d. vance may have been catering to what he thought tucker carlson's audience wanted to hear. donald trump is sincere in his anger and disdain for women. i mean, we've seen that from the beginning. i mean, we've had years and years of this. he abhors women journalists.

he berate and insulted one of the few women in his own cabinet, elaine cho. he had the lowest number of women in his cabinet of any president since ronald reagan. you know, he has a totally regressive, misogynistic view of women and he's sexually assaulted them. this is not somebody who showed any interest in moderating when it came to speaking honestly about what he really thinks when he goes head to head with women. i think it's not going to work this time. you know, i've been thinking a lot about these last few days and i've always thought that politics -- candidates winning comes down to the right person and the right time and place, the right moment and the right race. it certainly feels like that for the vice president. you know, maybe a few days earlier, a couple months earlier, certainly years earlier, it might not have resonated in the way it does

now. what she's galvanizing is not just the relief and desire for democrats to unite after this painful couple weeks of trying to sort out the president's future, but also the women who are passionately committed to not going further back, to making sure they stop trump from ever being elected again. frankly in some ways getting right what we got wrong in 2016 and not allowing the sexism that derailed hillary's campaign. it didn't just come from donald trump. it came from the media and other places. it was pre me too in 2016. we're not going back and we're not going to let the same old same old take down a highly qualified extraordinary, once in a generation, history-making candidate. >> i think that is so true. lauren, i want to ask both of you to come back and have

conversation. i think you feel it. you feel it for yourself. you feel it as people who survived one trump term. you feel it when you watch him unrepe tent and doubling down in a deposition and grabbing someone is something you can do when you're famous. you feel it in these misogynistic attacks made on the campaign trail and you see it in the pick of someone like j.d. vance who thinks women should stay in marriages that are violent. thank you both so much. when we come back, the swift and stunning support all across the democratic party and beyond behind vice president kamala harris. senator cory booker of new jersey knows the vice president really well. he's our next guest. plus, president biden's

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i'm ready to debate donald trump. i've agreed to the previously agreed upon september 10th date. he agreed to that previously. now he's back pedaling. i'm ready.

the viewers can see the split screen that exists on a debate stage. i'm ready. let's go. >> i'm ready. let's go. cue the back pedaling memes. that was vice president kamala harris saying she's ready to debate donald trump and talk about the different visions they have for the future of the country. harris has brought a message of hope and freedom to what has been an electrifying first few days on the campaign trail. democrats are left with a fresh sense of optimism. "the new york times" said, quote, she has brought in more than $120 million in new donations. she's drawn bigger crowds than biden ever did this election season. she has electrified tiktok and put a jolt into democrats' volunteer effort, especially among black women. let's bring in senator cory booker. thank you for being with us,

senator. i know she's a friend and former colleague. i wonder if there's anything that surprises you about the response to her candidacy. >> it's been a volcano erupting in our country of enthusiasm and support. it's something we've been aching for. we're about to open up a new generational of presidential leadership and somebody who is going to chart a course for the future and be a stark contrast to donald trump. i'll tell you, i've been watching your coverage sitting in the green room. i want to say something because i know kamala like few do. i sat next to her on the judiciary committee. all the things you were playing about the horrific things are saying about her makes me smile, as i often did, as she tore into some people in productive ways. let me say this, it's about to get real because kamala harris

does not play. you know, she would make quips and we would crack each other up, but, when it came time to do the work, she was somebody who is -- for those who don't know her -- it's about to get real. she's like a california redwood, she rises above it. you try to torture her with words, she's like a phoenix. she'll rise higher and brighter than before. kamala is very good at defender herself, but she's one of the best i've ever seen at defending other people. she will stand up for those people that donald trump puts down. she will unify those people that donald trump tries to divide. she will protect those people that donald trump tries to attack. she believes this is a nation for everyone and, in fact, we

thrive better. there's no one more prepared to go up against donald trump when it comes to his level of viciousness, vindictiveness than kamala harris. i am excited to yet again, like i did back in those days of us sitting next to each other on the judiciary committee, to have a front row seat to the action. it's about to get real. >> i think you're absolutely right. even before sunday, a lot of her speeches -- let me ask you if you agree with this. i had the sense in watching her and watching her from the minute the debate ended, she put the campaign on her back and carried it. she didn't say we didn't see what we thought we seen. she said i'm not going to let these 90 minutes color a conversation about the last three years. then she went out and kicked ass on the campaign trail. she was electric.

it's been reported and i understand she was one imploring joe biden to stay in the race. when he handed the torch, she obviously stepped into the role seamlessly and effortlessly. tell me what's behind all that. >> i mean, she's a fighter. you know, there's that old saying if you're going to be in a fox hole with somebody, i want so and so with me. her and the president have been in a fox hole for three and a half years. they've gained tremendous ground for the american people through fighting, inch by inch, crawling towards progress they together have been the most productive white house team we've seen in my lifetime. the infrastructure act, the chips act, the first gun safety bill we've done in 30 years. they've done more climate policy. they've done policy to lower prescription drugs. so she's a fighter. we don't get those accomplishments unless you have a capable white house duo.

i just know this is a short election. we have about 104 days. this is a time where people want to see how you deal with adversity. they want to see how you deal in a campaign fight. they want to see how you articulate policy and plans. they want to see how you point to the future and better days ahead. i think kamala harris is about to put on a master class for the united states of america. i believe that this will be a campaign where donald trump's usual playbook, the way he demeans and degrades his opponents -- he degrades from marco rubio, ted cruz, nikki haley, he's about pull downs. he's about to meet somebody you can't push back, put down and knock out. he's about to be in the ring

with a real fighter who knows how to defend herself, and more importantly knows how to defend america. >> her language is we, not me. you're so blessed when you have a candidate who talks like that and thinks like that. no one on the trump/vance side has that to work with. it's not available to them. for her it's a fluency in making it not about ourselves, but the country. her first video out today is about freedom. just talk about sort of the pivot now that is happening. republicans are clearly -- their heads are spinning. this isn't going to be a conversation about her. it's a conversation about all of us and everyone in the pro democracy coalition which goes beyond the democratic party. talk about this moment for all of us, for the country. >> yeah, i think a lot of us have been aching. we're seeing a tribalism in our

nation like we've never seen before. we're seeing a lot of folks who have been trying to pit us against each other for their own political gain. we are a nation where people are trying to tell us that the lines that divide us are stronger than the ties that bind us. there's a hurt in america right now. people who have begun to surrender to a sense of cynicism about can we ever be a united state of america. the pendulum has swung so far that it will come back. we need great leaders to remind us who we are to each other. the 70 million americans who voted for donald trump are not my enemy. they're my fellow citizens. they're folks that we need if we're going to move this country forward. what i'm hopeful for now finally in kamala harris is we have somebody who is not going to fall into that trap, but is

going to stand in the breach between those who seek to divide us and those who understand that we share one destiny. i think she could be a leader who puts more indivisible back into this nation under god. >> senator cory booker, you're going to be someone we call on. thank you so much for being here on this historic week in politics. great to talk to you. >> thank you so much. good to be with you. when we come back, president biden's urgent call for reform at the united states supreme court is something he sees as crucial to protecting democracy. what he hopes to get done after a very short break. get flea and tick medication delivered right to your door. [panting] subway is offering 20% off any sub, any size whooo! 20% off subs is fun to say 20% off subs are fun to eat

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i'm going to call for supreme court reform because this is critical to our democracy, supreme court reform. >> it is a promise and a problem clearly of the utmost importance to president joe biden, enough to include among his goals for his final six months as our president. it's not surprising. we learned from recent reporting that president biden's plan to support supreme court reform includes ethic code for justices. his democratic colleagues call for impeachment and

investigations. with months left in his presidency, president biden's refusal to back down from supreme court reform is being done urgently and with intention. he's tying it to his broader message of preserving our democracy. joining our conversation is gabe roth and senior editor for slate dalia lithwick. i want to ask you how this new political moment -- how you think about the court? >> i would tack on to what senator booker said, hope and imagination are suddenly in the picture. i think the world was awash in shades of gray and now there's a sense, not just that it's not a done deal, but with a if we can

imagine things we never imagined. that doesn't stop with electing the first woman of color. i think it really extends into all the things that felt fanciful and unthinkable a week ago are maybe on the menu. it's a really good time to talk about supreme court reform, a thing we know how to do it, but people are afraid to say it out loud. >> it's such a good point. i've spent six years reading everything smart that tim snyder and ruth and everybody has written about autocracy. we knew despair and hopelessness was a tool for the autocrat, a tool for anti-democratic forces. it felt inescapable under the trump presidency and the years trumpism refused to go away. we still have him. he just had his convention.

he's close in the polls to vice president harris. there's renewed hope in her candidacy and president biden's unrelenting focus on something he spent a lifetime in public service thinking wasn't necessary, and that's court reform. i wonder if the folks on the other side of the debate understand how serious this president is about it. >> the one thing i would say is i look at project 2025 as a marker of how seriously they're taking this because -- i think this is really important and we talked about it at the end of the term. in many ways the prongs, the essential prongs of project 2025 that we're saying, oh, we don't want that to come into effective and if donald trump wins the white house we'll see these things happen. it's worth saying out loud and unequivocally. everyone of the major prongs of

project 2025 has been enacted in one way or another this last term at the court. whether it's massive executive power, we saw that in the immunity decision, whether it's the end of the regulatory state, we saw that in the chevron overturn or whether it's the rise of this very archaic christian right notion of family and purity and who gets to get married and who gets to have kids. that is everywhere at the supreme court. i think it's really useful to connect project 2025 to what's already happened at the supreme court, whether or not kamala harris wins and i think it's really worth saying, if that's the juggernaut and it's coming from the court, what are we going to do about it? the fact that donald trump and j.d. vance are running away from project 2025 tells you how much it doesn't poll well and tells you how much this is an opportunity to use it to say

this is already coming. it's already happened and it's happening in the court. >> gabe, fix the court tweeted, right on cue conservatives are throwing cold water on scotus term limits even though the proposal biden is likely to back was developed by conservatives and has had support from 70 to 80% of conservatives. >> i see you're reading my tweets. nice. >> reading them and producing them and putting them on the screen. >> graphics, full screen, i love it. thank you for that. the fact that biden has got to this point where he sees supreme court reform as a necessity for sustaining our democracy is a big deal. i think we could have made that argument three years ago when the commission came out. he had a supreme court commission come out with effectively -- no recommendations.

they weren't allowed to do recommendations. they said supreme court term limits made sense. chief justice roberts when he worked in the reagan white house said that term limits made sense. he said 15 years, though, 18 is the going rate. justice alito said during his confirmation if he was at the convention he would have done life tenure or long term. justice kagan as well. this is an idea from the left, right, ending life tenure at the court is popular. i don't know why the lawmakers on the republican side are not with their base. just out of curiosity i went to the 2016 iowa primaries and spoke to folks and heard from them saying that. the folks on the ground said they wanted to end life tenure at the supreme court. it's become more popular on the left in the intervening years. if you think of term limits at large, that's a very

conservative idea. bringing -- not having life long politicians, not having life long judges in robes deciding what we the people want to do. there's nothing scary about it. it's what every modern democracy, every one discuss besides ours. the reason we don't, we can get into it later. don't have time for that. it's because we're the oldest. everyone since us has had term limits for its highest judicial officers. conservatives like it. maybe their politicians don't like it. liberals like it. independents like it. it's a popular provision. we want our politicians to put forward that which the people support. >> while you were talking we put up the fox news poll showing that 78% of conservatives approve term limits. i have to sneak in a quick break. we'll be right back on the other

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and around guns and voting rights and lots of other things. what role do the polls play in terms of anything that happens surrounding this supreme court? >> i think they can play an important role when you look at the cross tabs. you'll see, if you look at the cross tabs, meaning which percentage of a certain opinion is supported by republicans versus democrats versus independents, it can two things. if you look at the cross tabs on reforms, whether things like ethics or gifts or recusals or term limits you'll see reforms in the supreme court to bring them more in line with the lower courts and congress are broadly popular across the board. showing how supreme court reform can be nonpartisan. when it comes to the opinions, that can galvanize the democratic base. when you see that 80% of

democrats disapproval of the immunity decision or 85% of democrats disagree with dobbs, there are ways to -- you know, it's not perfect. there are ways to enact laws that can side step certain supreme court opinions. it's called judicial override where you write a law that says the supreme court is interpreting a statute x. that's fine, but we're going to come over here because the constitution is a conversation among the three branches and write a law and challenge the supreme court to strike that down. something like the women's health protection act which, quote, unquote, codifies roe would be passed and we have to figure out can it be overturned. hopefully galvanize congress because the court is not going to fix it on its own. it's going to take the american people via their representatives in congress to pass laws that are stronger and can sort of sidestep the supreme court's reactionary opinion.

so that's where i would look at. >> dalia, so much of what the country feels about the court isn't -- so much of it was focused and galvanized around dobbs. vice president harris has been the administration's lead sort of person traveling the country and understanding its impact with women who have had their access to abortion health care, limited or completely cut off. what is your sense? connect some of those dots for me in terms of what's happening in the country in these next hundred days. >> i think vice president harris has not just been much more vocal in criticizing dobbs, but in criticizing the court than president biden has been and she's really, i think, been explicit in a way that he's always sort of such an institutionalist that he's reluctant to sort of put it out there that this is an appalling

decision and this is the court out over its skis. she's been much more apt to say really from the jump that dobbs was a disaster, to blame it on the court, to blame it on partisanship and don't forget, we saw her in the senate cross examining some of these very same people who said at the time that they believe in stare decisis and that roe is binding precedent. so she has, in some sense, already proven that she knows what the stakes were because she warned us. i guess the last thing i would say is she has really been open in a way that i think is different from biden to big, structural court reform. she said when she was initially running, she said she wanted to have that conversation. she was open to it. so she's in a different place than president biden is. >> and again, because of sort of the political shifting of the tectonic plates under this, it's

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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary times. we are so grateful. "the beat" with the great ari melber back in the chair starts right now. hi, ari. welcome back. >> nicole, thank you. great to be back. my onlck