welcome back to the weekend, vice president harris has less than two weeks to reach a decision most candidates way for months. who will be her running mate

and weather, should she win the presidency? campaign sources tell nbc new the first staff level calls to potential running mates began on tuesday. at least eight people are in the running but sources say about a dozen names are under consideration. the deadline for her to make a decision well, that's august 7th, a week and a half from now. joining us is kimberly atkins, cohost of sisters in law podcast and also is eddie glaude, contributor and professor at princeton university. >> this has been a week, can we just say it? before we get into the nitty- gritty, i would love your thoughts on the week that was because it was a week, professor, please.

>> it was historic, in so many ways. we've been so backward looking, you know the elections seem to be weighed down by the past, the 81-year-old and the 78-year- old the ugliness of maga republicans threatening our democracy, i was in aspen during the debate. i saw the reaction in real time to the donor base. there was a real waste on our shoulders and if that like everything was released and then it just happened like this and we had already been through an attempted assassination, all of this other stuff so people are on edge and can barely catch their breath. >> kimberly, on that point, barely catching your breath, the vice president has to pivot and make a consequential decision in a short period of time. how does she do this? in other words, eddie has

talked about sort of, you know, the historic and transitional part of this and the forward- looking of all of this right now. is that a big consideration in who she picks that can help her continue that momentum? not so much asking you who, but what are some of the qualities that will help her do that, do you think? >> she's in a unique position, she's been a running mate and a vice president so she knows what it takes to be on a winning team and win the election and how to govern. and govern as a team of two people working together as a team and you can see this energy and affection and respect between joe biden and kamala harris. she is looking very carefully at somebody who not only can bring america on board to the team but somebody who can stand beside her in the white house and actually do the job. she's

the best person to choose. >> the new york times said that the vice president is planning to announce her vp pick by august 7th and they write, if she meet that deadline, she will have squeezed the process of vetting and choosing a ready- made which takes about three months. it is different when you've been vetted yourself, she's likely thinking about what's needed for the country. this is a decision for herself but also for the country, and again i thought we were done using this word but it's all unprecedented. >> kim is brilliant in this regard.

the energy is fragile. the enthusiasm is fragile. the hope is fragile, people are weathered. we've been beaten down. and so the energy that we saw coming out of the transition when biden said he would no longer run and endorsing harris seven we saw the space, there is this hope but the hope has underneath it, exasperation. so i think it's fragile, and the choice, right, it bears the weight of that fragility and vulnerability, so she has to do everything that kim and donna have said, but she also has to be mindful of the fragility of the american voting public. we are overrun, overwhelmed, and tired. weathered. so the hope is, it's something to be excited about but also something we have to tend to, with care, if that makes sense. >> you just opened up a nice little camp for me, eddie, because it goes to what you just said, it goes a lot to what james carville warned

about yesterday. and it seemed to stir the pot. >> it stirred me. >> it stirred my friend, symone, quite a bit. we were talking about that because i happen to agree with him. what he said was, all the energy right now is good but you know, let's not get lost in it. you still have to run a campaign and my take was, it wasn't so much to the young folks that are coming on board, the 170,000 people that are volunteering and the energy there, it was the structure that has to be beneath that to elevate that and they can't lose sight in all of this euphoria of actually building a network that is required and it goes to what eddie is saying, because you've got to tap i think, into the core of what, what has frustrated our purposes as a country is this

maga thing that keeps hanging around and won't go away. so you've got to create the infrastructure to help push that out and away from the american democracy. that's how i saw that. but the energy thing that eddie brings up, it is a valuable piece here but it is fragile. >> it is fragile and it's that momentum, you need to hold onto that. you need to turn that energy into momentum that can carry beyond just this, to use a phrase for my friend joyce vance, into the sugar high, that will drive it, the issue and the urgency, the urgency of having donald trump essentially saying vote for me once, you don't have to do it again. he's asking that beautiful christians to make him a dictator and also the issues that democrats have to run on, abortion rights, civil rights,

voting rights, ensuring that the economy keeps moving forward, and jobs keep being created and wages keep rising. kamala harris and whoever she picks has to do all those things at the same time. this energy is great but there's so much work that needs to be done by her and her team. >> they need an apparatus and i don't know, i think the thing about james carville's comments and as i said i'm just a baby, what do i know, i only elected one president. i don't know much. i'm young. but it does strike me that, why throw cold water on people's enthusiasm because all i heard previously was oh, the people aren't introduced, the people are not enthused by joe biden, the people don't want to give,

the donors, the voters, they want someone else and then joe biden's like okay i'll pass the torch and he passes the torch and to be clear this moment is only possible because of the tone that joe biden said at the beginning before his presidency started and how his teeth and he himself was going to work with and treat his vice president. and it was the tone that he said that made it possible, now people are organizing, you've got white dudes with cargo hats doing a fundraiser, the white women have organized themselves, they track they dragged themselves on the call for the first 30 minutes about how they did not support hillary clinton and black women are organizing, but now all we are hearing is don't be too excited. excitement breeds organizers and organizers help turned out at all i keep hearing is people were hopeless and now they have hope, why are people trying to throw cold water on the hope?

>> symone, i hear you because you are right on a certain level. what i'm trying to say is the hope can fragment and it's fragile and i think james carville, my friend and others are trying to say something that they don't want to say explicitly that is we are still in the middle of a white backlash, that hasn't ended just because the democratic party nominated a black woman. it didn't end just because the democratic party made a choice to nominate a woman of color. we are still in the middle of the fever dream. and if we don't understand that, we are going to get caught in, caught up in the sugar high and forget that they are just as angry as we are hopeful. and if we don't keep that in mind when we make certain moves, we are going to get popped in the chin, unsuspected

we -- unexpectedly. i am all in, i am excited but i want this vp, do no harm, make a choice that will not dampen the enthusiasm, that won't splinter it but hope is fragile. >> you know, eddie brings up a very important point about the white backlash and we are going to discuss it on the other side with kimberly and eddie because we knew this was coming, right? the file, the racist attacks on vice president harris and we will take them on next, on the weekend. laxing family, watching a game, or would you rather be climbing ladders to clean out clogged gutters, or paying thousands of dollars to repair rotten fascia, crumbling soffit and foundation damage? probably not.

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she was a bomb three weeks ago. failed vice president and a failed administration. >> donald trump just called a

former district attorney a state attorney general twice elected by the way, united states senator, the current vice president of the united states, a bum. for the record harris has held public office for three times as many years as he and jd vance combined and she does not have any felonies. kimberly atkins stohr and eddie glaude are back with us. test made a point about the way that donald trump speaks about people across the board but especially women, especially the vice president, is offputting to a lot of different people, and women across the board are seeing this and they say we are not about to take this. it is something very specific about the way that he speaks about black people, kimberly, and i just, the highest ranking black person in the world right now is the vice president of

the united states of america and black and south asian and i am deeply disturbed by it. it's something we all have felt, we all have witnessed in our own lives, someone suggesting that you are not qualified, they don't know nothing about you except that you are black -- >> just real quickly, they don't think she's black because everyone is tweeting, she ate black. okay. >> which is like well y'all don't know nothing about the slave trade. >> sub-saharan africa folks, -- >> but she's from oakland -- >> she's from oakland but you can also google jamaica and understand. >> it is unsettling. i think we need to have a conversation on tv right now. >> we have seen that there is

no one who gets under donald trump's skin like a black woman who dares to hold him accountable. we've seen the way he's talked about fani willis, the way he's talked about letitia james, this is definitely going to get under his skin and donald trump is not somebody who couches his views. he's not somebody who uses a filter. he says straight on, what he believes and that's what he is doing. even the speaker of the house, mike johnson is saying, tone it down, say the quiet part quietly but you know this is a problem. i was under the illusion that republicans are going to come out hitting her on immigration since that was an area she focused on. i thought they were actually going to talk about it issue. they have called her unqualified, dei, despite the fact that you laid out her resume and her effectiveness. despite the fact that on the issues when as vice president sheet mobilized the response to

dobbs being overturned, she's been right by biden side being a partner in all of this administration that she's had but that is where they are going because they know one of the things that benefited from from the obama presidency is the racism wasn't focused on and it was kept quiet and allowed to grow and fester and become a movement from underneath and that is the backlash that led to donald trump. that is what mike johnson is pushing for again. the problem is you have way too many people out here in public, trump himself, former trump officials like gorka calling her a colored woman, and a dei hire and that members of congress, elected official saying the stuff, they are saying the loud part out loud and donald trump is here for it. >> eddie, you and i have been in rooms together where we just sat on a couch and have this conversation, my friend, because it is deep. it is a very deep part of the american psyche, and i still

contend, i think we are on the same page. is one of the things that we just don't want to deal with and you have, you know as kimberly noted, members of congress referring to the vice president as a dei hire and we know what that means but everyone is trying to gloss over and pretend it isn't what it is. the video from -- >> to go ahead. >> it was colored, not college, i will leave that there. just to be clear. it was colored, not college. talk to us about this moment as we get ready for the next 100 days. there's more to come but it is a rot that needs to get addressed. >> you know, michael, just to make some folk angry, i will quote the brother, and in the grand inquisitor there is a line that says the deceit

constitute constitutes the suffering because we have to continue to lie. we have to continue to live. this eight 2008. this is not the tea party, all of this stuff is explicit, maga has its roots, its origins in explicit white grievance. that's what it's all about. and so, you can put that toothpaste back in the tube. again, this is not 2008. this is post obama presidency. so hatred, grievance, it's been the engine the gasoline, the fuel, to this entire movement. so the fact that we expect because of an attempted assassination that donald trump was going to be more civil, give me a break but the moment the democratic party chose to put kamala harris at the top of the ticket and remember, there were forces within the democratic party who understood

the environment. they were worried about having a person of color at the top of the ticket because they thought it would excite and agitate a base on the other side that has been motivated by racial grievance in the first place. so we thought they would be disciplined and not go haywire, we already saw the attacks on dei in universities, we've already seen critical race theory, we already heard what has come out of his mouth and their mouths, why would we expect anything different? that's why this moment is so momentous. the choice is being asserted in the midst of the fever dream. not 50 years later, not 40 years later, but in the middle of it. and so unless we are honest about it, must we tell the truth about it than what, we will continue to suffer because the deceit is at the heart of it because these folks are continuing to lie about who they are and who they expect the country to be. >> okay. >> i'm going to take up a

collection because that was a sermon. y'all just preached that. >> kimberly atkins stohr, eddie glaude, thank you very much. next, new york attorney general letitia james joins us to discuss her quote, singular focus i'm sorry, winning the oval office for vice president harris. i just got, the anything just. t.

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, our nation and her people deserve. >> that was vice president kamala harris speaking to members of the zeta phi beta sorority inc. this week in indianapolis. her candidacy has quickly galvanized a massive network of black women who have long been the backbone of the credit party, hours after president biden endorsed harris, 44,000 black women joined a zoom call to support the vice president. it was organized by new york attorney general letitia james and other prominent black women. the call sparked a tread without the black men on a call as well, followed by zooms for white women, >> supporters, south asian supporters, and a whole lot more. new york attorney general letitia james joins us now, welcome. >> madam attorney general, thank you for being with us, there's been a lot of talk about this call that happened last week, when black women

called, it is a call that has happened every sunday for the past couple of years but last sunday was very specific, can you give us insight as to what went down on the call? >> i was not one of the organizers, i was one of the participants but i did send it out to my network of friends in the great state of new york. it's important that individuals understand what is at stake right now and everything is at stake. i think the attorney general, i and my other colleagues have endorsed harris, and an attorney general, it's in the best position to know what a former attorney general is capable of and kamala harris clearly is capable and is the

most qualified individual to run for president in fact more qualified than the last four presidents. and it's important that individuals recognize our basic liberties and freedoms right now are being jeopardized as the attorney general, i have joined with others to analyze project 25. and this is not new to us, this is something which donald trump is true too, why? because when he was president of these united states, i, and other attorney generals, democrats, we had to sue him in fact under my leadership, my office suit donald trump over 100 times and the basis of all of that was, project 2025. so he cannot distance himself from something that he has attempted to implemented when he was president of these united states and we were successful, 70% of the time. we were the firewall, democratic attorney generals, and she, kamala harris, given her experience, given her background, someone who was obviously concerned about liberty and freedoms in this country and our democracy as a whole, she is the most qualified candidate to be president of these united

states and it's my singular focus to have her elected president of these united states, organizing, mobilizing and educating individuals about all that trump did to divide us on constructs such as race, class, gender and as eleanor roosevelt said because we are in a post-roe world that it is up to the women and that's why individuals obviously need to step up and get people registered to vote particularly in battleground states and get out the vote in november. >> general james, you touched on project 2025 which we on the weekend, have put a great deal of emphasis on going back a number of months. and i really do appreciate you putting that in the context of the job you are currently doing. could you flesh that out a little more? i think people don't really appreciate exactly how project

2025 is designed to change their constitutional liberties, their rights, and their freedoms, and how that limits access to opportunities as opposed to expanding it which is some of what you were talking about. >> when donald trump was president, he attempted to basically change the legal landscape here in these united states and democratic attorney generals, we sued him over and over again and as i mentioned, we were successful 70% of the time. under the leadership of president biden and i thank him for being this humble man who was the selfless man who put country before his own personal ambition. he is the one that was put in place, legal pathways for migrants to come to the country and it's important that individuals recognize that. they are fleeing under

authoritarian rule because they want freedom. freedom. and that's what we offer in this country. freedom. and that is what is under a threat right now. freedom. it's important to know that when president trump was in office, he attempted to address reproductive rights. we are now in a post-roe world. literally women are pleading out in bathrooms in order to get reproductive care. i went to texas and heard stories of individuals who had ectopic pregnancies, miscarriages, women who could not get repaired duct of -- reproductive care. these are women who wanted to have children. you have a former president who wants to take universal lunch away from children. you have a president who wants to separate families. a president obviously in the state of new york, we no longer have state and local tax exemptions which effects working people. you have a president of these united states who basically wants to go after unions which

are the reason why we have a middle class. individuals obviously who have been the victim of wage theft. i and other democratic attorney general stand up for the people of this country. she was someone who was the former senator who served on the homeland security committee, who has met with leaders all across the nation and who has traveled the globe. she's the most qualified candidate and we have challenged donald trump who basically, he wants to dismantle our country and wants to separate us based on race and gender, who says file things and who obviously is someone who does not respect the rule of law and does not respect the parties that you and i enjoy and the freedoms which is the business of our democracy in this country. and that's why, given all that i have seen, the damage that he has attempted to do, it is really critically important that individuals stand up and

walk in defiance to all that he represents and vote for the most qualified candidate, vice president kamala harris who will be the next president of these united states. >> general james, as we were talking in the last block about the way in which donald trump attacks those that he views as his opponents or that are trying to hold him accountable, he specifically has gone, he has a specific ire, i feel like, when it comes to certain individuals and you are one of the people that he has also attacked for attempting to and successfully in many respects holding him accountable. i do want to ask you about one of those things, donald trump has an appeal given the supreme court ruling that essentially says, you know, president and former presidents are kings, that there's absolute immunity

for official acts. donald trump is appealing and a spokesperson for your office said there's nothing new in his appeal arguments. and the defendants are raising arguments that were sanctioned for. we are confident we will prevail on appeal. are you concerned that given just the maid -- makeup of some in the country,'s that there is a chance for him to skirt some of the accountability that your office has attempted to bring >> this is a state case. we are confident in the state of new york that we will

recover over $450 million for the residents of the great state of new york. he's engaged in name-calling but unfortunately the reality is i will not dignify his comments and i will not amplify his racism and sexism. we've got to focus on issues. americans are struggling right now. inflation has gone down under the leadership of biden and right now we are experiencing one of the lowest unemployment rates in history. and it's critically important that the number of illegal border crossings has come to one of the lowest points again because of pathways that president biden and vice president harris have created through executive order that republicans oppose. we have an opportunity to create bipartisan immigration but donald trump killed it for political purposes. again, i will not fear donald trump. i have steel in my backbone and the reality is, i will not

allow this person, donald trump who unfortunately is a broken man, to get in the way of progress and separate us. it's important that americans understand that we need to stand up and defend our liberties, our rights and the reason why countless numbers of individuals are flocking to the country is because of our liberties and freedoms which are under attack from individuals led by trump who only want to attack us based on grievances. and a number of those grievances are issues that we have addressed in court, and they are laid out in project 2025. individuals need to understand they should not vote against their economic interests and that people need to stand up. we also need to recognize that kamala harris has been a great defender of unions and working- class people in this country and as a proud defender of unions, it's important that individuals understand that we need to grow at the middle class and we need to hear from young people. right now she's leading the

polls for young people by 20 points, because young people are sick and tired of the racism, sexism and they are tired apparently of the grievances they want a functioning government and right now you have republicans in congress, congress is paralyzed by their leadership. we need to make progress for all americans and not engage unfortunately, in name-calling. kamala harris represents the future and that is why this attorney general and all democratic attorney generals are supporting endorsing holding up and making sure that kamala harris is the next president of these united states. >> new york attorney general letitia james, america is tired, honey, they are tired.

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all the reasons vice president harris is so equipped to defeat donald trump, her biggest advantage maybe her record on abortion. here's part of an ad that reproductive rights advocate hadley duval recorded for what was then the biden/harris campaign last month. >> first thing i was told when i saw the positive pregnancy test was you have options. and if rove he weighed would have been overturned sooner, i wouldn't have heard that. and it had me thinking there's someone who doesn't get to hear that now. girls like me across the country are suffering. their futures are being ripped away . >> joining us now is reproductive rights advocate hadley duval. i remember the first time i saw that ad, and i was speechless at the end because you're

right, there are a lot of women right now across the country who do not have options. talk about your advocacy in the wake of this election. i'm sure this was not on your bingo card to be doing this. >> it definitely was not. it has been an amazing journey, don't get me wrong but obviously, a very tough one. it's not even something i ever planned to speak about publicly. and to be doing this on a national level, it's so surreal but to know that i am making an impact and i know that because i have survivors reach out to me and tell me that i helped them find their voice and i helped their families see why choice is important and that means so much to me. because of that, i will continue to do it, and it's been really amazing meeting so many amazing people. >> hadley, the interesting part of your story is, it's the

story of a lot of women. and the fact that you're able to help frame and connect that.from your own personal experience it's been effective in translating folks exactly what is at stake. it's not just the constitutional idea of roe, it is the fundamental idea of choice, that you have as an individual. which, a lot of folks tend to forget, particularly in the christian space, that is the one thing that god gave all of us, you know, it's that thing called free will. so when you translate that into the political space, it becomes complicated. and so, it's important that you have these voices that sort of tell their story and frame

that. i know it's been hard for you and a lot of ways because you are put in the spotlight as you said, as symone said, it wasn't on your bingo card, but it is important that you are here now and sharing that side of this conversation. you have axios reporting on jd vance, and his attack on childless women, and making a note that an attack on vice president harris for not having biological children has spurred intense backlash from celebrity voices, the internet's catch ladies and her own blended family, not just the framing of your story but how stories are connected to the underlying idea that decisions that you have to make for yourself, whether to have a child or not have a child, to start a family or not start a family, that is

what is being violated here. >> absolutely. that is 100% what is being violated and i can only speak for being a survivor and that's why i'm so adamant about that part of the choice but as we can see in society, it has not been a secret that there are women who, with wanted pregnancies, who are needing this care and they don't have the access to that. they are, you know, wanting to better themselves and protect themselves because they have other kids at home and they are still not able to get that care. and it's not about being pro- abortion, it's not about, it's really not even political. it's simply about wanting to be in charge and in control of yourself, and knowing what is best for your future because everybody is living their own thing right now and everybody's situation is so unique and what one person can handle financially, mentally, physically, the next person

cannot, and that is okay. so we don't need to base our laws off of one, scenario, you know, when there's a big gray area that it's not really the politicians job to be in. >> hadley, when you started telling your story and most people, it seems like so long ago but most may not remember that you originally told her story in an ad for the beshear for governor campaign, we want to play a piece of that for folks so they can see that and we will talk on the other side. >> anyone who believes there should be no exceptions for rape or incest cannot understand what it is like. to tell a 12-year-old girl she must have the baby of her stepfather who raped her is unthinkable. i'm speaking out because women and girls need to have options >> you said i'm speaking out because women and girls need to have options. that's something i heard from

you over the last couple of months. with the time we have left with you, what do you hear from folks who see you, who may have come across you on social media or have seen any of the ads that you've been in, who come up to you and say, why, why do you feel that you need to talk about this now? i'm struck by the fact that you said it's not political because you are right. this is something whether you are democrat or republican or independent, it affects all people across the country. >> so it's not political, it's very personal. and i like to tell people that and really, it should be personal for so many people because you know somebody who it's personal four. and that in itself should be enough but you know, it really keeps me going to know that when there is a survivor who reaches out to me and says, you

make me feel seen because i know what it's like to just want to be heard, to be screaming internally and wondering why no one is coming to save you as a little child and if i would've seen somebody who was strong and in the face of the media even when they were probably receiving backlash about something so controversial, maybe i would have felt more comfortable to speak up. maybe i would have been more educated on what was really going on with me and in my house and that's why i do it because if i could just help one person find their voice or if i can just change the minds of a few individuals and really get a conversation going, i have fulfilled a very important purpose that i had a lot of trauma from, and it's really taking the trauma and flipping it into something good and that is healing for me. >> hadley duval, you have more courage than a lot of grown elected officials in this

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mr. chairman when we started the show, we talked about that donald trump, that clip from the other night where he said my christians, talking to all the christians in the room, telling them that they don't have to vote anymore, it'll be the last time they have to vote. he's literally telling us, he's

been so clear, he's telling us how he feels about women in this country, how he feels about anybody that doesn't agree with them, people of color, he's telling us how he feels about immigrants, he's telling us what is going to do for the corporations if they support him and how he's going to give them $1 billion, he's literally telling us, so it is going to be on us if people do not listen. well not us, y'all, because i'm listening. >> i'm listening, too, and have been trying to, you know, create a clarion call around what you just said, trump is one of those individuals who always tells you what he intends to do and what he wants, and the reason for that is, he doesn't think you can

stop him. and so that is what this election boils down to, whether or not the american people want to stop him and we have to be honest and it goes back to what eddie was saying earlier, there's a significant number of our fellow citizens who are okay with everything you just described. >> that is why this election has always been close and is going to be close still. even with vice president harris, the reality is that people want what trump and jd vance is selling. not michael reading the teleprompter -- >> how about we read it together, much more ahead on the weekend. >> and a big programming note saturday september 7th mac, you can attend msnbc live democracy 2024. it's a first ever in person than event in brooklyn , new york. think bravo con, but with your favorite msnbc host, including us. to buy tickets, just scan the

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