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good morning, to sunday, july 28. 100 days until election day. it is a new race in the landscape but ultimately the same decision. for or against democracy. a week into our candidacy, vice president kamala harris developed a formidable and enthusiastic campaign for us. both supercharging and compressing a process that normally takes months into mere days. harris is deciding on a ready- made, reportedly considering eight candidates with a select top contenders. several of whom are campaigning for this weekend. she is expected to announce her choice by august 7. right now harris has more than enough pledged delegates to win the

nomination and she is expected to be declared the official democratic nominee this wednesday via virtual vote ahead of the democratic national convention which begins august 19th in chicago. yesterday harris had a big fundraiser in massachusetts with included an introduction by none other than james taylor and also delivered virtual remarks to the voters of tomorrow summit in atlanta. >> to move our nation forward, donald trump intends to take our country backward. just look at his project 2025 agenda. what kind of country do we want to live in? do we want to live in a country of freedom, compassion, and rule of law, or a country of chaos, fear and hate? and the beauty of our democracy is that each one of us has the

power to answer that question. >> you heard harris mentioned project 2025, which is the right wings 925 page manifesto to overhaul the american government should trump retake the white house. it is something we have covered extensively on velshi, and every single show since it was released and coming up in the next hour, we're going to go inside project 2025 for the entire hour. we are reading the whole thing, see you don't have to. we will break down the details of some of the most important chapters with some of the smartest experts in each field. as for former president trump appeared at a bitcoin conference in nashville yesterday before later taking the stage alongside his running mate, j.d. vance at a rally in minnesota. >> the people in this room, high iq individuals.

i am running against a low iq individual, her. our cities are going to hell right now. our cities are going to hell. if we don't win this race, this country could be finished as we know it, this country's going to be in bad shape and we have to fight and we have to win. >> if we don't win this race this country could be finished as we know it. and should he win, trump on friday told attendees of the right-wing religious summit, whom he now dressed as my beautiful christians, which was super weird, that quote, and in four years you don't have to vote again, we will have it fixed so glad you are not going to have to vote, and go -- end quote. donald trump authoritarian desires are well-known and hearing him say he will and voting is the latest in a long string of examples which includes the time he called the termination of the u.s. constitution during a true social rant in december of 2022 because doing so would help his personal legal causes. although as it turned out the supreme court sort of did that for him in his unhinged presidential immunity decision.

should trump win and retake the white house, we know what to expect. after all, we do have this 922 page playbook. but what if you lose is? ahead of the election, donald trump and his cohort were laying the groundwork for what eventually, for that eventuality saying the only way trump could lose is if the election was rigged and there was fraud. they fed the idea to the fan base for months ahead of voting in january 6th happened. now trump and his team are once again proclaiming that he can only lose via fraud and letting people know what will happen if in fact he loses. >> we are in a fight for our kids and our grandkids, a fight we can ever imagine. i believe wholeheartedly donald trump and butler county's j.d. vance are the last chance to

save our country politically. i am afraid if we lose this one, it is going to take a civil war to save the country and it will be saved. >> a lot of civil war talk and we will get to that over the course of the hour. trumbetti sycophants have been pushing the possibility of political violence or worse, for a while and talk of potential civil war, it is not isolated, not even close. as trump told right-wing media last year, there's a level of passion i've never seen them a level of hatred i've never seen. that is probably a bad combination, end quote. joining me now, nbc news presidential historian michaelé, the author of multiple books including presidents of war, the epic story for making it to modern times and former senior adviser and spokesperson for vice president kamala harris, the author of no, you shut up. speaking truth to power and reclaiming america. and of course you know she's one of the cohosts of the fabulous the weekend, which airs before velshi on msnbc. thank you for being with us.

i go, i want to start with you because you tweeted after donald trump gave that message, about you are not going to have to vote anymore, you said, be forewarned, he is saying it. it is not even the first time he has said something like this but he just says and because he combines it with weird stuff where he addresses everyone as a beautiful christians in this, you lose the intensity of the message you are saying, you don't have to vote if you elect him. that is out there. >> doesn't have to be anymore clear, everyone? our friends watching this morning, he has set it. he has told, i don't know why he's telling us because i don't think it is particularly a vote- getter, but he saying he wants to be dictator for a day, in and four years people will not have to vote and all i'm saying this morning, is remember one thing, every single one of these 100 days to come, presidents go to the white house to work for us americans and we do not work for them. let's remember that, every

single day. >> symone, we spend time thinking about these things and talking to viewers about it and we should. the danger of losing your democracy. it does seem interesting to me in the last several days, kamala harris is leaning into a different message. she is leaning into a future positive message, versus donald trump's dystopian, dark past thing he keeps reveling in. >> yeah, and if -- as i've been looking at the election over the last year and a half early, you look at the engagements vice president harris has been doing on the trail whether it is the tours, she had fight for our freedoms to her, she had an opportunity to her, these are forward-looking things that connects to the fight for democracy, that president biden had laid out in a very stark choice before the american people this november. but it is a little bit different. it is the hopeful, if you will, conversation about the very

real threat that faces the american people. and i think folks are responding to that. this is in 100 days kamala harris campaign, they have a lot of work to do but it takes 90 days to make or break a habit, tag on a few more days and there you -- there you go until election days. it is the reintroduction of herself, if you will, because of the nature of the vice presidency, people don't know what the vice president does every day and defining herself before her republican opponents can define her, and i would argue that donald trump and republicans at large have been called flat-footed as we call to racism and sexism. and the second piece is building her own volition, expanding the biden coalition to exit the harris coalition will be because this race is going to be close and any message that moves people to feel hopeful, is going to be helpful in getting them to the polls. >> michael, later going to talk

to eric larson, who has written a tremendous book about the days leading up to the civil war and parallels. the book is not about the parallels but the parallels are remarkable to today. the civil war talk is not isolated. i want to give a couple of examples. steve bannon on his podcast last month said quote, we are at war. are you prepared to leave it all on the battlefield, to simple, victory or death. kevin roberts, the president of the heritage foundation, the architect of project 2025, symone and her team interviewed him. he said we are in the process of a second american revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be. like mike johnson said in april that he viewed himself as a quote, wartime speaker and said, i mean that in the literal sense. tell me about this. is a bluster or in impolitic that we talk about work? it strikes me like we're talking about civil war more than normal. >> we are, and let me take you back to 1856.

there was a group, as you both know called the know nothings. they hated immigrants, they hated black people, they hated jewish people, they hated catholics and they were saying, let's make this a white protestant country and get rid of or suppress everyone else and they even nominated a former president as their standardbearer, millard fillmore. that movement grew. and what was going on with this. it is the same thing as in 2024 and in many respects. in 2024, i have no doubt that a majority of americans wants to move forward, not backward, wants to expand rights, want to have a role of law. once you have what jimmy carter called a beautiful mosaic. i would say, 60% of americans plus believe those things and hate dictatorship. so what you've got is an angry minority, trying to go outside the constitution, and saying let's not achieve our aims through democracy, let's do it through domestic terrorism. and that is what it is.

they say civil war but what it really is is domestic terrorism. that is how a minority tries to seize power, that is completely un-american, defies everything our founders wanted. >> symone, you mentioned that coalition, it's been something to watch over the last week, the various groups that have aligned themselves with enthusiasm behind kamala harris. some on the right, ben shapiro called that manufactured but it would be hard to manufacture it from all the different quarters we are seeing it. however she's got work to do. there are groups that need convincing. charles coleman recently sat down with a group of black men in new york city to discuss the election and kamala harris being top of the ticket. they are -- here's what they had to say with respect to donald trump. by show of hands, how many of you know a black man who has expressed to you that they are

committed to voting for donald trump okay, and for the brothers who have told you that, or said that to you, has the emergence of kamala harris change that those voters? >> i would say most of the men i know on the trump train, they just want something different. from the status quo. and they feel as though that trump can bring that. and the one thing i would say is, just look at his history, look at his track record and see how different that is going to be. and it doesn't look good for black men. don't do it, those are my words. don't do it. >> that is the message. >> don't do it. >> your thoughts on that. >> it is such an excellent group and i'm glad charles did those. also, i do not think donald trump is going to get 30% of the black vote after american voters in this election. however, i too know black men in my family and my life in community, not my husband -- is not my husband but i know black

man who have been supportive of donald trump, who voted for him in the past and this is a real phenomenon and i think when voters say that what they like about donald trump is that he's presenting something different, i think we should listen to the voters. we also, why it is important that voters hear all of what donald trump is saying and the best thing that ever happened to donald trump is that he was deplatform did my opinion because the crazy, insightful things he would say, all the time are not front and center. is not on twitter anymore, he's on his own platform, true social which has a fraction of the following and twitter had. or that is now x. when donald trump post these long rants on social media platform, people are not seeing them, they are not hearing them the same way. therefore they have become in my opinion desensitized to what donald trump is talking about and offering. so talking about the facts about what donald trump is saying, what he's offering,

what his vision of the future is as important. because his vision is retribution, it is dystopian and not hopeful and does not include all of america. in juxtaposition, something the harris campaign, we will see them lean into. >> you two are wonderful, thank you for being here to kick off the show this money. michael, presidential historian and -- chief spokesperson for vice president kamala harris. and of course she's cohost of the weekend, which airs every saturday and sunday morning from 8:00 to 10:00 right before velshi on msnbc. president biden has made worker rights a cornerstone of his presidency and support from labor unions will be critical to kamala harris' presidential bid. she's got backing from several big unions but there are still some who have not made the endorsement yet. sara nelson joins me next, starting at 11:00 a.m. eastern we're devoting the entire hour to project 2025, that is the right playbook for

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one of the best ways to keep our nation moving forward, is to give workers a voice. to protect the freedom to organize, to defend the freedom to collectively bargain, to end union busting. because one workers join together and demand what is fair, everyone is better off.

>> vice president kamala harris on thursday committing support to the labor movement as she delivered the keynote address at the american federation of teachers convention. days earlier, ft, the largest teachers union in the country endorsed harris or president. the teachers federation is just one of several labor unions that have support behind the vice president so far, and altogether the unions that have already endorsed harris represent millions and millions of workers and all backed joe biden in in 2020, who throughout his term in office touted himself as quote, the most prounion president in history. president biden made history last year when he became the first sitting president to walk a picket line, joining striking autoworkers in michigan as they demanded higher wages and cost- of-living increases. and under the biden administration the national labor relations board, an independent federal agency tasked with protecting worker rights has been emboldened to issue complaints against big companies after biden appointed labor backed advocates to the agency board. joe biden has made labor rights

a cornerstone of his presidency and would not have gone to the white house in 2020 without labor union vertical support. that same union support will be just as, if not more important for kamala harris, this year. while many labor unions have coalesced around the harris campaign so far, there are edible holdouts, the united auto workers union, the same union's picket line biden watts last year has held off on endorsing harris, taking time to make sure that she is aligned with the union on key issues. the international brotherhood of teens 30s -- teamsters has yet to endorse anyone, but the president sean o'brien crossed partisan lines 2 weeks ago and became the first teamster leader to address the republican national convention. watch. >> the teamsters are here to say, we are not beholden to anyone or any party. we will create an agenda and work with a bipartisan coalition , ready to accomplish something

real for the american worker. and i don't care about getting criticized. >> the appearance came before president biden dropped out of the race and in spite of the fact the teamsters have historically endorsed democrats in presidential election including biden in 2020, we're hundred days from the election, what assurances do union leaders and workers and the labor movement at large need to hear from kamala harris in her presidential platform? for them to fully get behind her. for more on this i'm joined by sara nelson, president of the association of flight attendants -- a lot of initials. good to see you, thank you for being with us. your particular union has not officially endorsed anyone yet. walk me through how this process works for unions and what you expect to happen in coming days. >> first of all i would like to

remind people that unions are nonpartisan organizations. it is the last place in america people come together, we don't even choose who comes into our organization. the boss chooses is going to be in the workplace and we organize around that. so we have to have a conversation with members about what is in our best interest and why we would support a particular candidate, and that process has to take place in order for this to be meaningful. and so we are going to do that. i will say right off the bat, kamala harris is out there full throated supporting union rights, serve boarding the right to unionize, these are key issues that have to be in place. our right to strike in order to take on issues that flight attendants care about, increasing wages, increasing actually getting paid for the time that we are at work. making sure we have good health care and retirement, all those issues are issues that matter to the working class and she's

been full throated about that. but what she is also done is shown the spirit of solidarity in this campaign for the last week. she has shown that her power comes from other people, it comes from all of these people who want to have a better life. and so she's got to show that also in her commitment to who she's going to put on her team. >> talk to me about that because a lot of people are talking about mark kelly at the top of the list of eight plus potential running mates. there was issue with union workers who said he was not supportive of the pro-act, but now he is. ever since kamala harris was at the top of the ticket, he's change. is that good or bad for someone like him? >> low, it is good. maybe she should put mark warner on the list so we get his vote also. but listen, i respect senator kelly. we have worked with him. we have endorsed him in the past and that is about getting to a senate majority because the fact of the matter is, we

do endorse republicans to stand with us. not election deniers and they have to be clearly on arles -- on all our issues. but we support a senate majority with democrats in the house majority with democrats bear as long as the republican trap form -- platform is about destroying unions, get rid of public sector unions to make sure that all of us have education and have the resources for firefighters, who help us. this is x essential to us, to make sure we actually have people in charge who have a platform of support for working people and services we count on in in our communities. so we are continuing to press on that. mark kelly is a nonstarter frankly, on the vp. we have a great example, in a governor walz who has a whole resume of working on workers rights and being clear about it. we don't have to bring in the haves and have-nots about when

we are trying to decide should kids be able to eat at school. these are the kinds of full throated endorsements of working people, our families that we need to see, in order to give the best argument to our members, that kamala harris is putting together a ticket that is going to be for working people and not just the alternative to frankly the x essential threat of donald trump. but we're going to move forward together. we are going to action this unity we are seeing and the leadership from areas of the country we haven't seen before and we're going to put that into process to deliver on the things we care about. living wage, health care, retirement and getting our time back. >> we are going to talk about this. me know when you guys are ready to endorse somebody and we will have the conversation about what is in their platform, that is going to cause you to go to your workers and say, nonpartisan though it is, these are candidates we think make the most sense.

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is democrats really run kamala harris as a likely presidential nominee, the vice president needs to gain more ground with one crucial constituency, latino voters. though they were once considered a reliably blue constituency, in recent years democratic enthusiasm among one of the fastest growing electorates has languished. despite the fact nbc news exit polling showed biden took home 65% of the latino vote in 2020, compared to donald trump 32%, and a vast number of latino voters hold and overwhelmingly unfavorable view of donald trump.

pulling through this year shown president biden support among latinos to be slipping. now that biden is out and terraces at the top of the ticket pulling suggests the situation might actually be turning around. a brand-new "new york times" siena college survey taken after biden's announcement to step aside, shows harris beating trump in a head-to-head matchup by 19 points among registered latino voters nationwide, 57% to 38%. reality check on the evolving situation i'm joined by my friend maria, president and founder of future media and executive -- latino usai. great to see you, thank you for being with us. just give me a writ large, what is the situation, wiser republicans consistently are for some years been gaining larger proportions of the latino voting population >> oh my god, ali, that would take hours. how do i reduce it into a minute? essentially, you know, the

latino vote is like any part of the american population. they are certainly not predictable, and what you did see was that it is hard to explain but that 38% of latino voters going for trump, at a time when trump spent so much time criticizing latinos, saying we need to build a wall, saying horrible untrue things about immigrants from mexico, like me. but i did see over the last year that they were tending toward a trump. that is why this moment right now, with kamala harris is fascinating. because there's absolutely an opening. >> is an opening and i don't want to base it on one pole, what does that show either a potential gain or an opportunity in what you see quite >> absolutely, the reason i got in touch with you was when i was tracking -- checking instagram and i thought left organization in l.a. running -- was endorsing kamala

harris. and i started to look. you have a progressive latino organization, now falling into line with maine's dream latino organizations -- mainstream latino organizations, preparing to back someone like kamala harris because of immigrant roots. you have progressive organizations [ speaking in a global language ] will not forgive or forget the fact kamala harris and refugees, don't come. she has to work for this but do i see an opening? absolutely. >> six house democrats, i had to read it a couple of times to make sense of it, voted with republicans. most democrats in places where they might have tight races. they voted on the resolution to condemn the biden administration and specifically ep harris for the handling of the border. these lawmakers represent districts that donald trump won

in 2020. tell me what you make of this. is there anything to read into this or is it what it seems, that these are people in highly competitive districts. >> yes, and the fact is kamala harris has done things regarding the border and immigration, that for many latinos, she has to answer for. she should apologize for saying to refugees when she said, don't come. she should apologize for saying that. on the other hand, what you have for latino voters is a binary decision, is it kamala harris, where there is a potential for her to be pressured by organizations and latino and latino voters, or donald trump, where the republican national convention you had signs saying mass deportation. that is why i keep saying you have an opening like everybody else. their learning more about kamala harris. you have a moment of energy in in the u.s. electorates, but you have this binary. donald trump, build the wall, mess deportations. i think she can peel away -- i

mean percentage points, but what you really want is another five percentage points, seven percentage points to peel away the latino voters and that changes everything in terms of potentially winning the presidency. >> we are in a conversation about who the vice presidential candidate is going to be. does that have an impact on this particular conversation about peeling away a few more percentage points of latino and latina voters? >> the little reporting i started to do and i asked the question and they are like, the press -- the vice president is not going to move us. what will move us is what does hearsay. with pennsylvania and arizona in play, that is really interesting in terms of mark kelly or josh appear, senator from arizona or governor from pennsylvania. both of those states have powerful latino electorates. in pennsylvania, they are the swing within the swing and if you can get the latino voters in pennsylvania, in an arizona.

remember, the latino electorate is the second largest voting cohort in the united states. the second largest. so that is why attention, and i've heard from my sources, she's going to have to work for it, she's going to have to spend the money and to the engagement but latino and latina voters, usually respond to that. >> the swing within the swing, that is a good conversation to have next. thank you for joining us, maria hinojosa is president and founder of --. and she's also author of once i was you, a memoir of love and hate and a torn america. coming up, we devote our entire next hour to taking you inside project 2025, the 922 page right-wing playbook for essential -- a potential second trump term. first i will be joined by the award-winning author eric larson, his latest book the demon of unrest, a saga of hubris, heartbreak and heroism

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the whole community benefits. we have look, the data is clear, let's get back for a moment. the data is clear. lachman have not benefited proportionate to other populations in terms of economic opportunity and economic health, much less wealth creation. so we have to be honest about that. and this is not the exclusion of anyone else. we are doing work across many demographics but let's recognize the facts. >> i've been all across the country talking to black men about the issues that matter most to them. one thing emerged, if either of the candidates want their votes, they meet them where they are, be honest and recognize the truth, that these black men and their families experience the economy different than their counterparts. >> to mainly reporting. up next, author eric larson joins me onset. his latest best selling book, the demon of unrest digs into how america sleep walked into the civil war by assuming

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watching the insurrection on january 6th, award-winning author eric larson was already deep in research examining the roots of the civil war and this country's most fragile moment. he realized we had been here before. is confederate flags once again came charging toward the capital to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, larson writes, i had the eerie feeling past and present had merged. it is unsettling that in 1861, two of the greatest moments of national dread centered on the certification of the electoral college vote in the presidential inauguration, end quote. his latest best seller the demon of unrest, a saga of hubris, heartbreak and heroism at the dawn of the civil war explores the events and americans whose actions and errors in the pursuit of protecting slavery, led to a

secessionist movement. in a civil war that would ultimately be responsible for the death of as many as 750,000 americans. walls ideas of chivalry, vanity broadcast system, disdain for the language of the founders and a fear of any potential for career day shrill equity, affected enough americans, creating grievance politics that spread like wildfire. in the past two years, civil war and secessionist language re-entered the mainstream lexicon. but are the words more dangerous than we give them credit for? through diaries, plantation records, legends and secret communication, eric larson exposes how the country and its leaders essentially sleep walked into a civil war by assuming the rhetoric was overblown. eric larson joins me now, as mentioned, he's a "new york times" best-selling author of the demon of unrest, the saga of hubris, her break and heroism at the dawn of the

civil war. it is an honor to have you here. and we don't do a ton of books outside our banned book albert but you mentioned to me -- book club but you mentioned to me --. >> the name devil is in the title. >> these days it doesn't take much. this book was not written with our current and -- current moment in mind. i know that it takes years to research. >> i was working on this well before the events of january 6th, 2021. but maybe this is more contemporary than i expected. >> it is worth reading regardless. but i want to talk about the eerie similarities, starting with what we're doing right now on the news. there was the equivalent of news bubbles and echo chambers in those days and in fact they were quite clear because new page verse -- newspapers were owned by people with the local interests. >> newspapers, it is one of the periods where i relied very little on newspapers for research. as they were almost invariably biased in one direction or

another and they are open about bias. that was a different phenomenon. but what was happening, and in the south, in particular, there was, we talk about echo chambers, there was a belief that lincoln, who was elected in 1860, that lincoln was an abolitionist at heart and all he wanted to do was end slavery. which absolutely he did not in that period. but southerners had worked themselves into this belief that in fact he wanted to immediately abolish slavery. which would be in existential threat to their well-being. >> one of the things happen today, which does bear similarity is the idea that in in the south, they had a grievance with the north, which they turned into, not a defense of slavery but actually a

promotion of it and a promotion of their own, what they call chivalry. >> it is a huge part of the story and that is that it started in the early 1800s. even before that, planters consider slavery to be in a necessary evil. but what happened at the start of the 1800s, the developed more advanced cultures, if you will, had begun to wholly reject slavery. britain in particular, france, spain and so forth. so you had this happening, on one side and the north embraced that belief that slavery was a bad thing. in the south, a very interesting thing happened because southern sense of honor , and so forth, they didn't like the idea that they were portrayed as evil people because they owned enslaved blacks. so there arose this eat those, this proslavery movements. wherein southerners persuaded themselves, that slavery was not just an okay thing, it was a good thing. it was the best thing to enslaved blacks because you had all your needs cared for, you

were completely immune from economic ups and downs. nevermind that one guy my book had a manual that detailed how you whip enslaved blacks. but the argument was that they were protected and also further, that they were built for this kind of work. and i say they, the proslavery evangelists, they used everything they could to make the case. religion, medicine, anthropology, myth, to make it seem that enslaved blacks were living the best possible life. >> one of the other parallels to today, and lincoln was one of these people who did not wish for a civil war, did not want it to happen. wanted to do the bare minimum to keep everybody from tearing the country apart. the concept of, where do you appease, where do you fight exists in the same way it did in those days. >> talk a little bit about the

civil war thing. no one, maybe a couple people, had the imagination, but no one in this antebellum period imagined anything like the civil war that would eventually arose. >> everybody thought something small was going to happen and it would end. >> the commonly quoted term of the time was if there were a violent conflict there would be enough blood to fill a lady's thimble. so there is this failure to understand, that the forces that were coalescing, were really potentially dangerous. one of the things i was struck by was the slow, not even that slow, the slow rise toward, as tensions built, that kind of thing, that really struck me. suddenly you have john brown's raid, at harpers ferry. i had no idea until i started to do research on the subject how that transformed the south.

just galvanized, the fear that arose. one thing led to another and suddenly you have, as one of my characters senator james henry hammond says, finally, all the senators were carrying revolvers. everybody was carrying a revolver and those who weren't were carrying two. that was his line. and then there's also this wonderful fight in congress, where congressmen are coming out of their desks and beating their job -- beating each other out. and one guy grabs the back of another and punches him in the face. -- is to pay falls off, a historical moment and everybody combed and that was a mark of this intense -- intensification of not so much violence but the potential for violence. >> and that we have once in our history not taken that

seriously and not to do it again. >> one of my key takeaways from this book and also other works, is when people start talking crazy, take them seriously. >> excellent book, thank you for being with us. erik larson, best-selling author of multiple books including the latest, demon of unrest, saga of hubris, heartbreak and heroism at the dawn of the civil war. straight ahead we go inside this, project 2025. we have read all 922 pages of the rights manifesto to drastically alter the american government. we are devoting a full hour to breaking down the more insidious sections of the document. we discussed the dangers of it all with experts in those specific fields. velshi inside project 2025 begins after a break. break. gamechanga! ...while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke.

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the next full hour, we will give you a taste of what america will look like if donald trump enters the presidency. he signed an executive order during his first week as president that banned people from eight predominantly muslim countries from traveling into the united states. it was hastily planned, poorly executed, and caused chaos around the world. four years later, his presidency culminated with a violent insurrection of