night reinforcing that for ronnie and nelly biles after simone briefly appeared to be in pain during the qualifying sessions. >> i said what is she doing, is she hurt? please don't let her be hurt. >> reporter: they are kids when they start chasing this dream to fly above the rest but simone biles, the senior member of the usa team, still takes assurance from mom and dad's presence, just like she always has. ys has. sitting, and that is the main thing for her. >> they plan to be right her there on tuesday when simone writes her comeback story. >> you have so many reasons to be proud of simone. you think back to those days when you are watching her as a kid ? >> i never thought that this would be what i would be experiencing. this is her third olympics. this is incredible. >> she knows exactly where they are sitting and over the weekend, she loved seeing snoopn dogg sitting right next to her parents. if you are like me and you want

to watch more of the olympics after this, head over to peacock. it is all the there. i wish you all a very good night. from all of the networks across nbc news, thanks for staying up late. see you against him on dash- again tomorrow. >> are you ready for a weird one ? this is a truly weird one. i did not come up with this. this is not a rachel maddow special, this is recorded in black and white in full detail. i am only the messenger. all right, 1937, amelia earhart, pilot, first woman to fly solo across the atlantic ocean, she holds tons of records. she is a national hero, inspirational figure. amelia earhart sets off in 1937 to become the first woman to fly all the way around the world. and it does not work.

her flight disappears over the south pacific. she is never found. fast forward 75 years. 2012. in 2012, on the 75th anniversary of her effort to fly around the world, 75th anniversary there is going to be a new excursion to try to find the records of her plane. to try to figure out what happened. and an eccentric gazillion or writes to the expedition, the guy that is leading this expedition to look for amelia earhart, and the gazillionaire says we've never met, i want to come along on this mission of yours. and i will give you $1 million if you will take me. the guy leading this expedition is like, well, we really should and could use 1 million of

these guys dollars, this is an expensive thing. so sure, i guess you can come along. so they bring them along. and the guy who they have brought along if somebody who has had an unusual life, he grew up in fabulous, fabulous wealth. his last name is mellon, with 2l's . one of the most famous and wealthy families in the united states. timothy mellon is heir to the family fortune. he also used his share of the mellon felony -- family fortune to found a bunch of different companies. companies that ended up having just appalling records of the wrongful death of their workers. and causing environmental disaster. and falsifying financial records, including at least one criminal conviction of one of

his companies. but he floats on a sea of money. and he has decided that he would like to spend some of that sea of money on which he floats on paying to attend the go find amelia earhart mission. and so he pays $1 million to make them take him on the mission. and here we pick up with the new york times. "the expedition failed to find ehrhardt's plane. but in subsequent online discussions where members shared theories about the earhart ministry, mr. mellon became increasingly fixated on video taken during a previous o search. he wrote hundreds of posts, where he claimed that he could see airline wreckage, personal effects and eventually bodies. others tried to explain to him that he was only seeing rocks and coral, but mr. mellon

insisted that he could discern items that they had missed. a banjo, a severed hand, even 75-year-old rolls of toilet paper." okay, just checking in for a second. it's the 75 years after. so this is literally 75 years after the plane went down, and what this dude thinks he sees his toilet paper. from back then, under the sea today. [laughs] who among us does not think if we dropped some toilet paper into the sea, it would be intact and sitting there waiting to be collected 75 years from now ? in fact, you know, if you are short on storage in your house or apartment, have you considered storing your toilet paper under the sea, perhaps with spongebob ? put it in his pineapple

house. you just tuck it in their. it will definitely still be intact and in great shape 75 years from now. i would say, if you did that today this would be the year 2099. you would be floating your toilet paper up to use it. it would be in great shape. i'm sorry, anyway. back to this. mr. mellon insisted he could . discern items they had missed. a banjo, a severed hand, even 75-year-old roy's-- rolls of toilet paper. it was apparent, he said, that the heads of earhart , meaning the anatomical head, he adds were encased in cellophane bags connected by a hose to a nitrogen tank. which he thinks he saw on an

undersea video even though nobody else could see it. alongside the intact 75-year- old rolls of toilet paper, the man is convinced that he has found amelia earhart's head in a cellophane bag. this is strange. so what happens next ? two things. one of them you might guess, the other one you want. the first thing is that the leader of the expedition fielding complaints from members about mr. mellon's outlandish ideas eventually limited his privileges on the online forum. meaning, my dude, thank you for paying $1 million to come along, but now i think we are done with you and your insistence on the heads in a bag thing. so that is the first thing that happens. you are no longer here on our online forum. what is the second thing ? mr.

mellon , again, convinced he had seen amelia earhart's head on the seafloor in a cellophane bag, sued the expedition. claiming his one million-dollar gift had been unnecessary because the expedition team already had video evidence of al earhart's plane but did not act on it. he spent at least $150,000 on his own forensic experts trying to prove his assertions. he pursued the case all the way to an unsuccessful appeal. the judge dismissed mr. mellon's claims , the case dragged on for years. which, among other things, imperiled the finances. so dragging this out for years, potentially pushing the exploration company to bankruptcy through no fault of their own, but he is dragging them through court because they screwed him. they had the evidence of the he toilet paper all along and the banjo and the heads.

that no one else can see but he can see them. okay, pop quiz. which figure in this story is the single largest donor in the country to the donald trump and jd vance campaign ? if you guessed amelia earhart's disembodied head in a bag, i'm sorry, you're wrong. it's this guy. unexpected twist, which figure in the story is the single largest donor in the country also to the robert f kennedy junior conspiracy theory and anti-vaccine presidential campaign ? also not familiar ehrhardt's disembodied head, nor the toilet paper rolls. same guy. you have heard all this news about donald trump and jd vance having this support from elon musk and all these eccentric, very, very, very right wing antidemocracy billionaires. actually, no. it's this guy is the biggest donor. he has given more to the trump

vance residential effort than anyone else in the country. and he has also given more to the rfk junior for president effort than anyone else in the country. both of those campaigns, him as the largest donor. of all the weird things in the story, it's actually not all that weird that those go together. that trumps biggest donor is also rfk's biggest dude-- donor. both of which are intended to siphon votes away from harris and the democrats by tricking people into voting for rfk. instead, the rfk campaign is built to help elect donald trump. as for timothy mellon, the i found the head of amelia fo earhart in a bag guy, he has made nearly a quarter billion

dollars in donations to conservative candidates and causes just in the past four years. he has not been doing this forever. but he's really doing it now. and he indeed has given $75 million to trump and vance and 25 million to rfk junior and who knows what else. mr. mellon wrote a memoir in 2014, in which he said citizens who get help from the government are "slaves of a new master, uncle sam." he also wrote that in the 1980s "black people became even more belligerent and unwilling to pitch in to improve their own situations." even more belligerent. but that is the man who has done more to really then anyone else in the united states to try to get these men back in

the white house. and honestly, to get toilet paper the respect it deserves. for its surprising resilience against deep-sea conditions. admit it. you aren't giving toilet paper the credit it deserves. 75 years old. se under the sea. so we are 99 days out from the presidential election. the democrats by the end of next week will have officially nominated vice president kamala harris as the presidential nominee. which we think means with that timing, they are saying she will be nominated officially by august 7th, next wednesday. we think it means that sometime in the next few days, we will know who she has chosen as a running mate. interestingly, the north carolina governor announced that he is taking himself out of consideration for that role. only the second person to have done that. and you know, honestly, who knows with the vice president

really does have on her shortlist. this is the kind of decision that a nominee absolutely gets to make on their own. so they will get advice, and they will take advice from all sorts of different people and see how the candidates make the case for themselves on the campaign trail and elsewhere. but ultimately, it's up to her so we shall see. popular wisdom is that these are a reasonable approximation of the folks in the running. minnesota governor tim walz, transportation secretary people to judge, kentucky governor andy beshear, pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, arizona senator mark kelly, maybe michigan senator gary peters. this is kind of an interesting choice being discussed. maybe there is somebody else being vetted that we don't know

about. whoever her choice is, it will h all help in-- happen fast now. democrats are getting fast out of the gate since kamala harris took the helm with this incredible wind in the sales in terms of volunteers and energy and fundraising and in terms ofn just everything coming together so fast. one of the things that democrats are very quickly honed in on, i think in an unexpected but pretty deeply resonant way, is that there is something a little off with the other side. there is something a little weird with the republican campaign. and i don't actually think it's personal, i don't think it is that donald trump is personally weird or that jd vance is personally weird. it's that there is something weird about the campaign. and you know, weird isn't a , pejorative term necessarily. who among us isn't a little

weird ? it isn't bad intrinsically. but in case of the republican ticket and how they are trying to regain the white house, there is something going on that does feel off. and sort of unsettling. some of it is right on the surface. one piece is deeper and darker. it is not just because the single biggest donor is a billionaire who is convinced he found amelia earhart in a bag e and if you say otherwise he will see you in court. that is right on the surface. it's also that trump has been hanging around in an eccentric right-wing billionaire pinball machine. don't forget that in addition to everything else going on, hel does owe hundreds of millions of dollars in civil fraud penalties. thanks to what he and his business got caught doing in new york state. as he embarks on yet another presidential run. a third presidential run. with that personal financial disgrace and pressure looming

over him. he has gravitated more than you might even expect and more than he even has in the past. two very eccentric, very right wing billionaires for financial support and i'm interestingly, to tell him what to do. which he has done directly to now repeatedly embarrassing effect. for example, trump used to call bitcoin and cryptocurrency a disaster waiting to happen. he said he was "not a fan. he said crypto and pinpoint work "based on thin air. now, after meeting with crypto lobbyists, he says he's going to make america the crypto capital of the planet. trump was against tiktok. then he met with a billionaire who has a big stake in tiktok and now he is a champion of

tiktok. trump promoted the right-wing boycott of budweiser. they are so left-wing. which is insane in the first place. but it was a thing for the right and trump promoted those. then a lobbyist through my fundraiser and he did a total 180. we should all be buying budweiser now. now it's electric vehicles. trump has been railing against electric vehicles for years. and really intensely for months. remember it was part of his weird rambling, never ending speech at the rnc that there is an electric vehicle mandate. which there isn't. and he is going to free us from the fake electric vehicle mandate, he will allow americans to have gas cars again since joe biden band gas cars. again, this is not a true thing he was saying. about there being any mandate about electric cars. but he has been on this for months about how electric cars are terrible and he will free us from the tyranny of electric

cars. except, now he has just realized this might make for ani awkward relationship with elon musk, who is occasionally the richest man in the country and who owns an electric car company. trump has now started talking about how much he loves electric vehicles. how he drives them, how they are incredible, how they are so great. and you know, you do that once, maybe you evolved or maybe it is a coincidence or maybe you just got old and confused and forgot your previous stance. but it's everything now. it's on everything. pick a topic, he takes pi position, meets billionaire who has opposite position, trump then adopts opposite position. it just happens over and over again.

somebody should-- get him to meet and i hate licorice billionaire. see how long it takes them to start reeling about the evil of twizzlers. he's going to ban licorice, make america whatever again. trump did have one very tr important billionaire in 2016 who he then subsequently lost. the far right eccentric silicon valley billionaire peter teal. famous for saying that everything has gone downhill since women have the right to vote and he doesn't freedom and democracy are compatible, so he chooses freedom and democracy has to go. he lost peter teal after supporting him in 2016, trump is working hard to get him back and that has caused trump to do some weird stuff. after teal supported trump in 2016, he decided he wasn't 20 going to support politicians anymore. but then in 2022, he changed his mind and he couldn't resist. he ran two of his own protigis

for the senate. i■ jd vance in ohio, the man on the left and blake masters in arizona, the man on the right. these were both protigis of h peter teal. these are both men who peter teal built out of clay, giving jobs by him, both made wealthy by him. he created both of their careers and adopted them both as protigis. and then peter teal in both cases single-handedly funded a senate campaign for each of them at the same time. he had supported trump and republican candidates in 2016, then swore off doing that. couldn't resist, got back into it with these two who he ran for senate in 2022. he personally individually invested $15 million in each of their races. which is larger than any single donation ever made in any othera senate race by any other person. and he did it for both of them. and there is no chance either of them would've had anything remotely approaching a chance

at winning either of those seats without peter teal. vance one but barely. now peter teal has succeeded in getting him to trump's ticket. although maybe trump will have enough buyers remorse that that will change. blake masters even with peter teal's $15 million lost, and it isn't hard to understand why. blake masters really is the guy who was asked who is the most underrated thinker in america ? it wasn't multiple-choice. who is the most underrated tinker in america ? his answer was the univar unit bomber. he didn't win that senate seat even with peter teal's $15 million. this time he is running for a seat in congress in arizona and the primary is tomorrow. he was the amazing thing, donald trump already has a guy in that race tomorrow.

he has been part of the whole election denial thing in arizona, he refused to recognize the results of his own election when he lost. he is associated deeply with he the whole trump election denialh thing in arizona with the election denial list senate candidate carried lake, who trump met with today. this is the trump guy in the race. but then, there is also in the same race this guy blake masters popping out of peter teal's pocket, running in the same race and primary tomorrow. and he is peter teal's guide. and did i mention that donald trump owes hundreds of millions of dollars right now, and his whole campaign is about doing whatever the last billionaire who spoke to him wants him to do ? no matter the incoherence. part of what is so weird about the campaign right now is whatever the last very rich person said in his ear, he immediately says as if that is

his new policy and always has been. but in the case of peter teal, donald trump does not want to lose this billionaire. he does not want to lose peter teal. he lost him once before. and he has gone out of his way to get peter teal back. to he just put his other repugnant bazaar protigi on his ticket with him. for which he is paying dearly, because jd vance looks like a terrible running mate for donald trump. even after trump did that, peter teal isn't ponying up. he really needs this guy. he already has a trump guy in the race, but peter teal has a guy too. what can he do ? the primary is tomorrow. he has done the funniest possible thing. i am pleased to announce that both blake masters and abe hamadeh have my complete and total endorsement. the courage, he has endorsed

both of these men who are running against each other. to be clear, they both can't win. but one of them is the trump guy already and one of them lives in the pant pocket of a billionaire for who trump will do absolutely anything. and so here, i hereby endorse both. vote for both. may they both win even though they are both running for the same seat. but i said there is a lot going on at the surface level in terms of donors and campaign positions and strategy and the way they are behaving. there is a lot that is weird. but there is one last thing that i think is quite serious. you probably heard this weekend that donald trump told an audience on friday night that if they vote for him this november, if he is voted back into office, they will never have devote again.

he told an audience on friday to "get out and vote this time. after this time, you won't have to do it again. you won't have to vote anymore." he said "in four years, you don't have to vote again. we'll have it fixed so good and you're not going to have to vote." this is not the first time trump has told campaign audiences that they will never have to vote again once they vote him back in. that is as alarming as it sounds for all the reasons thatl you immediately think it is. he is positing this like this is a happy thing. oh joy, never having the burden of voting again. the point of democracy is that we vote all the time. and we like it. that's how we decide what th happens in our country. he is promising his followers he that he will and all of that. and it just is exactly what you think it is. but let me also point out something more strange. which has been happening at the same time. the day before trump made those

remarks on friday, he said you're never going to have to vote again after you vote for me this one time. the day before that on thursday last week, he didn't say that people wouldn't have devote anye more once he was elected. no, the day before that he told his supporters, not that they won't have to vote again, but that they don't have to vote this time. but they don't need to vote for him this november. >> my instruction, we don't need the votes. i have so many votes. >> my instruction, i have so many votes. he said that on thursday last week. and it turns out this is something when you look at them he says this all the time now. watch. >> my instruction, we don't need the votes. i have so many votes. >> we don't need votes. i tell my people, we have all le

the votes we need. i don't need votes. we got more votes than anybody has ever had. you don't have to vote, don't worry about voting. we got plenty of votes. >> don't worry about voting. of all the weirdness around this campaign, this is a truly strange thing to tell people, right ? don't vote, i don't need your vote, i don't want your vote. all the surface level weirdness, it is worth noting. having your single biggest donor be the i have amelia earhart's head in a bag guy, that is weird. having a new position on literally anything as soon as any random rich guy tells you to, that is a weird thing. picking the eccentric billionaires intern for your running mate even though you had no idea who he was, all of this is weird. but telling people do not bother to vote for me, it doesn't matter if you do, i don't need your vote. that is a thing that should up your ears. because what that means is that he doesn't think he needs to win the vote to win the

election. he doesn't think he needs to win the election in order to take power. he thinks something other than votes is going to determine whether or not he gets back in the white house. at rolling stone today, they profiled 70 different election officials have been put in position in the swing states. who are election the nihilists. deniers. officials that have been put in place in all of the swing states to make sure that election results no matter what they are do not get certified in those states this year. "at least 22 of these election officials have already refused or delayed certification in recent years." according to democratic election lawyer mark elias, "i think we are going to see mass refusals to certify the election in november. republicans are counting on not just that they can disrupt the

election in big counties, they are counting on the fact that if they don't certify in several small counties, you cannot certify statewide results." 70 officials in place across just the swing states. for all the surface level weird behavior and language and strange choices and incoherence and our donors in the campaign, the serious court at the heart of it is that they are not planning on the vote being counted as normal. they are not counting on the election results being tallied as normal. they are not counting on the vote. and in fact, trump is repeatedly saying the vote will not matter. he doesn't even want your vote. the republicans are counting on the election results not being certified. thereby creating chaos in washington around the results. just like 2020, just like

january 6, 2021. except this time with no mike pence in the way and officials already in place in multiple states saying yeah, you may not get any sort of official vote. the weirdness of this campaign is astonishing 9090s out. the dislocation from real campaigning, from actually asking people for their votes that means something. it means they are not trying to win it in a normal way. so 1990s out, as democrats stand out what looks like a juggernaut traditional campaign under kamala harris, are they prepared for this level of weirdness after the votes are cast ? are they ready for what's coming ? more ahead. get pre plant-based fiber. with the same amount of fiber as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies the easy way to get your daily fiber.

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>> hey everybody, today i will put in place a trump abortion ban which makes iowa the 22nd state in our country to have a

trump abortion ban. this is going to take effect before many women even know they are pregnant. what this means is that one in three women of reproductive age in america lives in a state with a trump abortion ban. so what we need to do is vote. i'm going to tell you something, when i am president of the united states, i will sign into law the protections for reproductive freedom. so let's get this done. >> that is vice president kamala harris, her message is not subtle. donald trump regularly brags about overturning the constitutional right to abortion, and if you are going to brag about that bed every state abortion ban possible get your name on it. the latest abortion ban in this country went into effect today in iowa. it is after coney and as it gets, it makes abortion illegal after about six weeks, which as the vice president said before, that is before many women even know they are pregnant.

kamala harris has long been the biden administration's most forceful high-profile advocate for abortion rights and she became the first vice president to visit an abortion clinic. polling shows a major increase for abortion rights, ballot initiatives have had a 100% success rate in state after state, even in deep red states. they will be up for a vote in at least six more states. donald trump chose a hard-line advocate for a national abortion ban with no exceptions as a running mate. at the republican national convention, they basically avoided the issue entirely. kamala harris today talks about the trump abortion bans. and saying one in three women of reproductive age lives in a state within abortion ban. she puts an absolute bull's-eye on that issue. it's clear that this is not the

only issue. but having a draconian abortion ban go into effect today, less than 100 days from the election, just puts this more front and center than it ever even was before. joining us now is democratic senator from massachusetts elizabeth warren. great to have you, thank you so much for making the time. >> thank you, good to be with you. >> i haven't talked with you since kamala harris became the nominee. she's got the de facto nominee at this point. let me get your reaction first of what this week has been like. >> it's just amazing. she has pulled our party together. she is ready to go toe to toe with donald trump. and she's going to win on november 5th. you can just feel it out there. people who are signing up, who are coming in and volunteering, who are pitching in 10 bucks, who are talking about it in the grocery store and on the

sidewalks. the energy out there is unbelievable. and people are hopeful. they are hopeful about the kind of mission that we can build and how we can treat each other with basic respect. this issue around abortion has so many layers to it in terms of what it means to people. vice president harris said it right. 30% of all women in the united states live in a state that effectively bans abortion. over 1 million more women were added to that today. and we have really seen over the last two years what that means. i have stood there with women, talked with women who have been told by their doctors that they need an abortion, that they are in the middle of a miscarriage but they are not close enough to death yet to be able to get the help they need.

i've also talked with doctors who say they make judgments now in some states about well, i know what is medically necessary and eventually i will be able to do it but if i give the medically necessary care a little too early, could i be prosecuted criminally ? that is what we have created. but here's the thing, if donald trump and jd vance and up in the white house, it won't be 30% of women will live in states with those bands. it will be 100%. because make no mistake, they are not stopping with the states that have banned abortion. they are coming for everyone. red states, blue states, and they can do it from the national level. so this is one of those moments you just have to keep saying it over and over and over again. we are 99 days out, we have to say every day for the next 98 days, bring the bell.

they want to deny access to abortion. and by the way, that also means access to ivf. they want to do that. not just in part of the country, not in some states, but all over this country. that is their extremist agenda. >> to have the contrast on that issue, roe v. wade overturned, 22 states having banned abortion , to have vice president harris such a champion on this issue against donald trump who just picked jd vance who could not be more extreme on this issue. talk about a stakes spotlight. talk about a very, very clear choice for the country. and one that electorally favors democrats. we have seen abortion ballot measures pass in the reddest states in the country. all of that, for me, makes me worry more acutely about the

way the election is going to be conducted. i have had conversations with you about this in the past, i am very worried that republicans seem to be approaching this as one that they don't need to win, that they don't need to get the votes, they need to get the vote counters. they need to take care of the certification process, they need to take care of the process of the electoral votes being reported. and somehow by doing that, it won't matter how americans vote. given the stakes of this, that is scary in any circumstances. given the stakes of this, it feels like a cliff. how do you feel about that ? >> i look at it this way: everybody has a job to do for the next 9090s. and the job for me and for most of the people who are out there listening to this, is we have to get our votes out. we don't win if we don't get our votes out, if people don't

go to the polls. we have got to get our votes out. we can't discourage people from doing that. we can't say the game is going to be play out somewhere else. we need to vote. and we need to vote in such overwhelming numbers that it is hard to ignore what was done. now, simultaneously, we need people who are fighting them in the courts and that is happening. we need people who are figuring out how to do the rules and ballot challenges and how to keep all of our states votes counted. absolutely critical. but we can't miss the center of this, and the center is we have to get as many people as humanly possible to understand that abortion is on the ballot come november 5th. ivf is on the ballot. and extremist supreme court is on the ballot come november 5th. and of course, best of all, kamala harris is on the ballot

come november 5th. and that we have a senate on the ballot, we have a house on the ballot, we have got to turn out our votes. we do that, we've done our part, i understand your concerns here, rachel. but we have to get focused on turning out the vote. >> i hear you, and it is a smart and clear message. as always. senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts, thank you very much for your time tonight. it's really nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> to her point about the supreme court, we have a great guest and a really important story. that is ahead. stay with us. us

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i am have great respect for our institutions, the separation of power is laid out in the constitution. but what is happening now is not consistent with that doctorate of separation of power. extremism is underlining the public confidence in the decisions. today i am calling for three bold reforms to restore trust and accountability. to the court and democracy. >> three bold reforms. president biden had already said he wants to spend his remaining months in office working on bold reform to the united states supreme court. today, he spelled out what that means. three specific changes. one, fix the damage done to the recent court decision that said

presidents are free to commit crimes without fear of prosecution. he says that should be undone, the only way you can which is with a constitutional amendment. number two, there should be term limits for supreme court justices. they shouldn't serve for life anymore. there should be 18 year terms. that would have the effect of stopping any single president from the bench for a generation. and third, he said we should institute a binding code of conduct so justices will have to report things like the lavish vacations they had been accepting from rich people who have an interest in the cases before the court. but today was president biden's very specific three-part pitch for trying to restore public trust in the supreme court. at least one justice has already said yes, there needs to be part of that and concept. saying there does need to be an enforceable code of ethics.

justices should no longer be allowed to police themselves since clearly that is not working. so there is that to start. writing today, civil rights attorney and legal scholar sherilyn ifill underlined the urgency of this. in just the last three terms alone, this court has upstanding-- appended presidents, fundamentally changing the allocation of power between the branches of government, ending the protections and guarantees upon which tens of millions have come to rely for decades. joining us now is sherilyn ifill. endowed chair of civil rights and one of my favorite people to talk to about anything but especially the supreme court. thank you for being here. >> thank you, rachel. >> you have been an advocate for a long time that the court needs discipline effectively, that the court needs reform, that it has behaved in such a

way in recent years that rightfully call its legitimacy into question to the public in a way that is dangerous given the important role of the court in our society system of government. what do you assess as the potential to meet the moment of these reforms proposed today ? >> it's going to be a very steep climb. obviously, this is not something that can be done by fiat or by executive order. obviously this will not happen with this congress that if the next congress is to take it up, it would likely mean you will have to have a majority of democrats in the house and senate. that is why talking about this election, it's important to not just talk about the president if you want supreme court reform. it is also a heavy lift. it's difficult for me as a litigator to talk about these kind of reforms and the need

for them. but as a civil rights lawyer and someone who believes in democracy, and as someone who understands the power of the court, not only to hold the line and rule of law but also to get us off the track of healthy democracy. the court has done in the past. i think we have to take very seriously what this court is doing comedy track it is on and what it could potentially do the country. >> it is my sense that the effort around the trump vance candidacy and republican party is in part about trying to get them votes but it's in significant part about trying to get the election to be contested in some technical way. so that it ends up in the courts for some reason or another. because, i believe, republicans think as long as it gets into the court it gets ultimately to the supreme court and no matter what is before the supreme

court, they would do whatever is necessary to put trump back in the white house. i say that as a nonlawyer and observer of the political process. can i ask if you share those concerns ? >> if you ask me this a year ago, i might have hesitated. but after the supreme court decision in the section 3 case, in which the court essentially read out of the 14th amendment the provision that says insurrectionist cannot serve by coming up this idea that congress needs to pass legislation to make that provision effective, the decision in the charges brought by the justice department against many of the january 6th rioters. and then of course, the trump immunity case. the presidential immunity case which is absolutely mystifying. unless you believe what the dissenters, the three women appointed by democrats have been trying to tell us.

they have grown ever more strident and strong as they have tried to warn us that this court essentially is behaving as though it is in the tank for trump. it does not matter to me whether they are in the tank, that is how they are behaving. and they are making leaps and bounds. this is the part that is hard i think for nonlawyers to understand. how the court is violating the rules of litigation, the way we bring cases before the court. who we say can bring cases before the court. how those decisions are made, what kind of questions are raised by a piece of litigation. the court is making fast and loose with those rules that govern the polygamy litigate-- how people like me litigate in the court. not just the trump case but the affirmative-action case, that they are running roughshod over the rules that we play by. that is what makes a legal system fair, is if we all have to abide by the same rules.

once you don't have the same rules of the game, you no longer have a legal system of integrity. so i think at this point we have two recognize what is in front of us, we might not want to but we have to. and i am gratified that president biden, this has been a long road for him as well. at least has clearly put this issue before the american people, and vice president harris has endorsed it as well. and we have to grapple with our reticence and discomfort and confront the fact that this also can be a threat to democracy. it is not just donald trump. it is also a court that does not see itself bound by any rules and that appears to have an agenda. >> sherrilyn ifill , endowed civil rights chair at howard university law school. it is hard to hear and strikes me as profoundly true. thank you so much, good to see you. >> thank you, rachel. >> we'll be right back. right bak s ! it's mom to you.

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