people he deems his enemies. could he do that without even having to have a grand jury under this plan? >> you know, he can't. in our system, you got to keep these cases with a grand jury. but there's an old saying that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich. and getting past the grand jury, they stand up and he refused to indict? that is something to people who are intent on manipulating the evidence might be able to get away with. those cases would then have to proceed in front of a federal judge, in front of a jury of the defendants peers and through the appellate system in the courts. and joy, i think our system is still strong enough to stand up to that. >> joyce vance, thank you both very much. that is tonight reed out. you can see more of our project 2025 segments. he sure to share them widely with your family and friends. ask for joining us.

inside with jen psaki starts now . >> okay. we spend a lot of time on this show grabbing the threat of a second trump term, and we do that because it is extremely important to understand what could be coming and what the stakes are. but i know that at times, that can all feel kind of dark. and really depressing. are we all just trudging through the mud of politics together with no end or light insight? but i have to say, lately i haven't felt that way at all. not because trump has gone away. but because there is just this kind of new energy in the air. and i feel more excited about politics right now that i have in a very long time. we are going to spend some time tonight talking about all the reasons to be excited right now with some of the people who are just as excited as i am. were going to talk to minnesota governor tim walz, who is being

mentioned as a possible running mate. were going to talk to senator brian shots who endorsed the vice president with a picture of himself climbing up a coconut tree. and we talked to former obama speechwriter john favreau know what it's like to be in a campaign writing a wave of momentum. but first, i think it's important to know that the excitement i'm talking about isn't just my own personal take or the take of anyone on the show tonight. it's about the response to vice president harris. i got to be honest, the last seven days of surprised me a little. not because she isn't a smart, qualified, former prosecutor's candidacy is historic and so many ways. she is all of those things. her candidacy in the last week has been so unifying and so uplifting at times, it has even become a bit of a social media and pop culture phenomenon that goes way beyond the normal political conversation. and this resurgence of enthusiasm inside the democratic party and really beyond that, is really real. it is also measurable.

a new poll from abc news found that among democrats, 88% are excited to vote for the candidate. that's up from 62% in february. she has completely erased the enthusiasm advantage that trump once held. and all that new enthusiasm is also translating into action. i mean, in just the first week, the campaign managed to raise $200 million and sign up 100 70,000 volunteers. i've done a lot of these campaigns as you've heard me say many times. those are eye-popping numbers. now, we have 99 days to go until the election, but over the last seven days, there has been a palpable shift in momentum. i mean, very quickly, the harris campaign and democratic party at large have embraced this strong, very straightforward message. they want to take the country forward, not back. and they've coupled that with a symbol. a pretty resident observation about donald trump and his mega movement. and due in part to minnesota

governor jim tim walz. and that is that they are weird. >> i see donald trump talking about the wonderful hannibal lector are, or whatever weird thing he is on tonight. >> it's true. >> these are weird people on the other side. they come across weird, they -- >> a super weird idea from jd vance. >> it is quite weird. >> what was weird was him joking about racism today. >> it's not just a weird style that he brings. it is that this leads to weird policies. >> it's not just weird, it is scary weird. >> it is bizarre. and so it is weird. it is weird. >> on the other side, they are just weird. they really are. >> some things that he and his running mate are saying, it's just plain weird. >> trump's maga agenda isn't just dark and dangerous. it is that, too. it is weird. possessing over other people's

personal reproductive decisions is weird. attacking diversity and inclusion is weird, but here's the thing about this moment in time. democrats are just calling out donald trump and jd vance an incredibly clear terms. they are also making the affirmative piece for a different vision, and that is key. the rollout of the harris campaign is a reformer nearly every talented democrat is out there taking their case directly to the american people. let's listen to mission governor gretchen whitmer out on the campaign trail earlier today. >> vice president harris has decades of her life to public service. as district attorney, she put crooks and offenders behind bars. and it makes me think, maybe that is why donald trump is so scared of her. and let's be clear -- kamala harris has more experience than the trump vance ticket combined.

between the two of those dudes, they only have 5 1/2 years, and it's not public service, it is self-service. >> but in many ways, this election isn't just about the name on the ballot. it's about all of us. and what it is that we are willing to fight for. what it is that we are willing to work for and what kind of future we want to build for our children and our grandchildren. i don't know about you. i want a future that is cleaner and greener. i want a future with better schools and safer streets, and i want a future with more freedom, not less. and i want a future where i can look the 47th president of the united states in the eye and say, hello madam president. i hope you are whitney. let us get to work.

thank you. >> i mean, i almost wish there were weeks left, because we would see more members of the deep and talented democratic party bench put themselves out there. there is no question, it has been a jarring and unprecedented few weeks in american politics. but despite all that turbulence, we are now in a very different political landscape than we were even just a week ago. it has become more inspiring, more forward-looking, or hope. it is downright joyful. make no mistake, this race will still be difficult and close and everyone needs to prepare for that, but at the last week has shown anything, it is that the democratic party can be creative and direct and funny and actually, politics does not have to be a race to the bottom. it can be joyful. 20 ninos minnesota governor tim walz. governor, thank you so much for taking the time tonight. >> great to see you. you warmed my soul with those words. it's exciting. it is exciting.

>> it should be exciting. i have so much i want to ask you about, but first, we know you are someone who is being can enter for the vp slot and i know you are not to get into the process, so don't worry, but i don't have to tell you -- you are a pretty popular choice out there. you've kind of been on the rise last week. how does that feel? >> it's always an honor to be on that, but look at that dream team of gretchen and josh. just look at the enthusiasm. it's coming from people. people are looking for something different. and look, 20 years of teaching school, i'm just going to say it, it feels like the first day of school. the rooms are clean, the building smells great, it's the politics of joy, and this has been -- there's been a cloud. this dystopian nonsense, the recycled rallies that he does, nobody wants that. nobody wants it.

so i'm excited to be out there with folks. i said, my kids are back and engaged again. that is the absolute litmus test that vice president harris has lit something that we needed. it's a new day, a new school year. everything is possible. >> we love new school years and school supplies, too. heart of the reason why so many people love you is because you have basically made weird happened. and everybody is echoing they are weird, how they talk about this is weird. you slapped this label onto trump and jd vance. and the campaign is using it, surrogates are using it, it is pretty simple. one of the things that's happened that's pretty weird is jd vance appears to have noticed -- and i want to play this clip he posted with a caption reading, jd vance is weird,". so let's play it. >> my pronouns are she/her/hers. >> mine, too. >> i'm not sure watching that

if he gets what he is doing there, but what did you make of that? >> well, you are seeing that. in this observation, weird came from people i know. i friends, my relatives, republicans -- some of them -- they are awkward. and it stems from, who is asking for this crazy stuff? who is asking to raise the price of insulin? who is asking to get rid of birth control? they do these focus groups or whatever. who is sitting in a bar saying, we really need to ban animal farm. nobody is. they are talking about real things. when these guys given situations in front of real people, and trying to pretend like they know what people are going through, got nothing to offer. and no one can picture them in their own lives. i brought this thing up the donald trump tries to mock vice president harris for laughing, and i made the point, you never

see this guy laughed. you see them do normal things. i go home at night, i pick up the frisbee, my dog catches it and he gets a belly rub for being a good boy. victor these guys doing that stuff. they just can't. we hear where you are coming from. and i made the pitch that i watched that rally in st. cloud, minnesota, where he lied about the election and lied about everything. but the thing that i thought was so joyful was kamala harris is going to be there to provide reproductive health care to the women were standing behind him. he's going to be there to make sure their social security for the seniors were standing behind him as he talked about nonsense. going to be there to make sure those workers can unionize to get a good job. that's a politics of this. whether they vote for us or not, that's irrelevant. taking the country forward with a positive message on things that work, that's what people are inspired about. what are they going to tell us about? they are not talking in the legion clubs about banning books and things. they are wondering why this project '25 cuts va benefits.

why would they do that? why is donald trump doing that? so this is a golden opportunity. yes, they are weird. they prove that every day. you can picture them doing these things, but what it does is it opens up for a lot of other really good people who want to know what the democrats stand for. what can you guys do for us? i think that's what the vice president has brought to the race. >> this is ultimately what elections are supposed to be about. you said something else i found interesting and have been thinking about. we all give trump way too much credit, and democrats should ratchet down some of the scariness. you said, quote, we are not afraid of weird people. we are little creeped out, but we are not afraid. i want to get you to expand on that a little bit. there are some scary things that trump is planning to do. i'm not suggesting you are trying to back away from that. tell me a little bit more about what you mean by that. >> yeah, he is terrifying. he's going to strip the productive rights. he is going to weapon is the federal government. he is going to put the world at risk. but i think when you have these big things -- i would argue

through climate change, if it is an aspirational or a big thing that becomes too scary, people don't know what they can personally do about it, and he gives them a power that he doesn't deserve. this guy has done nothing. he's accomplished nothing. is never served in the military. he's never been successful a business. he comes up and says, oh, i send the national guard. everyone knows that wasn't true in minneapolis. we watched george lay down the streets and it was a tough time. he is tweeting from his bunker to shoot people. that is not leadership. that doesn't solve anything. i think you take that away from him by stating the obvious. and people are doing that. you wouldn't hang around this guy. it's just too weird. we turn and headed back to it. what we can do is leave the world in renewable energy. we can create new jobs. young people are like, what are you old folks going to do? are you going to leave us something we can work with? that's why i'm glad they are coming out with this. we need to get it handed off to them, but we need to give them something to do, something that is worth it. and i think this guy -- i

watching now, he is spooked. now we are talking -- now they are mean to us. these democrats are mean, because they are calling us weird. i think it was hillary clinton who said, stop being weird and we will call you that. that's a point here. come up with some good ideas. >> stop being weird, for the frisbee with your dog. we have to sneak in a very quick break. it's only 60 seconds. governor walz, i hope you don't mind sitting around just for another block with. her block w and i can't ♪ punch buggy red. ♪ even say why ♪ ♪ i am, i said ♪ ♪ ♪ what does a robot know about love? it takes a human to translate that leap in our hearts into something we can see and hold. etsy.

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i mean, a lot of people watching in the military, a lot of people are going to vote who are in the military. how has your military background impacted how you've approached public service? >> for me, the first time i ever wrote on a plane is i flew from omaha, nebraska, to fort benning georgia outside columbus, georgia. to be honest, it came from a town that had no diversity in it. that's the first time i was around people of color in the south. the military was a place for everybody work together as a team and it's where people rose up in the ranks. you learn how to think, you learn how to work as a team, and what i've always said is the military gave far more to me than i get back to them, but it was that sense of being part of something bigger. i've been a big advocate for universal public service. the military is not for everybody. i would love to have a civilian peace corps here. you can work at the conservation or because our people want to be a part of that. we don't need 2% in the military, and then that is that connection. for me, my dad was a korean

lawyer and veteran. i would like the idea that you could go into a school and help kids read, you could go to yellowstone park or do trails and stuff, and it would give you a civilian g.i. bill. that's the type of thing that brings us back together. i will tell you, in the military, no one cared. no one you my politics all i was in there. my politics was to serve the country. i think there are so many positives. and people listening, i think you all know this that the military is as diverse as society. it is supposed to be. it's not all conservative, it's not all liberal. but that is how the country works. we have a common mission, and we listen to the civilian leadership. it's another thing that donald trump knows nothing about. whether it's insulting veterans , or i said cutting the benefits. that is an important part of who we are. i'm just proud to have done it. >> i mean, cutting better benefits, you've done a lot of work on it. people don't understand that.

we know how donald trump feels about the military. he wants to use it to target his political enemies, or that is something he has kind of alluded to. what would you say to voters to help them understand just how dangerous it would be to have him in the role of commander in chief again? as you said, it is service. it's not supposed to be politicized. >> is huge. the insurrection act of 1804, we are a country that does not use our military on the streets against civilians. it was rescinded during hurricane katrina, and we restored that, because the idea of the executive having control of that -- just to be very clear, this was a concern across -- in george floyd, in minneapolis, and across other cities that donald trump would violate the insurrection act and use federal troops to suppress that. and serving in this, i serve as a council of governors, which are appointed. donald trump appointed me,

reappointed by joe biden. it's five republicans and five democrats that governors make sure that civilian leadership is what is in charge. our national guards are used for our states, and if they are federalized, then they go under the president's authority. but that is a line that can't be crossed. it's a line that can't be crossed of using the military to police civilians. 2025 gets rid of this and moves in that direction. i think understanding that the military reflects society and serves us, donald trump continues to try and divide us. the military is one of the first places to integrate. it's one of the places rewrite by merit. and they try and take this. i think democrats, we need to take back the flag. we need to make the case that we serve patriotically and we love this country, and that means respecting the constitution. this is changing. i see veterans out there, i see people making the case that would donald trump is doing for

what the antithesis of all of us served for. >> it is such an important point, and it did little to hear from someone who had served. you have a 23-year-old daughter. i know you did a fun video with her today, and also had a 17- year-old son. what do they make of this newfound attention you are getting? are they making fun of you? is it a combination of all of it? >> they are the most wonderful kids. i am so blessed, but they are really tight with me. we have to crackdown on the social media now because everyone is looking, and i am from infringing upon a very sacred right. they get it, they are honored to do it, i am proud to have them. i am just glad to be around them. their enthusiasm right now is contagious. they're coming of age, my son will be able to vote for the first time this fall. he is paying attention to it. it's not the dark, ugly things that we have seen for 8 years. i'm going to give all shout out to vice president harris.

you said it right, she's become a cultural star. she is what we needed. she is the antidote to what was ailing us. we needed her, she is out there working hard, and imagine when we wake up with president kamala harris. i hear doug, her husband say, donald trump will be able to pronounce that better. just madam president. that will work. >> governor tim walz, always a pleasure speaking with you. thank you for taking the time tonight. coming up, former obama speech writer joins me to talk about democrats positioning themselves as the party of real freedom. the first, donald trump weighed in with the mess his vice president. he joins me after a very quick break. we will be right back. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients.

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not political at all. that is basically what fox news told vance before he introduced him on the show just last night. >> some of the finest people i know don't have children. teachers and guidance counselors and doctors, and they love other people's children enough to teach and guide and protect and minister to them. some people choose not to have children. others desperately want them, but they can't. i have heard from many women, most of whom are conservative, and david very much like to vote for president trump and you, but senator, they are disappointed. >> i mean, with that introduction, he wasn't just challenging dances weird ideas, he was giving vance a huge opportunity to clean up the mess he's made. that's called a softball. and yet, in response, vance insisted he didn't really say what we all heard him say. instead, he accused democrats of blowing his words out of proportion.

>> do you agree that there are people who very much love this country and are invested in its future, but they also happen to be childless? >> oh, of course i believe that, trey. if you look at the full context of what i said, it's very clear the democrats have tried to take this thing out of context and blow it out of proportion, which is what they always do, trey. >> just for the record, nobody made him say childless cat ladies. running is now is democratic senator of kauai. he gave him quite a generous tee up there, and they seem to double down. what did you make of his comments there? >> i think is in a right-wing bubble. i think he sort of operates like a right-wing podcaster were nobody pushes back on anything that he says, were being cruel, making fun of people, kind of like a 19-year- old in a fraternity, is like the whole vibe. and i think that is just not a good way to get votes. and so this whole idea that has popped up pretty much organically over the last week

that the other side is weird is not a personal attack. it's not a schoolyard barb. it is an observation of their behavior. but he runs around thinking, you are a childless cat lady. nobody thinks to judge someone else's choices or lack of a choice in terms of starting a family. so he is off to a rough start, but i do think you make the key point, which is he got an opportunity to clean it up and decided not to, and that's what happens when you live in a right-wing bubble. >> and maybe when you believe what you say. >> trump was asked to put defend picking vance. i want to play what he said and get your thoughts on it. >> what can you say to our viewers tonight to reassure them that this was an excellent pick? >> well, first of all, he's got tremendous support, and he really does come among a certain group, people that like families. you know, he made a mistake. that doesn't mean that people that aren't a member of a big and beautiful family with 400 children around and everything

else, it doesn't mean that a person doesn't have -- is not against anything, but he loves family. >> it's very awkward. i almost felt for him for just a second there, what did you make of trump's answer? just for a second. >> there is an old saying in politics, when you are explaining, you are losing. and the vice presidential nomination, not the for the vice presidential nominee in a position where they got to explain away the things that they have said. this is the problem, right? is that i think they really believe in their hearts, in order to help one group, they have to hurt another group. in order to help people with children, you people without children. in order to help white people, you have to harm people of color. in order to help men, you have to harm women. i think kamala harris represents a totally different point of view, which is, we reject the premise that in order for someone to rise, someone else has to be punished.

that has been the governing philosophy of the previous trump administration. and certainly the trump/vance ticket, which is, let's figure out how we can punish. >> which is, again, a very weird thing and not how people talk or how they think the letter political backgrounds. that's why i think this whole weird thing is working or resonating. i need to get resonating? the mac because it's sticking. democrats have a way of over explaining and maybe sounding a little shrill. it's grotesque, it is -- you know, un-american. is a danger to democracy. and i think the better response, because it encapsulates all of that, but in a way that doesn't sound so freaked out, and so obsessed with politics is, why are you guys so freaked out about what people want to do with their lives? why won't you leave people alone in the exact room with them and their doctor? why won't you leave people alone in the school classroom, in the library, in the bedroom? just leave people alone with their freedoms and stopping so weird about other people's

choices. >> is like a funny irony. historically, it's been like this, republican messaging the democrats are too engaged in your lives, and now it's the reverse. the president had an op-ed in the washington post, he announced some proposals for the supreme court. big progressive supreme court reforms, including term limits. what did you think of those, and how do people understand what the path forward is? there's not an easy path forward here, i think it significant he did it. >> the supreme court is truly out of control. these last couple of terms have been more than alarming. obviously, eliminating the right to choose for women across the country, but the chevron decision, and numerous immunity decisions, all of this, to me, demonstrates that these people think they operate outside of the realm of political power. and, look. all three branches of government are supposed to struggle against each other for power, but their view, the supreme court in particular, is

that they are exempt from any struggle and that they are in charge of all of us. not only that, but the judiciary may be subject, generally speaking, to ethics disclosures and ethics requirements any basic expectation that you don't take money or consideration him someone that is arguing before the court. with the supreme court and the supreme court only has decided to exempt it self. and the idea that we would cause them to have to -- after 18 years not be a supreme court justice any longer, and disclose what types of gifts they may or may not be receiving, is like every other federal employee, just like most members of the legislature and the state government. this is something that only those nine people don't have to do, and i think president biden and kamala harris are tapping into a basic instinct here, which is, decisions are one thing, and they have been horrific, this idea that they get to operate outside the bounds of normal expectations of the law, it doesn't work anymore.

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he served in that key role for eight years from 1987 to 1995, and then for another eight years as ranking minority member. in that time, he oversaw 10 confirmation hearings of supreme court justices, including the highly contentious ones a robber board and clarence thomas. now, if you had told the senator joe biden of that era that one day, he would be embracing term limits for supreme court justices as president, and that the actions of the republican nominee for president in 2024 would prompt the need for a constitutional amendment ensuring future presidents are not above the law, he might not have believed you. that is exactly what he did today. >> call it your constitutional amendment. call it no one is above the law, amendment. the second thing i asking for, we've had term limits for presidents of the united states for 75 years. after the truman administration. i believe we should have term

limits for supreme court justices of the united states supreme court as well. third, i am calling for binding code of conduct for the supreme court. >> president biden laid out his proposal in greater detail in the washington post, writing, quote, we can and must prevent the use and abuse of presidential power. we can and must are for the public space in the supreme court. we can and must strengthen the guardrails of democracy. in america, no one is above the law. in america, the people rule. the vice president and de facto vice presidential candidate kamala harris endorsed the plan in a statement where she said, ", we strongly believe the american people must have confidence in the supreme court. the fact that the president is choosing to put so much emphasis on these reforms in these final innings of his lengthy and amazing political career says a lot about how he

sees the crisis of competence in the supreme court. and there's a lot to be concerned about. in the nearly four years since donald trump successfully installed it conservative super majority, the supreme court has made a litany of dangerous and destructive rulings. instruct on affirmative action in higher education and rejected a ban on bumps box, which makes semi automatic weapons fire bullets faster. of course, they also added a constitutional right to an abortion and ruled the donald trump can claim immunity from prosecution for official acts as president. that is not to mention the ethics scandals and direct the court, including justin's clarence thomas is highly met official relationship with a billionaire republican medical donor, harlan crow. and as joe biden recently warned, donald trump wins re- election, he could get to name two more justices to be part of this hyper partisan corrupt court. republicans have always been able to use the supreme court as a motivating issue. the question now is if democrats can do the same. former obama speech writer john

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>> the quest for freedom is stronger than steel. or permanent than concrete. >> they know the difference between freedom and tyranny, and they stood up for the one and they dam to the other. >> we know what works. freedom works. we know what is right.

freedom is right. >> freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. >> it may be hard to remember now, but there was a time when republicans thought they had a monopoly on the word freedom. but now, as the maga version of that party rifles through libraries to find books they can ban and rips abortion rights away from american women as they did just today in iowa, democrats have a real opening to make the case that, actually, they are the party of freedom. just listen to how and sylvania governor josh shapiro talked about donald trump and freedom earlier today. >> while he is hugging the flag, do you know what he is doing? he is ripping away our freedoms. that's what he is all about, because here's what i know -- it is not freedom to tell our children what books they are allowed to read. that is not freedom. it is not freedom to tell people

they can go to work, but they can't join a union. that is not freedom. it is not freedom to tell women what they are allowed to do with their bodies. that is not freedom. >> john favreau served as a speechwriter to president barack obama. he's now a cohost on the pod save america cohost as well as author of the new york times number one best-selling book, democracy or else: how to save america in 10 easy steps. all right, so john, thank you for joining me. that is a really -- i thought -- thank you for being here. i thought that was a very good riff by governor schapiro. you've written a lot of these. pete buttigieg has done a similar riff on freedom. a couple of people did. i want to get your take on schapiro's riff, and also democrats efforts to kind of

sees freedom back as a term they are using in their messaging. >> well, you remember, you and i were at the 2004 convention with our old boss, barack obama, who was then not our boss, gave that very famous speech at the convention, and i think the reason people still remember that speech, which is now 20 years ago, is that he tried to reclaim patriotism. and he reclaimed patriotism by letting people know that the values embedded in our founding documents that were all created equal, that we all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that when we haven't lived up to those ideals in the past, men and women in this country have fought and bled so that we actually could, so that we could make things better. and every time that happened, we brought into the american story.

he brought into the american family to include more people and provide more freedom for people. i do think that would josh shapiro and kamala harris and a lot of democrats right now are doing is trying to reclaim that patriotism from donald trump and his party because there patriotism is an airbrushed patriotism, and donald trump, as josh shapiro is pointed out, it's to talk down america all the time. i do think making that context is really important, especially since trump and the republicans have embraced ideas that are so far outside the mainstream and so extreme. >> no question about it. it was interesting watching republican rifts from years ago. some of them seem a little robotic. that was one of my takeaways, too. let me ask you, the democratic convention feels like it's far away. it's not that far away. the country has seen -- the vice president stump speech, her attack liens, it's been very well received. she's got a lot of good lines in there. but you written a lot of convention speeches. they are different from your stump speech. she is working on that now.

no question about it. how is it different, and how do you think, if you are them, you should be thinking about trying to land in that? >> well, i also think kamala harris's confession speech is going to be even more different than the usual convention speech, because no major party nominee has ever, reintroduce themselves to a national audience. audience. to the extent that that is different than the biden administrations or even similar. people want to know what she's going to do, and i think that she also probably wants to embrace that sense of patriotism, because the republicans and donald trump are going to try to paint her as other. she is not like us. it's us versus them. i do that with every democrat, they done that for the last

several years. because people don't know kamala harris as well is a new joe biden, she is going to want to sort of define herself as someone who loves this country, who has been given every chance by this country, who has worked hard and wants to make sure everyone else has that chance, too, and everyone else has a right to freedom that was in our founding documents. she has a lot to do in this speech, but i think what they are going to do in this speech will end up being the stump speech she uses from the convention to election day. >> that is an interesting point. the other piece that is different about this convention, as you said, she is being reintroduced, that's part of what the convention is. she's being introduced uniquely, because she's been the front runner for a week now. there's all these other former presidents, as prominent governors. there's all these people that are going to give speeches. how does that orchestra work? we love to talk about what's

happening behind the scenes on the show to help people understand, and all these people are working on their speech and they had to readjust them since the politics of the 2024 campaign changed a week ago. >> look, each speaker, especially the prime time speakers, are going to want to credential kamala harris, talk about how they know her, what they know about her, that they know about her values, what she has done, what she will do. i also think they have to make the case about why donald trump and jd vance would be so bad for 4 more years. is actually a lot more to get done at this convention than there would have been, i think, if biden was a nominee, because i think biden would focus solely on the choice of what he is proposing and what trump is proposing. in this convention, yet introducing your nominee. and then you still have to make sure that the choice between trump and harris is as clear as possible, and that it actually means something to people's lives. how trump would affect their lives and how harris would affect their lives.

>> we only have a few seconds left. you can name more than one. you have a vice presidential running mate choice? >> i don't have a choice. i mean, i think josh shapiro would be fantastic. i think mark kelly would be fantastic. anyone of those three i would be pretty excited about. >> in the spirit of the olympics, they all get a medal. john favreau, thank you as always for joining me. everyone go by his book if you are inspired right now. i got one more thing to tell you about before we go today. we are back after a very quick break. break. your genes stack up against world-class athletes. or even your trash-talkin' cousin, brad. see which athletic traits are built into your dna, and the people you share them with. so get on your mark, and get set for the sale of the summer. before brad beats you to it. ♪♪

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>> okay. as a self-proclaimed olympic super fan -- i even love all the music -- i've obviously been consuming a ton of content for this year's games in paris. it really is hard to describe how much joy the olympics brings me. every aspect. and of course, every four years, there are stories out of the games that are bigger than sports. so before we go tonight, i wanted to share one story that left me feeling all the fields. on sunday, 21-year-old swimmer tory husk pulled off a bit of a surprise win in the women's 100 meter butterfly, winning her first-ever olympic gold medal for team usa. that is exciting on its own. she barely edged her teammate, and also the world record holder in the event at the wall i just for 100 of a second.

and that win came just three years after she missed out on meddling in the tokyo olympics by 100th of a second. a moment that she says was devastating. but rather than letting that moment to feed her, husk just used it as motivation to get better. she worked harder. to see the look on her face appeared shock, joy, and elation as she stared up at the results board after she won, it was just one of those extraordinary olympic moments that gives you chills. and when it came time to get there metals, husk invited her teammate, gretchen walsh, to stand beside her atop the podium, smiles on their faces and a beautiful moment of camaraderie in the first two american women to finish 1, 2 in the event since 1984. that's not just a story about winning an olympic medal at 21 years old. it's about picking yourself after disappointment and bringing others with you. the rachel maddow show starts now.