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as maga attacks dp harris, what did 2016 teach us about the politics of gender and harris's fight ahead? also tonight you'll hear from a daca recipient about donald trump's horrific promises of mass deportation. and elon musk and what he said that his transgender daughter refuses to let slide. i'm bobby ramos in for i am in motivating. let's do this. let's do this. >> earlier this week hillary clinton published an op-ed with the new york times laying out why she believes that, harris can win the presidential election. she expressed hope about harris's campaign while also acknowledging the additional challenges she faces is the first black woman in the first south asian woman at the top of the major party's ticket. writing, quote, that's real but we shouldn't be afraid. it is a

trip to believe that progress isn't possible. she knows what she's saying. she knows what she's talking about.'s words are coming from a former presidential candidate who weathered an onslaught of republican attacks based on her gender during the 2016 campaign. that gets to the heart of the question we're asking tonight. in 2024, what if anything has changed over the past eight years? this is since 2016, some historic moments have shaped the way the public talks about gender and women's rights. there was the me to movement, which exposed sexual harassment and toppled powerful men. the supreme court overturned roe v wade, of course, the federal right to abortion and in recent years the gop has repeatedly proven that it is hellbent on controlling women's bodies and it's doubling down on that effort. as one independent voter, this retired nurse, 64-year-old karen crowley in new hampshire told the new york times,, quote, women are angrier and that can be motivating. that takes us to 2024, where former president donald trump and his allies are attacking his new woman opponent, in the presidential race. >> then hillary endorsed kamala harris, obviously because she's a woman. >> this woman who is literally

a dei hire, a woman who laughs about little yellow school buses and venn diagrams, who cackles like an insane woman, how are you going to jump, how are you going to skip over her cause she's female in her skin color is the correct dei color? >> first off, he said he's going to hire a black female for vice president, and just skipped over -- what about white females? what about any other group? when you go down that route you take mediocrity and that's what they have right now. >> what? those comments that you just heard are more tired, discriminatory tropes. in fact, comments like these are galvanizing. take for instance the widespread women led backlash to this resurfaced 2021 comment from j.d. vance when he called harris one

of the, quote, childless cat ladies who wants to make the rest of the country miserable, too. those remarks sparked a rallying cry from proud cat ladies across the country, from jennifer aniston to swifties everywhere . then there's a candidate herself, kamala harris. back in 2020, hillary clinton's top campaign advisor jennifer palmieri told politico, quote, kamala harris has her whole life had to be very clear about who she is, a one of color, a woman of mixed race. she's had to really define herself, and that is why i think it is hard for people to throw her off her game in a way that other women candidates sometimes get pigeonholed. joining me now to discuss, bonita tolliver, msnbc political analyst and hope of crooked media's what a day podcast, anisha strus, former campaign advisor and serious xm host and liz plant, the selling offer up for the love of men, the new vision for mindful masculinity and publisher of airplane month. i'm going to start with you. i'm going to start with what jennifer palmieri wrote their in politico.

do you agree that in the face of all of these republican attacks that the vice president is facing, do you agree that it is in fact hard to throw her off her game? >> 100%. one of the key trademarks of vice president harris's entire career is being the first, often time the only in a lot of high-powered situations, from district attorney to attorney general of california, to senator of california, where only three black men have held that post in its 250 year history. and now as the first black and southeast asian woman to serve as vice president. so yes she's had to deal with racism enclosed door environments as well as in public for decades so that's why it's going to be very hard to move her in this way. but i do also appreciate what was mentioned by the independent voter who you quoted and i want to say don't underestimate the power of his

stuff women because that is something that is absolutely going to be galvanizing and mobilizing a cross race in a way that we did not see in 2016, publicly in a way that we did not see in 2016 but we are seeing now, especially after win with black women started a trend of organizing online, that now asian american women, latina women and white women have followed suit, and i hear white dudes are doing it next week, too. i think that energy is something that is infectious, that we're going to see spread throughout 2024. >> let's talk about who pitches off someone, j.d. vance. i think there was this idea that his brand of machismo would galvanize trump's base. i think that's exactly what they were betting but i guess can his extreme views and attacks on women, this whole child is cat ladies and everything that he said about marriages and his obsession with the nuclear family, and can all of that backfire? i would say can that backfire

even within parts of his base? what do you think? >> it absolutely can and i think because of the vision that j.d. vance has, which is essentially a little house on the prairie in 2024, isn't one that people are actually living. in america today over 50% of marriages end in divorce. there are a lot of single parent households out there, even single-parent household didn't start as such. the overwhelming majority of women of natal age or not having children in their not having children for a variety of reasons for this are having fertility issues and we see the right pushing against in vitro. some have decided they cannot afford to have children, quite frankly, because of the high cost of rent and meanwhile them not being able to have children and afford childcare at the same time, which is something that the biden/harris administration has fought for and was pushed back against by republicans in congress. they didn't want affordable childcare. so when we think about this in the context of how american women are living, we have more women in college they then we

ever had, we had more when we graduate degrees than we ever had, more women owning small dismisses in this nation is ever seen. any larger voting bloc of women then this nation has ever seen. he has picked the wrong target and i think that to be honest we need to expound on this way beyond j.d. vance because j.d. vance is saying what republicans have been legislating against over and over. he's putting a face to their policies. he is not the originator of those policies. he's just a young person who is showcasing but the older ones who are in congress nicking these decisions and in statehouses across the country are pushing against because they don't want to see when be able to make their own decisions. they don't want to see women leave their husbands when they are beating them. i lost three very close friends to domestic violence so that's an issue for me personally. when i look out and i see the vision that j.d. vance has for america, it is quite frankly the execs envisioned the republican party at the federal level as well as the state level are currently implementing. >> i just say this is something that hillary clinton bakhtin did warn that could happen, on getting to this point and i think it's inevitable to talk about that past because i think when i think about 2016 and i think about then candidate clinton, her closing message was that trump, the man who

bragged about sexually assaulting women, that man wasn't fit to be president and it didn't work, so what has changed since then in your eyes? >> that's such a great question, paula. there's a difference between 2016 and 2024. in 2016, let's be honest, there was a palpable enthusiasm gap between men and women in the excitement of having a first female president. but you know one thing that has changed since 2016? men. as we mentioned, there are more black men that mobilized within hours, by like 53,000 black men on a zoom, raising over 1 million dollars. there are white dudes for kamala harris who are meeting on monday. i'm getting so many of these and bites and i'm getting them from all different parts of the country. and so there is a real shift with how men are feeling about this. they are feeling just as excited as women are and you know who else has changed? donald trump has changed. he's a different man than he

was in 2016. in 2016 he was just credibly accused of rape and in 2024 he is an adjudicated rapist. when they say men can change it's possible. we've seen it with donald trump and we've seen it with men across the country. >> i still would argue that this form of sexism and misogyny is still normalized and you spent i mean so much time talking about this, writing about this, talking to all of us about it, educating us. what have you learned about the best way to combat all of this misogyny? >> that's such a great passion. i think that we have to spend time republicans want us to talk about abortion. they want to call us child is cat ladies. they don't want to talk about what the reality will be four- minute if all of the project 2025 and all of these very virulent anti-choice laws get past. men's freedoms are going to be limited. men's privacy is going to be limited, too. and even with this whole di thing, i think you have two- handed to republicans, they came up with one word to be

both sexist and racist at the same time. it's very efficient of them but if you were to talk about dei it means being elected because of your gender and not because of your qualifications, they should love that because donald trump is the first dei president. he did not have the qualifications at all. he had the right gender and the right skin color and that's why he got into power. but he didn't even know what nato was. if a woman had the qualifications that he had had, she would never be in power, and so dei, republicans made it up and it's helped them a lot more than it's helped us. >> no one go anywhere. you're all sticking around with me because next we need to discuss the vice president's plan to protect access to reproductive care.

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child lives in poverty, where no one is above the law. we believe in the promise of america and we are ready to fight for it. >> vice president kamala harris launched her official campaign for president this week by promising something we all want the best freedom. that includes the freedom to have an abortion. harris is uniquely positioned to deliver this message in a way president biden couldn't. as vice president, she's been a loud objector of abortion bands and conservative efforts to curtail ivf and contraception. according to the white house, when harris visited a planned parenthood clinic in minnesota in march, she became the first vice president or president to ever visit an abortion clinic. on the campaign trail she has promised to sign legislation that would restore reproductive freedoms. a key question remains. does this message of freedom have the capacity to convince even more voters that abortion rights are on the line again this november? my amazing panel is back with me.

let's talk about abortion. wanita, let's start with you. abortion has always been a major mobilizing issue for democrats, but in what ways does the vice president's new role as presumptive nominee kind of change this whole momentum? >> i mean let me start by saying it feels good to have a candidate who will actually say the word abortion and say it in the context of donald trump, who beats his chest repeatedly about single-handedly overturning roe v wade, and in the context of the other issues you mention about access and attacks on ivf and contraception. telling this well-rounded story in an accessible way is absolutely something joe biden never did while on the campaign trail. i think also backing it up with her years of advocating for these rights as a senator and as a vice president is also critical because she knows what this fight is about. but when it comes to 2024, i want to argue one point, is that abortion access has even broader appeal beyond

democrats, looking back to 2022 and 2023 ballot initiatives in states like kentucky, kansas, montana, that appeal to voters across race, across demographic age, across partisanship, because when the question of protecting those rights in those states constitutions were presented, voters overwhelmingly said yes and i think that is going to be a massive driver when you have ballot initiatives in florida, in nevada, potentially soon in arizona, as well. all key states, key states for democrats to try to pick up and hold strong to in 2024. that's absolutely going to be something else that propels this message forward. >> i think part of that difference in that message, anisha, is the way that the campaign is sort of framing the issue of abortion, not just as a fundamental right but as this fight for freedom, there sort of reclaiming this word. they are taking this word that in a way republicans have somehow co-opted. so purely from a messaging

standpoint, what effect does that have? >> i think it is a very powerful message. freedom was what america was founded on. freedom is the epicenter of what this country is and i think that it's an oxymoron to an extent considering this nation's history of slavery, as well, but i think when we think about freedom, to your point, it has largely been snatched by the right and i think putting it in context, talking about freedoms, whether it's freedom to learn, freedom to have access to books that we see are trying to get band across the country by republicans because they don't want you to know the true history or the cultures that are represented here in the diversity of this country, up to and including freedom of women to be able to choose the path of their future, whether they want to have kids, whether they want to delay having kids, whether they want to have kids the ivf. these are things that are

really going to make a difference. but i also think that what we've seen here is a seismic shift in the sheer amount of people who understand that this applies to them because quite frankly there were a lot of people, and many of them women, who never thought that they would be in a position to actually have to have an abortion. so this wasn't their issue to step out in front of and i think that right now when you're seeing that women's reproductive rights include the right to choose up to and including disastrous cases where the woman wanted to have the child and unfortunately something happened that caused her to have to abort that child where her life would be at risk if she didn't make that decision, where she's up to her eighth month, where she is really fighting. and mind you, republicans try to make it seem like this happens for everyone. it's less than 1% of cases but these are very severe cases. we saw it with the young woman in texas who thought that there were exceptions, that she was going to be allowed to be able to actually access this care because she would not ever be able to have kids in the future. they said no, they are waiting on republicans to decide whether or not your life is at risk, irrespective of what your dr. is saying, irrespective of preservation of your uterus and your ability to bear kids in your future. i think that those kinds of instances really make this make sense to be fair, between 2011 and 2013, we saw hundreds of bills across the country be introduced. that was in the obama years, hundreds of bills were

introduced in states to restrict women's abortion rights. this is not a new fight. the thing is women did not step up to the plate to it as much as they are now because i don't think that many saw it as something they've been. we're in a different era. >> let's talk about those women that perhaps aren't really resonating yet with the vice president. i'm thinking about nbc news. they did a focus group with a nikki haley swing voter so i'm wondering, liz, what you think about the way in which abortion can potentially, just broadly speaking, potentially swing, you know, these undecided voters towards the left? >> it's such a key question and we're talking about freedom and sort of framing it around that issue, which is seen as sort of a right wing -- it's owned by the right wing but it's not just about freedom. it's also about privacy. americans value their privacy on all sides of the aisle and

here's what it comes down to with donald trump and sort of abortion and privacy. i don't think that a man who evades questions about how many abortions he's paid for should be preventing other people from getting them, right? donald trump values his right to privacy. he didn't want to answer that question from lauren dowd when he was asked so why doesn't that right apply to other americans and to all americans? there's a double standard here and i think the more we can talk about that, the importance of the right to privacy, and expand the conversation that this isn't just an antiabortion agenda, this is an anti-sex agenda. if you look at project 2025, they don't want to just restrict abortion. they want to ban pornography. i have quotes here. pornography should be outlawed. [ the people who produce it should be in prison. that's a direct quote. so for young women, young men wright, who do not want to see their sex lives regulated and want to keep their internet browser private, these are issues that aren't just sort of ideas. they have a real impact in their daily lives, so the more

that's what we talk about, that this isn't just control of women, it's control of you, too, and men are included. >> talking about this, i think republicans recognize how unpopular many of their stances are, particularly the antiabortion stance. they're aware of how unpopular it is. they barely mentioned it at the rnc. however, they cannot hide from what they said on record. so i want to play the soundbite from then ohio senate candidate events in 2022, envisioning what the future would look like when roe was overturned. listen. >> i mean i certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally. let's say roe versus wade is overruled. ohio bans abortion in 2022 -- let's say 2024, and then every day george soros sends a 747 to columbus to load up disproportionately black women

to get them to go have abortions in california and of course the left will celebrate that as a victory for diversity. >> roe was overturned exactly 6 months after this podcast aired. your reaction to this. >> you know what's nauseating , paula, is how much he was able to cram into that response. the anti-semitism, the anti- woman, the racism. all of these sentiments, and as ameisha said earlier, he is not introducing anything new. he's just getting a younger face and voice to what republicans truly believe and envision to do. like when he talked about a national ban, do not discredit that. just like trump said in 2016, he had his full intentions outlined publicly, said it to the nation repeatedly and that's what came into fruition when he was elected. roe v wade is no more. it was overturned in 2022. when they call for these national bans on accessing abortion rights, believe them and fight like hell to prevent

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tolerance policy where 3900 of them were taken from their families. and although trump signed an executive order to end that unpopular and divisive policy, the practice continued. to this day more than 1000 children still remain separated from their families. the studies have inevitably shown that separating families has long-term and damaging psychological impacts. some children aren't even able to recognize their mothers after they reuniting. and yet despite all of this damage, despite what you just heard, despite all of this heartbreak, trump has promised to move forward with the largest deportation effort in american history if he were to win the presidency again, the largest one, a move that would surely again result in the separation of families and surely result in a lot of the sounds that you just heard. also joining the conversation is rayna montoya, the ceo and founder of oriental, a nonprofit that helps mixed immigration status families work through trauma. she's also a daca recipient and one of the main organizers in

this state. i'm going to start with you because i think anytime that i need to know what's happening on the ground, you're one of my first calls and i'm wondering in this moment, as you're facing a gop that has promised that if trump wins they will enact the largest mass deportation in american history , i'm wondering the type of conversations the community is having on the ground right now. what are they discussing? what are they talking about? how are they planning for this potential scenario? >> the reality of the families and the students that we are working with is that those things are so palpable, that anxiety and fear are constantly present in our lives and we don't have to unfortunately imagine what it's going to look like with another trump administration. it is really heartbreaking to see that students who are in high school are worried about what would happen if their parents were to be deported. we are seeing anxiety and stress when students should only be focusing on doing their math or english homework. so as we are preparing for

this, we are thinking through what are some of the possibilities that students who are minors, who are under the age of 18, have to do in order to remain in their country because a majority of children, there's about 4.4 million children that are u.s. citizens of undocumented parents. >> someone like reina is organizing her community. you have republicans that are hyper focused on vice president harris and they're trying to label her as the biden administration's borders are. that's sort of this new name that they're attaching to her. you look at what j.d. vance just said a couple minutes ago at a rally tonight in minnesota. take a listen. >> now everybody knows kamala harris owns every failure of the ultraliberal policies in the last four years. as america's border czar -- and she was the border czar, the media all said it. >> first of all, that title is completely misleading. she was never directly put in

charge of the border land or immigration policy. what she was really tasked to do is address the root causes of migration. it's always important to dispel the myths. but republicans love to blame democrats on this. this is what they do, the fear mongering. what's your response to that? >> the fear mongering and the lies, paula, because that is what's going to be replayed and stated by republicans across the country for the next three months. i think the reality is that democrats have to go a step further and clarify that no, this isn't true, but also remind voters of who is to blame for blocking the latest effort to address issues at the border, one donald trump, when he called congressional republicans and demanded that they block the bipartisan deal to address the border that congressional republicans in the house and senate negotiated with the biden/harris administration and gained ridiculous concessions on in terms of investments in border patrol and other things that

advocate saw as very harmful to the entire process and engagement at the border. but republicans got those concessions and then they went behind donald trump and his demand to sink that earlier this year. that is what we need to be talking about, about why donald trump sank those investments that would've helped to even begin to address some of the issues at the border, not these lies about, harris. >> ameisha, i do think that the lies and the fear mongering have really reached a lot of people. i think about the fact that even some latino voters are warming up to this idea of mass deportation, some latino voters are really resonating with the anti-immigrant rhetoric. do you think that vice president harris has an opportunity to unite americans in that sense, to bring people of color together, to sort of cut through the noise? >> absolutely. thanks, i want to return to

something that was just said by wanita because we do have to remember how we got here. republicans led by donald trump did not want to have a policy in place that would lessen some of the trauma at the border, increase patrols, but also provide humanitarian relief for a lot of those separated families and bring them back together, because if it happened before the election then donald trump wouldn't be able to take credit for it in his hope to be in reelected. so i think that's one thing. in addition to the fact that there were several news sources at the time who did run a falsified title as, harris as the border czar, some of which you have come back and retracted the statement three years too late. but i think we also have to look at here is we have an american public that is unfortunately become largely anti-immigrant. we have an american public that is leaning in on some of these messaging points, specifically xenophobia. because what republicans have done, this isn't recent. they've been doing this for years, is a tech immigration as a means of americans losing their jobs, as a means of americans having a harder struggle. and today because you have so many people who feel as though

they are not where they need to be when we talk about the cost of living, who feel they're not getting paid the wages that they need to be able to afford that cost of living, with inflation, even though it has gone down, even though it is nowhere near what we see in europe. americans live in america so they're not repairing it to europe. you have various people who are leaning in on this, including some people who are of latino descent. i think it's problematic but i also believe, harris, has she's had these discussions, she's in the communities. she's talking to the cities where a lot of these migrants were sent to, like my hometown of chicago, several places in and around new york city, other cities in america, who obviously fell by the way of this in many of the same ways that we saw along the border. i think that there is a humanitarian thing here but there is also an honesty we have to have about american public that is leaning in on xenophobia that needed to have a bogeyman. the republicans have done a very good job of making immigrants, making undocumented immigrants that demand. america has to reset that and i

think that's a job, harris and honestly that's the job of the democratic party come and republicans are smart and they were not continuing their racist, it will be there job as well because in america we do not survive without immigrants. our culture does not survive without immigrants. our workforce does not survive without immigrants. >> reina, i think it's true that everyone now is looking at vice president harris to see what her approach will be to immigration and to the border. i ask you this because we do know that some of president biden's immigration policies, like the recent, one of the most recent executive orders that he passed, right, which severely curtails migrants legal and human rights to seek asylum, that executive order has been widely, widely criticized, and i mentioned this because in an exclusive interview with cbs you heard harris's campaign chief suggesting that she would -- by she i mean the vice president would potentially continue this border crackdown if elected. my question to you, reina, since you're there, is what to both democrats and republicans need to understand about how all of these policies impact people on the ground? >> the reality is that we are

talking about human beings and we are talking about this rhetoric. one, it doesn't address the root causes of why people are migrating. two, as mentioned, we are seen as the bogeyman and we are oftentimes being seen as the scapegoat. and three, it doesn't acknowledge that the majority of immigrants in the united states, over 70% of the immigrants are here with some legal status. so my hope for the harris administration moving forward, if she were to be elected, is to keep building the momentum on the executive orders that we are supporting, u.s. citizen, children's houses, that we are supporting dreamers and how do we actually get to the roots of the problem and get congress to do their job. >> reina montoya, mucha rossi is. i really appreciate you. ameshia, wanita, you're sticking around with me to hash out white elon musk is among our worst of the week. week.

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okay. it's time now for our worst of the week. do i even need to say anything? is anyone having a worse week than billionaire elon musk? i'll tell you what. first he denied reporting from the wall street journal that

he's donating $45 million a month to a pro-trump pac in an interview with youtube personality jordan peterson. musk said he isn't part of maga, saying, quote, i don't subscribe to a cult of personality . then he used the platform to accuse the, quote, woke my virus of, quote, killing his estranged transgender daughter, viviana wilson. throughout the interview he repeatedly did named and misgender his daughter. in a rare interview with nbc news wilson said, quote, i think he was under the assumption that i wasn't going to say anything and i would just let this go unchallenged, which i'm not going to do. wilson said that when she was a child, musk would harass her for exhibiting feminine traits and pressure her to appear more masculine. musk did not respond to request for comment. now if that wasn't enough, musk also made a splash where he attended israeli prime minister benjamin's and yahoo's speech to congress as his personal guest, after democratic lawmakers like alexandria ocasio-cortez declined to attend the speech, musk accused the whole party of being,

quote, openly and boldly anti- semitic. those are really strong words from the guy who has platform and boosted nazi and white supremacist accounts on x. wanita, let's talk about congresswoman alexandria ocasio- cortez in a tweet that she wrote. she responded to musk by saying, quote, sometimes being quiet is free and good for you and then attached to that tweet was a headline from the time that musk himself retweeted an anti-semitic post. what do you have to say? >> i mean he is unhinged, as you said in the intro, and i feel like the other thing that wasn't mentioned in your rundown was that his business lost a lot of money this week. plummeting numbers due to lower -- so i think it's always a great week when elon musk loses money because that means he has less money available to cause harm, and even though he denied giving the $45 million to trump's campaign, he's still

starting a super pac. so my caution to everyone, watch his actions, not his words, because he's starting a super pac. he leverages his platform that he purchased as a vanity project to perpetuate the same things that he abuses and accuses other people love doing, and then he causes the just dramatic, harmful behavior to his own children, and i'm grateful to vivian for speaking up and out against this harmful behavior that she has endured for years. >> ameshia, let's talk about vivian 's vivian is now a college student. she's never given an interview before but she did tell nbc news that she felt compelled to speak because, quote, if you're going to lie about me, like blatantly, to an audience of millions, i'm not just going to let that slide. what's your take on this? go her, no? how brave! >> absolutely. as a cautious reader of his commentary, he analyzed his

daughter. anybody who was reading that wouldn't have been able to walk away with the fact that his daughter was still with us here on this earth. he made it seem like this woman was no longer here. so to have her step out and say, no, i left him. i have nothing to do with this man anymore and her reasons were outlined, i think very poignantly, in outlining the abuse, talking about how she was forced to adapt certain traits or else he was going to disown her. she made a conscious choice and she uplifted what he does on a regular basis on his current platform, attacking people who are trans. he's attacking them in sports. he's attacked them on their own personal platforms. he has created images. he has amplified other people's anti-trans narratives. i think that it's very dangerous also it's a very brave -- his commentary is very dangerous. it's very brave of this young woman to come out, not only putting her father on blast, but also being very honest about the sheer amount of trauma that she endured under him, which thousands of kids across this country will if

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okay. we're back with a bonus round of worst of the week. you're welcome. that this undergoes to republican ohio state senator george lange, who said this at a rally in his state with trump's running mate j.d. vance. >> i believe wholeheartedly donald trump and butler county's j.d. vance are the last chance to save our country politically. i'm afraid if we lose this one, it's going to take a civil war to save the country. and it will be saved >> civil war. lange apparently didn't get the memo from republicans, who told everyone, especially democrats, to lower the temperature after the attempted assassination of donald trump and after his

speech went viral he expressed, quote, regret for his, quote, divisive remarks made in the excitement of the moment. my panel is back with me now. ameshia, i'm going to start with you. he says that he got caught up in the moment. i don't know about but when that happens to me, i don't necessarily threaten civil war. what about you? >> when republicans get caught up in the moment we get january 6. i feel like at this point there's so much that we can expect them to do when it comes to exactly what they say, because the republican party does not want to accept a diverse america, does not want to accept progress and civil rights, does not want to accept progress on equity, does not want to accept women in leadership or women who are graduated from college at higher rates, does not want to accept the change that america now represents and are willing to fight, kill and maim to go back to a time where white men were the only ones who presented any type of power. and i think that that legacy is a very scary place to be but take them at their word.

from has actually empowered them, not only to issue force, but to also make these types of statements. it's immersing. it's frustrating. with anti-american. it's antidemocratic but it is prorepublican. this is who that party is and this is who they represent. as a native of illinois, a native of chicago and a supporter of the great lakes region, that guy being from ohio was really, really embarrassing, but we also have to recognize that this is what the party is. this is who they've become and these are the type of speakers that they want. they're just mad now that he's getting pushed back because this is the same party who called to calm the noise, for unity, just a week ago. that unity lasted all about five seconds. >> i know we joke a lot in this segment but you are completely right. words matter, words are important. words is in it with people and when he to, right now as we are all speaking here, donald trump is actually speaking right now at a rally in minnesota. there he is right now where he's actually talking about his rhetoric and who knows exactly what he's saying. we'll find out soon but we do know what he said just this

week. he fearmonger this week. he said, quote, that the country would be destroyed if kamala harris wins the presidency. he also told israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu that there will be start quote third world war if he loses. again, let's repeat it, why do these words matter so much? >> january 6 was a dry run. i want to say january 6 was a dry run. donald trump does it, because the other thing he said this week was okay, christian republicans, vote for me and this is the last election you will have, similar to what the state senator down in georgia said and he said there will be civil war. they say it with their full chest. they say it at microphones. they say it on camera. they say it in front of a crowd, as this is the intended outcome, win or lose. and so i think i want to go back to the top of the show when we talked about freedom. that's explicitly what's on the ballot, pal, so i don't want

people to try to dismiss this or contort themselves, or allow themselves to be fooled by these statements after the fact. because no, you said it with your full chest, you stand 10 toes on it and you explicitly intend to do that so yes, voters should pay attention to turnout in the lead up to november. yes, voters should also pay attention in the lead up to january 2025, to ensure that the next administration, which hopefully is not donald trump's, is inaugurated peacefully. >> ameshia, vice president harris did call for donald trump and j.d. vance to denounce lange's, quote, calls for violence and to apologize for platforming this kind of violence. they have not. they haven't done this. how can the republican party message on lowering the temperature when the republican presidential candidate himself, and his running mate, as we talked extensively on this show, they keep stoking the tensions. they keep fear mongering. they keep using those words. >> well they can't, quite frankly.

they are a rock and a hard place right now because you built a party that was designed to not only push anti-dei racism here, there and everywhere. they also want to push hate and want to put extreme is in and want to push abuses of power in addition to want to push violence. they are not new to this. they are true to it and i think that speaker johnson, he's had his little powwow with other house members. we'll see how they go in the next few weeks that they are seeing and what we are seeing as a nation is a republican party that is vigilant to continue down the path they have been going. i think we are well past a sitdown conversation to kind of make them behave. i think that we are where we are. we have to accept it and know what to do, to juanita's points, come november. because the people are not

going back in. they are showcasing who they are and they think they are going to get more vigilant, they're going to get more amped. that's what we're going to see is this campaign cycle continues. >> they are telling us what they would. wanted to toliver and ameisha cross, thank you so much. i really appreciate it and thank you adam for making time for us. quick programming note for tomorrow. we are 100 days out from election day. ali velshi, jen psaki, ari melber and more breakdown what's next in this historic election. what told a sunday beginning at 8:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. until we meet again, i'm paola ramos in for eamon motivating . have a great night. night. eck! and when my doctor saw damage, rinvoq helped visibly reduce damage of the intestinal lining. check! for both uc and crohn's: rapid symptom relief lasting steroid-free remission. and visibly reduced damage. check. check. and check! rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers, including lymphoma and skin, heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor

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