he did not send in innocent man to prison but other wise achieve justice. >> i was happy for the family and the victim. >> you take the stuff to heart, don't you ? >> i do, i do. >> and while they stand on opposite sides of that chasm between innocence and guilt there is no dispute about the man whose life was lost. ken dolezsar was a man who loved a woman just as chris love bianca who loved hockey, loved helping kids and tried to do right by all that money. which is mostly still around, although he is not. >> that is all for this edition of nate -- dateline, i'm craig melvin, thank you for watching. into a brand-new

kamala harris rides an incredible wave of momentum as donald trump reminds us once again what's at stake in november. buttigieg is often commented on as a running mate for harris and he's coming up. plus, the senator has known the vice president for decades dating back to her days as the san francisco d.a. senator butler is going to join us live in a few minutes. later, jd vance's comments about cat ladies is weird and talk about the cleanup only made things weirder. well, it's officially 100 daysia until the election. that means it's 100 days to make sure your polling place hasn't changed, 100 days to figure out if you're going to vote by mail or in person, and, of course,

there's a lot that can happen between now and then. we already know the stalks in this election, and donald trump just reminded us in 100 days it's not a normal day of election. it's an election where we decide if we want to hold elections again. >> again, christians get out and vote just this time. you won't have to do it anymore. four more years. you know what? it will be fixed?be it will be fine. yoube won't have to vote anymor my beautiful christians. i love you christians. in four more years you won't have to vote. >> in four more years you won't have to vote again. those are his words, not my words. it's donald trump's words. that's frightening. it should be. the harris campaign announced this morning since last sunday they've raised $200

million and recruited hundreds of thousands of volunteers. one of the biggest endorsements came from arguably the biggest names in the party. >> i can't have this phone call without saying to my girl camela i'm proud of you.i' this is going to be historic. >> we called to say michelle and i couldn't be prouder to endorse you and to do everything we can to get you through this election and into the oval office. >> the video was striking for me to watch because 16 years ago i had a formal seat on the obama campaign. 16 years ago the question whether the country was ready was also raised, but then as we all know, barack obama rode his own wave of optimism and momentum all the way into the white house. now, they're different kaejtss.e i'm not trying to make a direct comparison, and we're only so far into this 2024 campaign. but what it reminded me of, once

upon a time, obama was the right candidate at the right moment. he was able to capture the country when they were focused on the future and desperate for change. back then it was hope and change and yes we can. this time, different moment, kamala harris is putting her own spin on that message, in a way that's unique to this moment.to she did it in her first rally as the presouthtive nominee, we're not going back. >> donald trump wants to take our country backward. he and his extreme project 2025 agenda will weaken the middle class like we know we've got to take this serious. can you believe they put that thing in writing? america has tried these failed economic policies before, but we are not going back.

we are not going back. not going back. we're not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. [ chanting: "we're not going back" ] >> i'll tell you why we're not going back. ours is the future. >> shes wants to protect abortn rights that the man took the rights away and protection against the criminal. it's a bigger question of whether the country wants to go back, not back to the chaos of the trump years we all remember so well, we all still talk about, but to even darker times in american d history. luckily, as kamala harris pointed out, they put it in

writing. it's posted online. i can't believe they did it either. here's a little taste of how far back the plan wants to take the country. they wantth to use the comstock act to ban most abortions nationwide. that would take us back to 1973. they want to eliminate the birthright citizenship. and project 2025 wants to dismantle those. so, yeah, kamala harris in so many ways might be the right candidate at the right time, the right candidate for this century, by the way.is she might be the right candidate to tell the country actually we don't have to go back, to tell the country that wasn't so great, and we can go forward instead. i'm not going to sit here and tell you this is going to be

easy. it is not. donald trump and his weirdo running mate and their modus operandi group,od they're goingo be sexist, racist, misogynist, and all of those things. kamala harris says she's the underdog and that's how we need to treat it. early in this campaign, donald trump is kind of flailing while vice president harris seems very eager tori make her case. >> i'm ready to debate donald trump. i have agreed to the previously agreed upon september 10th debate. he agreed to that previously. now it appears he's backpedaling. i'm ready. i think the voters deserve to see the split screen that exists that is this debate. i'm ready. let's go. >> let's go. l she's ready. or do we want to go back? this election is going to be about a lot of things. joining me now is pete buttigieg, he is appearing in

his personal capacity, not as an official role of secretary of transportation. i'm awkwardly not going to call you mr. secretary. chris was on after you this morning. he said itft was classic trumpi. i think it's pretty important to call out. what did you think when you heard it? >> candidly i don't understand what he means. i don't want to have to worry about what he means. it's yet another reason why we've got to make sure he doesn't get elected. i remember a few years ago there were some commentators who were proud saying the problem is we didn't take donald trump seriously instead of taking him literally. when he says something like that or wanting a political opponent

like liz cheney, a congresswoman who criticized him, to be tried in a televised military tribunal, i don't know whether to take that literally or seriously. either way, it's bad news. >> either way if he says i want to eliminate the system so nobody has to vote again -- i do want to know because you've run for president yourself. you know kamala harris and joe biden. you've been around the system.yo what kind of qualities do you think would best complement her? >> the bottom line is it's her call and she knows what she's doing. what's great about this moment is rethere's an extraordinary bench of leaders in the democratic partd, all of whom are doing everything we can to support the top of the ticket in kamala harris. who knows what the exact flying formation is going to be like. however that shakes out, i think you're going to see a lot of people pulling in the same

direction in ali party that's n always known for being extremely quick to get into alignment, to fall in line as they say. but part of what's been remarkable about the last week and i still can't believe it's only been a week is how quickly she coalesced our famously big ten party across all of its different corners to come together and rally to the cause to make sure she's the next president. >> no question. i also think the process of having so many democrats out is joyful. it reminds people how a lot of people get into politics for good reason. regardless of what happens, i know people watching on fox would love to see you on a debate stage with jd vance. you've commented on him, watched him. what would you love to debate about with him? >> where do you start? they've selected someone who's reminded so many americans why they're off-put by the turn that

the republican party has taken in the last two years. it's not just that he said a lot of things that are weird or insulting like the characterization of the democratic party is childless cat ladies. it's also that he seems to view everything in terms of the negative. what i mean by that, for example,ha this thing about havg children. i think a lot of us who have hah kids would certainly say that that experience opens you to a new way of opening up the world. he doesn't talk about it in those terms. he talks about if anybody doesn't have kids, they're of less value. it'sre not at just the weird ste he brings, but this leads to weird policies, like the number of votes you get in this election would be difference depending on how many kids you have. i would think one person, one

vote is a pretty basic universally accepted principle in this country. there are so many strange policies and commitments he has. what i would like to see in a debate is getting into that roim and a strange set of policies. let's also remember his relationship to project 2025. as you said, it's kind of amazing i that put all of this stuff out there. >> it's pretty remarkable. >> it's the first time i can remember thatti a comprehensibl plan has been so politically unpopular, the president, the candidate has to pretend he's got nothing to do with it. it's definitely a roadmap for future administration. jd vance having him on the ticketan basically certifies th ticket. he wrote the forward to the forthcoming book by the heritage foundation, which is the home of project 2025, which means it's

basically project 2025, the book. it couldn't be more on the nose in terms of revealing where a trump presidency would take this country, and kamala harris says effectively where it would take us is backward. >> the head of the heritage foundation was tickled pink, had a smile across its face when jd vance was mentioned. let me ask you. you're great in speaking in accessible language. you mentioned strange, weird, men and tim walz, the president use words. i think it's good and effective whoochlt i you think speaking about the works? >> i don't think this is just a debate or argument. we can go back and forth all day on a more progressive world view. but the stuff you're seeing out of trump and vance isn't just

conservative. in fact, sometimes it's as offensive to conservative ideas as it is to liberal ideas, the talk about terminating the t constitution, someone who wants to be president of the united states wanting to electrocute sharks and hannibal lector. it's not just in terms of policies and direction of the country, whichon is hugely important, but also what is it going to feel like a to live in this country? i don't want to worry about sharks that often or think about hannibal lector too often or any of the dark and twisted things that were kind of shoved in our face all of the time during the trump presidency and in a sense of the trump campaign. we have a chance for a better, brighter future. love about this contrast. look, don't get me wrong. we all know what we're up against and what would happen to the gravity of our economy if there were a chance for trump to return to power.

it's not just what we're trying to block but what we're tried to build. that's what's been so remarkable and sensible on the campaign trail. >> i agree. politics should be joyful essentially. we're going to sneak in a quick break and be right back with pete buttigieg. break and be right back with pete buttigieg

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we are back with pete buttigieg. so we were just talking beforer the break about messaging. there's almost too much to go after trump and vance on, which is a high-classed problem in some ways. one thing i think that's so interesting is this conversation about freedom. kamala harris is uses freedom in her campaign and she got permission to use the song "freedom." how can they reclaim the liberty mantle from the republicans? >> this is something i've believed in for a long time.

back when i was running, i thought it was important to talk about freedom. yes, it's important that people are free from overbearing government, which is the thing republicans have traditionally talked about. good government helps make sure you're free from other threats to your well-being. the afford aboutle care act made more people free because you didn't have to be in fear of what would happen if you had a medical event. it's important to keep people free from fear of gun violence, which is why we're the ones out there saying the most important thing we have to do to protect our kids isn't to ban a bunch of books. it's to make sure assault weapons aren't finding their way into neighborhoods or, god forbid, schools. there's a way to embrace that even further because trump's republican party has walked away from freedom. again, if you're talking military tribunals for political opponents, you have no business talking about freedom.

and so i think this is a really smart thing to do. first of all, i think it philosophically makes sense and it's who we are and who she is. i think it's smart because it's a peels to a lot of independents, what i like to call future former republicans, who sincerely continue to care about and are concerned and exhibit a is a woman's freedom to choice when it comes to abortion care. i think it's important since every election is important about the future, not at to just remind people of what happened but to have a plan. when you have a vance ticket that does not agree to grow your family through ivs, they do not support a lot of reproductive practices and they don't go

along with my freedom to marry. it's a powerful network. it's smart for the campaign but also fitting because that's what's very much at stake right now. >> you don't have to believe the framing. i know you've talked about this for a long time. let me ask you. a lot of people have asked a thousand times whether you're going to be a vice presidential running mate. you talk a lot about those things. you have little kids, you're happily married, you're in michigan a lot of the time. how do you talk about that? you're young. how do you talk about politics and the future? >> anything we do next is a family decision. i got into politics as a young single mayor. >> life's different now, huh? >> it really is. you know, i saw people say that on tv who had families, but i didn't really understand it. now i do.

the contributions and the sacrifices that my husband chastin makes, that our children make, even though they're about to be 3. they may not know it, but they're helping me to make it possible to serve. that's a really big deal and a heavy thing and not something to be done lightly. any time you consider a demanding job and demanding role in public life, you think twice about it because you know there's a cost. on the o'hand, having kids, having a family has helped me to better appreciate what's at stake in this election. i think about, again, the simple fact that our marriage and family is the most important thing in my life exists by a single vote on the supreme court. also, our kids, i hope and expect, will be around for the 22nd century. and so if i'm trying to make sure we make good decisions and elect good leaders and reinforce

what's best about this country going into the balance of this century so it goes well all the way into the next, they're going to be holding us accountable for that. i'm already -- they're not quite 3. i'm already at the stage of why and i realize i've got four or five whys before i'm out of answers. why, why, why, why. soon those questions will evolve into deeper questions about what we who are in positions of responsibility right now have done to make sure that they are safer from gun violence, to make sure that they grow into an economy that's fair, to make sure that they grow up into a climate that supports and sustains their well being. to me now when we talk about good climate choices, it's not about saving some abstract thing called the planet. it's about them. it's about making sure they're personally and materially better off. so, you know, i think that just opens up in a different way and

it propels me to do this. it's also reminded me how much more there is to life, which is work. >> which is a healthy thing, and also part of your story is your journey and chastin's journey, fighting for all of these issues. thank you very much. pete buttigieg in his personal capacity, appreciate it. coming up, jd vance's role has become a catastrophe. did you see what i did there? we'll be right back. did there we'll be right back. to duckduckgo on all your devie

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so it's become abundantly clear that jd vance has a problem with women, and when more women find out what he really thinks of them, they may have a problem with him, too, especially when they hear things he has said, like this. >> we're effectively one run in this country, via the democrats or corporate ol' diamondbacks by

chierldless cat ladies who are miserable in their choices and their whole life and they want to make others miserable too. the entire future of the democrats is controlled by people without children. how does it make any sense we've turned our country over to people who don't really have a direct stake in it? >> even tucker carlson looks a little confused there. first of all, jd vance really has no right to question why people don't have kids. that's none of his business whether a woman is childless by choice or adopted mother or stepmother like kamala harris. but it's insulting for women who have ever struggled with chad baring issues. jennifer aniston wrote, i can't believe this is coming from a ptential vice president of the united states. all i can say is i pray your

daughter is able to bear children out there. on a weirder level vance's comment revealed a bizarre habit of accusing people he doesn't like being cat ladies. any use of that term as a slur against women is now soliciting major backlash including taylor swift. she's also a childless cat lady and has yet to endorse a candidate in 2024. of course, as bad as all of that is, both for women in general it gets even worse. prior to his cat lady remarks, vance said if you don't have kids your vote shouldn't count as much as the ballot box. apparently he wants to deny voting rights to childless women. >> when you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you

should have more power, you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic than people who don't have kids. if you don't have as much of an investment in the future of this country, maybe you shouldn't get nearly the same voice. doesn't this mean parents get a bigger say in how our democracy functions? yes. >> so not only should childless women be less entitled, he also wanted to tax them at a higher rate than those who do have kids. that was too much for the editorial of "the wall street journal," which is quite conservative. they slammed vance who wanted to slam people who don't share his values. they point out the obvious, that, quote, raising taxes on the childless isn't a winning campaign slogan, no kidding. it's also in line with his radical stance on abortion, keeping with trump's view that women must be punished.

he wants to force women to bear babies from incest and sexual attacks. so basically to sum this all up, he wants all women to have children, even if they are raped, and for those who don't have kids, he thinks their vote should count less, and he has a special kind of hatred for women who have cats. the truth is jd vance is passing judgment on a whole lot of people in this country, but he's also been doing it for a long time. >> so i should say that we should care about the decline in fertility not just because it's bad for economy, but because we think babies are good, and we think babies are good because we're not sociopaths. >> of course, babies are good. i love babies. but people can still like babies and not have any of their own. and you're certainly not a soect

owe path just because you don't have children. got natalie vance's views are not winning praise within those in his own party. here's how one conservative pundit acknowledged his problem this week. >> if you're trying to win suburban women and you call them childless cat ladies, you're not going to convince them to come over to your side. i think it's funny as a republican, but i think a lot of suburban women on the fence are going to find it funny. >> vance is clearly trying to finding a way to make people mad on both sides of the aisle. when given the opportunity to clean things up and maybe apologize for all of those offensive words, this is what he said. >> obviously it was a sarcastic comment. i've got nothing against katzs. i've got nothing against dogs. i've got one at home and i love him. pea p are focusing so much on the sarr cass. and not the substance of what i said. the substance of what i said,

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so just in the past few days democrats have kind of organically settled on a new attack like on donald trump and jd vance. basically these guys are just plain weird. >> you know there's something wrong with people when they talk about freedom, freedom to be in your bedroom, your exam room, things children read. >> we're using this fake living room to talk about a super weird idea of jd vance.

>> it was quite weird. >> what wasn't weird was him talking about racism today and then talking about diet mountain dew. who drinks diet mountain dew. >> on the other side, they're just weird. they really are. >> some of the things his running mate are just plain weird. >> the co-host of a podcast, former secretary claire mccaskill and jennifer palmieri. you've been both of the people i've talked to in the green room and texted about everything happening in the past week. wayn't to start with this shift in messaging. i think it's very good, but i want to know what you think. jen palmieri, let me start with you. what do you make of this new it's weird, it's strange language we're seeing from a lot of democrats out there? >> i think -- you know, i think we need to credit governor walz

with it. he's such a straightforward midwestern guy and he's working, right? it's to say that -- you know, not get too wrapped around the axle hoff you describe what's happening but how you feel, which is just sort of odd. and then the other -- the other -- you talked about organic stuff breaking through, i think the other organic thing is we're not going to go back, right? that was the message from vice president harris, but the crowd picked up on it. the winning campaigns are the ones where things start to break through organically. you have weird on the defensive side. on the offensive side, you have her saying, we're not going back, and that's catching on with the public too. i think they're both really powerful. >> i totally agree. claire, you've run and won some very tough campaigns. you spoke with governor walz too. i think it's a very

constructible shift in messaging over the last week or so. >> yeah, i think democrats always have a problem trying to get into the weeds of why their policies are bad and why our policies are good. what i really like about the harris for president campaign is they are sticking with very relatable, very accessible, and, frankly, very uplifting tones. they're not saying the other side is extreme. they're just saying they're weird. and that's how people talk. i think people relate to that. and they're also talking about freedom and the future. and, by the way, we're proud of our laughter and joy. we're not talking about darkness and grievance. we're talking about light. we're talking about opportunity. so i think all of these broad strokes that are simple and straightforward are really going to serve the harris campaign well.

i just pray we don't get into the weeds about, oh, we've got to get into the policy differentials on environmental or on offshore drilling. we've got to stay with these really uplifting positive -- and by the way, they are weird. >> yeah. no question about it. i love what you said that's how people talk. this is sort of the bar. if you have had jobs like i've had and palmieri have had, you try to talk so people connect with you out there. you wrote an op-ed that had a lot of good lines an language that's so perfect for this moment. right now, i think a lot of things that surprised me is how eun faizing, energizing it really was. you have a line in here, i love this, where you say you can be both enthusiastic about the democratic ticket and the j

challenges vice president harris will face. i think you're right about it. what about the people who are out there wringing their handing and saying it's over and we won the race. >> what i think has happened particularly with women, we feel like we have a chance now, right, and we want to do everything we can to prevent a trump victory, and we feel like we have a fighting shot and we're ready to go at it. i think we have to fully embrace that because the vice president is going to need a lot of -- we all know -- i worked with hillary clinton. i know what's coming. by the way, it's coming. you have seen on the trump side they've put out a number of videos trying to attack the vice president. it's important that they and we don't get distracted by that. on the messaging side, i would pick up the fact that trump said

a couple of days ago to christians, you know, these are not your -- these are not your normal -- these are not your grandmother christians. we're talking about christians with a policy agenda, they said, you're not going to have to vote in four years because i'm getting everything done for you. that's some of the most extreme agenda you can imagine. like do offense on that and then give your supporters, all of these people who are newly energized, make sure they have something to do. give them assignment. do daughters and dads for kamala harris so fathers in american states are going to vote for vp. i think there's something really at the core of the support for her that's important, which is people feeling like i have a chance to fight back, what can i do to help, and making it and embracing that energy because it's going to take that kind of,

you know, group effort to get this -- to get this done. >> no question about it. and, claire, i could talk to you guys for hours. we only have about a minute left. i wanted to ask. one of the big moments here coming up is the vp pick. often, you can tell us who you like, who sticks out to you. i want to ask you. you know vice president harris well, what kind of factors, what are the factors that you think they're looking at, that i should look at as they're determining this? it's not just who's going to be your running mate for three months but who's going to be your partner for three years after that. >> all of them that are being vetted are really qualified. i don't think she can go wrong. she oohs going to look for someone who, number one, she feels like she has a good working relationship with, she can partner with, who can pivot and punch. and jen's right. they're going to really come after her. by the way, the only thing so far they've tried to come after her on is her record that supposedly she's not supportive

of law enforcement. we now have jd vance's word saying i hate the police and the pardoning of those who assaulted president. i think there ooh is a lot of pivot and punch to go on and get out there on the campaign trail. all that she's considered would be terrific. i don't think she could go wrong with any of them. >> claire mccaskill and jennifer palmieri, i appreciate you coming on this afternoon. senator laphonza butler stands by and is joining me next. r stands by and is joining me next a toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts.

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i want to show you a picture. this is vice president harris at the swearing-in smoep of laphonza butler last year. only three have served. in this one image there are two. a reminder that for every first there could be seconds and thirds and hopefully way more than that. it's a reminder that yes is possible, and it's a good thing to keep in mind as this presidential campaign unfolds. joining me now is is senator laphonza butler. i wanted to ask you, how has it been for you? >> jen, thank you so much for having me, first of all.

it's always great to talk with you. look it. this has been elation for me, for my family. my daughter's about to turn 10. she's known vice president harris her entire life. you know, as i was talking with her last sunday about what was happening and president biden's incredible leadership in this moment, the first thing she said to me is can you ask miss camela if i can be her vice president? that's what we want. that's what we want for our children. we want a leader our children can aspire to who's honest and pursues justice and is open to everyone. and so it's been a moment of great pride for me. i'm really ecstatic for my friend and i'm happy for the country. we have the opportunity to do something great, and it is right in front of us. but we've got a lot of work to do. >> you've been reminding people that elation is great.

it is great. i think so many people have been feeling that. also, this is not her first rodeo, the vice president's, and she's definitely not new. the attacks will continue to be launched. it also feels like part of the goal of this is to make people feel it's not possible, which is why i want to keep talking about this. what do you say to people who say that to you or you hearsaying that out there? >>. >> yeah, you know, look. it is not the vice president's first rodeo, and the truth of the matter is it's not the first time she's been bullied. it's not the first time she's been called names. on ever occasion that she's had to lead on behalf of the american people or people of california, she has leaned right into it. and so in her words to those who were name calling already, who are making dismissive, sexist, racist comments, bring it on.

people are tired of mediocrity being the only option. at this time we have app opportunity to do something great, to show women and girls, young men, the next-level of excellence for this country. what i say to them is bring it because we are not new to this. we're true to this. >> not new to this, true to this. i wanted to ask you because i can't get over his comments about women. i wanted to ask you about jd vance. you mentioned your daughter. i have a daughter a little younger than your daughter, as you know. when you hear the way he talks about women and families, he clearly doesn't understand the diversity of families in this country and how it's a beautiful thing, but what is your reaction to all of that? >> look, i think jd vance has got to speak for his comments himself. i find his comments derogatory

and dismissive. i find his comments to be representative of, frankly, the right wing of his party, exclusionary, and finding yet another category who simply don't belong in the american electorate and the fabric of our country. if you're going to tell groups they don't belong, women who don't have children, lgbtq plus communities they don't belong, that electorate is going to get smaller and smaller, and what we've got to be able to do is throw the doors of democracy wide open and create a space for everyone. and i believe vice president harris embodies that kind of vision for the country. >> before you were a senator, you've done a lot of things in your career, i think it's safe to say. you also r read the list. we're seeing these massive organizing calls out there of

white women. there's white dudes for harris. literally that's the name of one happening tomorrow. what do you want to see out there to be encouraged that what happened in 2016 won't happen again? >> you know, jen, it's a great, great question. i have had a circuitous career working for the men and women of labor, being supportive of the vice president, having the privilege of leading the oldest, most renowned organization for pro-choice women and politics at emily's list. what i look forward to is the telling of the story of california that truly does encompass the totality of america. you know, in order to be a successful and elected public servant in california, you've got to be able to bring people together. it is a diverse state that is not just los angeles and san francisco. it is 58 counties. it is beaches, it is mountain,

it is rural, and everything in between. and what california has taught vice president harris is everybody has to have a seat at the table for it to be meaningful, for us to truly be a part of this representative democracy. and, again, take the nation to its next-level of excellence. so i am excited about the opportunity for the vice president to put those full skills on display for women who are united and answering the call, uniting for the vice president. black women, latina women, api women. i was on the lgbtq plus community call, black men, white dudes. it's incredible the kind of coalition that is coming together to reject the vision of hate that is being put forth, to reject the division of division, and coming forward to bring a new story, a true story to what

this campaign is and what the future of our country can be. >> senator laphonza butler, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. i've got one more thing to tell you about before we get back. we're back after a very quick break. back we're back after a very quick break. e? oh, the answers on your phone. what if you're heading low at night? wow, it can alert you?! and you can even track your goals. manage your diabetes with confidence with dexcom g7. the most accurate cgm. learn more at dexcom.com.

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