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night. we are super happy to have you with us. i'm rachel maddow along with my colleagues lawrence o'donnell, stephanie bruel, stephanie weber, and jen psaki. a whole cast will be with us. we have everybody, the whole team is here, the whole clown car has been unloaded. do you care about politics? do you have any feelings about who you would prefer to win the next election, who would be a better choice or worst choice as a president of the united states? if you do have those feelings, what were you planning on doing about it this year? because, there are about 105 days left until the presidential election, so if you are going to do something about those feelings you may have about politics, you know-- tiktok [ laughter ] time is short. were you planning on doing something or just watching? yesterday something happened

that suddenly made a lot of people hear that tick-tock sound a lot louder than before. because, before yesterday the biden-harris reelection campaign was apparently getting nationwide each day, maybe a couple hundred calls a day, people saying they wanted to volunteer for the campaign, they were signing up each day to volunteer for the campaign- ish. yesterday, the campaign says they signed up 28,000 people. to volunteer. 28,000 people signed up to volunteer for the campaign, in one day, more than 100 times that previous pace it in the 24 hours since joe biden announced he would pass the torch to his vice president for her to lead the democratic ticket this november, look at what has happened to the fundraising. one of the big democratic super pacs is called super forward.

before yesterday they had a lot of cash on-hand, on top of the 22 million yesterday, in one day, they said they received $150 million in brand-new pledge donations. actively which raises money online for democrats up and down the ticket including the presidential race, they took in $93 million in one day, almost entirely from small donations. the harris campaign says that in one day their hall was $81 million specifically just to the campaign. $81 million in one day. they say a clear majority of that was from people who were giving money for the first time

in this election, more than 40,000 people who gave yesterday for the first time, signed up to make their donations recurring for the duration of the campaign. the new york times described this tonight as "record- breaking showing as democrats welcomed her candidacy with one of the greatest gushers of cash of all-time." indeed, it is believed to be the single-largest single-day of fundraising by any candidate for any office in american history. incredibly, the republican party's nearest post to that is that they had a great day of fundraising, they had a really great day, their best day of fundraising on the day their candidate was convicted on 34 felony criminal charges, and they did have their best day that day, raising about $53 million that day. looks like kamala harris will double that, and she didn't have to commit any felonies to do it. in the real world of real politics there's no question now that, harris will be the democratic nominee for president against donald trump, in november. kamala harris spoke at campaign

headquarters, in delaware, she thanked what had been the biden- harris reelection campaign staff, now the harris for president campaign staff. she announced she has asked president biden's reelection campaign manager, jen o'malley dillon, to stay on and run the harris campaign as well. she said ms. o'malley dillon agreed, and that tells you that there will be some continuity from the previous campaign to this new one. immediately after she showed both in word and deed there will also be differences. >> you know, as many of you know, before i was elected as vice president, before i was elected as united states senator i was the elected attorney general. of california. i was a courtroom prosecutor. in those roles i took on perpetrators of all kinds. >> [ laughter ] >> [ cheers and applause ]

>> yeah. predators, who abused women. fraudsters, who ripped off consumers. cheaters, who broke the rules for their own gain. so hear me when i say i know donald trump's type. >> [ cheers and applause ] >> president joe biden has covid, he is still isolating at home . he phoned into that event today at campaign headquarters. they put him on speakerphone over the pa system, it was a little bit like the opening bit on charlie's angels with the disembodied voice of charlie coming over the speakerphone, and the angels prepare for their assignment-- there are lots of different ways to do these counts, but the associated press reports, harris kamala harris has pledges from 2/1000 of the delegates she will need support from in order

to formally lock up the nomination. the law firm where former attorney general eric holder has taken on the task of vetting possible running mates, the possible vp running mates for harris. harris' campaign has been enrolling receiving endorsements all day, including nancy pelosi. they ruled out major endorsements from important labor unions and organizations including the united auto workers shawn fain joins us tonight. also on the other side of the aisle, where republicans appear to be very deeply unhappy with this change on the ticket on the democratic side. the current house speaker, mike johnson, is threatening to bring a lawsuit for some

reason. he's going to try and sue the democrats into not making this change. the group behind project 2025, the heritage foundation, saying they want to bring lawsuits to stop vice president harris from becoming the nominee somehow. we'll be speaking momentarily with tim alberta, who was reporting among other things today, that there is a somewhat panicking rising wave of regret on the republican side get regret that not only did they plan for no change in the plan like this, but that there is some buyers remorse that they picked the unknown hard right weird tech bro jd vance, the most extreme candidate of everyone they vetted to be trump 's running mate. if the best thing about jd vance in terms of electability was the money he brought with him well kamala harris as the democratic opponent of this ticket just brought in more money in one day than any candidate for office ever raised

in the history of the united states. so, if that was the one straightahead benefit of jd vance, today feels like a different day for that calculation. tim alberta today reporting today, trump campaign officials are now acknowledging the selection of jd vance was "something of a luxury." meaning vance is someone they knew would not persuade a single swing voter who was already planning to vote for trump. but before yesterday they didn't think they would need to persuade anyone. it's a holiday today. we will be joined here exclusively in a moment by u.s. transportation secretary pete buttigieg. but first, let's start here. lawrence, you got off a boat and came back to land when you were supposed to be here. >> don't let the camera sneak around. yes. racing to this coverage. so, you know, kamala harris has had the single best first day

of any presidential candidate in history. and that was yesterday. she also just had the best second day in history of any presidential candidate, and has very very quickly snuffed out this dream that was being thrown around by the people, who were very eager to get joe biden off the ticket. this is a dream that has been thrown around for a better part of the year that we could have what they would call an exciting convention where this could be a contested nomination. there are times in the editorial added joe biden to drop out of the race, using the word exciting. every time i saw that word exciting i was reading the word chaos is the other alternative, and the new york times indeed yesterday afternoon used the word "chaos" to describe right away, in a headline, the condition that they so-eagerly awaited.

to get to hear. >> can i interject just to underscore what it is you are saying? i love the new york times with the heat of 1000 suns, but their editorial page on this issue as a megaphone on repeat for not just weeks, but months. biden must get out. then as soon as biden gets out, chaos! biden has gotten out, it's so terrible. i don't know what is going on at the new york times, but their editorial position is so chin out, so confident, while simultaneously being so internally contradictory and nicholas. i mean, i have so much respect for the new york times, but they are on planet "somewhere else." >> and i always say this when i criticize the times, and it's the best paper that remains to us even on its bad days, but one thing the times did not know until i had to reveal it

on television, because it didn't exist as affecting political media in america, until february, after his recline's piece came out urging biden to step aside and others had come out. none of them knew the money could only go to kamala harris. they were throwing out this idea without the most vague of understandings one of the most important if not the most important element in political campaigns, money. none of them knew anything about that when they were throwing this around. so, they have learned, gradually, and, i was not countering their arguments, i was putting out all the things they did not know, including the massive structural advantage that kamala harris would have, and, the extreme reluctance of anyone to want to run against her. you know, they were throwing out these names of people, including gretchen whitmer after she said she wouldn't do it. they couldn't believe that everyone wouldn't eagerly want

to get this nomination, which would be if it were anyone other than kamala harris, the single worst way of running for president. a 100-day campaign and you start with zero, good luck. >> i was thinking of you when we were looking at fundraising numbers today, not only because i feel like you are my money adviser on these things, but i feel like there's been so much attention to the eccentric right-wing billionaire class consolidating around trump, and this flips the script entirely. >> not just with big-money donors. we've heard reid hoffman will give more to this campaign than he did invite in's last, which was $10 million. act blue yesterday, $50 million , and that's not from three people, four people, it's from scores of americans, and every vote counts. i want to make a point about chaos. chaos is going to ensue.

i am looking for the chaos, because there are two points in democratic history you could look at with joe biden running last time, we had all these primary candidates bobbling their heads around. amy klobuchar, pete buttigieg, and over the course or of one weekend, he became the candidate. we spent the last three weeks with democrats panicking, republicans antagonizing, it took some time, then suddenly yesterday, one swift move, joe biden makes the announcement, look at the money and the endorsements that have come in. i'm looking for the chaos. >> the consolidation of the democratic party around this, the opposite of chaos that is happening, because it's not just that it's consolidation and that there aren't other candidates out there whatever aside from mike bloomberg or whatever that moment was-- joe manchin. right. okay. it would help to be a democrat if you want to say democrat

politics. but to have the consolidation of endorsements and the clarity that is going to be harassed, but then to have this huge surge of energy, optimism, and frankly organizing. >> all the animals just got under it. >> i think the smartest thing she's done in the last 36 hours is go to the headquarters in delaware for a couple reasons. i talked to a lot of staff there, i worked with a number of them. it's really hard. they love joe biden, they love her too, but they are reeling from the last 36 hours. she went there and said to them, i love you guys, i love joe biden, and we are going to win this thing, that's incredibly powerful-- she is going to announce jen o'malley dillon will, and you played a clip of it there that i think a

lot of people watching were like "yes, i've been waiting for that." she's done versions of that. people haven't seen it. it would be understandable. for her to say, i've got to take a week, right by convention speech, i'll see you guys in a few weeks, and she didn't do that and i think that's one of the smartest things she's done in the last 36 hours. >> i think one of the data points that was apparently being shown to joe biden as he was deliberating whether to stay was the drag he posed down- ballot the numbers stand out, because it's not just about kamala harris-- this is democrats up and down. i think it's amazing to see the democratic party move so swiftly. this is not 1968 by a long stretch, i think this will also be really tough. i think this will get nasty and brutal. so, fill the coffers. 100, 106 days to go.

it is undeniable this move is reinvigorating the party. it's brought into sharp focus it's declared to the nation the democratic party sees trump as an existential threat, they are not effing around, and that will serve the party up and down the ballot. the house and the senate are important, and that should not be ignored. >> we are already seeing and campaign events the democratic senate candidates sprinting toward harris. not just endorsing, but planning events, when tammy baldwin couldn't get within 200 miles of joe biden. >> they want to talk about it, you will see them on our networks with greater regularity, because this is a good moment for them. and that should be heartwarming for those who care about democracy. >> the only campaign event this compares to his 1972, george

mcgovern as nominee had to drop his vice presidential nominee after the convention and find a new one. and they found someone who never held elective office, but he was related to kennedy and had a certain prominence, but it was a desperate, chaotic situation. and it felt desperate and chaotic, and hopeless. and the whole sensation of that was a sinking feeling. this, starting 20 minutes after joe biden made his announcement yesterday, has been a surging feeling, and all the credit for these first two days and a way this seamless transition in a campaign, a transition is never occurred before, has happened is entirely thanks to joe biden, entirely thanks to the way he managed yesterday. it makes the gigantic earth shattering announcement that goes around the world. gives it 20 minutes, then tells you, this is what we should do., let harris be the candidate, and you watch all that endorsement energy pouring

toward her from other people. they don't want to be the last one on, the ones who still have a political future want to get on soon and, you watch the money surge. young david hogg told me by the end of the day he personally had raised $250,000. from contributors all under 30. just an incredible surge of energy, because of the way joe biden orchestrated yesterday. >> 28,000 volunteers, put themselves forward in one day. it wasn't like there was a big pitch, okay, 28,000 people stood up and volunteered themselves three nicolle wallace, you've been watching and covering this throughout the day. what you make of the first 24 hours plus of kamala harris at the top of the ticket? >> joy knows this. i am often on the air when vice president harris has a live event, and we've been almost every time there is one we have taken it live.

she has been electric on the campaign trail. she has also been a superb candidate. over the last 3 1/2 weeks i think there's a feeling she was also carrying the emotional weight, and all that burst into public view today. i was on the air when the president called in, and she came out and acknowledged him after he addressed the campaign. she said we love the biden's, he chimed in and said i'm watching you, kid, i love you. contrast that-- the reason jd vance is on the ticket is because donald trump's vice president, heat not only he not only called him a name he left him to be hung. there are many ways but the best way to communicate is share your story. the story joe biden and vice

president harris and whoever she picks as a running mate it will be one they can show, and this chemistry, it is electric. it is genuine. it is real. and it is rooted in something positive and forward-looking. and i think you have to watch thursday night's speech, which we maybe lost a year of our lives sitting through those 11 hours-- it was only two. if you go back and watch that speech, then watch the speech harris gave today, and i agree with alex, it will be ugly, because the core of the republican party is fear-based. i think it will feel like a righteous campaign. you will be on the side of the entire pro-democracy coalition, which now owes joe biden and kamala harris all of their effort, all of their work. and a sacrifice that rivals the one joe biden made yesterday at 1:46 p.m. >> joy reed, you have also been

invoiced into the conversation. you just had your show, you've been covering this over the course of the day. your reaction? >> i got to be nicole, we did a fun handover. listen, i will amplify everything you all have said which is all so smart. what you see in vice president harris and vice president biden is a genuine partnership. they have genuine affection for one another, their families are generally genuinely friends. the handover from president biden to vice president harris, it calmed down the chaos in the party. that is a president's job, to take the chaos around them and to calm and organize it into something productive. president biden showed why he picked her, why it was smart to pick her, and in blessing her

he not only calmed down the chaos he created an electrifying result. i was on that 44,000 person black women's call for win with black women last night. it was on until 1:15 am raising five million dollars plus. they gave as little as $13. there is power in that. i have not personally seen anything like that energy since 2008. i will contrast that with donald trump, who picked his running mate, because his son, don jr., and tucker carlson liked him, and he made the biggest steak in modern political history. they will send women running to the party of the future. >> i have heard that is about the fifth time i've heard that analogy of that energy to 2008, and you're not hearing it from anybody picking a particular metric but they are talking about the feeling, the energy on that democratic side, the enthusiasm and the sort of "let's go" feeling among those supporting the democratic ticket.

thanks to both of you. exclusively here tonight, our nation's transportation secretary, pete buttigieg. he's appearing tonight in his personal capacity, not in his official one as a member of the biden administration. mr. secretary, thank you so much for being here. really glad to have the chance to talk. >> thanks a lot for having me on and for tonight's purposes, since i am on a private capacity, please, just call me pete. >> i will find that uncomfortable to do so. i will try to avoid calling you anything. [ laughter ] let me ask you, personally, what these last few days have been like for you. obviously he ran for president, yourself, in 2020. you are with the president's candidate cabinet. president biden has endorsed harris. what have the last few days been like? what's it been like how are you feeling? >> it's been an extraordinary few days. i was actually on an airplane

may be fittingly enough, we were making our way back home to michigan after appearing with vice president harris, saturday for a fundraiser to support the ticket in massachusetts, and like everybody got stung by the news and really moved to see the president do what he has done time and time again which is to put our country first. i think it's really important to note just how world historically rare it is for the most powerful person in the world to set aside that power. that has only happened a handful of times, especially doing it in the interest of the country and in the interest of the party, and at the same time making clear he's going to keep doing his job as president leading what has already been established as one of the most productive and one of the most unofficial presidencies in american history. and it was moved even more to

see him support vice president harris. i wanted to let her know right away that i was going to do the same and support her. we had a great conversation. i have campaigned with her, i've traveled and served with her, and she's going to be an extraordinary leader for the ticket, for the country, and for president. >> as a member of the cabinet yourself, having that relationship with her, somewhat parallel fashion with her in the last few years when the democratic party both very well- regarded in your runs for president in 2020, that nomination was gone on to be won by biden in the general. explain to our reviewers about what to expect that will be different from a campaign led by vice president harris as opposed to the campaign that we are seeing from president biden. they are obviously good partners to one another and very unified in this moment,

their expressions of mutual appreciation and love today i think put that in a very emotional term. how should we expect this campaign to be different with her at the helm? >> i think we will certainly see consistency in terms of the values in the direction. obviously she has been part of this historically effective administration. he will continue to see a focus on making sure that government is working and taking the side of people like my neighbors in michigan, people trying to get to their lives, she had a strong emphasis on the middle class. coupled with a focus on making sure we don't allow someone like donald trump, who has always acted to favor wealthy people such as him to say nothing of the threat to democracy. making sure that case is made. what's different i think is different messenger, a different leader, one who has worked closely with president biden and there's consistency

there with president biden, but she represents a different generation, she represented different style. we heard her talking about in her record as a prosecutor part of what she did was defend the public from people who ran scams are for profit universities, people who were responsible for sexual assaults and people like donald trump, and we heard this positive vision, this energizing vision. we have the tv on as she addressed the campaign staff in wilmington as we were putting the mac & cheese out for our son and daughter, and it was amazing when my daughter, who is about to be 3 pointed to the tv and said, what's that? i just felt goosebumps as i heard myself saying that is kamala harris, and she's going to be the next president. >> when you endorsed vice president harris you said you do all you can to help her win. would you serve as her vice

president if she asked you to? >> if she's going to make that decision she will do it based on what's best for the country, what's best for the party, and what's best for the ticket. i'll do everything in my power to make sure she's the next president, because it is so important. in terms of how everyday life is going to change, i think another important thing that will come of the president's extraordinary decision and sacrifice that he made is an opportunity to really refocus this campaign on what it means for people around america. of course we will talk about kamala harris and her extraordinary leadership. we will talk about donald trump and his unfitness two run for office. most of this campaign will not be about them, it will

be about the american people. and this is a chance to really bring that home. i am excited to be out there on the trail when there is an opportunity to remind people that they already agree with kamala harris and disagree with donald trump and republicans on issue after issue from texas to gun safety to a woman's right to choose. >> i don't mean to be weird and this started off weird with you asking me to call you pete. are you saying, if she asked you wouldn't say no? >> sure. we are just not in that mode right now you know. we are on the second day since the president made his decision, and i trust her. by the way, a few people in the country know more about the vice presidency and about the weight of that decision than she does. i very much trust her to make a choice that makes sense to her that is right for the party and right for the country. >> pete buttigieg, i really appreciate you being here today, sir it is a pleasure to

have you, and i appreciate you taking the time. >> thanks for having me on. >> is that weird? >> no. listen for the word no, and i don't think you will hear the word no from any-- >> gretchen whitmer said no. she would not serve as vice president. she's the only person who said no. >> there was an audible swallow. >> [ laughter ] >> i think anyone who has asked the question feels of course they want. i will say of course he should be considered. and there is a huge list of people who will be considered and should be. the most important thing, it is important to do the battleship game of this. the most important question is not in my view what state they bring, because who knows. right? or what electoral vote. it's who is the person a president harris sitting behind the resolute desk or whatever the desk is, wants to call and

say this is a hard decision. what you think? the piece of it before then is there is 105 or 106 days depending on how you count it between now and the election. it's very short. you can't have someone with no profile and no charisma. you need someone who can go out there and raise money on their own, do big events on their own, so to me those are the big things. >> she is looking at the potential all-star list. >> it's amazing. >> that's what we didn't see happened last week with donald trump. you could love or hate jd vance, but jd vance is not going to bring one single voter to donald trump that trumped an already have in his pocket. it is maga squared. and from the lineup, and nobody has who kamala harris is considering, that is bringing demographics, and that matters. >> senator cory booker, close

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last decade i have had the privilege of calling kamala harris a friend, a senate colleague, my vice president, my sister. i cannot wait to do everything i can to help her make history and call her madam president. you see the photo he posted. jen psaki? >> democratic senator cory booker hi, senator, how are you? >> i'm doing great. how are you? >> great! you are not just former colleagues, you are very good friends with the vice president. i want to start by asking if you've had a chance to speak with her since the news broke it's been a wild 30 hours. >> you will embarrass me, but we missed each other last night i kept getting text messages from her staff, but i have not talked with her yet. i'm very excited. >> you played phone tag. >> my mom said you should make

sure you are available when the vice president calls you. >> moms give good advice. let me ask you. there is so much in your history, but you sat right next to then-senator harris on the judiciary committee which means you had more front-row than almost anyone else for her incredibly effective people like bill barr. there has not been, donald trump has been backing off a little on the debate here. i think she should debate. talk to us about that skill set, and how it would translate to the debate stage. >> yeah, look. i got a chance to sit next to her sitting in the most important hearings in history, donald trump, many of his cabinet secretaries, supreme court justices and more, and i will tell you she does extremely the job, knowing her material backwards and front and has a way to getting to the heart of the matter. i'll never forget her questioning of soon to be attorney general barr and talking to him about his

enforcement of reproductive rights or frankly rick kavanaugh about reproductive rights. she had a way of exposing the absurdity of the administration it was determined to do everything it could to undermine women's reproductive rights. she is effective, and i think america will get a masters class coming up in this election about how someone deals with donald trump, who has been in many ways able to get away in debates and more, with behavior and lies and really nobody pressing him hard on his own record, and his failures and frankly criminal activity. >> to your point when she gave the speech today at the campaign had a headquarters, many saw how she is going to prosecute the case against trump. you played a role in encouraging her to run for

senate, which means you must have seen something in her when she was still the attorney general of california. the country is getting to know her. you know her well. what do you think the american people will see about her over the next 105 days? >> she's been the vice president, dutifully supporting joe biden who in no uncertain terms i believe is the best president we've had in my lifetime in terms of delivering things. at the same time she was not really someone the american public got to know at the level they get to know their president. so i am excited for america to discover her truth, her heart, her character. she is someone that really passionately cares about people, especially people that are over-looked or looked down upon. she has a moral compass that is unwavering. and i think we need this in a prison. she is tall, she is tough, she has some of joe biden's superpower of empathy and

grace. so, this will be a wonderful 106 days where i think america every day will discover more things about her. what i've seen is amazing, the most money raised in a 24-hour period ever. this shows a volcanic eruption, i think there's been a hunger for this next generation kind of candidate. someone who represents the future, who represents her our hopes and respirations and has the leadership to deliver. i think america wants to turn the page and start moving towards a new generation of possibility and hope, and i think it will be exciting for a lot of people and more will come on board. 60% of her donors had not been contributing to this 2024 cycle. so it is exciting on how many people she will get off the

sidelines and onto the field to help us win in november. >> the question for the last 30 hours have been historic. every democrat i talked to is incredibly energized. my colleague alex wagner is saying this will be a very tough election. i want to ask you about all of the inevitable sexist and racist attacks. we've already seen them coming from maga world and donald trump over the years. it will pick up. part of the goal is to cut her down and feed into this idea that the country is not ready to elect an african american woman. so how should the campaign and people out there who were worried about those attacks, how should they be responding to these attacks as they inevitably come? >> first, you call them what they are. this election is about the american people. it is who is going to best deliver for kitchen table

economics as the biden-harris team has already done with insulin, it will help a beater feud it will help a better future for frankly reproductive rights that are being rolled back by the supreme court. and so i think keeping the focus not on whatever kind of slurs and hate and misogyny we are going to experience it's not about what they say about us, it's about how much we show up every day relentlessly and tell our truth. we as a party are bigger than a party. at its best the democratic party is the party of we and not the party of me. it is a party of inclusion and not exclusion. historic diversity, women's rights, lgbtq rights and civil rights. it also the party of labor and unions. these are the kinds of things i think america wants and you see trump and his vice presidential nominee trying to turn in many ways distorting the truth of their project 2025 and with

union leaders trying to pretend there is something there is not. the people want to be united around an administration that really is focused on american excellence and making sure every american is being seen and valued. and i'm telling you that is something kamala harris will do as presidents of the united states. >> senator cory booker, inspiring words. thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> what he said there about vice president harris has some of the same superpower that joe biden has i am cognizant of the fact we described two different things, as his superpower, that he is often underestimated, and the other being his empathy, that his means of connecting with people both through the television screen and mediating forces the president has

available to him and one on one when he's looking eye to eye with that empathy. i think for senator booker to identify that in vice president harris is right. i think that's true about her. but, i think it's also a big part of why joe biden picture in the first place, because that was the important characteristic that they shared, and lots of good politicians have other things, but they don't necessarily have that. >> i am sad cory booker didn't mention, harris taught him how to cut an onion. >> they are super close. >> she got on her face time and was like this is how you do it. she is a legitimate cook. if you get her started on food she will talk about it. when you talk empathy not so much waxing overly poetic but cooking is a form of love and generosity, and i am sure we will hear about it. >> leave your notes in the comments. next you tonight and reporting about how the trump

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trump campaign is handling the developments of the last 36 hours or so you could listen to jd vance absolutely rocking the house on his first full day of campaigning, or you could consider these couple headlines less than two weeks apart. both from the deeply sourced reporter tim alberta. earlier this month tim alberta published this important piece the result of months of reporting from inside the trump campaign. trump is planning for a landslide win. note the subhead here, and his campaign is all but praying joe biden doesn't drop out. that was a couple weeks ago. this today is tim alberta's latest piece, after joe biden did drop out and endorsed his vice president kamala harris, this is exactly what the trump team feared , a campaign that had been optimized to beat joe biden must now be reinvented.

in the new political world that has cracked open the last day and a half there is a specific regret bubbling in trump world that may be a far right freshman senator nobody has really heard of who has been created in a tech lab both opposed to democracy and letting women have the right to vote, that guy maybe wasn't the ideal choice to be vice president for donald trump, especially now that it looks less like republicans have this in the bag. the most striking thing i've heard from trump allies was the second-guessing of jd vance, a selection they acknowledged it was born of cockiness rather than persuade voters. >> i also was struck by that

particular line in tim's reporting. and joining us now, staff writer at the atlantic, the great tim alberta. i would love it if you could please elaborate on the buyers remorse in the trump campaign around jd vance you are hearing about. also seeing as you have a magic eight ball none of us possess what kind of vice presidential pick do you sense team trump is most concerned about as presumably nominee harris is making deliberations? >> good evening, alex, that's a good question. let me take the first part about the buyers remorse. i think that is overstating it. i don't see anyone having a meltdown inside trump hq at this point, but i think certainly what i have detected in conversations over the last 24 hours is a little bit of the second-guessing and a counter fact that everyone is thinking about here.

because, if you really place the selection of jd vance in the context of the last couple months donald trump was always operating on parallel tracks and thinking about his running mate. on the one track he was thinking about kind of a vanilla noncontroversial caretaker type. someone who like mike pence did, provided reassurance to voters on the fence about him, and that's where people like doug burgum were really appealing. on the other track it was the thought of picking someone who was old, more ideological, someone who had more than edge and could be an heir to the maga empire, and that's where trump got enamored with the idea of jd vance. the trump campaign was leaning in the first direction towards a doug or gum-like candidate to nominate as vp, but i think it's not coincidental that as

the campaign more recently over the last six weeks or so as the campaign really felt like it was pulling away and getting into a position not just to defeat joe biden, but potentially blow biden out and have the house, have the senate, be in the position to really pass dramatic governing agenda populist agenda that they've never been able to accomplish in a first term, that's not cool coincidental when people around him saying hey we could go with someone like vance. now if biden eating out and with the race resetting in this way i think there is certainly second-guessing. if, harris is able to piece together a viable campaign and take this to the wire against trump then they are going to think to themselves does jd vance help us with a lot of these suburban swing voters on the fence in the way that

someone else could have? to that same point this is where, harris, where kamala harris's selection of a running mate will be huge. folks are worried about two people, mark kelly, senator from arizona, and josh schapiro, governor of pennsylvania. both of these gentlemen are able, potentially, to put into play a battleground state trump folks were confident was off the map. jd vance doubles down on strengths of trump, but ohio is in the bag. he has appeal in pennsylvania, wisconsin, some of the rust belt states, but 48 hours ago the trump people were talking about expanding the map about playing new hampshire, minnesota, running up the electoral score in the 320s. at this point now they recognize if, harris really gets her act together.

shapiro to the ticket, suddenly that map is quickly contracting back down and potentially trump his playing defense in some of these states he thought were already put away. >> there is going to be a lot more reporting that needs to be done and i'm going to look to you, tim alberta, to do it, in terms of what is happening inside a campaign that is, as you report, optimized around joe biden. tim alberta, staff writer with the atlantic. thanks so much for your th reporting and thoughts. rachel? >> we are very lucky that tim alberta was embedded in that campaign and developed those relationships before all of this happened, so we could see through him the way that they th reacted to it. it's fascinating. >> on the record deep inside the campaign with chris les avital and judy wiles, the two spend gullies of the trump organization. >> if you are joining us, just coming up on 9:00 p.m. co

eastern time. thank you for being with us for our special coverage in this incredible moment in american politics. we were speaking earlier about vice president harris having made two public appearances today for the first time since h president biden left his reelection bid to her, effectively stepping down from his effort to achieve a second term and instead endorsing her. in that time we've seen this remarkable consolidation of support for her in the su democratic party, and also an incredible wave of energy, and honestly money, fundraising, from donors large and small, trying to build her campaign into what looks like it's goingk to be a juggernaut effort against donald trump and j.d. vance. first public appearance today was that an event at the white house with ncaa athletes. her second appearance was in delaware at campaign headquarters. it was an interesting dynamic there because she gave a little bit of a stump speech, a little bit of a pep talk to the gathered staff but so did

president biden. president biden not there in person. he is still isolating at home in delaware with covid but he appeared at that event, sort of virtually, or audibly, and said this to the staff. >> i know yesterday's news is surprising and hard for you to hear but it was the right thing to do. i know it's hard because you poured your heart and soul into me, to help us win this thing, help me get this nomination. the name has changed on top of the ticket but the mission hasn't changed at all. so i'm hoping you'll give everyn bit of your heart and soul that you gave to me to count on. >> president joe biden appearing effectively on speakerphone at his campaign headquarters today, again, still isolating with covid although we have learned since we've been on the air tonight that president biden is due to leave delaware and return to the white house for the first time since his covid diagnosis as of tomorrow afternoon.

we don't know what that means in terms of expected remarks from the president. ar we do expect that he will make some sort of speech after having made the announcement that he was abandoning his reelection effort the a paper statement that he posted online. we don't know when that speech will be but again, president joe biden will be back at the white house, we are told tomorrow afternoon. when he thanked his campaign staff today for pouring their heart and soul into helping him win, he asked them to now transfer that, to give the same, to, harris. that transfer does appear to be happening basically at every level of democratic politics, from state artese, which are one by one now pledging all of their delegates to vice president harris, all the way to congress, where we are c seeing just a flood of endorsements for her and only her. among the many endorsements for harris thus far is one that has just come from the congressional progressive caucus pac. the congressional progressive caucus pac same, quote,, harris will defeat donald trump, not only because she offers a

stronger economic vision, but because she will defend the fundamental rights and freedoms that maga republicans are attacking across the nation. congresswoman camilla jayapal is the cochair of the is progressive caucus pac and she's standing by with jordy reed. joy, over to you. b >> thank you very much, rachel, and welcome congresswoman jayapal. thanks for joining us. ch i do want to jump right in on that exact point. progressive democrats, the progressive caucus really i p think surprised a lot of people by standing so firmly with president biden as so many other groups are pushing him to exit the race. the progressives stuck with him so tell me the level of excitement about this shift andx his handover to vice president harris. >> well, joy, it's great to see you, as always. look, i think the progressive caucus has been president biden's largest bloc of votes through his whole back better

agenda, that whole first two ag years and everything we got done. we saw president biden layout we something that was really remarkable, a progressive economic vision that lived up ec working people, that taxes the wealthiest, that makes sure that no matter who you are in no matter what your income is, no matter what your race is, no matter where you are in the country, you have opportunity. and i think that was really achy effort for all of us to come together and to help get those things done. so yes, there was a lot of loyalty to president biden. i also think that there were concerns. it wasn't like everybody was completely on the same page, but i think you can't just look at who the nominee needs to be in isolation. you need to look at all of the past. i never believed that we shouldi be having that conversation in public. i believed that we should be t having it in private, but what happened, happened. now i think what you have seen is a remarkable comment together, now that president biden has made that decision to step away, to endorse, harris. there was just an incredible

level of excitement and support for her, because she is the candidate that was actually voted for, just like president biden was, by millions of people across the country. delegates voted for the biden/harris ticket, so they know her and they know that she is a part of president biden's agenda as well as the past agenda, as well as the 100 day agenda that he's laid forward, that he spoke about in detroit. she's obviously going to put her stamp on that but i think we all feel very comfortable we that she is going to be able to build that same fragile coalition that we had in 2020 with progressives, with swing voters, with women, black, brown, young people. there is really that energy now and so i'm just really proud to be all in for her. as i said to her, when she called me yesterday right after the president need his announcements, i'm 1000% in. got to win this and she is the one who is uniquely capable of

prosecuting, in every sense of the word, donald trump, on our rights, on our freedoms, and presenting that working-class agenda, that agenda for poor people that is really going to mobilize people to know how mo their life will change when kamala harris is president of the united states. >> congresswoman, i just wanted to dig into a couple of those issues, that we know that there was obviously a lot of hard work that the progressive caucus did with the president. one of the issues that there was a divide on was obviously israel/gaza. the gaza conflict has been a source of consternation for many younger voters and it kindr of started to peel away from him. kamala harris got a much bettero reception on college campuses around that issue. pu her presentation seemed to be less divisive. we've now seen that she will not be sitting in the well of the house when prime minister

benjamin netanyahu gives his joint address, which he was invited to do. she will not be there. sh she will actually be in indianapolis, presenting to the zeta phi beta sorority incorporated. she'll be there, doing that instead. she's going to meet with prime minister netanyahu, as will the president, but she's not going to be there. that's a big kind of deal. i've heard from a lot of f palestinian americans and some who were in an activist role who say they feel relieved that she will be the head of the ticket, because it actually reopens the door for some of those voters who were turned away on that issue. what you make of that? >> i think that's absolutely right. i had an opportunity to speak with the vice president when she was in seattle a couple of weeks ago about israel/gaza. we spent about 45 minutes talking about it and i do think she has a deep empathy for the situation of palestinian americans. it's more natural to her. i also think she's hearing from a lot of black clergy. as you know, joy, this is one , of the top issues in the black community, is this war, and i

think that there is some real resonance with the palestinian people, in a very different way. obviously she doesn't have joe biden's long history with netanyahu. she was not on the senate foreign relations committee for all those decades, things that shaped him on that issue. and i think that she has shown time and time again that she is able to call for a cease-fire, for example, to talk about the plight of women, palestinians, women who are being killed, the fact that 85% of children in gaza have not had food for over a day, in many cases. a and so i think these are things that she feels very comfortable talking about, and i think there's a new opportunity to appeal to -- and i'm not saying it will be easy, but i do think there's a new opportunity to appeal to muslim voters, two

young voters, two arab-american voters, to black voters, to te labor voters. these are all folks who care about this issue and think that benjamin netanyahu has basically t done everything to stop any kind of a cease-fire or peace agreement. d so i think that's a huge opportunity and i think she is going to be able to really shift the calculus on this. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, i want to have you back. i want to talk to you about the aapi's community reaction to her, because all my friends whoa are indian american are losing their minds. >> on telling people how to pronounce her name. it's kamala. it means lotus in hindi. >> i'm telling you, all the aunties in the aapi community au are going wild. pramila jayapal, congresswoman, thanks very much. back to you, rachel. >> that was excellent. the first time i mispronounced then senator harris. no, i think she was then attorney general harris's name, i got like 17 calls from

friends, 15 of whom were indian american, who were like just think comma. comma. it's okay, your mnemonic is it comma. i'll never forget it again. it's burned into the. over these last few weeks of sort of storm drain in the democratic party over what was going to happen with the presidential ticket, one of the key dynamics that i think was t noted by a lot of sharp observers of the process, sharp observers of this president, is that president biden keeps the circle around him tight. joe biden has been in politics a very, very long time. he has held on to key advisors for a long time, held onto key staff for a long time. overlong portions of that long record, po he's had the same people very near to him. that creates an intense circle h of trust around him that is nevertheless small. one of the biden lifers who hasn been a key man, particularly in this phase of his career, in this at the station, is ron claim, longtime advisor and former chief of staff to

president biden. and ron joins f us now live. mr. kate lane, it's really nice of you to be here with us tonight. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> let me ask you about the president's health. i know you've been in t touch with him. he has covid. we have heard from the we president's physician that he has finished his course of paxlovid and is doing better. pa can you tell us anything about how he's doing? >> i'm not a doctor but i talked to him today. he sounded better and very excited about the vice president's campaign and excited about calling into that event in wilmington and coming v back to washington, and when the time is right, getting out on the campaign trail on her behalf. he's very fired up about her race. >> his voice sounded strong, i had to say, phoning into that event, which i was happy to ch hear . then we got the news that he's going to be back at the white house tomorrow. that seems additionally like for the good news.

all that said, and i hear the sort of confidence and sort of o optimism in your voice, this op has to have been just a searing few days, particularly sunday, particularly yesterday, for the president. how -- what can you tell us about how difficult this was for him, personally, and the level of confidence he had in the decision once he decided he was going to do it. >> the president is a fighter. he wanted to fight to win this election and he had been on the trail since the debates, i thought very effectively, in north carolina and michigan, doing a press conference after the nato summit, and wanted to fight and win this campaign. but i think he came to the conclusion that it wasn't possible. he has a nctremendous degree of

confidence in vice president harris, endorsed her in the statement that he withdrew from the race and has gone all in on her behalf, as all of us have. i think the american people saw it today and her speech was, she's going to be a great candidate. i can tell you as a person who was her next-door neighbor on the west wing for two years and saw her in action in the situation room in the oval office, she will be a great president. she's ready to do this job, she'll do great on the campaignr trail. she'll do great in the oval office next year. >> how much effort, planning, forethought, sort of gaming things out was done about trying to make this a smooth transition, trying to make this with what my colleague lawrence o'donnell earlier described as effectively a seamless transition. the statement that came out be from president biden yesterday at 1:46 p.m. eastern initially did not include the endorsement but less than half an hour later he then sent out a second statement, unequivocally and clearly endorsing vice president harris. that set off a remarkable at consolidation and wave of energy in the democratic party that is very clearly established that she will be the nominee and nobody has obviously come out and said that they should be the nominee instead. how much of that was natural and organic? how much of that

was orchestrated, was planned, was gained out in advance? >> i think it was almost all naturally organic but the president, as he said today, loves the vice president. his first decision is our party's nominee was to pick her to be his running mate. that means she was the right person to take over if he couldn't. he worked with her every day for the past three years and saw her in action, saw the advice she gave in the situation room in the oval si office, of work she did on capitol hill to help pass this agenda that you and congresswoman jayapal were talking about before. jordy reed and congresswoman jayapal were talking about before. so she's been a partner getting all of this done. support for her is natural and look, the reality is she's the only person other than joe biden to get 80 million votes in this country, and this is not some kind of coronation. she is the product of a popular process that put her in the ut vice presidency and she is the choice of i think the

democratic voters, and we'll see that as this process unfolds, and people saw her camping today. she was a great campaigner and i think it's absolutely natural that people rally behind her. th >> ron, today the dnc chairman jaime harrison announced that the party will deliver a presidential nominee by august 7, which means there's not going to be any choosing a nominee at the convention. this is not going to be 1968. in establishing the plan, setting out the rules memo se about how this is going to happen, it seems pretty clearly that this is going to be not only not chaotic but an orderly fashion that's within the rules as everybody understands them. as far as the dnc is handling this, the plan to do a virtual nomination, virtual rollcall ahead of the convention itself,u does that all seem right to you? obviously there's different ways they could've approached this but does this seem like the right approach from the party? >> it is the right approach, i think, rachel. first of all it's the same as doing a convention, the same delegates will vote, they'll

just vote early. why they vote early, so we can make sure that vice president harris's name is on the ballot in all 50 states. our convention is unusually late this year because of the timing of the republican convention and the timing of the olympics. it's unusually late as ina resu to make sure that she's on the ballot in all 50 states. we need to confirm the party's nominee before the early august deadlines and a handful of states, particularly in ohio where there's been all sorts of chicanery about this the state of ohio. so i think being careful about it, it doesn't change the outcome here. the delegates still vote. they're just going to vote by using a different mechanism than they would in chicago. same people, same boat, same sa delegates. same way of choosing a nominee just a couple days early to make sure that our candidate is on the ballot in all 50 states. >> one last question for you, ron. what should we expect from president biden in terms of campaigning with his vice president? this is unusual circumstance where you've got effectively reelection campaign with the incumbent president in what will be a supporting role on the campaign. what will that look like? what should we expect from the two of them in terms of joining

forces to try to in november? >> i think this is her campaign. people are going to want to see her out there bringing the message like she did today in wilmington. i think the president will join her when that's helpful and effective and whatever she asks, he has a job to do. he's president of the united states. he'll do that job first and foremost but i think when she wants him on the campaign trail, he'll be out there just like president obama campaigning in the closing daysa of the 2020 election for president biden, just like there were some appearances by president clinton on behalf of vice president gore in 2000. i think it will be the same kind of thing that we've seen in the past, that when it the time and the place and it's effective, and it helps rally voters, she'll ask him to come out on the campaign trail and he'll do it. she can make a very strong case for her. he's worked with her every day i these four years. he's seen how effective she is and he feels very strongly about her election so he'll be out there with full voice and full throat, telling voters what he knows, that this is a person who is a great candidate for president and will be a

great president next year. >> president biden's former white house chief of staff ron klain, thank you so much for your time tonight. i'm sure you haven't slept in a few weeks. really appreciate you being here with us. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> since last night, harris has been piling up endorsements from the major labor unions in the country, an incredibly important constituency in this country in democratic politics, one where the republican party is trying to make a plate come up with the notable exception of the united auto workers union. a lot of labor unions have already come out and endorsed, harris. now uaw previously endorsed joe biden. we're going to speak with iothe president of the uaw about that next. we also got minnesota senator 80 clemishire who is going to be joining us live onset. we've got so much to get to. h stay with us. we have so much to come for this special coverage. we'll be back. we'll be back.

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labor unions and labor groups including the american federation of teachers, the international brotherhood of electrical workers, the united farmworkers, the amalgamated transit union, the international union of painters and allied trades, the united food and commercial workers international union, communication workers of america, afscme, american federation of state, county and municipal employees, america's largest federation of unions, the afl-cio. they have all come out explicitly in the last 30 hours and endorsed kamala harris for president of the united states. now one big, important, influential high-profile union that has not explicitly endorsed kamala harris yet is the united auto workers, uaw. earlier this year the uaw endorsed president biden after he became the first sitting president ever to walk a picket line with striking autoworkers, ever since the uaw's endorsement of joe biden republican donald trump has been lashing out at the union

and specifically at uaw president shawn fain. donald trump even made a weird non sequitur ad lib. in his discursive, unending convention speech that shawn fain should be fired. the delegates are like, are we clapping for that, what is this? in a statement after joe biden's announcement that he would no longer stand for reelection, the uaw made a point of saying this, quote, vice president kamala harris walked the picket line with us in 2019 and along with president biden has brought work and jobs back to communities like lordstown, ohio and belvidere, illinois., quote, the path forward is clear. we will defeat donald trump and his billionaire agenda and elect a champion for the working class to the highest office in this country, and that statement from uaw. jen psaki, over to you. >> all right. thank you so much, rachel. joining us now is united auto workers president shawn fain. thank you so much for joining

us this evening. rachel just gave a very long list of all of the unions that have endorsed, harris, the vice president who is now going to be likely the nominee. united auto workers is not on that list. are you ready to join that list and make an announcement tonight? >> thank you for having us and look, we have a process we follow and just like anything, let's be real. this last couple weeks has been a very -- just a very emotional few weeks and especially these last few days, seeing president biden make a sacrifice for this nation. and look, i got to tell you it's a bittersweet moment because i love president biden. the greatest resident of my lifetime, the most prolabor president of my lifetime. and obviously he did the honorable thing, and think about that. can you imagine donald trump putting his ego aside and doing what's right for the country? it would never happen. with vice president harris we

have a process we follow. the membership, the international executive order in charge of this and we are going to be discussing things over the next few days, and then we'll choose that path forward and we'll make announcements as we deem fit. but one thing i do know, president biden, first president in history that join striking workers on the picket line. kamala harris was right there with us in 2019 when donald trump was president. you know where donald trump wasn't in 2019? he sure as hell wasn't on a picket line. >> no doubt about that and i traveled with president biden to visit union workers, and i know the support and their response is really incredible. tell us what you said, it's a couple of days maybe for this

process. is there a deadline or timeline we should anticipate, and what exactly is your executive committee looking for as they're considering this? because vice president harris was of course, it's the biden/harris agenda and everything they fought for are the things i assume they supported when they endorsed joe biden. >> we are looking at a lot of things right now. we have our team looking at other people. not i don't believe as president of candidates but other possible vice presidential candidates and things like that. we feel like we have an obligation to represent working- class interests. when we meet and have those discussions with vice president harris's team, we want to have input and talk about what we are seeing and what we are hearing from our members, and from our board. so we are not going to rush in and just throw it out there. we want to have fruitful discussions when we meet and i think it's important we do that. we owe that to them. >> absolutely. let me ask you, i know there's been a lot of calls that have been happening of president biden, vice president harris. have you had the chance to speak with either of them over the last day and a half? >> unfortunately i believe vice president harris tried to call me yesterday and i was in the unfortunate situation with the airlines. a couple flights were canceled and when she did try to call i

was in the air and could not take a call so we have reached out and expressed, anytime she's ready to talk we'll have a talk with her and look forward to it. >> thank you so much, president of the united auto workers, shawn fain. we will all be waiting to hear what happens with your endorsement process. really appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> shawn fain, i will say every time i posted shawn fain on my show before, and i've talked a lot about united auto workers and that remarkable strike effort that they had this year. he agitates people in power so much, in such exactly the way he wants to agitate them. i get people -- the way he talks about economic issues, the way he talks about class, the way he talks about billionaires, the way he talks about the improper influence of money in politics so gets under the skin of people who feel entitled to say that they want to pick a bone, have a bone to pick with me about my coverage. >> he doesn't do it in a class

warfare sort of way. he does it in a completely practical way and you just can't wiggle out of it. >> he is a very, very, very effective union leader and a very effective influential figure in democratic politics, and he drives donald trump absolutely crazy. the fact that he mentioned him by name, specifically, and it wasn't in trump's prepared remarks. he ad-libbed an attack on shawn fain in his convention speech. >> under his skin in a very strange 90 minute speech we all watched that included hannibal lector, as well, as we all remember. he went after shawn fain and what shawn fain did in response was issue a direct, lengthy statement. he went after him on lordstown, ohio, and not failing to deliver on his promise there. he went after him over and over again in this state. that's the right way to take on a bully. that's the other thing. the next day donald trump went on to talk about who he was going to deliver for elon musk. donald trump in the last three days said elon musk has given me $45 million a month, we've

got to make that guy happy. you know what elon musk doesn't like? auto unions. absolutely not. that's what tesla is known for and it's why it was almost puzzling last week you saw the head of the teamsters out there on the stage at the rnc. the audience was sort of like yay, we want your vote but we are antiunion. >> and the vice presidential candidate saying we are for the working class, not wall street. from the top of the ticket to the second spot on the ticket. >> the real estate developer and eventual capital guy are obviously for the working man. >> that's why this campaign needs to educate the american voter, because in this age of misinformation, j.d. vance's spiel and donald trump saying i'm coming to your town and i'm working for you, kamala harris and her campaign need to show people what they are doing and what donald trump will not be doing. >> that's exactly right. still ahead tonight we will speak with democratic senator amy klich are. she's going to be alive onset. we got more as our special coverage continues. stay with us. >> i am firsthand witness that every day our president joe

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senator amy klobuchar. great to see you. >> the last time you were here i had a coughing fit and you had to take over my show. >> that actually happened. i think you were on the floor and i just kept talking. >> you kept talking so they could keep the camera on you while i fell on the floor, coughing. >> i have layers of points about healthcare that no one knew existed. i just kept going. everyone said, wow, rachel must really, to let you talk that long. >> what is your reaction to president biden's decision, his decision to remove himself from consideration for reelection, but also his endorsement of vice president harris he'll >> well first of all, he took the honorable path and he did it with grace and you think about his incredible career, and to me it's not just the legacy, which jen knows so well , of the infrastructure, of the bringing nato, making it stronger, most importantly bringing back the rule of law, putting ketanji brown jackson

on the supreme court. but it's also about moving forward. and for him, moving forward as these next six months but it's also passing the torch onto the next generation of leaders. i've had my own experience with him. i gave one of my first speeches on the senate floor and it was about domestic violence, and the only timeslot i could get, there was no one there except maybe the pages. i don't know. so i give this speech, and i get off the floor, and the phone rings. and i think, oh maybe it's my mom. my mom didn't even stay up to watch this. it was joe biden. he was a senator and he called and said that, hey kid, really good job. and i noticed today when the vice president, who i believe will be the future president, addressed the campaign crowd, he said, good job, kid. and it just reminded me of that role that he is playing and has played and that's what you're going to see in these next few

months of this campaign. and so many people he has fostered their careers and their lives and i'm just really excited about this. and of course having run with both of them, i think you moderated one of the debates, the very cold abate. >> yes, i'm sorry. you were under a vent. it wasn't fair. you were colder than everybody else. it was moving your hair a weird way. >> i was standing next to kamala in that debate. i just think she's going to do a great job as a candidate and as a president. she's going to bring receipts to this. she's been on the world stage. she's made an incredibly important decisions with the president that has gotten our country through this pandemic in much stronger economic position, and i'm just looking forward to seeing her on the world stage. >> there are a lot of debates i think we are all looking forward to. you serve in the senate with j.d. vance, as well, and we know that from reporting in the atlantic from tim alberta that there might be a little bit of concern about j.d. vance maybe being too much of a own the libs choice to appeal

to a broader section of the electorate, and especially now that the ticket has changed. what do you think the harris team should be looking for in a vice presidential nominee, especially when you think about it in the context of j.d. vance? >> i think it's going to be, first of all we got to get through our own process. big tent. i don't see many people emerging to run but we're going to have to get through that, and at the same time, kamala harris is going to be picking a running mate and i think it should be someone she trusts, should be someone who augments her own skills, and someone that could step in and govern. and there's just incredible choices out there. i think she'll pick someone good and i think it will continue this theme of generational change. what i saw at their convention was sort of a doubling down on their support, sort of the hulk hogan situation. >> not just a metaphor. >> it actually happened. so

that's kind of what i see happening here. it's just going to be able to reach out to a lot of people in this country. >> our colleague joy reed is in washington and wants to ask you a question. >> wow senator. good to talk to you. i have just been sort of in a wormhole of the 2016 versus 2020 demographics of the election. i think a lot of women in this country have their pantsuits from the hillary clinton campaign sort of involved in their closets and they probably weep over them every so often. it was the closest that we previously came to electing a woman president and hillary clinton won by 3 million votes. her narrow margin of defeat in these three key swing states, you know, was because she had a huge deficit with particularly men versus what happened when joe biden won. and joe biden over indexed on a few demographics. men. he won them but there was an 11 point gap, right? joe biden shrunk that gap. he did much better among white men in particular. he ate into that.

and while hillary clinton barely lost white women, she lost them 49% to 47% to donald trump, despite all his issues, joe biden did better with white women, as well. for that white women cohorts, it's a small gap that kamala harris would have to make up. is roe enough to make up that gap so that white women will come home to the democratic party, which is not a normal thing? it's normally a mostly republican votes. how does kamala harris close that gap and can she closed the gap with men? >> i think it can close many gaps. difference, we know a lot more about donald trump than we did at that moment. we saw what he was like as president. we saw the divisiveness and we saw what happened. the issue of abortion, you can see it from the prairies of kansas to the supreme court race in wisconsin. you could see it in what we saw the virginia legislative races to what happened in the governor's race in kentucky.

it made a difference all over the country in all these races and kamala harris, who i watched cross-examine these very supreme court justices who made this decision, is going to be on the same debate stage, i hope, with donald trump, who issued a video this year in which he said he proudly was the one who overturned roe v wade. i don't know how much of a stark difference you can have than that. we know the chaos that it has unleashed. we know the women bleeding out in parking lots waiting to get their healthcare, the problems were even ivf and mifepristone and all contraception are at risk. that is going to be a major issue and there is no better person to prosecute that case then, harris. you're also going to have the fact that she was a prosecutor and this is a guy with over 100 felony indictments and a number of convictions. so you're going to see major differences on that. >> senator amy klobuchar, are you busy? >> just a little bit.

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americans. she's trying to make a point there, kind of an elegant point about how in order to make progress you also have to know where you came from. you didn't just fall out of a coconut tree, right? but out of context it does sound -- well i don't know. i don't know, how does it sound to you? turned out it was almost designed in a lab to become a meme so in the last week or so with the fervor building in the democratic party about harris potentially becoming the democratic presidential nominee, this moment has started bouncing around the internet again. this person has added sparkles, as you see. this is why the governor of colorado included a coconut and tree emoji when he endorsed her yesterday. this is why hawaii senator brian schatz posted a photo of himself scaling an actual coconut tree when he posted his congratulation and endorsement. and then at some point in the night last night the meme of vocation of kamala harris took on a life of its own. a lot of it is just kamala harris being, harris with her distinct belly laugh, her big

signature laugh that a lot of people like, so some people, someone made a 2 1/2 minute montage of just her cracking up and laughing. this is a video of kamala harris talking about how much she loves venn diagrams. >> i really do. i love venn diagrams. >> that's it. that's all it is. it's all over the internet today. here is a widely shared video of kamala harris just dancing with kids. you could set this to anything. and then there is brat. charlie xc x is a pop artist point she has a wildly popular album out this summer that's called brat. this is the cover. black loaf i text over a green background. last night charlie xc x tweeted this,, that is brat. to be totally honest with you, i'm not really sure i know what that means but apparently the internet knows. kamala harris overlaid in green to a song off of the record,

brat. me just calling it a record. there i go. a mashup of the coconut thing put to a song off the album. >> you exist in the context of all in which you live and of what came before you. >> the newly minted harris campaign is fully leaning into their candidate being maimed they changed their campaign twitter background to look like the brat album cover. they tweeted out a fresh new venn diagram, which you know is vice president harris's favorite means of data visualization. what did biden hq and, the hq have in common? where do they overlap? holding frump accountable. aren't you glad i made you stay for that? >> some of this actually started with republicans trying to go after, and go after her last. they go after the kamala. they go after the coconut tree line and the like and what i like about this, as a woman candidate and as we saw during the presidential, women candidates are held to the standards that are nearly impossible to make.

and i love that they're just owning it and making fun of it, and kind of becoming an icon because of its. and i think you've got to -- we've learned this over time as we've learned what happened to other women candidates including secretary clinton, when they ran. they kind of got to own some of this, and while this is a lot of fun and cool, and i think you're going to see the difference between maybe a biden candidacy and a, larry's candidacy, there's going to be some differences. this is one of them. it also just shows that they're going to have to run a different way to take this on because this started, some of this started, not the brat part at the coconut tree and the left, it started with them trying to attack her so they're like okay, go for it. >> it's a campaign, it's a good campaign instinct. if somebody is taking you on for something that's not actually bad, i don't like your voice, i don't like your smile, i don't like your left, you're

too old, you're too young, whatever it is, if they are doing it in a way that actually isn't substantively something you're worried about, the right thing to do is to boomerang that, is to turn it around and say, oh yes, i'm going to campaign on my left. i'm going to campaign on these things that you're trying to turn into a negative that i know shouldn't be seen that way. it's not always easy to execute but they're doing it. >> no question. we've been talking a little bit tonight about what's coming her way, which is sexism, misogyny, racism, a lot of this. and making fun of her life, i hope she never changes her left, by the way. it's an authentic part of who she is. i saw you getting all this kind of emotional before when you were talking about joe biden, which is by the way how a lot of people i've spoken to who love him so much have felt, but what can we expect from harris moving forward? how is she going to take on these attacks on her that are so gross and so misogynistic and so sexist, and how do you think the campaign should do that? >> she's going to do it with her head held high. she has an incredible posture. let's start with that and i think that's how she's got to

go. she's got a lot of it is we tell women candidates, i do all the time, when everything started, just let it go. and then a lot of it, they're going to have to take them on. you've got to always draw that line when you are going to call them out for it and when are you going to make fun of it. when are you going to own it and when are you going to, again, make fun of it? some of it is going to have to be not taking everything's earthly, because donald trump says crazy stuff all the time, and as we saw in the hour and a half speech of which i listened to every word and i think that's what they're going to have to decide, but i think her general demeanor and the way she handles things, she's not going to let it get to hurt because she knows she's got a much bigger job and that's to get things done for the people of this country. >> senator amy klobuchar of minnesota, it's good to have you here. you should come by more often. >> i will. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. ay with us.

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