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when president joe biden announced he was running for re- election last year, he decided early on the theme for his second campaign would boil down to one word, -- ♪♪ >> freedom. personal freedom is fundamental to who we are as americans. there's nothing more important, nothing more sacred. >> that without president biden's re-election effort began, centering freedom as the fundamental american value that would drive his campaign, a concept that united all of the major fights in the selection including the fight for democracy and the fight for bodily autonomy, it all came down to freedom when president biden gave his widely praised

state of the union speech earlier this year, freedom was once again the central theme. over the course of his one-hour speech, biden used the word freedom more than a dozen times. now, president biden has passed the torch to his vice president, kamala harris. today, vice president harris released her first solo campaign out for the presidency, just like joe biden did in his first ad, kamala harris is putting freedom at the center of her message. this time with a little help from beyonce. >> in this election, we each face a question, what kind of country do we want to live in? there are some people who think we should be a country of chaos , of fear, of hate. but us, we choose something different. we choose freedom. >> ♪ freedom, freedom, i can't

move ♪ freedom, freedom, where you ♪ i need freedom ♪ >> freedom not to to get by but to get ahead, freedom to be safe from gun violence, the freedom to make decisions about your own body. >> the harris for president campaign is now operating at full tilt and has its first sign of real lift. a new poll out today from the new york times shows kamala harris in a statistical tie with donald trump, trailing him by one point within the margin of error among likely voters nationwide. by way of comparison, trump led biden by six points in that same pool earlier this month. today, vice president harris spoke to one of the country's biggest teachers unions, the american federation of teachers, which is one of the first unions to endorse or campaign. she used that speech to take the fight directly to her opponent. >> donald trump and his extreme

allies want to take our nation back to failed, trickle down economic policies. back to union busting. back to tax breaks for billionaires. donald trump and his allies want to medicare and social security. to stop student loan forgiveness for teachers and other public servants. and i say to aft, they even want to eliminate the department of education. >> that was a preview of what we might see in future debate between emily harrison and donald trump, whether or not they actually debate, whether trump actually says yes, i will debate kamala harris, that is an open question. trump had previously agreed to a second debate with president

biden hosted by abc news in september. after it became clear vice president harris might succeed joe biden as the democratic nominee, trump started to walk back his commitment saying he wanted to have multiple debates hosted instead by pro-trump, right-wing news outlets instead. on our way back to washington to sentiment, vice president harris had this to say. >> and ready to debate donald trump, i have agreed previously agreed upon september 10th debate, he agreed to that previously, now it appears he is backpedaling but i'm ready. i think the voters deserve to see the split screen that exists in this race on a debate stage. i'm ready, let's go. >> i'm ready, let's go. the trump campaign has since responded by pointing to comments trump made on tuesday saying that he intends to debate vice president harris. but they have also said, just an hour ago, they will not

finalize details until democrats formally decide on their nominee. we shall see. put a pin in that one. meantime, harris supporters are mobilizing on the heels of sunday nights wildly successful black women for harris organizing call, harris supporters held two more organizing calls this evening, one for white women who support the harris campaign and another for men from all walks of life who also support the harris campaign. next week, vice president harris will go to georgia where the campaign is hoping to keep up the momentum from the standing room only event they held in washington earlier this week, i'm sorry, wisconsin earlier this week. we expect vice president harris will choose a running mate sometime in the next two weeks just ahead of the democrats virtual nominating convention. buckle up, everyone, this thing is just getting started and there are only 103 days to go. joining me are dan pfeiffer, formerly a senior adviser to president obama and ashley

etienne, former communications director for vice president harris. it is so great to have both of you here, i'm eager to get your thoughts on how you would like to see the campaign unfold. dan, let me ask you about the polling that we have, it is clear vice president harris made up some ground but there's obviously more to do. i wonder where you think she should be focusing geographically on picking up that support because there's a big debate about whether it is opening up the map or focusing on the so-called blue wall state of wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan. >> i think it is and/or. there is no question for any democrat, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin are the first quickest path to 70, because of her strength we have seen in early polling with younger voters, black voters, latino voters, performing five or six points above where president biden was performing, georgia, arizona, nevada should be back in play. back to where we thought the campaign would be a year ago,

six battleground states with possibly north carolina coming into play she has to play in all of those states to open up as many paths as possible to the presidency. >> ashley, can you talk about the new paths forward, the resurrection of the obama coalition, inevitably something else because it will be the harris coalition, the inroads you think are possible in communities of color, specifically with communities that have shown interest in donald trump lately, hispanic men and black men, how do you think she is best positioned or should best positioned herself to bring them back to the democratic tent? >> honestly, i think this whole issue of black men and hispanic men supporting donald trump has been a bunch of hype. it is not bearing out in any real way that is a threat to kamala harris in the numbers. i was recently talking about the usa today poll, they pulled black men that support trump, they

asked him if you would support trump if you put a black man on the ticket chose a black man, they said, no, they wouldn't. it reminded me of my favorite harriet tubman line, i would save mart had they known they were enslaved. there will always be a percentage that you lose, the reality is, the one thing i think that makes kamala harris the right leader for this moment is something she still tells my worked for her in the white house, that was, when you go into these rings, when you go to the oval office or the roosevelt room, you take people into those rooms that don't even know the rooms exist. she would always say that she sees people, she said that today when talking about the israel/palestine issue. she sees people which is unique to black women in particular, we are the lowest on societal totem pole, looking up and considering people before our own selves, also consistent with who she is, the way she was raised by two immigrant parents in a very multiracial

neighborhood. her first memories were of her in a stroller marching for freedom for all people. her east coast is to see people. i think what she is doing, she has to do more of it and that is to be authentic, engage black men and hispanic men where they are on the issues they talk about, that they care about and tactically, you've seen her do this, she did the event on criminal justice reform and i think she needs to do more of that and she will do that but that is her secret sauce as a leader, she has the ability to hear and see people in a way most leaders don't. i have worked for her, everyone from president obama to speaker pelosi, i think that is what makes her unique. if she can do more of that, they are proving that they are, you will see gains. if you look at the campaign's internal polling, she is maybe plus 45 among african americans over donald trump. i don't think this is a huge

issue, i think there is clear energy and momentum, you said at the top of the show, people are engaged and excited about kamala harris in ways even more so than barack obama. this will be a pretty exciting race, i think she has transformed not only the map but possibilities to build on that biden coalition. >> it is such a good point, dan, they're so much new and invigorating about the harris campaign. i guess to what extent you think the campaign needs to be thinking strategically about the old problems that bedeviled the biden campaign, immigration and inflation, the campaign is four days old, in those four days, not a lot of talk about those issues. i wonder if you think there needs to be, how directly does she need to, those issues head- on? >> she well, shall have to get there, the most important thing to do right now is introducers up to the nation. all of the polling i've seen show that people know who she

is, they know her name but they don't know a lot about her, they don't know her story or her values or her record. there is a race to define her. the question is who will win the race, kamala harris and the democrats or donald trump and the maga media. that is the first step, to get people to believe what you will say and do on issues that matter to people like immigration, inflation, you have to know who you are, what they have to know your values to believe you. step one is to reintroduce herself to the nation and do it in this new context of her as a presidential candidate and democratic standardbearer. >> cannot add to that? the other thing she has to do is really tell the story because the story being told for her, not from her. the story is that republicans had a deal on the table, it was a bipartisan deal, it was the most conservative deal ever cooked up, a lot of concessions democrats made to get the bill passed, they walked away from the bill because of donald trump

. joe biden took action, she and joe biden took action, they made investments on the border protection, border crossings are down 40%. she has to tell that part of the story, i don't disagree with dan, what we have to do is lean into the issue, not lien out of the issue. she also has to invite republicans into the conversation. she has to remind people that the president can't solve such a major problem that, you know, has baffled us for so many years and so many presidencies, it has been around such a long time. she actually has to invite republicans in to remind people it will only happen one way, we do it in a bipartisan way and through legislation. the president cannot do it alone, to add on what and said, two additional things that she needs to do. >> dan, as we talk about the introduction and going on offense, probably happening to some degree simultaneously given the fact 103 days left in

the race, you talk about your new letter, the pro-harris content, you would be hard- pressed to have found that for joe biden, not because he wasn't a very competent leader, someone with an incredible executive and legislative record, just because the culture was not where the biden campaign was. that has all changed and i wonder how much stock you put into things like, it sounds ridiculous to say a meme could swing an election, in terms of helping people understand this woman and how she is different and culturally relevant, how much does it matter that beyonce is giving her the music and how much does it matter that charlie x ex says, lapine is brat, what should we say looking at the strength of these respective campaigns? >> i would attach a ton of weight, politics is information warfare, we are getting hammered, this entire apparatus

on the right powered by fox news, there's a ton of right- wing influencers on facebook, tiktok part of the maga culture that dominates that platform. for the first time in the selection, kamala harris, a candidate that connects to the people who power the algorithm for on tiktok and instagrammed, you are seeing organic content because it is so hard to reach people in this media environment, people are not listening to my podcast or watching your show, they're not tuning to the news, you reach them on social. tiktok, you cannot buy ads, it has to be organic the fact it is happening and people's algorithms, flooded with positive funny charming culturally connected content about her is incredibly powerful because it lets people get to know her and to know about the election, engage with the process, struggling with on our side over year. it is hugely important and we have a chance to win the information warfare in the selection, if

you do that, you have a chance to win the election itself. >> dan piper and ashley at the end, great to hear from you both, these come back to talking with me at great length about this again. thanks for time. trump vice presidential pick j.d. vance has weird ideas about families and children. we look at why he thinks why he thinks what he thinks with a reporter that went deep into the vance archives. first, how kamala harris might navigate the very big tent politics of the democratic party. hunger cement and chair pramila jayapal joins me next. voltaren... for long lasting arthritis pain relief. (♪♪) most people call leaffilter when their gutters are clogged and they notice one of the many issues that can bring. sometimes it's the smell of mildew

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ever since vice president kamala harris became the defective democratic presidential nominee, conservative networks have tried to suggest paris is way outside the mainstream, except once you leave the right-wing bubble, it is clear way outside their mainstream is really sort of smack dab in the center. here are some of the on-screen headlines newsmax air during vice president harris' first campaign speech in milwaukee. harris back, supports massive corporate tax hikes, don't tell newsmax polls show most americans, regardless of party affiliation, want corporations and the wealthy to pay their share. harris backed tax medicare for all, which again, literally years now, polls have shown a majority of americans

actually support. then there is harris, one to tech cap rent and utility payments. here's the thing, we are in the middle of a housing affordability crisis, rent has jumped an average of 30% since the pandemic. a rent and utility cap is probably popular. shocking radical left agenda is actually mainstream economic populism. and then there is donald trump, who is literally on behind closed doors and told wealthy donors, we will get rich as hell and give you tax cuts. during this congresswoman from a ipod that search of the chairwoman of the progressive caucus. i found myself chuckling somewhat in disbelief that this was an attack on vice president harris policies that are broadly popular, do you think the right-wing understands how much they have uncalibrated

what centrist economic policy is? >> no, i really don't and i hope they keep showing those screens because that will win us the election. the reality is, we have a real contrast, we have donald trump, who is literally bowing down and kissing the feet of these fossil fuel billionaires and selling the destruction of our planet off for some money for his campaign. we have donald trump, who wants to rip away our freedoms and wants to have total control over our bodies. we have donald trump, who actually believes that his trump project 2025, where we get rid of all checks and balances, we have a complete takeover of the government with his political appointees in every single place. that is the donald trump i believe americans will find too extreme because you know what,

he is too extreme. then we have kamala harris, who is going to be able to really take the case and the contrast directly to the people. she has been an incredible advocate on abortion and reproductive freedom, very important issue. on this populist working-class economic agenda, that is the biden/harris administration agenda and that is the biden/harris 100 day agenda, which is now the harris presidential campaign agenda. you can see it in the enthusiasm across the country that has exploded in the last several days. >> i want to focus on economic piece of this a little bit, there has not been that much talk about in recent days and we know bedeviled the biden campaign to some degree, feelings around inflation and his stewardship of the american economy, i do wonder if you think vice president harris is positioned considerably better to articulate the case for her

agenda, which is obviously the harris/biden agenda, specifically i wonder if you think she can do it better with the asian american community? we have not talked that much this week about the asian vote but it is critical in several swing states. as a representative of the aapi community, i wonder if you think she will do better. i think biden was losing eight points among asian american voters from his numbers in 2020 . obviously, this is not a monolithic group of people but i wonder if you thought about it . absolutely, first of all, i'm thrilled, i believe, will have our first black and aapi woman president of the united states. i think the reason that will happen is, as i have said on your show, i have always believed it is our base of aapi voters, black voters, latino voters, women voters, of young people, working-class and poor

people, who are not always feeling like they are engaged in a campaign. if we can get those folks to come out, that is how we won in 2020, it wasn't just suburban swing voters who are important, it is also this incredible turnout of the base, this fragile coalition that came together so we could win. i do think having been on a nhpi call yesterday, south asian american women's call yesterday, several more happening tomorrow, i'm going to georgia, where i will be with young voters, aapi voters, young voters, women voters, there is this incredible sense of seeing ourselves in the agenda, it is true that women of color, for example, and nhpi women as part of that are disproportionally burdened by the unfairness of our economy. whether you're thinking about domestic workers, childcare

workers, moms, across the board, you see that is where there's a lot of pain and suffering for the economy, a lot of injustice. kamala harris is uniquely positioned to talk about that, she is actually the lead sponsor of mike domestic workers bill of rights in the senate, when she was in the senate. she understands what this means. i think she can call people in a very different way that is authentic to her identity, to her skills, to her experience and her legislative act human, which she has continued to develop over the course of her term as vice president. >> when we talk about the 10, it bears mentioning this has been a huge week in terms of foreign policy with prime minister netanyahu's address to a joint session of congress, vice president harris met with prime minister netanyahu today and came out of the meeting saying that israel has a right

to defend itself but also urging the need for cease-fire and saying that we cannot allow ourselves to become numb to the suffering of palestinians, i will not be silent. do you think she will take a meaningfully different stance on this issue then president biden and do you firstly that changing the dynamics internally in the democratic party? >> i think you are already seeing it with people feeling like there is more hope for a shift in u.s. policy, tougher u.s. policy towards netanyahu , i think that is why you see this incredible new group of voters registering to vote, 18 to 34, 38,500 people in 48 hours, it surpassed the last record with taylor swift last september who told people to go out to register. this was authentic, it happened naturally with people feeling like perhaps there is more hope she will be empathetic, sympathetic to the suffering of people across gaza and the families who are here. i also

think on this particular issue, i have had a chance to talk to her at length, about 45 minutes a couple weeks ago, she also understands it isn't just palestinian americans, muslim americans, arab americans who care about this, it is the black clergy. this is one of the top issues in the black community, ending the war on gaza and changing u.s. policy. seven major labor unions sent a letter a couple days before netanyahu 's visit saying that this was important to the labor movement. i think she is much more innately tuned to the suffering of palestinian people and of israelis. i think she will have to walk that line carefully, i don't think it will be easy to obviously, we still have a president, his name is joe biden, she is still a vice president. she is also our presidential nominee for the democratic party . i think it will be complicated, i think she is trying to send signals that she

would like to have some shift, i can't say what that is and i think our movement has to continue to make it clear to her that this is a critical issue and everything from her statements that she makes, the fact she was not at netanyahu 's speech yesterday , to her choices that she makes down the road, including her vice presidential pick, these will be critically important to signaling what direction she is going to take on the economic agenda, on gaza, on all of these issues. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal , always a lot to talk about, thank you for your time tonight . still ahead tonight, sam stein joined me to put betting odds on the harris vp stakes contests. first, we get to the origin of j.d. vance's deep disgust for house cats and the women who raised them to nevada's next.

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there is a clip from ohio senator j.d. vance's old senate campaign going around, have you seen it yet? >> where effectively run in this country get the democrats via corporate oligarchs by a bunch of childless cat ladies were miserable at their own lives and the choices they have made so they want to make the rest of the country miserable

too. it is a basic fact, look at kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the entire future of the democrats is controlled by people without children. they played their entire lives to win a status game, obsessed with their jobs and they hate normal americans for choosing family over these ridiculous d.c. and new york status games. >> since donald trump picked j.d. vance, 39-year-old first-term senator who seems obsessed with his career, since trump picked vance as his running mate, several past comments on gender and family resurface, comments that have been called, weird, which is probably an understatement. >> i want to take aim at the last, specifically the child was left because i think the rejection of the american family is perhaps the most pernicious and evil thing the left has done in this country. what you find consistently as many of the most unhappy and most miserable and most angry

people in our media are childless adults. >> women taking care of cats instead of kids is apparently everything that is wrong with america and something that exists entirely because of democrats. beyond being a really weird belief, vance's view has distinctly authoritarian vent, vance openly praised this policy from hungary authoritarian dictator viktor orban, one that encourages native hungarian mothers, native ones, have four or more children, the idea is to repopulate the country with white christians instead of muslim immigrants. hen. j.d. vance also thinks if you don't have children, your vote should not count as much as those who do, which is sort of a self- fulfilling prophecy of conservative domination assuming all childless cat ladies are democrats. >> give vote to all children in this country, let's give

control of those votes to the parents of those children. when you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you should have more power, you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic than people who don't have kids. >> vance advocated for trading economic system that integrates jobs specifically for american men because according to j.d. vance, families suffer more women are employed than they do when women are. >> the decline of manufacturing hit male employment much harder than female employment. one of the things that we see consistently is that women are unemployed, it is very hard for them to maintain, to build families themselves. i do think, it may make some people uncomfortable in the audience, the fact that we lost

a lot of stable male employment was a catastrophe for the american family. >> throughout his political career, j.d. vance has pushed for economic populism premised on men working in women being married and staying married and having children whether they want to or not. >> the question really to me is about the baby, we want women to have opportunities, we want women to have choices, but above all, we want women and young boys in the wednesday to have the right to life . >> this is one of the great tricks the sexual revolution pulled on the american populace, the idea that okay, these marriages were fundamentally, they were maybe violent but certainly unhappy so getting rid of them and making it easier for people to shift spouses like they change their underwear, that will make people happier long-term. maybe it worked out for the moms and dads, i'm skeptical it really did not work out for the

kids in those marriages. >> i have a lot of questions here but two of them are, why is j.d. vance like this and are donald trump and the republican party at all concerned that this guy is on their ticket? our next guest, jessica winter has any piece out in the new yorker that goes a long way toward explaining. stay with us. sleep better. live purple. visit purple.com or a store near you today

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in a new piece titled, j.d. vance is sad strange politics of family, new yorker contributed editor jessica winter unpacks vance's new resurface concerned about childless cat ladies looking at vance's own family, winter wrath, a close read of vance's grandmother's plates has striking similarity between vance's guardian angel and the ideal matriarch who emerges from vance's political platform, their place is at home, their job, they have no choice whether to quit, is to have babies. what results is a linker, protest goalie narcissistic vision of the social contract, an identity politics of one grown child. joining me are jessica winter, contributing editor at the new yorker, sam stein managing editor of the bowl worth. thank you for being here, i enjoyed this read and i wonder if you can explain the way in which j.d. vance's grandmother story is in a way, the rosetta stone for his political agenda and cultural outlook?

>> absolutely, thanks for having me on the program. so yeah, j.d. vance talks about his grandparents as the best things that ever happened to him and that they rescued him from being a statistic, j.d. vance's mom struggled with drug abuse, the household he was raised in was often unstable, she cycled through a lot of boyfriends and husbands and she was at times neglectful or even abusive. his grandparents, his grandmother in particular, provided him with the refuge from that chaos with that instability. what is funny about that is that his grandparents had also created a very volatile, sometimes violent, very unstable household for his own mother. there is kind of a generational trauma being handed down. but i think what is really interesting and what comes into

sharp relief in one of the clips that you played before the break, is that there is the essential difference he sees between his grandparents and his mother, which is that his grandparents stayed married. i think that because his grandparents were so important to him, because they saved him from being a statistic, as he is put it, he has inscribed a lot of importance in their marriage and how they stuck it out through thick and thin, i think that has gone a great deal toward shaping his ideology, his politics, even some of his policy references. >> yeah, his idea people should stay married, no matter whether they are in violent relationships are not i want to ask in terms of the way he thinks of marriage and childbearing, he thinks of the family as kind of uniquely conservative phenomenon, his wife worked for a san francisco law firm until two minutes ago, does he not understand democrats of children and families too? it seems very asymmetrical

about it. >> absolutely, he absolutely sees the traditional nuclear family of the mid-20th century where their dad goes to work and mom stays home with the kids. everyone is getting by on a single income. that is the ideal that he wants to strive for. the notion that a mother, a woman would want to work, it would need to work out of economic necessity or perhaps would want to work for her own personal fulfillment, at a law firm perhaps, that does not enter the position when it comes to his political views and economic outlook. >> sam, i am struck by how far outside the mainstream j.d. vance, i think people have paid some attention to j.d.

vance, people interested in senate politics have, the more you hear from this individual, the more, weird, is the word used being described, he is someone who said, universal day care, this is right before he announces senate run, universal day care is class war against normal people. i want to make the point that his wife and he has three children and at her law firm, they offer 12 hour, on-site day care. the disconnect, do you have a thought about this? >> i have multiple thoughts about it. i would say a couple things, one is, it wasn't always this way. if you look at his biography when he was a law student at yale, for instance and he was riding on his little blog, personal blog but also writing for conservative sites, the glimpse that you get a j.d. vance is a different person, someone who is more socially liberal, more moderate republican with republicanism,

it is not he is cosmopolitan or anything, he obviously had written his memoir, that was through his political beliefs, projecting this type of persona, i think what happened was, if i had to guess, he began to get more involved with national foreign politics and saw the way the wind was blowing, he recognized the heart of the party was with this ideology, sort of personified not just his politics but the tucker carlson show for a while, it had been family central to america and rapidly deteriorated by democrats. that is where he is coming from, part political admission, not all political, some of it he does believe these things genuinely. now it is being thrust into national or in front of a national audience, it lands differently. this is not ohio,

it is not rural ohio, it is not fox news or tucker carlson, this is a national audience. i think the vast majority, not just women but men, recoil at the idea that if you're childless, somehow your lesser. -- childless, somehow you are lesser. >> it's not only if you are childless, you are lesser. stepmom's are really mom. women should be staying in marriages even if their violent marriages and universal day care is for people who are not normal. i mean i just think you know, . when we talk about how we came to these views, you go back to hillbilly elegy. sm says, there seems to be an interregnum period where he is somehow tethered to the reality that most of the country lives in, which is that people need day care but it also seems he sort of selfms-radical ices, harkening back to his roots and then with the added incentive of being on fox news was tucker carlson, do you have a sense of how deeply felt these ideals are? >> you know, just to add on to

what sam was saying, if you go back to around the time that hillbilly elegy came out, really interesting artifact from that general. mac is a 10 talk that he gave, and in that ted talk, he talks about how he got out of the terrible situation that he was inim, and that we should be affording more chances to more kids like young jd ldvance to g a great education, reach the heights, aspire to the heights he had attained even at that point in his career and he is pretty explicit about the fact that he doesn't have policy solutions but he is posing questions and trying to start a conversation but does not have answers. i think by the time he reached his senate campaign,ese he had found some answers, whether or not they were earnestly held all the time, whether or not they were exaggerated outgrowths

of feelings or instincts that he already had, i cannot speak to that but there was definitely a period where he was searching for where he te wanted to land on these issues. >> well, he has landed in a very interesting place. jessica, sam, stick around. i have many more questions for you. thank you for the great reporting. it is a great read in this week's new yorker. thanks for your time tonight. sam, when we come back we are going to talk about the democratic the -- veep. . so that outland was from arizona in

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the good news is, harris has a deep bench to choose the

vice president from in her opponent has chosen jd vance. sam, where do you think we are in the horse race that is the democratic running mate contest? or do you think is at the top? >> well, it depends. obviously she needs to go for a somewhat moderate male white governor. as you can see on the shortlist there is only one female, gretchen whitmer. what's interesting is we had a piece from someone who made the case that kamala harris would be better off going with a male, that this is, to be crude about it, an election that has a lot of masculinity undertones to it and that she should not

ignore that. that being said, i talked to operatives who think it would make sense to go with witmer because it would create this incredible contrast almost like leaning into what you know your opponent is going to target. they're going to go after harris on immigrants and just lean into it like how clinton chose gore but at this junction the betting money is on the governor or kelly who is getting a lot of buzz because obviously is from arizona and has been not too subtle about trying to pick fights with jd vance. >> that is true. can we talk about jd vance? there is, i think bubbling discontent maybe from trump world over their choice. the more crazy bunkers tape is played of jd vance. do you think he is any risk here? >> no. i don't think he is at risk but i do think there's discontent in the inner trump orbit is not exhibiting that. they seem content with it but if you talk to republicans not too far outside of that, they would admit that this has been a rocky start. the convention

speech was a little bit low energy but it was fine. people in the crowd tend to like it but he has not really done much media. he did a show with don junior today which was a curious choice . did not expand the audience all that much but honestly what has happened is he has become almost name a fight but other are about cats and childless women creating this aura about him that is frankly, for lack of a better word, that he is weird and i think that's beginning to stick in one of the ways to get around it is to get out there publicly and do more media but he has been focusing on fundraising, mostly. >> all i got to say if the strategy