i'm guessing you all knew who i'd be picking as my mvps this week. the olympians in paris, all of drew. she got a chance to have a preview of the games hosted by nightly news kids hosted by my friend and colleague, lester holt . >> happening right here on the river with both carrying over 10,000 athletes across the river with fans all over watching. more than 300,000 people are expected to line up along the river to see the athletes from over 200 countries, to get ready for the olympics, paris is being completely transformed with new stadiums and arenas, like a beach volleyball court under the eiffel tower, swimming and gymnastics, track and field, that is not all.

>> i told you she was a gold medalist. remember, catch all of the action from the olympics streaming on peacock and across nbc. it is going to be an extraordinary next two weeks, go team usa. on that note, i wish you all a fantastic and winning night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i will see you at the end of monday. earlier this week, we brought you the news of how on sunday night, after president biden dropped out of the race, the activist group, men with black women, literally almost broke zoom. organizing a call with 44,000 people to make sure kamala harris wins the white house this november. in 24 hours, that one zoom call raised $1.5 million for the harris campaign. at 44,000 people, the call was about 1000 people short of the

world record for the biggest zoom call ever. the world record held another four days but it was broken last night. last night, an event called, white women answer the call, held their own zoom to organize for kamala harris inspired by sunday's win with black women call. that zoom took the previous world record for biggest zoom call and blew it out of the water. more than 160,000 people attended that zoom call and even more people watched the zoom simulcast on other platforms. as of today, that zoom has raised $8.5 million for the harris campaign. those two calls were not the only ones for kamala harris this week. on monday, more than 20,000 people joined win with black men, it raised 1.3 million, wednesday, 10,000 people joined south asians

people for women zoom raising $250,000. on thursday, another 20,000 people joined the human rights campaign out for kamala harris lgbtq+ call. they raised more than $300,000. remember, this week started with the news that kamala harris raised a record $81 million in her first 24 hours as a candidate. the fact these resumes were still getting people to donate, even after that surge of cash, is not nothing. maybe, more importantly, these calls all encourage people to get active, to volunteer. that message seems to be working. yesterday, the harris campaign reported in just the past week, the campaign has seen 170,000 people volunteer. those are just incredible numbers. while this huge show of support and surge of cash

may be making the trump campaign nervous, it is a good bet the celebrity names involved in all of this are probably annoying donald trump himself. mindy kaling, john legend, george takei, megan rapinoe, connie britton, pink, bona fide celebrities showed up on zoom calls to support kamala harris. not to mention, vice president harris is also making a cameo on the finale of the rupaul drag race tonight. remember, beyonce lent her campaign one of her beyonce songs, which has been used in the first harris campaign video. just as a reminder, trump's big names at the rnc work hulk hogan and kid rock. speaking of a-listers, today, vice president harris got the most important endorsement of them all. >> kamala.

hey . >> you are both together, it is good to hear you both. >> i cannot have this phone call without saying to my girl, i am proud of you, this is going to be historic. >> we call to say, michelle and i could not be prouder to endorse you, do everything we can to get you through the election and into the oval office. >> oh my goodness. >> we are not even a week, not even a week into the harris for president campaign and already, the vice president has effectively cleared the field of any potential challengers. she has begun batting possible running mates and she launched an incredibly successful digital and rapid response campaign that it has basically made her queen of the internet. a week ago, the biggest discussion in politics revolved around the idea of the double haters, double haters who did not like trump or biden and how nearly one in five americans did not want either man. today, the double hater

phenomenon appears to have disappeared. less than a week into this campaign, it feels like we are living in an entirely different political landscape. yesterday, the new york times and siena college came out with polling showing kamala harris in a statistical tie would donald trump, trailing him by one point within the margin of error among likely voters nationwide. to put that in perspective, trump led biden by six points in that same poll earlier this month. today, the wall street journal released its own poll showing effectively the same thing. the poll shows trump ahead of harris by two points with a margin of error of three points. so a statistical tie. for context, trump led biden by six points in that same poll earlier this month. this sunday marks one week

since president biden officially dropped out of the race. it will also be the 100 day mark , 100 days will be left until the election. vice president harris has had an unbelievably good first week and at the national level, the excitement for her candidacy as a sounding area -- astounding. but, this election is likely to come down to a few 100,000 voters in a few key swing states, chief among them are pennsylvania and michigan. the latest polling we have out of pennsylvania shows joe biden down three points, the latest polling out of michigan showed joe biden down by seven points. but this is kamala harris' race now so how is she doing? joining me are michigan state senator mallory mcgwire and pennsylvania state representative malcolm kenyatta, a member of the national advisory board for what was the biden/harris

campaign and also a candidate for statewide office and running to be pennsylvania's auditor general. thank you for joining me. i'm so eager to get the view from two of the most important states from two incredibly useful and wise strategists, if you will. mallory, you were on the white women for harris, i think it was called, white women answer the call zoom that broke the internet and the world record, can you talk a little bit about what that was like before we get to the nitty-gritty of michigan? >> it was wild. i think the people may not notice, it happened completely organically, you pointed to the first call being the win with black women call and there has always been this knock on white women, white women put donald trump in office and since 2016, certainly since the fall of roe, a lot of white women felt that this early, tweeted out, maybe it is our turn that tweet

took off, the founder of mom's demand action so she has a history of social media post taking off and turning into movements. then it was this outcrop moment, figure out how to make it work so shannon partnered with glenn and doyle, indivisible, had to work with zoom behind the scenes to bring engineers on to make sure that the call could handle more than 100,000 people, which they had never had. it was two hours of some of the most uplifting and supportive energy that i have felt in a long time with 160,000 people, many of whom have never done anything political before but felt this moment is the moment to come together, there are no more excuses for white women to sit it out and it is on this to change the trajectory of this race and to put the first woman, the first black woman, hopefully not the last woman,

into the white house. >> malcolm, i note you are also on one of the calls that took place this week, i think it was out for kamala harris, which was i think driven by the lgbtq+ community, can you talk a little bit about that and who was on that call? >> yeah, there were multiple calls last night, you had the out for kamala harris call led by hrc and victory fund, lambda , so many others in that space. he also had a call rochon robinson, alfonso. on both calls, part of what you saw were people being reminded of their own power, yes, there is no question kamala harris has been a partner in the most successful administration we have seen in living memory.

what kamala does so well, is to remind people of their power, you might remember she did tour called fight for your freedom on college campuses, talking to young people, not just about what is at stake in this election, i think all of us know what is at stake in this election. it is that little reminder that what you do matters. i love saying this because it is true, candidates don't win elections, you do, the folks watching the show right now who are asking the question, what is going to happen if we have somebody like donald trump in the white house, whose only economic vision is giving more tax cuts to the people who have memberships to mar-a-lago versus kamala harris, who wants to give a tax cut to hard- working americans. what is going to happen with healthcare? donald trump gets in and rolls back the cap on insulin at 35 bucks, the ability for medicare to negotiate drug prices, what

would happen if we had somebody like donald trump, who said to the nra, he does not want any gun laws versus kamala harris, her first speech as our presumptive nominee made it clear, she will fight for and win assault weapons ban. what is so inspiring about that call, people were just saying, we hope you figured out. people are saying, you know what, it is on us. it is on us. >> mallory, the citizen led engagement on this is not something we have seen in politics, to say nothing of specifically democratic party politics, in what feels like a really long time. i have to ask, talking about national calls, the fact of the matter is, the race will come down to the state level and what is happening on the ground in a state like yours. what can you tell me about michigan? i think the latest polling we have from michigan, about six months ago, that we use at msnbc had trump up by eight points. there is a pool of likely

michigan voters that has harris up one. i wonder if you can talk about the various constituencies in michigan and who was most electrified by the harris campaign and whether you see that changing the support she has in a critical state? >> certainly. michigan is pretty big, a state of 10 million people and a very diverse state biometrics. race, gender, sexual orientation, rural, urban, entire upper peninsula, second peninsula across the bridge and every challenge in between. there was polling that came out the day that the president announced he would not seek re- election earlier in the morning that actually showed he was down in metro detroit, which has never been the case for a democrat, certainly not the democratic incumbent. if that

were the case, the state would be gone. i can tell you, people have been stopping me out in public to let me know that they were scared over the last few weeks, they felt like momentum was falling away from us. coming from a place out of deep respect for the president, for everything this administration has accomplished and fearing that could be taken away. the shift in the past few days is nothing like i've ever seen, there are people organizing, i'm getting calls and texts from people that never donated to a campaign that are asking me, where do i find out how to do it, what is the real website, what is act blue? how do i tell my friends? i never had people proactively reach out to meet to ask to donate to a campaign. the energy is very real, every time i walk around, people feel like there is a clear contrast,

there is going back with donald trump to a place of grievance and relitigating 2020 and demonizing people or there is looking forward at who we can be and what we can be. it feels exciting and kamala does it better than anyone else, it feels fun i don't think we saw it about having fun in politics in a really long time and we need to. >> yeah, yeah. listen, i think everybody is acutely aware of the stakes of this election but to have joy in the battle is something that has been absent from politics for a while. malcolm, i have to ask as we talk about states that are widely diverse like michigan, pennsylvania is one of them. it seems like biden was having support among committees of color, especially metro urban areas, i wonder what you can tell us about the on the ground in pennsylvania and the black community? i want to ask, your governor josh shapiro has been

mentioned a lot as a potential running mate for harris, what you think that might do to harris' chances in your state? >> let me say this, the vice president certainly has injected a level of energy that is earth shattering into this process. what has been so exciting for me is seeing people not just asking about how to support the vice president's campaign, you are asking, how do we flip the senate, three seats away from flipping it, to expand the margin in the house? i'm running for auditor general statewide in pennsylvania, i'm on it 10 county, five date tour around the commonwealth. just for our own volunteers and digital fundraising, we have seen it go through the roof because people understand we have a country, democracy and a

future worth fighting for. when you have candidates who lay out like she did at that rally in wisconsin, a real vision for the future, canceling medical debt, continuing the progress on student loan forgiveness. as i mentioned, banning assault weapons, being the type of president that really puts people first, that is energizing . you're going to see, i believe, record turnout in philadelphia. let me just say, i spent two days in erie, we had people falling all over themselves asking how do they get signs, how do they get registered, how can they start knocking on doors? this weekend for democrats up and down the ballot. i think that speaks to the vision she is laying out so effectively and so quickly.

listen, the vice president has been vice president so she knows a thing or two about being vice president. josh shapiro is my friend, i think he would make an incredible vice president. we have gotten big things done in the commonwealth with his leadership, just past the largest investment in k-12 education in history, a bill that i worked on with my good friend, jessica, to deal with lowering the cost of prescription drugs. the list goes on and on, she wants a partner that helps her get stuff done, i think josh shapiro rises to the top of the list. i will say this, vice president harris does not need any of our advice, she will choose a governing partner and i'm excited to see she chooses. i'm so proud of how she is running this race and how she is encouraging every single voter to know that this democracy requires something if you too and you have a chance

to get involved. >> michigan state senator mallory mcmorrow and pennsylvania representative malcolm kenyatta, it is so great to hear from you. please come back, a lot more michigan and pennsylvania on the horizon. i appreciate your time this friday night. coming up, j.d. vance pours gasoline on the fire after his childless cat ladies remark let up the internet this week and said, i've not got nothing against cats. wrong answer, senator. but first, what effect will vice president harris at the top of the ticket have on senate and house democrats down the ticket? senate whisperer joins me coming up next. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. it's hard to run a business on your own. make it easier on yourself. with shopify, you

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forced this week to pivot. a memo from the senate republican campaign this week advises that candidates should not be shy about aggressively tying their opponents to kamala harris' extreme agenda. meanwhile, nbc news reports democrats down ballot for the most part sticking with their current strategy of focusing on local issues rather than national politics. while at the same time, hoping to benefit from the surge in money and volunteers harris has wrought up and down the ticket. joining me is former chief of staff for senators john fetterman and harry reid. there is no person i want to talk to you more than you about all of this i will note for people that do not know, the senate democratic campaign, the dsc c, had back to back million- dollar online funding fundraising days on july 21st, the day that biden dropped out and the following day, which is the two best fundraising days of the election cycle thus far. adam, do you think that is a

short-term halo effect of the excitement of the harris switcheroo, if you will? or do you think this change at the top of the ticket has the possibility of meaningfully changing or affecting democratic chances in the senate overall? >> i think it is more of the latter. money is money so if it comes in a rush all at once, and we don't have another major rush like this down the road, that is fine because that money is banked and you can use it as you will. those days that we have are pretty incredible, those are historic fundraising days that you rarely see. in this business. there is that. but i think there is a real sense the energy in the race has changed. i was listen to your previous guests discuss their own experiences in michigan and pennsylvania in down ballot races, seeing the renewed enthusiasm among voters and

volunteers for democrats, not just at the top of the ticket but up and down the ballot. that seems real. i think what we are seeing is, as incredible as president biden's record was, i think you will go down as one of history's greatest presidents, voters are demanding a different matchup, they did not want these two people, to have to choose between these two people again and they are getting that. not only are they getting a new option, there getting someone who is young, dynamic, who has an incredible record of her own to speak on and to advocate for and has shown in a few days an incredible ability to inspire people and make them feel like part of the process and make them feel like they have skin in the game, i think that is what you're seeing up and down the ballot. will it last? i think it probably will, i think it feels genuine. it has a little bit, i

hesitate to say this, i don't want to jinx it, there are 2008 vibes in the air and that feels very real. >> i do wonder whether you think it is meaningful enough to change dynamics. i would assume arizona and nevada, more diverse states, ruben gallego and jackie, it will help them, trying to bring those states back into the battleground category. what about places like ohio where sharad brown in uphill climb and jon tester in montana, do you think harris changes the race in those states? i will note, i believe in ohio sharad brown was up five points, trump was up seven points, 12 point spread. voters are giving democrats a benefit of the doubt, despite what they think about the democratic candidate, this is back when biden was running. >> the good news when it comes to senate races for democrats,

democrats were performing reasonably well across the board, even before we had a switch at the top of the ticket, even our toughest races the cycle in montana and ohio, sherrod brown is up in ohio and jon tester is up in montana. those are close and likely to close and get closer as november approaches. the fact they were already up suggests to me that what the harris effect we are seeing of increasing enthusiasm, increasing donations, increasing volunteer hours, is going to have a meaningful impact because what it does, it raises your floor, this polarized era that we have, it is hard for either side to drop below too low a floor if their base is engaged and energized. there were real questions previously about whether the democratic base was going to turn it in the numbers that we need to defeat donald trump, i think those questions have gone away. what harris has done is to

elevate that forward to the point where democrats will hit, expecting polarized environment. in a state like ohio and montana, you need to do better than democrats sort of go to vote share because democrats generally lose in those states. then you have incredibly talented and well-respected politicians like sherrod brown, jon tester, who have really defined their own profiles as separate in certain ways from the national party, in ways that define them to the voters of their state. when you put those together, you put the more heterodox profiles of people like jon tester and sherrod brown together with massive voter enthusiasm among the democratic base, that is a winning combination.

>> do you, i would assume, correct me if i'm wrong, in places like arizona ruben gallego is up three points even though trump was up six, nine point spread between the republican and democrat, jacky rosen, in nevada, is up five points, trump is up 30. biden is losing but the democrats on these two tickets are winning. the entrance of harris into the race is only going to help cement the democratic victory, do you think that is overly confident to say that in arizona and nevada or is that on the money? >> you never want to get too confident, all of our elections recently decided by incredibly close margins. arizona is always going to be a tough state, nevada is always going to be a tough state, i know this from linux variance there. democrats usually pull it out there but it comes down to the wire and is decided by 15,000, 20,000 votes in the end are these guaranteed victories? absolutely not. have our chances improved,

absolutely yes. i think one of the things vice president harris does for democrats is she opens up more paths to victory. we were having legitimate issues with face motivation, we were seeing falloff among nonwhite voters who were peeling off either through lack of enthusiasm or genuine motivation to track and i think she fixes those problems. >> adam jentleson, please come back, i need to hear more. don't let me get too overconfident. i appreciate your time tonight, my friend. thanks for joining me. we have much more to get to including new details on the search for democratic running mate. here's a hint, the list is getting shorter. who is on it? the new york times joins me to talk about trump's attempts to defeat kamala harris using immigration and a whole lot of racism, that is next.

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"nasty". windows have not worked, they have done with, radical left lunatic. none of it is really minding. today, the trump campaign upped the ante with its first attack ad about the u.s./mexico border. >> kamala harris has been put in charge of trying to figure out the root causes, why all the people from central america come here. >> overall, we are seeing progress. >> reporter: lincoln riley, her killer came to the country illegally . >> illegally murdered accused of killing mother and son while driving drunk. >> undocumented immigrant convicted of rape. >> undocumented immigrant in ohio -- >> reporter: during his opinion columnist for the new york times, thank you for being here, that ad goes on, we are playing the most xenophobic moments of that ad, it ties harris to what happened at the border, her lack of when she

did not visit the border, her sort of awkward answers about not having visited the border and effectively tries to tie her to all of the problems the country faces on its broken immigration system. i wonder your vantage point, what is the right way for democrat to answer an ad like this? >> i think at this point, the right way for democrat to answer that is to first point out it is disgusting, even the clips that you show, not only xenophobic but the kind of language and use of political rhetoric designed to encourage violence against other people, it is despicable and thank you for saying that, you can say there's a problem with the border, you can say we have to get immigration system in order, you can also say we don't demonize people like this, charge a large group of people with the sins of a few.

the biden/harris administration can say they negotiated a border bill trying to invest money try to secure the border more and donald trump was not just opposed to the bill but with the republicans to oppose the bill. you can point out that trump himself wants to use this more as a political football and less as something that actually solves the problem. that would be my approach, kind of moral and ethical thing, this kind of language is disgusting and also, this guy does not actually care about the problem . >> what you think about the fact that the white house today released official border crossing numbers and after president biden's executive action in june effectively shutting down the border, we are seeing the lowest amount of border crossings since the pandemic? is that something? in one world,

one would think that is the rebuttal kamala harris should offer donald trump. in the other, does that not feed on the idea of, the anti-immigrant sentiment, which has come to purvey, there is not a lot of talking in the democratic party about the fact that immigrants are the backbone of the american economy. >> right. i think, unfortunately, democrats are in a tough spot. the public does believe there is an issue at the border and the kind of harsh, zero- tolerance approach is both rhetorically easier to go for, as trump has demonstrated. i think the sentiments of a lot of americans, i think for democrats, recognizing they will never go that far, they will never go as far as actively demonizing people, they can put forth, this is what we have done, this is what republicans have stood in the way of doing area irrespective how you feel

about the border, we should not demonize people like this. >> you touch on, immigration essential to the american project and you have done utile for writing about what this moment tells us about the notion of expulsion, i will read an excerpt from one of your writing in the times earlier this summer, needless to say, you're right, the politics of expulsion are still with us and worse, the renewed vitality of liberalism in american life is opened new space for brought efforts to remove those americans who don't fit the illiberal vision of the nation. at the largest scale as donald trump's plan, should he win the white house a second time, to remove up to 20 million people suspected of unauthorized entry . if carried out, this would be one of the largest force displacements of a population in human history meant to cleanse the united states of people who the former president says are poisoning the blood of our country. at the rnc, there were people in the audience hope -- holding

up signs that said, mass deportation now, it seems no matter how in the defense democrats and vice president harris feel they are in immigration, it is incumbent upon them to push back on these politics of expulsion and draconian plans donald trump and his supporters have for a large population in this country. >> i think that is right, i think part of pushing back on this will have to be actually telling in explicit terms what this means. i think when we pool the typical person to ask them, deporting illegal immigrants are like a good idea, sure. you need to impress upon people, the campaign does, we need to, those of us in the media have to impress upon people what it means in prep this. first of all, there are not 20 million unauthorized immigrants in the united states, the highest estimates are 10 million

. right there, if trump is a novel removed 20 million people from this country, that means 10 million legal residents and citizens as well. that means his vision and division of stephen miller, his aides, that means border patrol, i.c.e. , cooperating law enforcement agencies going neighborhood to neighborhood, house to house, door-to-door looking for people, not really asking questions. if you're trying to round up people, toss them into the back of the truck. they want to build detention camps near the border, there is another term for that kind of detention camp. they want to build detention camps so they can get the people they rounded up, throw them into detention camps and deport them with very little to no due process. that is not just a scary vision, that is a fundamentally anti-american vision. that is what we imagine in movies about dystopian societies. i think making it clear to people is one of the most important steps we have to take. these plans are serious and

they would mean mass human suffering. >> yeah, i've got to say, mass deportations now does not seem like an issue that swing voters and moderates and independents are looking to support in the coming election so go for it, kamala harris. jamelle bouie, thank you for your time this friday night, my friend. it is great to have you. still ahead tonight, j.d. vance sparked national outrage this week over remarks he made in 2022 about house cats and the women who raise them. today, j.d. vance had a chance to clarify to say that he has nothing against cats. that is next. did you know your skin barrier is more receptive to skincare at night? olay super serum night repair. delivers five benefits in one.

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[explosion] [explosion] ♪ [lock clicks shut] a resurfaced clip this week of trump's running mate j.d. vance and the democratic party is controlled by miserable childless cat ladies has been generating a lot of chatter and not good chatter. handmaid's tale chatter, according to the new york times. less than two weeks after trump named the first-term senator as his running mate, there is been a bunch of reporting this week republicans have buyers remorse about j.d. vance. which is perhaps why j.d. vance appeared at megyn kelly's serious fm radio show and doubled down on the radio that people that don't have kids, the whole cat lady thing, are exactly what is wrong with america. >> obviously, it was a sarcastic

comment, i have nothing against cats and dogs, people are focusing so much on the sarcasm and not the substance of what i actually said and the substance of what i said, i'm sorry, it is true. it is true we have become anti-family, the relationship you have with your family, that is what i think brings the most meaning to life his family, not all of these weird little accomplishments and degrees. >> j.d. vance chose not to retract his view that the democratic party is run by childless women who are all anti-family, j.d. vance would like to make the whole cat lady think part of the republican party platform. >> we cannot give up an inch on this, we are the profamily party, i think i want to keep us that way. they are creating an anti- family and anti-child society and i think it is important for republicans to fight back. >> vance's obsession with two crisping anti-child and anti-

family is not going unnoticed by the harris campaign, whose candidate, for the record, has both children and a family. the official harris campaign twitter account called vance weird and creepy . harris campaign surrogate and vice presidential short list are, arizona senator mark kelly believes that the whole cat lady thing is a reason to be concerned. >> mentioned that comment about childless cat lady, which is utterly ridiculous and obnoxious and wrong. what i really worry about is what he would do being one heartbeat away from the presidency. insurn with liberty mutual. let's fly! (inaudible sounds) chief! doug. (inaudible sounds) ooooo ah. (elevator doors opening) (inaudible sounds) i thought you were right behind me. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ what does a robot know about love?

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in terms of who she wants to run with, govern with, she will make that decision when she is ready based on the factors she thinks are the right ones. >> i've talked with her about winning in november, the process on vice president selection. >> this is not about me, i have always, when i've had the chance to serve, i think it is very important to do. >> two, nbc reports there are 12 names under consideration for the democratic vice presidential nomination. according to sources familiar with the campaign, vice president harris has whittled the list of vice president josh shapiro, roy cooper, senator mark kelly of arizona as the top contenders. joining me is a staff writer for the atlantic, it is great to see you, thank you for being here. i know you are disappointed there was not open convention for the top slot on the ticket, perhaps the fierce competition for the second slot is giving

you some solace. i wonder if it is inevitable this is a white man summer as far as it concerns kamala harris ' running mate >> i'm happy there is a bald guy named mark on the short list so i guess i'm a mark kelly guy. it is interesting, everything is happening in a condensed timeframe and it is kind of appropriate because the veep stakes stories drag on for months and they don't need to drag out, people operate from the same short list and i think kamala harris knows what she is probably looking for, what the other part of the ticket needs to look like. we will see, i think the decision will come close to the convention and will probably be something that propels her further beyond the initial honeymoon period she seems to be getting. >> reporter: the front runners josh shapiro, i will read excerpt from stefan shapiro, according to exit polls, shapiro

won 15% of voters that went for trump in 2020 and carried independents by 2-1, he ran ahead of biden by 10 points or more in half of the state's 67 counties including many traditionally republican areas. people say vice president can't make or break a ticket, in this moment, it seems like that kind of information is very, very relevant. >> those numbers certainly get your attention. typically in recent cycles, as a whole, that running mate state running mate model has been deemphasized because i think it is more about broader holistic message, sometimes you don't know what the demographics are you will appeal to. pennsylvania is so utterly important to the selection, shapiro is so dominant in those numbers. it obviously gives him a leg up. i would not completely sleep on kelly, also a guy like tim

walz, the governor of minnesota, if you watched him in recent days has given a very compelling message about first of all, going after the other side, he has a very folksy adult midwestern bearing about him that i think could couple very well. it seems like kamala harris has a pretty good field to choose from, the first rule of a running mate is do no harm, it looks like j.d. vance might be violating that first rule. it is an opportunity for kamala harris. >> reporter: when you find yourself having to repeatedly explain your comments about childless cat ladies in national media forums, i think it means you're losing. to the point of adding, national political reporter yourself, what is happening behind the scenes as she vets the candidates? there so little time and so much scrutiny, i imagine a lot of cloak and dagger happening right now, right? >> i think so, it is happening quietly and quickly. the

timeframe is condensed. what is also interesting is you wonder how closely j.d. vance was vetted by the other side. vetting these days is not so much getting a team of 30 lawyers, looking back over every single thing in your record. a lot of it is looking at social media, looking at interviews you have done. people like j.d. vance, i think the cat lady, was made to tucker carlson, you get very comfortable in these bubbles, not a lot of challenging goes on in these interviews. i think people fall into traps, not only do they say things they later regret, they don't apologize for them. i heard that megyn kelly comments from vance, i have nothing against cats, i assume it was a joke but it was actually something he said. part of being a good running mate is to know when you screw up and how to walk it back. that is not part of the ethic of the donald trump team at this point. >> i feel like the whole harris

, the development of the ticket, even the selection of a running mate is the case for having a shorter campaign cycle . she will be able to strategically choose someone who can help her in the areas she knows from polling are her weakest. >> it is true, we have heard this over and over again, since that debate and this has been seen as a possibility, we have been reminded their elections and a lot of democracies, england, france, that take a whole lot less time than we do, they even take a lot less time between now and the election. this can be done, there is no proof like the decisions are any worse, i think i would welcome that going forward. >> even that it would mean fewer mark leibovich stories. the man of many words, thank you for making the time, my friend. that is our show for tonight. it is time for that last word with jonathan capehart.