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>> they are, they told us, broken still, and always will be . and they clean now to amber's best friend, ashley and monica. >> our daughters, our adopted daughters, which are amber's friends through thick and thin. >> may have each named daughters after amber. and they hang onto memories like gold. >> it's like you have to put it in a box and just keep it there for safekeeping, because that's what you have. that is what you hold on to. it hurts. it hurts. life will never be what it was with her. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i am andrea canning, thank you for watching. for watching.
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hello, and welcome to "morning joe weekend" this saturday morning. dive into some newsmakers we had this week. hello, my fellow americans. it has been my privilege to serve this nation over years. know what nowhere else on earth can a kid with a stutter from pennsylvania one day sit behind the resolute desk in the oval office as president of the united states, but here i am. that is what is so special about america. it has been the honor of my life to serve as your president . but in the defense of democracy, which is at stake, i think it is more important that any title, i draw strength and find joy working for the american people. with these sacred task, perfecting our union, it is not about me, it is about you, your families, your futures. it is about we, the people. we can
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never forget that. and i never have. i made it clear that i believe america is at an inflection point, one of those rare moments in history, where the decisions we make now determine the fate of our nation, and the world for decades to come. i believe my record as president , my leadership in the world, my vision for america's future, all merit a second term, but nothing, nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy . that includes personal ambition. so, i decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to the next generation. it is the best way to unite our nation. you know, there is a time and a place for long years of experience in public life. there is also a time and a place for new voices, fresh voices, yes, younger voices.
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and that time and place is now. over the next six months, i will be focused on doing my job as president. that means, i will continue to lower the costs for hard-working families, grow our economy, i will keep depending defending our personal freedoms and civil rights, from the right to vote, to the right to choose. i will keep calling out hate and extremism, making clear there is no place, no place in america for political violence, or any pilot ever, period. i'm going to keep speaking out to protect our kids from gun violence, our planet from climate crisis, an existential threat. i will keep fighting for cancer , so we can end cancer as we know it until we can do it. i will call for supreme court reform, because this is critical to our democracy, supreme court warm.
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i will keep working to ensure america remains strong, secure, and the leader of the free world . >> and the president just posted moments ago, i draw strength and find joy in working for the american people, but the sacred task of affecting our union is not about me, it is about you, it is about we, the people. we can never forget that, and i never have. microparticle, take us inside the human side of this feature, as the president really gave anyone watching last night jason , that it is up to you america. i have set out the vision for democracy to survive, and now, it is time to pass the baton. >> mika, nowhere else on earth can a kid with a stutter from scranton, pennsylvania and claimant delaware, from modest
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beginnings sit behind the resolute desk as president of the united states, and yet here i am. that was joseph. biden last night, the president of the united date. there was no bitterness, no resentment, no self pity in his voice or in his presentation. his family that to the left of the resolute desk. his wife and his children, as he gave that address, as he walked history. and history these days doesn't like a clock, it moves like a stopwatch, it is so fast. the speed of history is frightening sometimes. and he is now a part of history, always will be. he spoke with his family right there, but part of it seemed to me that he was speaking to the american family as well.
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he asked the question during the course of his speech, does character and public life still matter? i would submit that it does, and i would submit that last night, we saw a portrait of character in the president of the united states. and going forward, i think his place in history is well healed by his presidency, by the accomplishments of his presidency, by his withdrawal from the presidency. you can only imagine how difficult it is for anyone to give up such power. we can't really imagine it, because we have never held power in our hands the weight the president of the united states does. we have seen what happens when a president misuses power. we have seen what happens when a sitting president refuses to cede power. now, america has been given an object lesson in character and history by a land man, here i
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am, joe biden behind the resolute desk, feeding power. >> and that is strength, by the way, to those who misunderstand what that words mean. let's bring in staff writer at "the new yorker." writing about biden's farewell, as well as kamala harris's entrance into the race, moment, really. she is now by far the younger candidate that is for sure lined up against donald trump. and donald trump, susan, stepped up his attacks against kamala harris yesterday. we will show some of that in just a bit. your thoughts on the peace everything about this incredible moment in history. >> i know, what a taking week. the problem is that history moves so quickly. it is hard to remember only a week ago was the republican convention in the shadow of trump's assassination attempt. i talked to somebody the other day who said, enough with the unprecedented, how about a
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little president now? president biden's showed the extent to which donald trump still hangs over our politics. in many ways, biden became president in 2020 because he was the democratic candidate who must clearly articulated the threat from donald trump. and now, using that his own party essentially pushed him aside was because they no longer believe that he was the one that could be donald trump. and it is again the trump factor. i noted that in a valley right before biden's address last night, donald trump was back to his sharp, attacking ways, practically laughing at the people who claimed last week without any real basis that he was going to be reformed, and a kinder, gentler version of himself. he said basically, forget about that, i'm going to be a little bit not nice. i'm going to the not nice. this is
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when we can take him at his word, mika. the race to define kamala harris is on. i think the attack will be enormous. it is going to be nasty. and she has a very short window to define herself. >> yeah, why don't we take a look, here is donald trump on the campaign trail in charlotte, north carolina yesterday, focusing on kamala harris. take a look. >> you know, i was supposed to be nice. they say, something happened to me when i got shot i became life. and when you are dealing with these people, they are very dangerous people, when you're dealing with them, you can't be too nice yourself. if you don't mind, i'm not going to be nice, is that okay? so now, we have a new victim to defeat, lying kamala harris. one of the country, the president of the country, i know every one of them.
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they are very smart people, very sharp, at the top of their game. our guy was not at the top, this one, she never could be. by the way, lousy students, failed her law exams. she could not pass her bar exams. lying, kamala is also a term radical on a word called-- you know this, right, a word called abortion. she refuses to go to -- netanyahu is in washington, she refuses to go. even if you are against israel, you are against the jewish people, show up and listen to the concept, but she is totally against the jewish people. kamala wants to pass laws to outlaw red meat to stop climate change. you know what that means? that means no more cows. you know it is serious. this means no more cows, i guess eventually, it will be no
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more people. she should not be allowed to run for president for what she has done. she is committing crimes. you're not going to teach a criminal not to be a criminal, just not going to happen. [ laughter ] >> just to clarify, of course her husband, doug, is jewish, doug imhoff, her husband is jewish. she married a jewish dude. yeah, so, she is not against the jewish people. she married a jewish guy. she is seeing benjamin netanyahu. i think she is meeting with benjamin netanyahu later today. i love this whole idea that the vice president of the united states is stupid. again, here is somebody who is an attorney, a prosecutor, the elected
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attorney general of the biggest state in america, fourth largest economy in the world, u.s. senator elected from that same state, just like she was elected as attorney general in the state of california, and i just-- eddie cloud, it is kind of laughable when you talk about stupidity, pointing at kamala harris when you have donald trump talking yesterday about how bad america was. america was-- what did he say? america is a stupid country. everybody is stupid, i guess. america is a stupid carpet country, despite the fact that we have the strongest economy, strongest text sector, we are going to dominate ai. i could go down the list. not really stupid. we are
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dominating the world in every way you want to dominate the world economically, militarily, politically, culturally, you name it. so, three things here we heard, one, america is a stupid country, two, if kamala harris is elected, there will be no more clout cows, and three, if, harris is elected, there will be no more people. and he got cheers for that, i don't really know what else to say. >> joe, i don't think the historian richard hofstadter had this in mind when he talked about anticlericalism in america. >> taking it a step further, isn't it? >> this is beyond that, no more people, joe. how do you respond to those sorts of claims? how do you respond to that kind of lyrical performance? i don't know, it is pure practical, pure performative. how do you respond to that? you state your position, you
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state your position clearly, dismissed the foolishness, what the position is. you might even call it bullishness. at the end of the day, i want to go back to something as i was taking about my wrist wants to president biden's remarks in the oval office yesterday and i think about this in donald trump, i am working on this new book, joe, and the question, what happens to the american idea when the future is no longer available to it, because the past has followed everything up? we are so nostalgic about what has gone on before. we want to reach for something in the past. what joe biden did last night, no matter what you think about his policies, or whatever, whether you disagree with him or not, he gave us the future back. right? as a gen x, i never think baby boomers are going to give up anything. i think they are the greatest generation america has ever produced, that is my view, but they won't move out of the way. it is who they are, and joe
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biden gave up the most power position in the world last night. he is going to be president of the next six months, but for some reason, came into view for a moment, and you just oppose that again the rapidity of what we heard, and what we are hearing from donald trump, there will be no more people, joe. >> no more cows. and americans are dumb, a dumb place. that would be a surprise. again, for people who hate america, you've got to get tired of watching the show when i tell you how strong our economy is relative to the rest of the world, strongest military relative to the rest of the world since 1955. we are so stupid as a nation that 19 of the top 25 colleges and universities on the planet are here in the united states of america. again, we are
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stronger now than ever before. we are stronger now than ever imagined going in to. and this is all hard data. this is not opinion. opinion is the misinformation and garbage that is spewed from russia, spewed from china, viewed from iran. the misinformation about the united states of america's greatness. and it is crazy to me that one party has picked it up and run with it as much as they have. "morning joe weekend" will be right back. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? her credit's golden. hello new apartment.
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in this election, we each face a question, what kind of country do we want to live in? there are some people who think we should be a country of chaos, of fear, of hate. but
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us, we chose something different . [ crowd chanting ] we choose different. the freedom not just to get by, but get ahead, the freedom to be safe from gun violence. the freedom to make decisions about your own body. we choose a future where no child lives in poverty, where we can all afford healthcare, where no one is above the law. we believe in the promise of america and we are ready to write for it, because when we fight, we win. so join us, go to kamala harris.com and let's go for it.
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joining us now, the president and ceo of naacp, derek johnson. it's great to have you on the show this morning. talk about the history of this campaign and also what is at stake. >> so, i am glad to hear that ed . messages of hope we need. we choose colleges-- policies on things that make us better. and we talk about the individual who is the most qualified person on the ballot. in 2020, the american public chose to look forward, not backwards. they chose to create a society that was more inclusive, and kamala harris was a part of that battle. i am also proud to note that she is a person that can live in her identity and not allow other-- to be uncomfortable because of her identity. that is what we should celebrate as america. the naacp, we do our part so we endorse, but we also recognize our fight to cope without hate
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is one that is directly tied to the choices that we make in november, because the rise in hate we have seen under the past administration was a threat not only to the african american community, a threat to all americans, the jewish community, latino community all across the board. we choose rita is a forward- looking message and i am that they collated on a hope message. >> good morning, this is eddie glaude, good to see you. let me ask a two part question, one, how will she address black men as voters, since we are talking about the poll data that shows a large percentage of black men were leaning toward donald trump, and two, what does the campaign need to do in order to get that record turnout that can literally change the electoral map? do we think we can get those numbers going back to 2008? i have never seen any poll that shows black men leaning toward donald trump. i have seen black men want their horses heard. i do understand the concern of black
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men, i happen to be one. so, it is important for her campaign to talk about how african americans, how black men, how americans would be empowered, how will they be included. project 2025 is the real signal here. it goes beyond, the people goes to the policy. policies we should be concerned about our, will we have an america that will recognize all of us and our uniqueness and our genius, or will we have a country that continues to authorize certain parts of the population? i think she understands, because she has been seen as an other, but in fact, she should be seen as a part of our genius . because what she brings to the table is the type of insight we need in a leader in this nation. >> mr. johnson, what do you do, what does the naacp do, what do we all do to fix ourselves to
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restrain ourselves from combating wildfire of racism and sexism that will surely arrive in this campaign, much of it aimed at the vice president? >> we all have to look at the same direction. we have to also give one another a little room to appreciate our uniqueness, our different. that is what is making our country great, despite the fear modeling we have seen. you can recall, there was a week of terror in this country under the past administration. a walmart was attacked, latino communities in a mass shooting, a few days later a kroger attack in kentucky targeting the african american community. the very next day, a synagogue, pittsburgh mass shooting. we should not be looking to go backwards. that only happened because you had someone in the white house of game license to a level of hatred and people carry it out.
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we need a leader that brings us together, gives a message of hope, and lead into the public policies that solve the problems , and really have an inclusive society. project 2025 takes us away from that. what this campaign should represent is a way for us come together and continue to be a leading nation. next, kentucky governor and a sheer joint the show, is reported to be on the short list to become vice president harris's running mate. we will talk to him. him. not every decision you make will be as good as getting a volkswagen at the savvy vw summer sales event. 2024 volkswagen models cost less to maintain than honda. get 1.9% apr financing or a $2500 customer bonus on a new 2024 tiguan.
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joining us now is the democratic governor of the state of kentucky, and a share. thank you for being with us. your reaction to the news that came down yesterday of president biden to the side, and kelly, the endorse kamala harris at the top of the ticket? >> thank you for having me this
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morning. i want to thank president biden for being a phenomenal president . he led us out of a pandemic faster than we have ever seen. he showed up in kentucky after disasters and has helped us rebuild. he has helped us build the best economy in our history, building the two largest battery plants on planet earth, the cleanest recycle paper mill we've ever seen, creating jobs all over kentucky, and providing the funding to run internet access to every home and every business. his decision, i know, was hard, but it is going to secure his legacy that i believe historians are going to say what a great presidency. with that, i am excited to fully endorse vice president kamala harris for the next president of the united states. the vice president is smart, and strong, which will make her a good resident president, but
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she is also kind and has empathy, which can make her a great president. and the contrast, between her and those running on the other side could not be clearer. as a prosecutor, as an attorney general, like i used to be, she prosecuted rapist, domestic abusers, stood and put away those abusers. now, look at the other side, where j.d. vance calls you see a rising from rape inconvenient. no, it is just plain wrong. he suggests that women should stay in abusive relationships. listen, a domestic abuser is not a man, he is a month for --monster. no one should support anyone having to stay in those relationships. the vice president is ready. she has my full endorsement. i will do everything i can to support her. >> some news this morning. full endorsement from governor andy beshear for vice
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president at the top of the ticket. as you know, governor, because of your record of being elected and reelected as a democrat in the state of kentucky which donald trump won by 26 points, people are very interested in you and your future in politics. has anyone reached out to you from the new harris campaign about the potential for being the vice presidential candidate, her running mate? >> i don't know how that process is going to work. it is flattering to be a part of it. i think it is a complement to what we have done in kentucky. what we have done in kentucky is what we need to do in this country, it, beyond the partisanship, the constant arguing, get beyond neighbors at yelling at other neighbors just because of the box they checked with a registered to vote. we need to turn the temperature down, and recognize that the most important things to our families, like a good job, healthcare, safe infrastructure, public safety, public education, none of those are partisan at all. if we work hard every single day to make progress in those areas, we
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help all of our citizens, not just immigrants, not just republicans. this country has gotten to a boiling point, where we just have to move past it. we have got to move to something better, we have got to get back to being americans, not members of a political party. i believe that vice president will win this election. she will move us in that direction, that is why i am very cited to provide my full endorsement to her. >> so then, governor, would you be open to the possibility of being a running mate to vice president kamala harris? >> let me say, i love my job. i love serving the people of kentucky. the only way i would consider something other than this current job is if i believed i could further help my people and help this country. i also think, whether i am asked for that or not, it is important to be out there contrasting the vice president
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and those she is running against. i believe her record is one of ending up for people, is fighting for the american people , and the record on the other side is just fighting for themselves. >> so, as vice president, you undoubtedly would be able to help your people, are you at least open to the possibility of being a running mate to vice president harris? >> i think if someone calls you on that, what you do is at least listen. i want the american people to know what a kentuckian is and what they look like. let me just tell you that j.d. vance eight from here. the nerve that he has to call the people of kentucky, of eastern kentucky, lazy. listen, these are the hard-working coal miners that powered the industrial revolution, that created the strongest middle class the world has ever seen, power goes through two world wars, we should be thanking them, not calling them lazy. today was an opportunity to
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both support vice president, also to stand up were my people . nobody calls us names, especially those of us that have worked hard for the betterment of this country. >> governor, you have been able to win election in a state that overwhelmingly went for donald trump. with that in mind, which is among the messages from the democratic team, whether you are on it or not him as he tries to paint this contrast with donald trump? >> what we have got to do is have a message for everyone. what we see from former president from our division. trying to rile one up against others. my date tells me that is wrong. the golden rule is, we love ourselves-- neighbors as we love ourselves. the good book says, everyone is our neighbor. how about a message that can move us past boiling point in our country? how about we focus on things that matter most people when they wake up in the morning?
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when people wake up in the morning, they are thinking about their job, whether they make enough money to support their family, their thinking about their next doctor's appointment for themselves, their kids, the roads and bridges they will drive on that day. they are thinking about public safety in their community and they are thinking about schools they drop their kids off at. that is what most people worry about and if we can't set it that, they don't get to whatever issue the date is in washington, d.c. the message ought to be, i am in this to build a better life for everyone, not just democrats, not just republicans. i run as a proud democrat, but the moment i became attorney general and governor, i took that at all and i served every sense of my commonwealth. that is why in reelection, i was reelected by my five percentage points, the eighth democrat in kentucky, that's like 30 anywhere else. i think people saw i am and how hard i was trying. whether you voted for me or not, i wanted to make your life better. coming up, steve ratner
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project 2025, the 920 page policy manifesto by the conservative group, the heritage foundation, highlights a wish list of economic and
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financial plans under a potential from second term. trump hasn't said he doesn't know anything about project 2025, he says he doesn't know anything about it. we did a segment recently with nbc's von hilliard, showing how connected to it he actually is, even if he denies it. proposals include higher taxes and lower income americans, increase student loan payments, and major cuts to medicaid. steve ratner has made him his way to the wall for financial implications of project 2025 and steve, your first chart shows there will be higher taxes on the less well off. tell us about it. >> sure, mika. taxes are perhaps issue number one on the vine of many americans. project 2025 is very clear about what it wants to do. it essentially wants to restructure our tax system into two tax brackets, 15% for those
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earning less than social security maximum, about $166,000 a year, 30% for those earning above. that would dramatically change how much americans pay. it would increase the amount that people making less than 100 $50,000, less than that cut off a, they would pay more taxes . people above the wealthy would pay dramatically less taxes. if you earn $400,000 a year, you will get a tax cut of about $14,000. an extraordinary shift in the text burden away from the wealthy, toward the less wealthy. this is an even more extreme version of what in his tax bill, the tc ja tax cuts built back in 2017 or so. you can see the impact of that was similarly regressive in that people at the bottom got a much smaller percentage increase in their tax cuts and people at
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the top got a much larger tax cut. 85% of this tax bill with to people making more than $75,000, or to businesses. essentially, what this proposal would do is take this and put it on their roads. >> so, steve, the biden administration's attempt to actually lessen the student loan burden really enraged republicans. in fact, whenever you bring out january 6th, it seems that a lot of republicans go well, look what joe biden did with student loans, and they were serious. that is sad, but they were serious. this project 2025 thing actually is going to increase the burden on people with student loans, right? >> so joe biden did make a bunch of proposals. some of them got litigated and
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overturned, but they found other ways, which i will talk about in a second to address student loan burden. what project 2025 would, essentially eliminates all of what the biden administration did to cut the burden of student loans. this is down by education, all the way from some college but no degree, through masters program. in terms of the monthly student loan payments, for the people at the bottom, their monthly average student loan payments would go from 78 to $308, a huge increase for those with very little college, people who probably don't have great jobs, and for whom this is a big burden, and smaller increases, but still substantial all the way to people who have masters degrees. completely wiping out everything the biden administration has done for the last three and half years. let me show you what impact of what the biden administration has done. we all know that student loan debt has been a huge problem and has gone up, and up, and up
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for students, and this is even inflation adjusted, and it went up under trump here for the first time at least since 2007, student loan debt per borrower has gone down for 3 straight years, still really high. you can actually see tangible progress made under the biden administration in reducing that student loan burden. >> and so, we are talking about higher student loans, we are talking about higher tech for working-class americans. finally, let's talk about the impact it will have. there used to be this idea that medicaid, that goes to poor people living in urban mac areas. and what a lot of americans have figured out since medicaid cuts have come, no, it's actually-- that's money that actually funds rural hospitals. that is money that phones nursing homes. that is money that one a lot of medical care,
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a lot of medical treatment for americans of all demographics, all parts of america. donald trump-- i mean if he really does embrace 2025, like said in the past, he will support more massive cuts to medicare and medicaid. >> you're right, joe, medicaid i think there is something like 90 million people on medicaid in america, 30 million children. you are right, it is not some urban program to poor people. what project 2025 wants to do is put limits on how long can stay on medicaid, effectively kick people off medicaid, put in work requirements, put in a whole lot of restrictions that would dramatically change the number of people on medicaid. this map shows you by color coding the darker colors being the worst hit places, what share of enrollees could lose
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medicaid. in virginia and wisconsin, idaho, you could be talking about 40 to 50% of people being kicked off of medicaid. in every state, pretty much, you can see it is anywhere from 10% up to 40%, all the way across the country. it would be a massive change in a program that as you said, is absolutely essential to our healthcare center, the lives of so many people who can't afford their own healthcare. it is also a question politically of whether this is really a great idea for the republicans to embrace, because medicaid is actually extraordinarily popular. not surprisingly, it is supported by 90% of democrats, versus only eight who have an unfavorable view of it. even among republicans, 65% of republicans think favorably about medicaid and only 32% think unfavorable about medicaid. it is terrible policy, it also made the terrible politics for
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republicans to embrace proposals like this. >> particularly terrible if you look at the map in states like virginia, wisconsin, and obviously important states for this election. thank you so much, steve ratzinger at the southwest wall, they tell us that is the southwest wall. greatly appreciated. next on trent eight john beauchamp talks about the historical significance of joe biden passing the rain to, harris in the presidential election. meet the jennifers. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan.
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20% off at subway welcome back. let's bring in roger's chair of the american university john beauchamp. he occasionally advises president joe biden on historical matters and nature pieces. he has a piece in the "new york
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times" entitled, quote, joe biden, my friend and the american hero. interesting is your take as a friend of joe biden, advisor to joe biden, also as historian of where this is in american history. >> we are commemorating here a remarkable act of political sacrifice, self-sacrifice by a man of great grace, and a president of great consequence. understandably, we are talking about what happens now. that is what the republic does, that is what democracy does. it is an organic thing. it is at risk, and it is vital. as mika said, we stand for the constitution, rule of law and kind of decency and dignity that president biden bodied. let's take that moment and recognize that the president of the united states just did something that is counterintuitive to human nature, and particularly counterintuitive to the human nature of a politician. there is an old tennessee
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senator from my state who said that the only true cure for political ambition is involving fluid. what you have here is someone who did assess reality, as he often says, he respects fate, one would, given the arc of his life, which is actuated by great victory, amidst achievement, and immense tragedy . i think this is a president we people like me look back, we will look at someone who stepped into the breach in 2020, who defended democracy. think about it, in many ways me the biden presidency began january 6, 2021. and it was a moment where-- remember how eerily empty the capitol was, once the protesters, the rioters , the insurrectionist were gone, he stood in that strangely still quiet west front to step
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into a moment that in which democracy itself was under the greatest since it had been since er had been there in 1933 and before that, since abraham lincoln had been there, on the other side of the capitol in 1861. that is not overly grant. that is not hyperbolic, as president biden would say, it is, i think, a cold eye assessment of the reality of the history of the moment. president biden stepped in and he didn't history-- bit history in what i would argue and what most folks would agree-- you can disagree with policy details, with the emphasis here or there, but by god, the american consensus in which we actually recognize and respect each other fundamentally our together enough to try to make it a more perfect union. we are
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welcome back to morning joe weekend. we have a new hour of the best conversations from the past week in case you missed them. take a look. there's a stark contrast. one of the frustrations we heard from democrats after the debate is that joe biden did not respond to the multitude of lies and the misinformation and outright distortions donald trump was telling the american people. and it actually turned off a lot of independents and swing voters. in this case you listen to what he saying now. let's take some of the weaker issues for the biden-harris campaign and now the harris campaign. let's talk about illegal immigration because that's something donald trump loves to talk about. of course, he killed the toughest, most conservative border security bill in the past 30 years because he said passing it would actually hurt him politically. he would rather fit mill, illegal immigrants, terrorists, stream across the border for another year for his own
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political gain. that's one. two, let's talk about inflation. america remains the envy of the world. why? one of the reasons is post- covid our inflation rate has come down. it's now down at manageable levels in the fed is talking about possibly cutting interest rates coming up. why wouldn't they cut interest rates? because the u.s. economy is so strong. the wall street journal and other news publications reporting this morning that the u.s. economy grew once again at a rapid rate. grew at 2.8% pace in the second quarter. much more than expected. the strength and the resilience of the u.s. economy continues to be the wonder of the world. and yet you have donald trump attacking joe biden as one of the worst presidents in history?
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like, on what level? militarily? the military is stronger than ever before relative to the rest of the world. economically we are stronger relative to the rest of the world at any time in 40 years. he was stronger -- the u.s. dollar stronger. jobs have grown at a fast rate than any time in the past 40 years. it's good news across the board. and on foreign policy, of course the expansion of nato. it's absolutely unbelievable what happened the past couple of years. look what happened in asia. when president after another promise to pivot to asia and joe biden has done it and look what he's done from guam to the philippines, south korea and japan are now working together. japan expanding the military budget but look at what's happening in australia and the strengthening. the deal we have with nuclear subs. america is stronger today than it has been relative to the rest of the world in well over a generation. so, that's
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what kamala harris is going to have to tell the american people want donald trump starts telling we are a stupid nation. we are a domination. that our military is weak and woke. what he says that, she needs to answer back. and you know what she needs to do? she does not need to defend the biden-harris record. she needs to defend america because america is great. it's not stupid. it's not weak. it's not all the things that donald trump and j.d. vance and everybody else says it is. there is a massive disconnect from the reality the rest of the world sees and what donald trump, j.d. vance and their supporters see. so, let's bring in to talk more about this, not about what i just said, but about the news, senior national political correspondent for the washington post ashley parker and author, director and academy award-winning screenwriter, and as a buddy knows, the founding father -- the founding father of morning joe, the one, the only, john
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ridley. ashley, we do want your hard- hitting news but we do have to talk to the founding father of morning joe. he has moved from his vast hollywood estate to come grace us with his presence. john ridley. it's great to see you. first of all, i have to ask personally because i know there are a lot of morning joe viewers that ask about me. how are you doing, first of all? >> mika , joe, it's generally good to see you again and i for people who don't know i had an amazing opportunity about 15 years ago to be around you when you were kicking off the show. >> ridley, it was 17 years ago. >> oh, my gosh. >> 17. >> can you believe that? >> we are all on the right side of the concrete so -- look.
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it was an honor and privilege to be there then. it's amazing what you have done with the show and it's an honor and privilege to especially be here now at a remarkable moment in history. it really is. >> you know, john, for viewers to understand why a founding father is no longer with the show, john came to me one day and said, joe, i love the show and i love you and mika and willie, but i'm just going to tell you , i making way too much money. i can't stay here anymore. somebody has got to guide this back to the house one day dump the gold bullion in the garage every day so there is that, john. >> i saw the way streaming was going to go. predicted streaming and i said, let me take my burden off of comcast. let them be a peacock and fly the way they need to buy.
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>> that's very kind of you. so, john, let's talk about this particular moment in time. it's an extraordinarily historic time and the last three or four weeks are just exhausting for everybody because the piece of news has been coming at us so quickly. i got a text from a historian and it just had a number on it in the middle of all this. 1968. the pace is feeling like that. can you put it into words about where we are as a country? >> yeah. i mean, for me, and as you know just finished this year and just came up with a film about shirley chisholm which stars the remarkable regina king. watch it for the history but regina is phenomenal. shirley came on the scene in 1968. first black woman elected as a
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congressperson she was a democrat. 1972, this is where i would frame this election for any number of reasons -- 1972. shirley chisholm runs for president of the united states and had only been a congressman going into his second term. people thought she was crazy but at the same time, the first year 18-year-olds could vote so it was about young people the way it is now. young people feel like they don't have a choice or a chance and they can't get into the game. 1972. the election turned on an assassination attempt. george wallace running as a democrat, if you can believe that, was actually winning most of the early primaries. in april, i believe in maryland, was shot. really change the trajectory allowing george wallace to get into the race shirley chisholm when into the democratic convention controlling almost 200 delegates pick unita 1500 to be president. she would not
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get the nomination but she had the power to affect change at the convention. but it was the democrats, particularly the men and crazily enough, the congressional black caucus, which she helped kickoff, actually turned against her and blew up that coalition picks of 52 years later, joe, for me when that drumbeat and the voices were getting more clear that joe biden for the sake of the country should step aside, my concern was that would be some equivocation. and you heard individuals like to ball patrick singh we have a deep bench. that's great but you also have a player ready to get in the game and that is vice president harris. for someone who just spent four years looking at a similar run, a similar moment in history as the individual you are talking about a 1968. 52 years ago the democrats now have a chance to do things differently and they did. and you can feel the energy.
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you can see the conversations. and you can hear the fear, and my opinion, on the other side because they don't know how to gain this individual. not her record. not what she has done or accomplished. and not who she is. and can i say one other thing and then i will turn it over and this to me is the most incredible thing. if there's nothing else you take away from what i'm saying, please take this. we are being told this year in the cycle dei is the buggy person. that is what is going to destroy america. having to sit down and learn how to conduct ourselves with other individuals. it has been reported that two days ago congress, the republican congressional caucus , had to sit down and have a dei meeting and actually explained to their members how you interact, how you speak without being racist, sexist, misogynistic. so if dei is so awful, why did the republicans -- and w some salty language it's only 6:00
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out here, why do grown-ass individuals had to be sat down and taught how to talk to other people like human beings. of course donald said he wasn't going to be nice anymore so maybe it doesn't matter. to me it's 1972. shirley chisholm and all that but the difference is the democrats are behind the vice president 1000%. more morning joe weekend after a quick break. ♪ i'll be there... ♪ ♪ you don't... ♪ ♪ you don't have to worry... ♪
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let's raise the bar and go to jonathan. >> certainly, joe, what we saw last night was a moment of history with this president deciding to step aside. you could tell from his voice, he could tell from his words he thinks he can still run again and couldn't win again but he bowed to reality and a remarkable moment, hands off power and eventually an office which he has sought for most of his life. ashley, with president biden
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focusing on governing, we have a new race. donald trump versus kamala harris to give us your impressions and reporting of this race in its early stages. how it will be shaped, including by issues like dei and how the republicans are scrambling to adjust and suddenly facing harrison not biden. >> i'm glad that john brought up shirley chisholm because i've been thinking a lot about her too recently, including her striking quote, which she said that being black was a hindrance in politics? she said being a woman was a hindrance. but she said that she felt her gender was more of an obstacle to overcome than her race. and so, now kamala harris is a black-indian american woman and i've been thinking about it and you cover this too. the way in which donald trump typically runs against women, and as a couple case studies. is carly fiorina in the 2016
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primary and then there's hillary clinton and nikki haley in the most recent primary. on the one hand it's worked out well for him in the sense that he is always prevailed. and on the other hand it hasn't worked out so well for him in the sense he has a history of racist, sexist, and misogynistic comments and these are the sorts of things that alienate those suburban women voters and independent voters and that small slice of voters in states like wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania who will be pivotal for whatever candidate hopes to win the election. and i also think the playbook has changed a bit from 2016. and in talking to democrats there's a world in which trump calling hillary and carly fiorina these nicknames felt kind of novel and these candidates did not know how to respond and the recommendation now is with somewhat like kamala harris, it's eight years later and this is a post-dobbs world. so whatever he tries to throw at her, there's a sense among
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democrats that she will have to reckon with sexism and racism in the country but she can also dismiss what trump is saying and say, look, it's not about me. it's about the women of america. the people of america who want to control their bodies and a post-dobbs world, and turned as attacks back on trump. in the hope from democrats and the harris campaign is it backfires. as john said, when you have republican house number is having a meeting of how to not offend women and people of color , that's risky territory for republicans. >> ashley, we have such a great point. donald trump is always been the disruptor. he was disruptor in '16. he had 16 republicans on the stage looking baffled and confused if he did not know how to approach him. then you have had with hillary clinton during the debates trying to be a disruptor. insulting her.
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doing things. again, everyone is frozen in place and it went all the way through the 2020 election, where he amped up the disruption by talking about a stolen election and then we saw where it let on january 6. but, ashley, you are so right. the world has changed. this is the same elvis act that way so in 2016 and in 2016 it was new. it was shocking. it was drawing people in. and opponents did not know how to approach it. but you were so right now. kamala harris can look back and say, this is what he did to hillary. this is what he did to carly fiorina. this is what he just did this year to nikki haley and this is what you will do to me. and you are so right. it's an easy for them to say we've heard this all before pick we heard you call so and so this. we have heard you insulting
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women out for a decade and it just is not what this campaign is about. talk about that. how the disruptor has been disrupted by this dramatic change in the democratic party. >> what that's exactly right. again. you're seeing some of the same attacks already. calling her laughing come allah or cackling kamala . that's not to say those don't have sexist undertones or the mispronunciation of her name. but there is a sense again the country has seen it before and harris, herself, they hope can dismiss it with a little humor and make it about something broader, about real issues. and in a post-dobbs world, that's quite easy for her. i will say, and have a new piece this morning getting at this, and who knows who harris will choose has a running mate. but i was struck by how quickly the conventional wisdom hardened to when you have a historic first on many levels at the top of the ticket that she has to choose a white person and, by the way, basically a white guy.
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and that's not to say she won't choose say gretchen whitmer or wes moore. but it was interesting that for all of the progress that the nation likes to think it's me that just democrats, republicans, just about everyone said, look, you need quote, unquote, balance had someone tell me she can't be the dei candidate. she can have an all chick ticket. toxic masculinity would be doing well for her. the flipside is joe biden explicitly pledged, as an older white guy when he was running, to choose a woman and then he ended up choosing a black woman and indian american women. there is an argument democrats can make that diversity doesn't matter and it doesn't just mean adding a white person, a white man to a black indian american female ticket. but again it has been striking with which, yes, the sense that come allah harris can come back on trump for all of these attacks. but
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it sure would help if there was reassuring white guy who looked like most of our past presidents to help her out. >> the washington post, thank you for your reporting this morning. it seems to me she needs to get the best person for the ticket. next, congressman josh gottheimer and mike lawler respond to the israeli prime minister's divine speech before the united states congress this week as protests raged outside. -lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels. because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. progressive makes it easy to save with a quick commercial auto quote online. so you can get back to your monster to-do list. -really? -get a quote at progresivecommercial.com. ♪ me and my friends ♪ ♪♪ ♪ it's feeling right, ♪
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let's bring in msnbc political analyst elyse jordan, former a to the george w. bush white house and state department and you are in wisconsin conducting various focus groups. yesterday you spoke with a group of progressive voters there. tell us what you heard from them. >> mika , we are in madison, wisconsin, and yesterday spoke to progressive voters . what
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has really stood out to me this trip having just been in wisconsin a month earlier doing similar research is the sense of excitement within the field of democratic voters from the gamut of progressives to traditional democrats. and even swing voters are intrigued too by the new democratic nominee. we spoke last night to progressive voters and heard how they felt about the process that happened when president biden dropped out and the vice president became the new democratic nominee, and heard about their trepidation with how it all went down, but how they do feel this is promising and they are activated and excited so we will show that clip now. >> how do you feel about the process in which president biden decided not to run for re-
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election? >> it would've been nice if he made this decision a year ago so we could've had a primary and may be decided who we want to replace them rather than just flocking to kamala harris. >> i think by trying to clear the field and in short it was going to be bind in and make sure there was, not allow an actual democratic primary provost, not that i think kamala harris will lose, but think we would've benefited if you figure out, figure this out sooner so there could've been more time to have an internal debate, have internal democracy within the party. >> i want you here what you think about vice president harris of the nominee. are you excited? >> i am. >> i am too. >> i'm fine with her. >> i feel like i don't know a lot about her and i agree i wish biden had come to this decision sooner, but now that we are where we are, i think that's the best party option. >> d if you are activated by
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the shift? >> hopeful. >> i feel activated. i don't like the process either. we started the conversation with there are people behind closed doors and curtains making the decision for us and it supposed to be a process and we are supposed to be part of it so that part i don't like a principal. that being said, she is the vice president and we are late in the game, and therefore, we would have elected her into office by electing biden, and therefore, she is there. she would've been president had he gone to office and something happened, god forbid. i think what she brings is fresh she was in office for two years so she may not have the network that she knows the network. she knows who the players are. >> it just gives us a chance. i'm convinced that she has at least a 50-50 shot against trump. and i would love for the democrats to nominate aoc or someone like that but i live in the real world.
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and, again, this election, democracy is on the line? payment you think vice president harris has a better shot of defeating donald trump? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. i give joe biden a 0% chance experiment did not want to vote for him but i knew i needed to but now i want to vote for kamala . >> her arrival on the scene is, i think, well timed. they have solely strategize around biden for so long and this cake has been thrown into their whole program. they have a history of flailing for a long time and doing all kinds of crazy stuff and is going to be interesting to watch how they respond to her appearance on the scene as such a viable candidate.
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>> such obvious enthusiasm there. it does seem like for so many democrats they have been utterly renewed and re-engaged with this campaign now that vice president harris is at the top of the ticket. but we know from polling that for a lot of progressive voters, like bees, they have sharply broke with this white house over the israel-gaza war. president biden's support for prime minister netanyahu thinking he's not done enough to curb the humanitarian crisis there. what did these voters tell you about that and do we think that sticks with harris too? >> these progressive voters are, like the polling reflects, deeply unhappy with how president biden has managed prime minister netanyahu and the war in gaza and american support for it. but they are hopeful that vice president harris could have a shift in position and be firmer and be stronger, while managing the relationship. and it's that premise that she could bring change, that she is going to be a continuation of democratic
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policies, but can, perhaps, smooth out some of the edges of what they don't like that gives them hope and they are energized and ready to go out and support her and get people to turn out and vote. >> msnbc political analyst elyse jordan. thank you very much. john ridley, we will close this block out with your final thoughts. i'm curious who you would like to see step up for kamala harris as joe biden pointed out last night, this is about you, the american people and take the power and run with it. so, who needs to step up for kamala to make this a winning campaign? >> you know, exactly as you say , the people. you hear that array of madison voters. and as you know i'm from wisconsin. it's a great state and some of the most thoughtful people in america, if not the world. and when you hear those young people saying, look, i don't love this process, but here is
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where we are and i think this vote will protect democracy -- when people are reminded that process matters, that citrix matter, that a vote and a voice matter and they are energized and re-energized to be part of that process, to me, that's the most important thing. and saying to all individuals that voices and votes matter. and as everyone has said today in this post dobbs world, this election is driven by an issue that is most important. not singularly important but most important to women and, again, 1972 was not just about people of color. it was the feminist movement. women really wanted to assert their voices and were shut down then. as was mentioned they haven't shut down and almost every cycle. hillary clinton cannot have been a better and more prepared candidate but was shut down. women and dobbs have driven these elections over the past three cycles. i think they continue to have young people disenfranchised,
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those who are shut out or shunted aside to feel like the voices don't matter getting in the game. as vice president kamala harris looks to become the first female president, we are taking a look back at the woman who made history as america's first female vice presidential nominee, geraldine ferraro. her daughter will join us, alongside democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. you are watching morning joe. we will be right back. ♪♪ find out which athletic traits you inherited. but hurry, the clock is ticking. here's why you should switch fo to duckduckgo on all your devie duckduckgo comes with a built-n engine like google, but it's pi and doesn't spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cookies and creey that follow you around from gog and other companies, and theres it's free.
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my mother was very careful to make sure i was not treated differently from my brother. she told me, you can be whatever you want to be. do whatever you want. all you have to do is work hard. >> my fellow citizens, i proudly accept your nomination for vice president of the united states. payment that is a clip from the 2013 documentary, geraldine ferraro: paving the way. and she did. it was 40 years ago this month that geraldine ferraro became the first female vice presidential running mate for a major american political party when presidential nominee walter mondale chose her to join the democratic ticket back
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in july of 1984. that moment took on even more significance when kamala harris became the first female vice president nearly four years ago and is now running to become the first woman president in our nation's history. a special screening of the documentary was held yesterday in honor of the 40th anniversary of ferraro accepting the vice presidential nomination and following the screening a special discussion was held featuring director, donna zaccaro, who is the daughter of geraldine ferraro, along with speaker emerita nancy pelosi and senators kiersten gillibrand and amy klobuchar. and senator klobuchar and donna both join us right now. it's great to have you both. amy, it's great to see you. donna, i will start with you. i remember that moment like it was yesterday, by the way. but a year before your mother passed, you interviewed her many times.
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she was ill and confined to her home and these would be her last interviews, her last conversations on the record. you also interviewed all of her close friends, former colleagues, opponents, analysts, family members. what was your mission for this? >> well, the reason i wanted to do the film, obviously, was to clarify and make her legacy live on. so it was for that. also, i wanted to show the premise that she had been running and giving up her congressional seat in order to run, which was how she conducted herself during that campaign, even though they lost in a landslide. it would make a difference for what was possible was seen as possible for women in this country. it would also not just in politics, but in anything -- and i think you see that and
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certainly the women leaders that were there last night were examples of how everything that came after that was really a result of being able to see women in a different light. of course, it took 36 years before we had a vice president who was a woman, and hopefully now we will have a president who is a woman, and a black woman and an asian woman. my mother, obviously, was the first. i wanted people to know also -- and the reason i thought it was important to celebrate the anniversary or bring up the anniversary, was just to show the messages that were from that campaign and from that period of time that the democrats have been really fighting for a lot of the same issues since, you know, for 40 years and the start contract for what the democrats are fighting for and what the republicans are. and walter mondale, though he is credited with giving,
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putting the first woman fourth on a major party ticket. what people don't know is it was a continuation of his civil rights work. the real significance there too is he was the first to open the vice presidential selection process to nonwhite males picks of the finalists were actually a black male, mayor tom bradley from l.a. , a latino male, henry cisneros , mayor of san antonio, and dianne feinstein, a jewish woman, and gary hart, who he beat in the primary. >> so all of this paves the way -- i talked to women audiences, younger women, about the long runway that have been paved by women like geraldine ferraro, senator amy klobuchar, and she paved the way for all of us and he ran for president. there are opportunities open to us every step of the way, even in loss. just being there and being in
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the game is a big step. >> i remember when walter mondale, being from minnesota, announced geraldine ferraro. i literally remember what she was wearing. the polkadots and the white pearls and i thought anything and everything is possible picks are regardless of what happened , that motivated a whole bunch of young women to think, i can do this too. and to think that donna planned this screening this week, months ago, is kind of incredible as we look at kamala harris. i think one of the things we talked about and speaker pelosi talked about and senator dole ran last night, is there are still challenges. it was so easy, we could play the game, name your favorite woman president. we can't because there's never been one but it just shows where we've come. and i think as we prepare, as i do, to help kamala get elected
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we are also covering the address delivered by israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu to a joint session of congress. during the speech he spoke about his vision for the future of gaza. >> the day after we defeat hamas, a new gaza can emerge. my vision for that day is of a demilitarized and de- radicalized gaza. israel does not seek to resettle gaza, but for the foreseeable future, we must retain overriding security
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control there to prevent the resurgence of terror, to ensure that gaza never again poses a threat to israel. gaza should have a civilian administration run by palestinians who do not seek to destroy israel. that's not too much to ask. it's a fundamental thing. that we have a right to demand and to receive. >> i am generally confused and i will talk to my guests and a second about that. republican congressman mike lawlor of new york and democratic congressman josh gottheimer of new jersey both were in the chamber for the prime minister's address. thank you for being with us. i want to talk about what happened outside with the burning of the american flag with the american flag being taken down at union station and palestinian flag being raised
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and just the despicable conduct that was happening at union station. but before i do that, i just can't let, even though i've been a strong supporter of israel for my entire life -- i can't let the prime minister say what the prime minister said without asking you all first your reaction when he says that gaza can never pose a threat to israel again. i think we all agree with that. the guy who said that is a guy who told qatar three weeks before the invasion, keep sending hundreds of millions of dollars to hamas. he's the same guy who new in 2018 about the hamas solicit funds and did nothing about it. there was this cynical relationship between netanyahu and hamas through qatar. and i'm wondering if you guys, because we have israeli officials on who say they made mistakes but they will investigate it after the war. i'm curious. do you all have any information about why prime minister netanyahu continued to
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encourage qatar to give hamas funding before october 7? >> anyone of us speak first? it's good to be here. >> either one. >> i'm on the intelligence committee so i won't get into any specifics on that, but i think to your broader point the question is going forward what do we do to make sure that israel is secure. a key ally. archaeology in the fight against terror against iran as proxies. we saw his below firing rockets again today. attacks out of the region. not just of course and israel but at us, our servicemembers and our interests in the region. i think that's the bigger picture. america's national security. had we make sure we are secure because the foreign minister, as the prime minister pointed out yesterday, israel is merely a tour. the main more is with america
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and i think that should be our major focus year. >> i agree but we also have to understand what happened and we need to have answers on why benjamin netanyahu continue to encourage qatar to fund hamas, a terrorist organization that said they wanted to kill jews and wipe israel off the map you respond to that and talk about what happened at union station and how that reveals the very nature of a lot of these organizations that were fueling campus protests over the past year. >> yeah. the first part i would say, look, obviously israel has sought to have peace with other arab nations and sought to have peace in gaza and over the last 16 years you had eight cease- fires picked the last of which was violated on october 7. and ultimately 93% of the hamas
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budget and funding comes from iran. and i think the prime minister has been clear on where he stands with respect to iran. and, look, the united states has had a relationship with qatar and we have been trying to work through these negotiations to get the hostages released, which is paramount in this conversation. with respect to what happened outside of the capitol grounds yesterday, i think it's unconscionable. it's disgusting. it's disgraceful. when you have, not just palestinian flags being raised, but you would individuals carrying flags of hamas and writing hamas in spray paint on monuments outside of union station, burning the american flag, i think, as the prime minister said in his speech, these folks are useful idiots for iran. and that is something i think, really, when we have these conversation and discussion people need to be focused on fact. they need to be focused
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on reality. hamas is the one that not only perpetrated the attack on october 7, but continues to use its own people as human shields. women, children, innocent palestinian civilians. josh and i both want the palestinian people to be free from their oppressor, but their oppressor is hamas, not israel. coming up. we speak with the author of a new book detailing the rise of white nationalism in america and how it's seeped its way from the dark corners of the internet and into mainstream politics.
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the city of nashville is grappling with a lingering presence within its city limits. according to reporting at the associated press, for weeks, have livestreamed anti-semitic antics for shock value in nashville waving swastika flags through crowded streets, singing hate songs on the downtown courthouse steps, and even briefly disrupting a metro council meeting with juniors. their continued presence has sparked hard questions about why music city is attracting groups amplifying nazi beliefs and what, if anything, can help stop them . the ap goes on to note that elsewhere in the country white supremacist groups have made similar appearances this year. our next guest has studied such
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hate groups and focuses on their influence on mainstream politics. joining us now is journalist elle reeve. her new book has the title, "black pill: how i witnessed the darkest corners of the internet come to life, poison society, and capture american politics" . thank you for being here. will turn to the book in a moment but first let's get your reaction to what we see in nashville. what leads to this and why is it seemingly becoming more common? >> one of the groups that marched down there is called patriot front. the founder was in charlottesville. look at their outfits. or try to look more patriotic. they realized they were turning up a lot of people with swastikas, aesthetics, right? that will not win over a lot of people's another wrapping themselves in the american flag but they know they don't have majority support and people will counterprotest them pick what they do are flash mobs.
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unannounced big, provocations and spectacles in the cities so no one will counterprotest them and then they can film it because the real audience is not nashville. it's everyone on the internet. >> is there anything you see that can be done to stop the spread or is this an irreversible trend? >> i think if you have especially young male relative who may be going a little fascist, engage with them but don't insult his intelligence. but you have to keep the conversation going because the biggest problem is being in this bubble and not breaking out of it. >> the important new book titled "black pill: how i witnessed the darkest corners of the internet come to life, poison society, and capture american politics" . it's on sale now. journalist, elle reeve. take you for joining us. that's it for us today. we appreciate you spending part of your saturday morning with us. we're back tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern for more of our best conversations from the week. until then, enjoy the rest of your day. good morning, it is saturday,

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