okay. we spend a lot of time on the show talking about the threats of a second trump term. we do it because it's important to understand what could be coming in with the stakes are. i know there are times when i can feel dark and really depressing. believe me. we are trudging through the mud of politics together with no end or light insight. i have to say, lately i haven't felt that way at all. not because trump has gone away but because there's this new energy in the air. i feel more excited about politics than i have in a long time. we will spend some time talking about all the reasons to be excited right now with some of the people who are just as excited as i am. we will talk to minnesota governor tim walz is mentioned as a possible running mate for

kamala harris. we will talk to senator brian shots who is a picture of him climbing a coconut tree. we will talk to former obama speech writer john favreau who knows what it's like to be on a campaign writing a wave of momentum. first, it's important to note the excitement isn't just my own personal taker the take of anyone on the show tonight. it's about the response in the country to vice president kamala harris. the last seven days have surprised me a little, not because she isn't a smart, qualified former prosecutor whose candidacy is historic but she's all of those things. her candidacy in the last week have been so unifying and so uplifting at times that it has become a bit of a social media and pulp -- pop culture phenomenon. this resurgence of enthusiasm inside the democratic party and beyond that is very real.

it's also measurable. in poll from abc news found among democrats commedia percent are excited to vote for the candidate. that's up from 62% in february. she has erased the enthusiasm advantage trump won't tell. all the new enthusiasm is also translating into action. in the first week, the campaign managed to raise $200 million and sign up 170,000 volunteers. i've done a lot of these campaigns, those are eye- popping numbers. we have 99 days until the election. over the last seven days, there's been a palpable shift in momentum. very quickly, the harris campaign and the democratic party have embraced this strong, straightforward message. they want to take the country forward and not back. they have couple that with a simple but resonant observation about donald trump and his maga movement in large part due to minnesota governor tim walz. that's the trumpet as maga agenda are weird.

>> i see donald trump talking about the hannibal lector whatever weird thingies on tonight. these are weird people on the other side. that is weird. they come across weird. >> a super weird idea from j.d. vance. >> it's quite weird. >> what it is weird is joking about racism. >> it's not just a weird style he brings. it leads to weird policies. >> it's not weird but scary weird. >> or extreme. >> it is bizarre. it is weird. >> on the other side, they are just weird. >> he and his running mate, some of the things they're saying, it's plain weird. >> trump's maga agenda isn't just dark or dangerous, it's weird. obsessing over other people's reproductive decisions is weird. attacking diversity and inclusion is weird. this is the thing of this moment in time.

democrats aren't just calling out donald trump and j.d. vance in clear terms but making the affirmative case for a different vision. the rollout of the harris campaign has created, where every talented democrat is out there taking their case directly to the american people. visited pennsylvania governor josh shapiro and gretchen whitmer on the campaign trail earlier today. >> vice president kamala harris has dedicated decades of her life to public service. as district attorney, she put crooks and sex offenders behind bars. [ applause ] and it makes me think maybe that's why donald trump is so scared of her. let's be clear. kamala harris has more experience than the trump/13 ticket combined.

between the two of those dudes, the only a 5.5 years and is not public service but self- service. >> in many ways, the selection isn't just about a name on the ballot. it's about all of us. what it is that we are willing to fight for. what it is that we are willing to work for. what kind of future we want to build for our children and our grandchildren. i don't know about you but i want a future that is cleaner and greener. i want a future with better schools and safer streets. i want a future with more freedom and not less. i want a future where i can look the 47th president of the united states in the eye and say, hello, madam president. i hope you are with me. let this get to work. thank you. >> i mean, i almost wish there

were weeks left because we would see more members of the deep and talented democratic party but themselves out there. there is no question, it's been a jarring and unprecedented a few weeks in american politics. despite all that turbulence, we are in a different political landscape than we were even just one week ago. it has become more inspiring, more forward-looking, more hopeful. it's downright joyful. make no mistake, this race will still be difficult and close. prepare for that. if the last week is shown anything, it's that democratic party can be creative and direct and funny and actually politics does not have to be a race to the bottom. it can be joyful. joining his minnesota governor tim walz. governor, it's great to see you. thank you for taking the time tonight. >> great to see you. you warm my soul with those words. it's exciting. it is exciting. >> it should be exciting.

i have so much i want to ask, but first, you are being considered for the vp slot and you won't get into the process, so don't worry. we are pretty popular choice out there. you have been on the rise over the last week. how does that feel? >> well, it's always an honor but look at that dream team of gretchen and josh. look at the enthusiasm out there. it's coming from people. people are looking for something different. 20 years of teaching school, will say it, feels like the first day of school. everything is possible. the rooms are clean and the kids are coming in to close. it's the politics of joy, the politics of possible. there's a cloud over us, this dystopian nonsense they put out, the recycled rallies he does. nobody wants that. nobody wants it so i'm excited to be out there. i'm excited to see how many new

people. my kids are engaged again, and that's they litmus test that vice president harris has led something we needed. it's a new day. everything is possible. >> part of the reason why so many people love you is because you made weird happen and everybody is echoing they are weird. you stuck this label on trump and j.d. vance. it has taken off and the campaign is using it, surrogates are using it. one of the things that's happened that is a little weird is j.d. vance appears to have noticed, and i want to play this clip you posted with a caption reading, j.d. vance is weirdend quotes. let's play it. >> i'm not sure watching that if he gets what he is doing there. what did you make of that?

>> this observation of weird came from people i know. my friends, my relatives, republicans, some of them. it's our core. they are awkward and it stems from who was asking for this crazy stuff? who was asking to raise the price of insulin? who is asking to get rid of birth control? they do these focus groups, who is sitting in wisconsin saying, we need to ban animal farm. nobody is. they are talking about real things so when they get in situations in front of real people and try to pretend they know what people are going through, they've got nothing to offer. no one can picture them in their own lives. i brought this up that donald trump tries to mock vice president harris for laughing. you never see this guy laugh. you never see him doing normal things. when i go home i pick up the frisbee in my dog catches it it comes over and gets a belly rub.

picture these guys doing that. what it allows us to do was we hear where you're coming from. i made the pitch that i watched the rally in st. cloud relight about the election and lied about everything. the thing i thought was joyful is, kamala harris will be there to provide reproductive health care to those women who were standing behind him. he will make sure socialistic dirty is there for the seniors as he talked about nonsense. be there to make sure workers can unionize to get a good job. that's up politics whether they vote for us or not is irrelevant. taking the country forward with a positive message ethics at work, that's what people are inspired about. they've got nothing. what are they going to tell us about? they are not talking in the legion clubs about banning books. they wonder why project 2025 cuts va benefits. why would they do that? why is trump doing the? you never hear him talk about it so it's a golden opportunity. they are weird and they prove

it every day. you can picture them doing these things, but it opens it up for good people who want to know what the democrats stand for. what can you do for us? that's what the vice president has brought to the race. >> it's what elections are supposed to be about. you said something else that i've been thinking about. we give trump way too much credit and democrat should ratchet down the scariness. you said we are not afraid of weird. people. we are not afraid. i want you to expand on that a little. there are some scary things that trump is planning to do. i'm not suggesting you're trying to back away, but tell me more about what you mean by that? >> he is terrifying and he will strip reproductive rights and weaponize a federal government. he is going to take power and put the world at risk by pulling out of alliances. i argue climate change and homelessness, if it's a big thing that becomes too scary, people don't know what they can personally do about it.

it gives him a power he does not deserve. this guy has done nothing and accomplished nothing. he's never served in the military or been successful at business. he comes out and says, i will send the national guard. we knew that wasn't true. we watched george floyd die on the streets and he's tweeting from his bunker to shoot people. that's not leadership. that doesn't solve anything. you take that away from him by stating the obvious and people are doing that. you would not hang around this guy. it's too weird but we have back to it. we can lead the world in renewable energy and create new jobs. young people i like what are you old folks going to do? will you live is something we can work with what? that's what i'm glad they're lifting us up. we need to hand it off to them and give them something to do. something worth it. this guy, his spoke. he is worried about this. now they are mean to us.

these democrats are mean because the calling is weird. i think hillary clinton said stop being weird. that is the point. come up with good ideas. >> stop being weird. throw the frisbee with your talk. we have to sneak in a quick break. i have more questions. governor, i hope you don't mind sticking around.

we are back with minnesota governor tim walz. you mentioned you are a legion guy. for people getting to know you, you have an interesting background. you enlisted in the army national guard when you were a teenager and serve more than two decades and you been deployed overseas. you were a social studies teacher. and a football coach before running for congress. eventually governor. i want to ask you. people watching in the military or who have served, how is your military background impacted how you have approached public service?

>> for me, the first time i rode on a plane, flew from omaha to fort benning, georgia and got off there. to be honest, came from a town that had no diversity. it was a first time i was around people of color. the military is a place where we work together as a team, and where marriage roses people up in the ranks. you learn to work as a team and selfless service. the military gave more to me than i gave back to them. it's the sense of being part of something bigger. i'm an advocate for universal public service. the military is not for everybody. there's numerous ways to serve. i would love a civilian peace corps. people want to be a part of that. we don't need 2% in the military and that's the connection. for me and my dad was korean war veteran, it's what we did. i like the idea that you could go into schools and help kids reader work in yellowstone park and do trails and stuff. then we give you a civilian

g.i. bill. that brings us back together. in the military, no one cared. no one knew my politics. the politics was to serve the country. i think there's many positives and people listening, thank you know this. the military is a diverse society and supposed to be. it's not all conservative or liberal. it's a bunch of folks but that's of the country works. we have a common mission and listen to the leadership. it's another thing that trump knows nothing about whether insulting veterans or cutting the benefits. that's an important part of who we are. i am proud to have done it. >> cutting veterans benefits, you've done a lot of work on a. we know how donald trump feels about the military and he wants to use it to target political enemies, or it's something he has alluded to.

what would you say to voters to help them understand how dangerous it would be to have him in the role of commander-in- chief. its service and is supposed to be politicized. serving the united states of america. >> it is huge. the insurrection act of 1804, we are a country that doesn't use the military on the streets against civilians. it was rescinded during hurricane katrina and a republican congressman from virginia and myself restore that because the idea of the executive having control of that, and to be clear, this was a concern across in george floyd in minneapolis and many other cities that donald trump would violate the insurrection act and use federal troops to suppress that. this is something to pay attention to. i served as a council of governors which are pointed. trump appointed me and reappointed by joe biden. it is 10 of us, five republicans and five democrats the governor's make sure that civilian leadership is what is

in charge. the national guard's are used by our states and if they are federalized, then they go under the president's authority. that's a line that cannot be crossed. of using the military to police civilians. the project, 2025, gets rid of the insurrection act or moves in that direction. understanding that the military reflects society and serves us, trump tries to divide us and these are debt the militaries of hers to integrate. one of the places where you respite merit. there is pride and they try to take this. take it and may get there's. democrats need to take back the flag and make the case weser patriotically and we love this country. that means respecting the constitution. i think this is changing. i see veterans out there. people making the case that what donald trump is doing is the antithesis of what we served for.

>> it's an important point. important for people to hear it from people who have served. you have a 23-year-old daughter and you did a fun video and you have a 17-year-old son. what do they make of this newfound attention you are getting? are they making fun of you? are they proud of you? is it a combination? >> they are the most wonderful kids. they are tight with me. we have to crackdown on the social media because everybody is looking. i am infringing on a sacred right of them. they are great. they are honored to do it. i am proud to have them. i'm glad to be around them. their enthusiasm is contagious. they are coming-of-age, my son will be able to vote for the first time. he is paying attention. it's not the ugly things we have seen for eight years. i will give a shout out to vice president harris who has become a cultural and a star. she is what we needed. she's antidote to what was ailing us.

we needed her and she's working hard. imagine when we wake up with president kamala harris. i heard her husband say, donald trump will be able to pronounce that better. just madam president. >> governor tim walz, always a pleasure. thank you for taking the time. coming up, former obama speaker jon favreau joins me to talk about democrats positioning themselves as a part of real freedom. donald trump weighed in on the messes running mate has made.

you've probably heard and we talked about it, that j.d. vance has a problem with women, especially women who don't have children. recently uncovered remarks, he disparage them as, quote, childless cat ladies with no stake in the future the country. he said they should have equal voting rights. last week we saw him blow his first crack at cleanup when he decided to apologize to cats instead of apologizing to women. it is true. everybody knows a woman's choice about motherhood is none of his business. people without kids have a stake in the country too. it's such an obvious thing. it doesn't matter if you're republican or democrat or not political at all. that is what fox news told vance before he introduced him last night.

spent some of the finest people i know don't have children. teachers, guidance counselors and lawyers and doctors. they love other people's children enough to teach and guide and protect and minister to them. some people choose not to have children. others desperately want them but they cannot. i've heard from many women, most of whom are conservative, and they would very much like to vote for trump and you, but senator, they're disappointed. >> i mean, with that introduction, he wasn't just challenging vance's weird ideas by giving him an opportunity to clean up the mess he made. in response, vance insisted he didn't really say what we all heard him say. instead, he accused democrats of blowing his words out of proportion. >> do you agree that their people are very much love this country and are invested in its future, but they also happen to

be childless? >> of course i believe that. if you look at the full context of what i said, is clear the democrats have tried to take this out of context and blow it out of proportion which is what they always do. >> for the record, no one made him say childless cat ladies. joining me as democratic senator of hawaii. trey gaudi gave him my generous teeth up and he seemed to tomal down. what did you make of his comments? >> he is in a right-wing bubble and operates like a right-wing podcaster where no one pushes back. being cruel, making fun of people like a 19-year-old in a fraternity, is the whole vibe. that's not a good way to get votes. this whole idea that has popped up organically over the last week, that the other side is weird is not a personal attack. it's not a schoolyard barb.

it's an observation of their behavior. no one runs around seeing your childless cat lady. no one thinks to judge someone else's choices or lack of a choice in terms of starting a family. he is off to a rough start but you make a key point. he got the opportunity to clean it up and decided not to. that's when you live in a right- wing bubble. >> or you believe what you say. trump was asked to defend picking vance. i want to play what he said and get your thoughts. >> what can you say to viewers tonight to reassure them that this was an excellent pick? >> first of all, he has tremendous support and he does among a certain group of people, people who like families. he made a statement having to do with families. it doesn't mean the people who are not a member of a big and beautiful family with 400 children around and everything else. it doesn't mean a person, he's not against anything, but he loves family.

>> that's very awkward and i almost felt for him for a second. what did you make of trump's answer. >> there is a saying in politics, when you are explaining, you are losing. the vice presidential nomination for the presidential nominee in a position where they have to explain away the things they have said. this is the problem. they really believe in their hearts to help one group to have to harm another group. in order to help people with children, have to harm people without children. to help white people to harm people of color. to help men you have to harm women. tim walz said it right and kamala harris represents a different point of view which is we reject the premise that in order for someone to rise, someone has to be punished. that's the governing philosophy of the previous trump administration and its the trump/vance ticket. let's figure out who we can punish.

>> which is a weird thing. how people think. no matter their political backgrounds. that's why think this weird think is resonating. why do you think it is. >> because it is sticking. democrats have a way of over explaining and sounding a little shrill. it's cruel. it's grotesque. it's an american. it's a danger to democracy, and the better response because it encapsulates that but in a way that doesn't sound so freaked out and so obsessed with politics is why are you so freaked out about what people want to do with their lives? why don't you leave people alone in the exam room with them and their doctor. leave people alone in the school classroom, in the library, in the bedroom. leave people alone so their freedoms and stop being weird about other people's choices. >> it's a funny i ran a. it's been the republican messaging that democrats are too engaged in your life and now it's a reverse. the president had an op-ed in

the washington post and announce proposals for supreme court, progressive supreme court reforms including term limits. what did you think of those? help people understand what the path forward is? it's not easy but it's significant. >> the supreme court is truly out of control. the last couple of terms have been more than alarming. eliminating the right to choose for women across the country, the chevron decision and numerous other things. the immunity decision. it demonstrates these people think they operate outside of the realm of political power. every -- all three branches are supposed to struggle against each other for power but the supreme court in particular is they are exempt from any. they are in charge of all of us. the judiciary may be subject, generally speaking, to ethics exposure and expectation that you don't take money a

consideration from someone that's arguing before the court. the supreme court and the supreme court only has decided to exempt itself. the idea that we would cause them to have two, after 18 years not be a supreme court justice any longer, and disclose what kinds of gifts they may or may not be receiving like every other federal employee, like most members of the legislature, state government, this is something only those nine people don't have to do. president biden and kamala harris are tapping into a basic instinct which is decisions are one thing and they been horrific but this idea i think it operate outside the bounds of normal expectations of the law doesn't work anymore. >> sounds very rational. i will talk all about it after a quick break. senator, thank you for joining me. we will pick up where the senator just left up. president biden is at the

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nearly 30 years ago, joe biden was chairman of the senate judiciary committee and served in that role for eight years from 1987 until 1995 and for another eight years as ranking minority member. in that time, he oversaw 10 confirmation hearings of

supreme court justices including the highly contentious ones of robert bork and clarence thomas. if you had told the senator joe biden of that era that one day he would be embracing term limits for supreme court justices as president, and the actions of the republican nominee for president in 2024 would prompt the need for a constitutional amendment ensuring future presidents are not above the law? he might not have believed you but that's what he did today. spent calling for a constitutional amendment called no one is above the law amendment. the second thing i'm asking for. we've had term limits for presidents of the united states for nearly 75 years. after the truman administration. i believe we should have term limits of supreme court justices of the united states as well. third, i am calling for binding code of conduct for the supreme court.

>> president biden laid out his proposal in greater detail in the washington post ready, quote, we can and must prevent the abuse of presidential power. we can and must restore the. -- republics face in the supreme court and strengthen the guardrails of democracy. in america, no one is above the law. in america, the people rule. vice president kamala harris endorsed the plan. and a statement she said in part, president biden and i strongly believe that the american people must have confidence in the supreme court. the fact that the president is choosing to put so much emphasis on these reforms in the final of his lengthy and amazing political career says a lot about how he sees the crisis of confidence in the supreme court. there's a lot to be concerned about. the nearly four years since trubisky successfully installed a super majority, the supreme

court is made a litany of dangerous and destructive rulings. district of affirmative action in higher education and rejected a ban on bump stocks which makes semi automatic weapons fire bullets faster. the end of the constitutional right to an abortion enrolled donald trump can claim immunity from prosecution for official acts as president. not to mention the ethics scandals that have wracked the court including thomas's beneficial relationship with a billionaire republican mega donor harlan crow. as joe biden recently warned, if trump wins reelection, he could get to name two more justices to be head of this hyper corrupt court. republicans have been able to turn the court into a political issue for a long time but the question now is if democrats can do the same? former obama speechwriter and the host of pod save america jon favreau is standing by and he joins the next. next.

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the quest for freedom is stronger than steel, or permanent than concrete. >> they knew the difference between freedom and tyranny, and they stood up for the one and the other. >> we know what works. freedom works. we know what is right. freedom is right. >> freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. >> it may be hard to remember but there was a time when

republicans thought they had a monopoly on the word freedom. now, as the maga version of the party rifles through libraries to find books i can ban and rip abortion rights away from american women as they did today in iowa, democrats have an opening to make the case that actually they are the party of freedom. was and how pennsylvania governor josh shapiro talked about trump and freedom earlier today. >> while he is hugging the flag him you know what he's doing? he is ripping away our freedoms. that's what he is all about. here is what i know. it's not freedom to tell our children what books they are allowed to read. that's not freedom. is not freedom to tell people they can go to work but they can't join a union. that's not freedom. it is not freedom to tell women what they are allowed to do

with their bodies, that's not freedom. spent jon favreau served as a speechwriter to president obama and is a cohost on the pod save america podcast as well as co- author "the new york times" number 1 best-selling book, democracy arrows, how to save america in 10 easy steps. no time like the present to read that. thank you for joining me. that's -- >> thank you for having me. >> i thought that was a good roof by the governor. pete buttigieg did have a similar one. i want to get your take on schapiro's roof and democrats efforts to seize freedom back is a term they are using in their messaging. >> well, you remember, you and i were the 2004 convention with our old boss barack obama who

was then not our boss became that famous speech at the convention. the reason people remember that speech which was now 20 years ago, he tried to reclaim patriotism. he reclaimed patriotism by letting people know that the values embedded in our founding documents that we are all created equal, that we all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. that when we haven't lived up to those ideals in the past, men and women in the country have fought and bled so that we actually could, so we could make things better. every time that happened, we broadened the american story, the american family, to include more people and divide more freedom for people. i do think that what josh shapiro and kamala harris and a lot of democrats right now are doing is try to reclaim that patriotism from donald trump and his party because there patriotism is airbrushed

patriotism. and donald trump as josh shapiro pointed out, lights to talk down america. making that context is important, especially since trump and the republicans have embraced ideas that are so outside the mainstream and so extreme. >> no question about it. it was interesting watching the republican groups from a long time ago. it seemed a little robotic. the democratic convention feels like it's far away but it's not that far away. the country has seen the vice president's stump speech, her attack lines. it's been well received and she has a lot of good lines. you've written a lot of convention speeches and their different from a stump speech. she's working on that now, no question. how is it different i would do you think a few of them, you should think about trying to land in that? >> i also think kamala harris's speech will be even more different than the usual

convention speech because no major party nominee has ever reintroduced themselves to a national audience with their convention speech. usually you do that with your announcement speech. plenty of time. she has to do a couple of things in the speech which i imagine they will do. she wants to reintroduce herself and talk about her bio and what she has done. define herself on her terms. talk about what her agenda is going to be. to the extent that is different than the biden administration's or similar. people want to know what she's going to do. she also probably wants to embrace that since of patriotism. republicans and trump will try to paint her as other. she's not like us. it's us versus them. they've done that for every democrat in the last several years. because people don't know kamala harris as well as joe biden, she will want to define herself as someone who loves this country, given every chance by this country, who's

worked hard and make sure everyone else has that chance too and everyone has the right to freedom it was in the founding documents. she has a lot to do in the speech, but i think what they will do will end up being the stump speech she uses from the convention through to election day. >> that's an interesting point. the other piece it's different about the convention, she is being reintroduced, that's part of what the convention is. she's being introduced uniquely because she's only been the front runner for a week. there's all these other former presidents, prominent governors, these people who will give speeches. how does that work? i ask because we love to talk about what's happening behind the scenes and these people are working on their speech and they've had to readjust them since the politics of the campaign changed one week ago. >> yeah, each speaker, especially the prime time speakers, will want to credential kamala harris.

talk how they know her and what they know about her and what they know about our values and what she's done and what she will do. i also have to make the case about why donald trump and j.d. vance would be so bad for four more years. there's a lot more to get done at this convention then there would've been if biden was a nominee because biden would've focus solely on the choice between what he's proposing and what trump is proposing and then this convention have to introduce a new nominee and new policies and you to make sure the choice between trump and harris is as clear as possible and it means something to people's lives. a trump would affect their lives and how harris will affect their lives. >> you may not have one person. do you have a vice presidential running mate choice? >> i don't have a choice. i think josh shapiro would be fantastic. mark kelly would be fantastic are tim walz.

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okay. is is a proclaimed olympic superfan, even love the music, i have been consuming a ton of content from this year's games in paris. it's hard to describe how much joy the olympics brings me. every aspect. every four years there are stories out of the games that are bigger than sports. before we go, wanted to share one story that left me feeling all the feels. sunday, 21-year-old swimmer tori pulled off a bit of a surprise win in the women's 100 meter bus -- butterfly winning her first gold medal for team usa. she barely edged her teammate gretchen walsh, the world record holder in the event at the wall by 4/100 of a second. and now that win came three years after she missed out a meddling in the tokyo olympics by 100th of a second. a moment, she says, was

devastating. rather than letting that defeat her, she used it as motivation to get better. she worked harder. to see the look on her face her shock and joy and elation as she stared at the results board, it was one of those extraordinary olympic moments that gives you chills. when it came time to get their medals, huske invited her teammate to stand beside her atop the podium. smiles on their faces and a beautiful moment of camaraderie from the first year two american's to win since 1984. that's not just a story of winning a medal at 21 but a start picking yourself up after disappointment and lifting others up with you. that does it for me tonight. rachel maddow show starts right now. now.

whatever strings are able to be pulled, they will be pulled. we will get it done. >> next time. . and thanks to you at home for joining us. it's really good to have you here. so are you ready for a weird one? r this is a truly weird one, and i did not come up with this. this is not a rachel maddow special. this is reported in black and white in full detail in "the new york times."." i am only the messenger.th all right. 1937. amelia earhart, pilot, first woman to fly solo across the atlantic ocean.